Transfer window- How much should we spend?

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:43 pm

ablueclaret wrote:I'd love the development squad to work but so far it just appears to halt players progress, so buying in young talent appears the only real option.
A few years ago I highlighted the dilemma facing the club and posed the idea that perhaps we should abandon youth sides and just recruit young players from other clubs, ideally into a reserve side.
I think our thinking on young players has been muddled and we really haven't got the mechanisms right, but we have been more successful bringing on other sides young players than our own.

Have to agree with that. The only difference is we are sat with the top teams in the world at the moment. We are 6th in the premier league so realistically we are one of the top 25 teams in the world. Bedding in any youngster is difficult. It worked with Mee and Keane but a totally inferior level

gtclaret · Post by **gtclaret** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:54 pm

Many are saying a 4th choice CB. Why 4th choice, why not a player who can challenge Mee and Tarky. Look the irreplaceable Heaton was replaced by Pope, who now looks irreplaceable. Same with Keane and Tarky. Barnes was signed to cover Vokes and Ings, not bad cover eh.
We now have the money to sign quality cover to mount a serious challenge should Mee or Tarky miss a game and put a good case to keep the shirt.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 7:39 pm

nothing to do with how much we should spend or Dyche should be given - if Dyche wants a player that is within budget we should get him

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 7:45 pm

I hope he spends nowt 'to see what he can do.'

Stick to Benidorm for Clarets in Europe. Ahahahahahahahhahaha!

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 7:55 pm

ablueclaret wrote:I'd love the development squad to work but so far it just appears to halt players progress, so buying in young talent appears the only real option.
A few years ago I highlighted the dilemma facing the club and posed the idea that perhaps we should abandon youth sides and just recruit young players from other clubs, ideally into a reserve side.
I think our thinking on young players has been muddled and we really haven't got the mechanisms right, but we have been more successful bringing on other sides young players than our own.

That is what we are already doing, lots of our youth team started elsewhere.
A couple of seasons back we bought players (Ginelly, Agyei etc) for the development squad.
i'd guess that it will become harder to pick up the rejects from other PL clubs and turn them into first teamers at Burnley if we are competing at PL level

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 7:55 pm

Inchy wrote:Personally I’d buy McClean for two reasons.1. He is very good, hard working and has quality. 2. It would **** off the poppy mafia, which is alright with me

I really rate McClean and think he’s been wasted at West Brom. Given the right management I think he could be our best winger. Would cost about 20-30m depending on his contract length

So you're saying we should spend 20-30 million pounds sterling, on James McClean.

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 7:57 pm

£20,000,000

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 7:59 pm

SGr wrote:So you're saying we should spend 20-30 million pounds sterling, on James McClean.

When ****ing off the "poppy mafia" becomes a valid reason for signing a player I will definitely give up the game!

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 8:44 pm

That’s not the main reason, he’s decent. ******* off the poppy mafia is Just an added bonus

Also yeah 20-30million. That will be The going rate for him

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:13 pm

Inchy wrote:That’s not the main reason, he’s decent. ******* off the poppy mafia is Just an added bonus

Also yeah 20-30million. That will be The going rate for him

Whilst I think McClean is a decent player, that is a ludicrous amount of money to spend on a player like him. £15m tops and even then I’m not sure it’d be value for money.

paulus the woodgnome · Post by **paulus the woodgnome** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:45 pm

Didn't we pay £15m for Wood from the Championship? If we were to buy McClean, would you expect him to be more expensive or not? Admittedly we'd be buying an EPL player but not one of the very top ones, where as Wood was one of the top Championship strikers.

Pearcey · Post by **Pearcey** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:53 pm

I like Maddison at Norwich. He's been their best player this season.

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:16 am

Can we do loans in Jan? There might be a few players needing game time if the want to go to the World Cup who would want game time going for a Euro place not in a relegation battle?

Walt · Post by **Walt** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:42 am

I agree we managed to develop some excellent players from other academies and this is still a very good way to go for us in my opinion.

There must be a very good number of players we can provide a platform to, they just need a chance. A chance they're unlikely to get at saturated academy teams such as City and Chelsea, we could provide regular 1st team football to enable potential to be realised.

The England youth sides have been successful and many people have discussed how we as a nation develop as many of these players as possible. We're in prime position to be one of the clubs to do it.

Yes there is always the stand out talent like Foden, but for every Foden there's a few at levels like Mee, Keane and Trippier.

It's not always as straightforward as i suggest though as young players need the right environment for them to thrive. As seen with Chalobah, that environment is not the same for each player.

Then all being well we make an excellent profit once we've had a few good seasons out of them. Perhaps we could even establish ourselves to keep hold of them a bit longer if we maintain a regular top 10 position.

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:13 am

Fellani out of contract with Man United in the summer but reportedly on 80,000 p/w would fit our team well.

Nasty, tick.
Cheater, tick (we need more to keep up).
Good in air, tick.
Versatile, tick.
Can score, tick

But it looks like he's just going to become another overpaid player if the papers are correct when they say united are going to give him a big pay rise to prevent him from moving to China.

Maybe Steve can have a good word

Can anyone think of any other attacking midfielders we could perhaps more realistically sign? We need someone extra anyway if we are going to play that way so it would make sense to replace Hendrick.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:31 am

McClean thirty mil?

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:31 am

Inchy wrote:That’s not the main reason, he’s decent. ******* off the poppy mafia is Just an added bonus

Also yeah 20-30million. That will be The going rate for him

Is it the zero goals or zero assists this season that makes you think he's worth £20-30m?

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FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:44 am

We're too short to finish in the position we're currently in IMO, due to Brady's injury. I think he's a big loss and even with him, I'd have wanted somebody to challenge Brady/JBG out wide. So that would be at the top of my list. Someone like Lennon would be great. Even if that was our only January signing, I think it would be enough (without knowing of any future injuries or bans, of course). Someone to challenge Hendrick like mentioned, would be good too, but I think everywhere else we're fine until the summer.

The difference in money awarded for each position we finish in, mixed with the insurance that we've got to be confident of playing Premier League football next season, imo warrants us to spend a bit of a premium, which seems to be the case with January signings.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Tue Dec 26, 2017 12:30 pm

FactualFrank wrote:We're too short to finish in the position we're currently in IMO, due to Brady's injury. I think he's a big loss and even with him, I'd have wanted somebody to challenge Brady/JBG out wide. So that would be at the top of my list. Someone like Lennon would be great. Even if that was our only January signing, I think it would be enough (without knowing of any future injuries or bans, of course). Someone to challenge Hendrick like mentioned, would be good too, but I think everywhere else we're fine until the summer.

The difference in money awarded for each position we finish in, mixed with the insurance that we've got to be confident of playing Premier League football next season, imo warrants us to spend a bit of a premium, which seems to be the case with January signings.

Agree with all of this, although on Saturday's evidence we should also be aiming to invest in another centre back, particularly if we perceive a battle to hold onto Tarkowski in the summer. Someone like Liam Moore at Reading.

In terms of wide players, it would make a lot of sense given how we play for us to sign someone who can play in any of the three more advanced midfield roles behind the striker, but you can certainly make an argument that if we can bring in a couple of players who can play wide left (one a marquee signing, one for the future) then that might enable Arfield to compete with Hendrick for the most advanced central role.

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Tue Dec 26, 2017 12:53 pm

How much we spend is completely irrelevant, it's who we bring in. Spending money is not a sign of success in and of itself, unless you're a city fan.

As long as we approach it sensibly and with an 18 month plan I think we will be fine. We can buy players now knowing we are in the premier for 18 month minimum and that's how we should approach it.

Centre half and a winger would do it for me.

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Tue Dec 26, 2017 1:15 pm

Is there any point?

We won't get relegated now and the Europe suggestion is a bit too far fetched. We've lost too many first team starters to cover them all if we were to aim for Europe, We'd have to spend about £15-20m x 5 to cover them plus future injuries and what? £40-50k a week on each for wages?

Not gonna happen is it?

Only signings worth making are players wanting out/out of favour at other clubs who we can get a good deal on and get em ready for the next campaign.

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Tue Dec 26, 2017 1:17 pm

superdimitri wrote:
Nasty, tick.
Cheater, tick (we need more to keep up).
Good in air, tick.
Versatile, tick.
Can score, tick

We've already got Ashley Barnes for that, why would we need Fellani?

taio · Post by **taio** » Tue Dec 26, 2017 1:20 pm

starting_11 wrote:Is there any point?

We won't get relegated now and the Europe suggestion is a bit too far fetched. We've lost too many first team starters to cover them all if we were to aim for Europe, We'd have to spend about £15-20m x 5 to cover them plus future injuries and what? £40-50k a week on each for wages?

Not gonna happen is it?

Only signings worth making are players wanting out/out of favour at other clubs who we can get a good deal on and get em ready for the next campaign.

Yes of course. We need two in. Obvious which positions.

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:25 am

starting_11 wrote:We've already got Ashley Barnes for that, why would we need Fellani?

Plays AMC instead of Hendrick.

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:06 am

ElectroClaret wrote:McClean thirty mil?

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!

If he goes anywhere in Jan I am confident it will be a fee between 20-30mil

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 7:13 am

firstly, I doubt anyone in the PL would want him due to abysmal form as stated - which means he either goes into the Championship or stays where he is. If McClean is worth 20-30 million with his stats I would suggest JBG is worth 68.34 million.

I'd be truly ****** off if we signed him

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 7:52 am

Jamie Paterson & Liam Moore. Both good guys for the future and both could step in now

When Ben Mee went down injured during the Utd game we had no central defenders on the bench. OK saying Taylor can cover at CH-but can he ? Also looks like Ward is out for a while and Taylor needs to stay at LB

We have been very lucky with suspensions and injuries this year -by and large, but things can change quickly

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 8:41 am

I don't think we'll do much business in Jan to be honest. Possibly a championship midfielder player but no more. With our set up and tight ship I think SD will wait until the summer. I hope I'm wrong.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 8:44 am

We certainly need a couple though I've no clue what the budget/wage bill is now.

We need to get Defour, Mee and Tarkowski on new contracts as well. (others probably as well)

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 11:02 am

warksclaret wrote:Jamie Paterson & Liam Moore. Both good guys for the future and both could step in now

I like Jamie Paterson and wanted us to sign him when we were linked with him a couple of years ago. But I think we are at a much better level now and need to attract better than Paterson. Furthermore, we are in a position to attract significantly better than Paterson too.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 11:14 am

Leave it to Sean and the board.
No doubt they'll be accused of being tight again, and unwilling to back the manager, all the usual garbage.

Try and remember it's not always about what we are willing to pay, but what the other team and player are willing to accept.

COBBLE · Post by **COBBLE** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:01 pm

Two objectives

1. Maintain what we have got. So a centre back to be ready when Tarks goes. Maybe McClean fits this category.
2. Improve/evolve. I'll leave that to the manager.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:08 pm

Never have a better chance of attracting better quality players.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:23 pm

With Vigil going for £75 mill, who the hell are we going to able to afford. It’s just pushed up prices again. Colin was talking up his CB, saying was as good as Vigil, I know nothing about him but if approach Cardiff about him they are going to be asking 20-30 million for a championship CB.

Last transfer window I was banging on about how much we would have to spend and SD spent less and improved the squad. I hope he can do so again.

I will take another Jack Cork type signing, one we all wondered quite why, but he has been immense.

I will just trust SD.

Hedontplayforyou · Post by **Hedontplayforyou** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:36 pm

Poppy or no
Poppy McLean isn’t good enough.

Bristol City May be a decent place to shop in January

KippaxFifaHD · Post by **KippaxFifaHD** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 8:48 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:We have enough squad players. If we spend any money at all it would have to be on a first teamer who then puts the guy he replaces as back up. That's how we get stronger.

Personally I would be trying to get a CAM from one of the big boys on loan for the season. We have the finances to put say 6-8m at it.

Mata
Mkhitaryan
Vlasic
Klassen
Foden

Mata or Mkhitaryan on loan?!?! What did you have on your weetabix?
Klassen no.
Vlasic maybe, but havent seen enough of him to be convinced just yet.
Foden, same as Vlasic

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 8:53 pm

Foden is injured

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 9:06 pm

COBBLE wrote:1. Maintain what we have got. So a centre back to be ready when Tarks goes. Maybe McClean fits this category.

But McClean isn't a centre back?

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 9:51 pm

KippaxFifaHD wrote:Mata or Mkhitaryan on loan?!?! What did you have on your weetabix?
Klassen no.
Vlasic maybe, but havent seen enough of him to be convinced just yet.
Foden, same as Vlasic

Since I posted Foden got injured, mata scoring for fun at United.
Mkhitarian is still on his way out.
Klassen was a star for Ajax and Vlasic very exciting player.
Good foreign players who are good on the ball going forward with a killer pass. Had a bit of premier league experience so could hit the ground running.

By all means keep shopping in the championship if you want to go back to relegation battles.

CFS · Post by **CFS** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:45 am

Count up all are monies and go get Ross Barkley.
Drop hendrick further back.
Defour dropped till he signs a new contract.
Get buffon out of retirement.
Get xavi of his holiday.
Sign nagatomo.
Sign sinclair and ask him to do what he's doing up in Scotland for us every Saturday.
Sign Lennon for pace if not then Dane Richards will do.
Penalties? Hmm tough one.......
Oh yes sign vardy and let's party.
Super sub we can have Walters till the summer.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:50 am

Hedontplayforyou wrote:Poppy or no
Poppy McLean isn’t good enough.

Bristol City May be a decent place to shop in January

Is that the same Bristol City that is owned by a Billionaire Hedge Fund manager - not as easy as you might think given their league position

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 4:20 am

Lot of talk of this Lennon fellow from Everton. Would be a decent aquasition if fit, I think this could be an issue. The amount of wage he would demand may make him a risk with his mental health problems.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 4:38 am

Top Claret wrote:Lot of talk of this Lennon fellow from Everton. Would be a decent aquasition if fit, I think this could be an issue. The amount of wage he would demand may make him a risk with his mental health problems.

I think Lennon has been starting games under Big Sam so I don't see why he would loan him out. You make it sound like his previous mental health problems are a negative, if he's recovered and feeling himself then it shouldn't even be a factor.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 4:43 am

We should spend whatever Dyche wants to spend, it's pretty obvious we need a quality winger and probably a quality striker/attacking midfielder.

CFS · Post by **CFS** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:17 am

KRBFC wrote:We should spend whatever Dyche wants to spend, it's pretty obvious we need a quality winger and probably a quality striker/attacking midfielder.

Stop talking crap were 7th. Would you like Messi and Ronaldo in your dream world.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:10 pm

CFS wrote:Stop talking crap were 7th. Would you like Messi and Ronaldo in your dream world.

What?
So we don't look to improve the squad then, f**k it lets not bother at all. Lets stand still and not even look to progress, I'm glad you're not running the club Mr Unambitious.

CFS · Post by **CFS** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:17 pm

KRBFC wrote:What?
So we don't look to improve the squad then, f**k it lets not bother at all. Lets stand still and not even look to progress, I'm glad you're not running the club Mr Unambitious.

Not about standing still its not being deluded. It's pretty obvious we need a quality winger striker and attacking midfielder? How just how do you come up with that or are you one who thinks we must beat bottle half teams home and away cos were 7th?

Cirrus_Minor · Post by **Cirrus_Minor** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:23 pm

superdimitri wrote:Fellani out of contract with Man United in the summer but reportedly on 80,000 p/w would fit our team well.

Nasty, tick.
Cheater, tick (we need more to keep up).
Good in air, tick.
Versatile, tick.
Can score, tick.

Wages, cross

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:26 pm

CFS wrote:Not about standing still its not being deluded. It's pretty obvious we need a quality winger striker and attacking midfielder? How just how do you come up with that or are you one who thinks we must beat bottle half teams home and away cos were 7th?

We have 2 wide players to fill 2 spots..... i'd say it's pretty obvious we need a winger, well obvious to most but apparently not you.

Squarepusher · Post by **Squarepusher** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 3:01 pm

I think a winger and a centre half are pretty much essential for us. A number 10 type player would be nice, but I've personally no idea who we could get there to improve our team that would fall within our price range.