Aaron Lennon no thanks

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:54 pm

This season, playing with severe depression and in a struggling team, Lennon has a 10% success rate.

Other attacking/wide players with a 10% crossing success rate this season:

Morata
Lacazette
Tammy Abraham
Kachunga
Dele Alli
Firmino
Sturridge
Sadio Mané
Son Heung-Min

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:55 pm

Does anybody seriously think that Lennon will command £55k a week when he's potentially being released by Everton in 6 months? Also taking into account the stage of his career he's currenty at and his recent issues...

No Chance.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:55 pm

Sidney does.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:57 pm

Well done on listing mainly strikers or centrally attacking players who'd rarely cross from the wing.
Or in Sturridge's case hardly playing/injured.

You're getting desperate aren't you?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:58 pm

Who's to say someone won't pay him that?
We aren't top of the list for wages and other clubs will happily give bigger wages to players.

I'm just using it as an example of why he may not come here.

cockneyclaret · Post by **cockneyclaret** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:00 pm

Does anyone actually think he would want to come here!
No chance, he'll be off to the u.s or something like that, sadly our incomings are done.. now wait for the excuses

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:01 pm

Jakubs Tash wrote:Does anybody seriously think that Lennon will command £55k a week when he's potentially being released by Everton in 6 months? Also taking into account the stage of his career he's currenty at and his recent issues...

No Chance.

Yep I think he will be asking for around £50k a week. Being out of contract in 6 months works to his advantage not against it.

Up the Beehole - i`m in no way supporting using these statistics in isolation but how many of the list of players you mention are wingers ? Seems a bit of a silly list to be honest - why don`t you throw a few goal keepers on the list ?!!

The stats that are important are his more recent ones - not the ones from a few years ago when he was clearly a very good player who would walk in to our side.

You`ve got to ask why he has struggled to get in an Everton side who are crying out for pace and who sit a number of points behind us this season.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:02 pm

Sidney1st wrote: Or in Sturridge's case hardly playing/injured.

And you wouldn't class Lennon as 'hardly playing/injured'??????

Sadio Mané plays wide left for Liverpool
Kachunga plays right wing
Son Heung-Min plays wide left for Spurs

Just spotted that Scott Arfield also has a 10% success rate. He plays wide for Burnley.

Pearcey · Post by **Pearcey** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:06 pm

I’d be happy if we pulled this off. Very good player and gives us something different.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:08 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:And you wouldn't class Lennon as 'hardly playing/injured'??????

Sadio Mané plays wide left for Liverpool
Kachunga plays right wing
Son Heung-Min plays wide left for Spurs

Just spotted that Scott Arfield also has a 10% success rate. He plays wide for Burnley.

Don`t know about Kachunga but Mane and Son are definitely not wingers. Just because they play on the left or right side of a centre forward does not make them wingers....they can hardly stand on the toes of the centre forward can they ?

As for Scotty - he's never got in many crosses in the Premier League. He's just not that type of player and we do not play him in that kind of position. I`d be a very worried man if we were bringing in a player on £50k a week with similar attacking statistics to Scott Arfield.

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:11 pm

TVC15 wrote:Yep I think he will be asking for around £50k a week. Being out of contract in 6 months works to his advantage not against it.

We're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I get what you are saying but this only really works if the player in question is sought after and improving. If anything, Lennon is declining and is also a risk given his recent issues.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:17 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Was it a loan deal last summer?
If so he wouldn't need to drop his wages.

nope

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:18 pm

Jakubs Tash wrote:We're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I get what you are saying but this only really works if the player in question is sought after and improving. If anything, Lennon is declining and is also a risk given his recent issues.

I think there would be a few teams in our league and a number in the Championship who would be after him. Not because he is improving - because he clearly isn`t - but because of his track record and more importantly because he is available without paying a transfer fee. If you are avoiding having to pay say £10m for a transfer fee (nothing in this day and age) then a big chunk of that can go in wages and a signing on fee.

The likes of Walters and Bardsley have not come here from Stoke for anything less than £25k a week and in both these cases we had to pay transfer fees. Lennon has a much better career than either and comes on a free so don`t think £50k is an unrealistic amount at all.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:26 pm

It would push the rest of our wage bill up as well for future transfers and contract renewals.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:58 pm

Not if he wasn't the highest earner.

ChorltonCharlie · Post by **ChorltonCharlie** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:16 pm

In fairness he's been playing for a team with major striker issues this season. You can put in quality delivery, after quality delivery, but if your forwards aren't up to much then it aint going to make much difference. His stats for the 2 seasons previous when Lukaku would have been on the pitch more often than not are 20%, which is reasonably good for this level of football and is an upgrade on Arfield. Maybe not JBG standard, but if you're expecting delivery of that quality and the pace of Lennon, then you'd better hope we've unearthed some amazing scouts.

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:06 pm

Walcott set to have a medical this afternoon at everton

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:20 pm

Would be a good signing for us. Has the ability to put additional and different pressure on defences and loads of experience at this level.

People moaning that its a rubbish signing are probably those who thought Joey would be a terrible signing when he became a free agent that summer.

Its a no brainer in my book. Just like Joey

KefkaClaret · Post by **KefkaClaret** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:20 pm

I would prefer we signed younger players over Lennon. Tarkowki is our youngest starter at 25.

lucs86 · Post by **lucs86** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:56 pm

Pace in wide positions isn't that rare that we need to find it in a 30 year old whose career trajectory has been on the down slope for a long time but who would still probably become our highest paid player. I don't think he's robust or conservative enough to be an automatic starter, certainly not next season with Brady back. At his age we're unlikely to significantly develop his game, I'd much rather we were looking at younger players that we can mould and improve and who'd feel the need to prove themselves to get in the 11.

I was massively excited about Barton signing. This is different, our scenario is different.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:29 pm

Walcott having a medical with a fee being agreed may free Lennon up with Bolasie back from injury.

Young_Claret_91 · Post by **Young_Claret_91** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:44 pm

KefkaClaret wrote:I would prefer we signed younger players over Lennon. Tarkowki is our youngest starter at 25.

Charlie Taylor is 24

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:57 pm

All these stats about successful crosses are pointless. Lennon would bring far more to the side than crossing accuracy;

He’s quick and direct and he would improve our ability to counter attack.

He would give defenders something to worry about, unlike in the first half at Palace where their back four practically lined up on the halfway line because of our lack of pace.

He’s technically a very neat and tidy footballer and along with Cork, Defour and JBG would improve our ability to retain possession.

He’s entirely different than anything we have (other than maybe GKN who I’ve not seen enough of).

He has the ability to get to the bye line or into dangerous positions to cross the ball and his crossing ability better than Arfield’s.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:01 pm

He’d certainly help us counter attack.
I don’t believe he’s technically a very neat and tidy footballer though.

Finding one of those with pace is very rare.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:11 pm

Im with you BC...hes not technically good and neither is Walcott. But you need a blend. Were sorely lacking pace and Id welcome his signing

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:16 pm

If you look at some of the goals he scored for Spurs I think you would see that technically he is decent. He strikes a ball well.

I think where he might be technically lacking is in decision making - which is very common with out and out wingers.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:33 pm

Why can't we just invest in young players? Go and buy Brereton and Worrall from Forest, Bowen from Hull, Sessegnon at Fulham. I can open up my scouting book if Dyche needs help, we always buy boring players. Excite me BFC, treat us all...

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:35 pm

Maddison at Norwich is another

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:36 pm

KRBFC wrote:Why can't we just invest in young players? Go and buy Brereton and Worrall from Forest, Bowen from Hull, Sessegnon at Fulham. I can open up my scouting book if Dyche needs help, we always buy boring players. Excite me BFC, treat us all...

Boring players?

You mean like Brady, JBG and Defour?

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:38 pm

Being 7th in the Premier League is a treat. In fact its absolutely astonishing.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:39 pm

Spijed wrote:Boring players?

You mean like Brady, JBG and Defour?

Brady and Defour were exciting signings. JBG not so much. Walters, Bardsley, Wells, M Taylor, Reid, Juke, Sordell, Vossen, Cork, Westwood, Ward, Hendrick, Arfield are all boring signings.

Gray, Tarkowski, Keane, Barton were exciting signings.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:41 pm

Sometimes boring signings are needed.

Not every signing can be exciting and how was JBG boring after that Euros?

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:42 pm

KRBFC wrote:Why can't we just invest in young players? Go and buy Brereton and Worrall from Forest, Bowen from Hull, Sessegnon at Fulham. I can open up my scouting book if Dyche needs help, we always buy boring players. Excite me BFC, treat us all...

They might already have Football Manager?

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:44 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Sometimes boring signings are needed.

Not every signing can be exciting and how was JBG boring after that Euros?

Personal preference, I didn't notice him on the pitch at the Euros. I thought he was a coup for Charlton at the time with Buyens on loan. Let me clarify, when I say a ''boring signing'' it doesn't mean it's a bad one as proved with Cork, Ward, Hendrick.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:45 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:He’d certainly help us counter attack.
I don’t believe he’s technically a very neat and tidy footballer though.

Finding one of those with pace is very rare.

I disagree. He’s a very tidy player in possession.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:46 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:They might already have Football Manager?

What has Football Manager got to do with it? The players I mentioned all play in the Championship, not exactly hard to watch a Championship game is it? You're talking like I'm naming players from the Syrian pub league who I found on a computer game I don't even play. Go eat more frogs you sandal wearer

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:48 pm

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:08 pm

Possibly, KRBFC, you are expecting a bit too much, although I broadly agree about exciting signings.
I'm amazed no club has come in for Sessegnon. yet

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:22 pm

Football manager is a valid point of reference.

See the German club who signed Firmino and how they originally noticed him.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:44 pm

boatshed bill wrote:Possibly, KRBFC, you are expecting a bit too much, although I broadly agree about exciting signings.
I'm amazed no club has come in for Sessegnon. yet

Maybe I am, I just find our transfer business pretty underwhelming and uninspiring on the whole. I'm not expecting 50 million to be spent I just dont want to see more and more signings like Walters, Wells. We keep making the same mistakes and wasting money in the process. How much did we waste on Reid, M Taylor, Juke and Sordell? I'd guess about £5-6M with all things considered, as expected they were all predictably dross. Add Walters, Bardsley and Wells to that list and you're looking at somewhere close to £13-15M wasted (at a guess), that could have paid the transfer fee (or the majority of it) for another 2 Defour's, Assombalonga, Andone or whoever Dyche wanted. Fine let's be tight with the purse strings, I get it, but at least be sensible with it. An injured Wells (with 9 months left on his contract) doesn't represent value at £5M when we paid £10M for Cork and £7M for Defour.

(These figures are all estimates)

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:11 pm

Reid & Taylor were free transfers
Sordell - £500k
Juke - £1.75m
Walters - £3m
Bardsley - £1.5m
Wells - £5m

It's funny how your estimates seem to add a few million on !
Taylor was a decent signing and Bardsley has proved important.

No club gets all their signings correct - why would Burnley be any different ?
Would you rather the mistakes cost you a couple of million or £20m ?
Look at Leicester signings - Ineacheo £25m ; Slimani - £30m and others - now trying to be off loaded.
Swansea - £13m midfielder hardly ever played and Sanches on a very expensive loan fee which will cost them nearly £10m.

Stoke - £25m for a midfielder who does not play.
West Brom - £15m on Jay...hardly pulling up trees.
Bournemouth - £16m on Jordan Ibe 2 years ago and just scored his first goal. £8m on Mings. £10m on Afobe
Everton - £70m on players who can't get a game

Etc etc - loads of teams below us have wasted a lot more than us. Plenty of teams in Championship have wasted more than us.

Very easy to criticise something that you would not have a clue how to do yourself.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:20 pm

no thanks indeed

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:20 pm

I give all our signings a fair go even Paddy Poshboy would turned out to be a flop.
It's seems my original post 're my misgivings about signing Aaron has got some who totally agree and some who think he's still got the skillset he once had.
We've got two weeks left so we will see how it pans out.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:25 pm

TVC15 wrote:Reid & Taylor were free transfers
Sordell - £500k
Juke - £1.75m
Walters - £3m
Bardsley - £1.5m
Wells - £5m

It's funny how your estimates seem to add a few million on !
Taylor was a decent signing and Bardsley has proved important.

No club gets all their signings correct - why would Burnley be any different ?
Would you rather the mistakes cost you a couple of million or £20m ?
Look at Leicester signings - Ineacheo £25m ; Slimani - £30m and others - now trying to be off loaded.
Swansea - £13m midfielder hardly ever played and Sanches on a very expensive loan fee which will cost them nearly £10m.

Stoke - £25m for a midfielder who does not play.
West Brom - £15m on Jay...hardly pulling up trees.
Bournemouth - £16m on Jordan Ibe 2 years ago and just scored his first goal. £8m on Mings. £10m on Afobe
Everton - £70m on players who can't get a game

Etc etc - loads of teams below us have wasted a lot more than us. Plenty of teams in Championship have wasted more than us.

Very easy to criticise something that you would not have a clue how to do yourself.

I said ''ALL THINGS CONSIDERED'', it's not just a transfer fee that is paid.... wages, signing on fees etc So yes, I'm sure that adds a few million on. I would rather us waste £15M on 1 player who's likely to be a success than £15M on 7 players who are likely to fail.

claretblue · Post by **claretblue** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:25 pm

Wallcott having medical at Goodison!

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:30 pm

KRBFC wrote:I said ''ALL THIS CONSIDERED'', it's not just a transfer fee that is paid.... wages, signing on fees etc So yes, I'm sure that adds a few million on.

Yep thought you would say that ! You would still need to add on the salaries on to the players you are suggesting we could have afforded but you haven't done that - so it's all relative.

Still does not change the point that nobody gets all their transfers correct and Burnley have made much less expensive mistakes than any other club I can think of in this league. It's ok being wise after the event and saying we should have not bought x and should have bought y but tell me a club that has wasted less than Burnley have.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:33 pm

TVC15 wrote:Yep thought you would say that ! You would still need to add on the salaries on to the players you are suggesting we could have afforded but you haven't done that - so it's all relative.

''that could have paid the transfer fee (or the majority of it) for another 2 Defour's, Assombalonga, Andone''

Do I really have to keep quoting myself? How about you read the post properly before responding....

PaintYorkClaretnBlue · Post by **PaintYorkClaretnBlue** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:34 pm

No odds on Lennon anymore, to any club.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:43 pm

KRBFC wrote:''that could have paid the transfer fee (or the majority of it) for another 2 Defour's, Assombalonga, Andone''

Do I really have to keep quoting myself? How about you read the post properly before responding....

I did read it - it's not my fault you post meaningless sh-ite to try and criticise Burnley at every opportunity.
On one hand you are including the salaries of the people you say we should have not bought aswell as their transfer fees but for the people you think we should have bought you rather conveniently leave out the cost of their wages and signing on fees - as said meaningless argument.

More relevant than the numbers is what actually is your point ? Why don't you answer the question about which club has made less mistakes than Burnley ? As this is the real point rather than expecting our club to do something that neither you or anyone else can do - i.e. get all of their transfer dealings correct

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:48 pm

If we'd gone out and ****** £15 million on Ibe who then turned out to be gash I think we can safely say KRBFC wouldn't be happy with that deal.
Neither would a number of other posters, myself included.

No good saying you'd prefer one expensive flop over several cheaper ones, there's zero logic to it.