Jeff Hendrick

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:28 pm

Much better today. Especially when he went deeper. Thought he was strong and ahowed some nice touches and skill. Carried it well.
Much rather him than Stephens. Was he playing today?

bartonscigar · Post by **bartonscigar** » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:33 pm

he was shite constantly randomly smashing the ball into the air

Iloveyoubrady · Post by **Iloveyoubrady** » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:36 pm

Hendrick is a very good, allround box to box CM. he is not a CAM.

bartonscigar · Post by **bartonscigar** » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:39 pm

agreed needs moving from that position id even consider putting him on the left and scotty where he is

bob-the-scutter · Post by **bob-the-scutter** » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:45 pm

bartonscigar wrote:he was shite constantly randomly smashing the ball into the air

You need to retune your radio!

diamondpocket · Post by **diamondpocket** » Sat Dec 16, 2017 6:20 pm

he has some nice touches and movements but seems too inconsistent to be a regular there and is still learning the role. With the Brady injury it is crucial we fill this role with someone better for the 2nd half of the season; if we do that, I think we can maintain our top 6 dream

bartonscigar · Post by **bartonscigar** » Sat Dec 16, 2017 6:25 pm

bob-the-scutter wrote:You need to retune your radio!

i dont i watched the game

MDWat · Post by **MDWat** » Sat Dec 16, 2017 6:26 pm

bartonscigar wrote:he was shite constantly randomly smashing the ball into the air

He did that twice. So did Defour. And both centre halves. He was good today.

KefkaClaret · Post by **KefkaClaret** » Sat Dec 16, 2017 6:34 pm

Feel a bit bad for Hendrick, it's clearly not his position but Dyche can't drop Defour or Cork.

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Sat Dec 16, 2017 6:43 pm

Once we went 442 he was good. Just gets lost in attacking midfield. We need a proper player to play there if we want to play that system.

whiffa · Post by **whiffa** » Sat Dec 16, 2017 6:51 pm

Thought Hendrick had a very bad game today - improved when he dropped back into midfield.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 11:37 am

Spurs will be a big test and i think he will step up.

bob-the-scutter · Post by **bob-the-scutter** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 4:57 pm

bartonscigar wrote:i dont i watched the game

Well you should complain that your seat was facing the wrong way!

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 9:54 pm

Just been reading the ratings thread. I watched on TV so I bow to the opinions of my fellow Clarets who attended the game.

However, I thought Jeff Hendrick had a pretty decent game today. He certainly seemed far more involved. I don't think he's the right man for that role but the manager does and only his opinion counts.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 9:57 pm

ecc wrote:Just been reading the ratings thread. I watched on TV so I bow to the opinions of my fellow Clarets who attended the game.

However, I thought Jeff Hendrick had a pretty decent game today. He certainly seemed far more involved. I don't think he's the right man for that role but the manager does and only his opinion counts.

We simply need better in the attacking midfield role.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 10:05 pm

I don't think it's all about the one game. Generally I feel for him because I do think he's a very good player, but not ideally suited to the role of second striker or "No 10" as they seem to say these days. He's a midfielder and he's playing out of his comfort zone which overall isn't doing him many favours, especially in the home games where he's expected to get further up the pitch.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 10:09 pm

It isn't his position but there's not been a game for a long time where you come off thinking he was MOM.

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 10:12 pm

To me Hendrick, good a player as he is, is clearly third choice in a defensive midfield two playing out of position. The minute we buy a proper number 10, who is more creative and carries more of a goal threat that is when Hendrick will move to the bench and be the go to replacement for either Cork or Defour.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 10:13 pm

Defour could easily be a class number 10 but I'd prefer him having more of the ball in a deeper role and spending as much time on the ball as possible. Is there anybody else who can play the support man role other than Hendrick? Not really. It's hopefully a role that Dyche will look to sort this season, along with a wide man. 3 new players (another CB) in January could complete us.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 10:14 pm

Jau Rodriguez would be a better bet!

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 10:23 pm

TBH there are times when I think Barnes would make a much better job of playing "No 10" behind Wood up front. He's far more a natural at it. BUT I think SD is "accommodating" Hendrick to some extent, bearing in mind he cost rather a lot of money. I do disagree with Quicktempo above as I believe his position IS the issue, but on the other hand totally agree he's been nowhere near MOM for ages.

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 10:28 pm

I know it has been said before that he wouldn't come back / be welcomed back by some, but I really think Danny Ings on loan would be a perfect option to play that number 10 role.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 10:34 pm

Goobs wrote:I know it has been said before that he wouldn't come back / be welcomed back by some, but I really think Danny Ings on loan would be a perfect option to play that number 10 role.

Where would that leave Jeff in terms of pecking order? He'd be benched at best and waiting for an injury/suspension or 2 in order to get a kick (in midfield).

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 10:37 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:Where would that leave Jeff in terms of pecking order? He'd be benched at best and waiting for an injury/suspension or 2 in order to get a kick (in midfield).

But it doesn't matter who you are - if there are better players than you and other variables favour another player, you drop back in the pecking order. Every player has the potential to drop back and be bettered by somebody else. That's how a football team moves forward.

It could leave Hendrick on the bench - if that was the case, sobeit. It would mean we're strengthening. It's a good thing.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 10:57 pm

FactualFrank wrote:But it doesn't matter who you are - if there are better players than you and other variables favour another player, you drop back in the pecking order. Every player has the potential to drop back and be bettered by somebody else. That's how a football team moves forward.

It could leave Hendrick on the bench - if that was the case, sobeit. It would mean we're strengthening. It's a good thing.

I totally agree, but in Jeff's case it would be a bit harsh because he was bought to play in midfield, he's regularly playing out of position and not having the best of games and then gets benched in favour of someone who can play that position better. He might (justifiably) feel he should be judged when playing in his "proper" position. (Maybe?)

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 11:02 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:I totally agree, but in Jeff's case it would be a bit harsh because he was bought to play in midfield, he's regularly playing out of position and not having the best of games and then gets benched in favour of someone who can play that position better. He might (justifiably) feel he should be judged when playing in his "proper" position. (Maybe?)

It might be harsh, but that's football. You can't be guaranteed a place in the team when you sign for a club. It doesn't work like that.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 11:06 pm

Thought he had a very good game today and was once again key to the game plan - both with his pressing, but also with his athleticism to convert a midfield 3 into something approaching a front 2 really quickly. He's not playing as a number 10, he's playing in a rangy role as the most advanced of a midfield 3, and our best possession play is still characterised by him rotating positions with Cork and Defour. At times at the minute we get a bit short of an out ball and Hendrick ends up stuck with his back to goal fielding clearances, which doesn't suit him, but when we're better able to play the game through midfield (as we were today), Hendrick gives us plenty in possession.

If we can get more pace out wide to help emphasise that its a 4-2-3-1 set up rather than 4-4-1-1, then I think we'll get even more out of Jeff, but for me he's doing just fine. We should always be looking to add competition and improve the team and so Hendrick certainly shouldn't be untouchable, but I'd be surprised if Dyche saw a "number 10" as a priority - its not really the way he's ever set Burnley up (even Ings was a good athlete and as valuable in the Premier League for what he gave us in pressing out of possession, as he was for his technical ability) and I'd be amazed if that changed.

My big worry with Hendrick is whether he'll ever be able to win the Burnley fans over now. Of course he can improve (he does sometimes appear a bit soft in the challenge, although I suspect that's partly Dyche's instruction for him to shadow rather than give away fouls in that position he takes up defensively), but he's doing just fine, and even when he has a decent game like today, there appears to be precious little appreciation of the good things he's doing or the way in which he's effecting the game as Dyche wants him to. He's been ever present when fit this season and went straight back into the team when he recovered despite his replacement being man of the match and goalscorer in consecutive games (compare to Lowton recently, for example) which suggests that the manager is perfectly happy with his contribution.

Rarosdiablo · Post by **Rarosdiablo** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 11:31 pm

claretspice wrote:Thought he had a very good game today and was once again key to the game plan - both with his pressing, but also with his athleticism to convert a midfield 3 into something approaching a front 2 really quickly. He's not playing as a number 10, he's playing in a rangy role as the most advanced of a midfield 3, and our best possession play is still characterised by him rotating positions with Cork and Defour. At times at the minute we get a bit short of an out ball and Hendrick ends up stuck with his back to goal fielding clearances, which doesn't suit him, but when we're better able to play the game through midfield (as we were today), Hendrick gives us plenty in possession.

If we can get more pace out wide to help emphasise that its a 4-2-3-1 set up rather than 4-4-1-1, then I think we'll get even more out of Jeff, but for me he's doing just fine. We should always be looking to add competition and improve the team and so Hendrick certainly shouldn't be untouchable, but I'd be surprised if Dyche saw a "number 10" as a priority - its not really the way he's ever set Burnley up (even Ings was a good athlete and as valuable in the Premier League for what he gave us in pressing out of possession, as he was for his technical ability) and I'd be amazed if that changed.

My big worry with Hendrick is whether he'll ever be able to win the Burnley fans over now. Of course he can improve (he does sometimes appear a bit soft in the challenge, although I suspect that's partly Dyche's instruction for him to shadow rather than give away fouls in that position he takes up defensively), but he's doing just fine, and even when he has a decent game like today, there appears to be precious little appreciation of the good things he's doing or the way in which he's effecting the game as Dyche wants him to. He's been ever present when fit this season and went straight back into the team when he recovered despite his replacement being man of the match and goalscorer in consecutive games (compare to Lowton recently, for example) which suggests that the manager is perfectly happy with his contribution.

Have to say I agree that he looked better today and also that he plays as a box to box midfielder rather than a number 10. His job is to be the 3rd midfielder when under attack then to support the lone striker when attacking. When Brady was fit he looked much better because the creativity was coming from both flanks rather than through the centre.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 11:32 pm

Why does Sean dyche Bother?were getting results right left and centre with a depleted squad and the selections are questioned every f...ing game if it isn't Barnes its Long today it's Hendrick and once Again shouts for the returns of Ings and Rodriguez. WTF? We are 7th and well clear of anyone else with the Lads we have.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 11:34 pm

I don't think he has to win the fans over, nobody appears to be slating him, just pointing out that the role he is playing isn't suited to his natural game.
His work ethic is great, but he is slow off the mark, gets hassled into playing poor passes and is relatively ineffective playing off a target man. Not his fault, but that's the way it is.
This window is an ideal time to try and bring in someone who can play that role. Nakhi might be fine if he gets a longer run at the role, or Danny Ings on loan, but we do need to find someone.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 9:39 am

Had one of bis best gmes of the season yesterday. Had some quick feet. Should have had a penalty or goal. Also had the offside goal dunno how close that was? Maybe hatfield claret caught on camera.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 9:47 am

Colburn_Claret wrote:I don't think he has to win the fans over, nobody appears to be slating him, just pointing out that the role he is playing isn't suited to his natural game.
His work ethic is great, but he is slow off the mark, gets hassled into playing poor passes and is relatively ineffective playing off a target man. Not his fault, but that's the way it is.
This window is an ideal time to try and bring in someone who can play that role. Nakhi might be fine if he gets a longer run at the role, or Danny Ings on loan, but we do need to find someone.

But I think this is the point. So far as i can see, his role isn't to play off a target man. It's to play as a third central midfielder with instruction to support the lone striker when possible, and to lead the press from midfield. So comparing him to what Wells in particular might do is odd.

In effect, I think Hendricks role is to give Dyche an extra man in midfield when we are looking to keep the ball, and an extra man in support of the striker when we're pressing the opposition high, and to be the first man in support of the striker when we go long from the back. The less we go long, the less it will look like a 442. But I think it's a crucial role in our set up, helping us bridge 451, 442 and 433, and the fact we're 7th in the league and doing so well means that whilst we should always be be willing to improve the squad, we certainly don't "need" to upgrade.

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 9:49 am

I thought he did well in his defensive duties and poor in his attacking duties.

That’s not limited to just him, I thought as a whole we defended and pressed well but didn’t create enough.

I don’t dislike Hendrick, he runs a lot and covers well defensively. However, when it comes to attacking I don’t think he offers much. I think we could find better in Jan or the summer.

Iloveyoubrady · Post by **Iloveyoubrady** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:36 am

I don't understand why we can't play with 3 centre mids. Hendrick box to box. Cork sitting - defensive work. Defour roaming and passing around like he does at the moment. I feel these 3 would be excellent together if they are all on top of their game in these positions. However, we will never see the best of Hendrick in this current position. It's a shame as he's a player with a lot of potential.

Nahki is and will not ever be a CAM. He plays upfront, and can do a job on the flanks of a front 3. I think we sam yesterday that he could be very effective with Vokes winning headers as he showed great positioning to almost score in just a 10 minute substitute appearance. If we are able to move to 433- I think we could accommodate Nahki as well as playing Hendrick in his preferred position.
Something like this in attack.

Pope
Bardsley Mee Long Taylor
Hendrick cork Defour
Wells wood Gudmundsson

And in defence;

Hendrick cork Defour Gudmundsson
Wells wood/Vokes

I feel this would give us a better option than arfield wide left.
I think Vokes could work better with Wells than Wood because he is better and winning Long headers.

Obviously this is my opinion - we should probably just let the manager do what he is currently doing.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:40 am

I like Hendrick,he would be one of the first names on my team sheet every week.....its not broke.....nothing to fix.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:02 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Had one of bis best gmes of the season yesterday. Had some quick feet. Should have had a penalty or goal. Also had the offside goal dunno how close that was? Maybe hatfield claret caught on camera.

The offside goal is a strange one and the assistant is totally inept. When the ball comes in we have three players offside, including Kevin Long who heads the ball towards goal. Hendrick put in the rebound and it seems that's when the flag went up (he is offside) but it really should have gone up as soon as Long went for the ball. It's certainly not close at all.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:05 am

ClaretTony wrote:The offside goal is a strange one and the assistant is totally inept. When the ball comes in we have three players offside, including Kevin Long who heads the ball towards goal. Hendrick put in the rebound and it seems that's when the flag went up (he is offside) but it really should have gone up as soon as Long went for the ball. It's certainly not close at all.

I wish they would revert to the old offside rule, the new one is nonsense and making officials jobs even harder than before.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:41 am

boatshed bill wrote:I wish they would revert to the old offside rule, the new one is nonsense and making officials jobs even harder than before.

This one was very easy whichever rule you use. The free kick came over and we had three players offside and one of them, Long, headed it.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:45 am

Long was offside but totally blind to the lino, on the far side, because of all the other offside Clarets hiding him.

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