Men Only Events. Are They OK?

Chip Harrison · Post by **Chip Harrison** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:14 pm

The Presidents Club has raised millions for charity, but some of the charitys are refusing to accept the money as the hostesses got a bit upset. By the way the women were all paid £150 plus.

Storm in a tea cup?

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:22 pm

Men only events are ok - that kind of behaviour is never ok

though I will say it is not just men that behave that way - I have a particular memory of walking across a factory floor full of female workers when I was a young salesman all suited and booted

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:23 pm

At 10pm last Thursday night, Jonny Gould took to the stage in the ballroom at London’s Dorchester Hotel. “Welcome to the most un-PC event of the year,” he roared.

Mr Gould — who presented Channel 5’s Major League Baseball show — was there to host a charity auction, the centrepiece of a secretive annual event, the Presidents Club Charity Dinner.

The gathering’s official purpose is to raise money for worthy causes such as Great Ormond Street Hospital, the world-renowned children’s hospital in London’s Bloomsbury district.

Auction items included lunch with Boris Johnson, the British foreign secretary, and afternoon tea with Bank of England governor Mark Carney.

But this is a charity fundraiser like no other.

It is for men only. A black tie evening, Thursday’s event was attended by 360 figures from British business, politics and finance and the entertainment included 130 specially hired hostesses.

All of the women were told to wear skimpy black outfits with matching underwear and high heels. At an after-party many hostesses — some of them students earning extra cash — were groped, sexually harassed and propositioned.

The event has been a mainstay of London’s social calendar for 33 years, yet the activities have remained largely unreported — unusual, perhaps, for a fundraiser of its scale.

The questions raised about the event have been thrown into sharp relief by the current business climate, when bastions of sexual harassment and the institutionalised objectification of women are being torn down.

The Financial Times last week sent two people undercover to work as hostesses on the night. Reporters also gained access to the dining hall and surrounding bars.

Over the course of six hours, many of the hostesses were subjected to groping, lewd comments and repeated requests to join diners in bedrooms elsewhere in the Dorchester.

Hostesses reported men repeatedly putting hands up their skirts; one said an attendee had exposed his penis to her during the evening.

WPP, the FTSE 100 advertising conglomerate, sponsored a table at the event as it has in previous years. Martin Sorrell, chief executive, was not present this year — though he has attended in the past.

Andrew Scott, its chief operating officer for Europe, hosted the table in his absence. Other table sponsors included CMC Markets, the UK-listed spread betting company, and Frogmore, the London-based real estate investment business.

A seating plan for last week’s event seen by the FT listed those due to attend as including well-known British business figures such as Philip Green of Arcadia Group, Dragons’ Den star Peter Jones, and Ocado boss Tim Steiner.

Financiers on the seating plan included Henry Gabay, founder of hedge fund Duet Group, and Makram Azar, the head of Barclays’ investment bank’s Middle East business. From the world of politics were Nadhim Zahawi, newly appointed undersecretary of state for children and families, and Jonathan Mendelsohn, a Labour peer and party fundraiser. It is not clear whether those listed all turned up on the night.

The comedian David Walliams was the host for the evening. Previous attendees have included Michael Sherwood, a former vice-chairman of Goldman Sachs, and Poju Zabludowicz, a Finnish real estate billionaire and Conservative party donor.

Current and past supporters provide a roll call of British wealth and business influence: patrons include high-end developer Nick Candy; former Formula 1 magnate Bernie Ecclestone; and TV presenter Vernon Kay. CMC Markets founder Peter Cruddas is also a regular attendee.

The event has a laudable fundraising aim with prestigious prizes offered for auction. During the three decades The Presidents Club has been running, it has raised more than £20m for charity. Thursday’s event alone raised more than £2m.

The organisation’s charitable trust has two joint chairmen: Bruce Ritchie, a Mayfair property developer who founded Residential Land, and David Meller, from the luxury good specialist Meller Group, who also sits on the board of the Department for Education and the Mayor’s Fund for London.

But the auction offers a hint of the evening’s seedier side. Lots included a night at Soho’s Windmill strip club and a course of plastic surgery with the invitation to: “Add spice to your wife.”

The accompanying brochure included a full-page warning that no attendees or staff should be sexually harassed. The glossy auction catalogue distributed to attendees during the evening included multiple images of Marilyn Monroe dressed in revealing, tight dresses.

The nature of the occasion was hinted at when the hostesses were hired. The task of finding women for the dinner is entrusted to Caroline Dandridge, founder of Artista, an agency specialising in hosts and hostesses for what it claims to be some of the “UK’s most prestigious occasions”.

At their initial interviews, women were warned by Ms Dandridge that the men in attendance might be “annoying” or try to get the hostesses “******”. One hostess was advised to lie to her boyfriend about the fact it was a male-only event. “Tell him it’s a charity dinner,” she was told.

“It’s a Marmite job. Some girls love it, and for other girls it’s the worst job of their life and they will never do it again . . . You just have to put up with the annoying men and if you can do that it’s fine,” Ms Dandridge told the hostess.

Two days before the event, Ms Dandridge told prospective hostesses by email that their phones would be “safely locked away” for the evening and that boyfriends and girlfriends were not welcome at the venue.

The uniform requirements also became more detailed: all hostesses should bring “BLACK sexy shoes”, black underwear, and do their hair and make-up as they would to go to a “smart sexy place”. Dresses and belts would be supplied on the day.

For those who met the three specific selection criteria (“tall, thin and pretty”) a job paying £150, plus £25 for a taxi home, began at 4pm.

The backgrounds of the dozen or more hostesses met by reporters were varied: many were students, hoping to launch careers as lawyers or marketing executives; others juggled part-time jobs as actresses, dancers or models and did occasional hostessing work to make ends meet.

Upon arrival at the Dorchester, the first task given to the hostesses was to sign a five-page non-disclosure agreement about the event. Hostesses were not given a chance to read its contents, or take a copy with them after signing.

At first, hostesses were assembled in the Dorchester’s Orchard Room, where a team of hair and make-up artists prepped women for the evening ahead. During the pre-event preparations, some of the women new to hostess work sought advice from those with more experience. The feedback was mixed.

A number of the hostesses seemed excited about the evening ahead. It was a fun night, they said, especially as — unlike most hostessing assignments — you could drink on the job.

One experienced hostess acknowledged that a portion of the men were likely to be “arseholes”, but said others were “hilarious”. “It really depends on the luck of the draw,” she added.

Others were more apprehensive. One woman who had last worked at the event five years ago sighed to herself: “I can’t believe I’m here again.”

Towards 7pm, during a staff buffet dinner, Ms Dandridge entered wearing a smart black suit and gave a briefing; she said if any of the men became “too annoying”, the hostesses should contact her.

Hostess uniforms were distributed — short tight black dresses, black high heels and a thick black belt resembling a corset. Once dressed, the hostesses were offered a glass of white wine during the final countdown to their entrance into the ballroom.

As the 8pm start time approached, all of the hostesses were told to form two lines in height order, tallest women first, ready to parade across the stage as music began to boom across the venue: “Power”, by British girl band Little Mix.

Entering in twos from opposite sides on to a stage positioned at the front of the ballroom, hostesses presented themselves to the men before walking towards their allocated tables alongside dinner guests. This continued until all 130 women were spread across the room.

With the dinner properly under way, the hostess brief was simple: keep this mix of British and foreign businessmen, the odd lord, politicians, oligarchs, property tycoons, film producers, financiers, and chief executives happy — and fetch drinks when required.

A number of men stood with the hostesses while waiting for smoked salmon starters to arrive. Others remained seated and yet insisted on holding the hands of their hostesses.

It was unclear why men, seated at their tables with hostesses standing close by, felt the need to hold the hands of the women, but numerous hostesses discussed instances of it through the night. For some, this was a prelude to pulling the women into their laps. Meanwhile champagne, whisky and vodka were served.

On stage, entertainers came and went. It was soon after a troupe of burlesque dancers — dressed like furry-hatted Coldstream Guards, but with star-shaped stickers hiding nipples — that one 19-year-old hostess, recounted a conversation with a guest nearing his seventies: who had asked her, directly, whether she was a prostitute. She was not. “I’ve never done this before, and I’m never doing it again,” she said later. “It’s f***ing scary.”

According to the accounts of multiple women working that night, groping and similar abuse was seen across many of the tables in the room.

Another woman, 28, with experience of hostess work, observing the braying men around her said this was significantly different to previous black tie jobs. At other events, men occasionally would try to flirt with her, she said, but she had never felt uncomfortable or, indeed, frightened.

She reported being repeatedly fondled on her bottom, hips, stomach and legs. One guest lunged at her to kiss her. Another invited her upstairs to his room.

Meanwhile, Artista had an enforcement team, made up of suited women and men, who would tour the ballroom, prodding less active hostesses to interact with dinner guests.

Outside the women’s toilets a monitoring system was in place: women who spent too long were called out and led back to the ballroom. A security guard at the door was on hand, keeping time.

At 10pm, the main money-raising portion of the evening got under way: the charity auction, where the lots on offer ranged from a supercharged Land Rover to the right to name a character in Mr Walliams’ next children's book.

Richard Caring, who made his fortune in the retail sourcing business before scooping up a long list of London’s most fashionable restaurants, including The Ivy and Scott’s, rounded off the money-raising portion of the evening with a successful £400,000 bid to place his name on a new High Dependency Unit at the Evelina London children’s hospital for sick children.

It was a moment of respite for the women, most of whom had been allowed to return to the Orchard Room. Some were excited to have been offered jobs by men in the room. Others had been offered large tips, which they had been obliged to decline. One woman struggled to re-apply her eyeliner. “I’m so drunk,” she said apologetically, blaming tequila shots at her table.

The women filed back into the ballroom at 11pm for the final hour of the main event, which would be followed by an “after-party” elsewhere in the hotel.

Most hostesses had been told they would be required to stay until 2am. One was told that this final leg of the evening offered a chance to drink what she wanted and seek out those men she found “most attractive”.

The after-party was held in a smaller room off the main lobby at the Dorchester, packed tight with guests and women.

According to the 28-year-old hostess, while men danced and drank with a set of women on one side of the room, a line of younger women were left seated on a banquette at the back of the room, seemingly dazed. “They looked shocked and frightened, exhausted by what had happened,” she said.

Meanwhile, in the centre of the room, Jimmy Lahoud, 67, a Lebanese businessman and restaurateur, danced enthusiastically with three young women wearing bright red dresses.

By midnight, one society figure who the FT has not yet been able to contact was confronting at least one hostess directly.

“You look far too sober,” he told her. Filling her glass with champagne, he grabbed her by the waist, pulled her in against his stomach and declared: “I want you to down that glass, rip off your knickers and dance on that table.”

https://www.ft.com/content/075d679e-003 ... 0ad2d7c5b5

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:25 pm

If it's a how big is my cock competition surely it has to be exclusive to men ?

Foshiznik · Post by **Foshiznik** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:35 pm

Money doesn't buy you class.

smudge · Post by **smudge** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:46 pm

Chip Harrison wrote:The Presidents Club has raised millions for charity, but some of the charitys are refusing to accept the money as the hostesses got a bit upset. By the way the women were all paid £150 plus.

Storm in a tea cup?

Disgusting rich men.
Do you think £150 working from 4pm to 2am is being well paid.

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:53 pm

It appears that quite a few men behaved badly.
As a consequence all men should be embarrassed about having that Y chromosome. Of course, they only have that because of their nasty male parent (and so on back into time).
The outcome of this should be that all people with Y chromosomes should do penance by removing their testes ASAP (if not already reduced to uselessness by chemicals/tight trousers/over-enthusiastic femdoms).

Seriously - some of these "leaders of business" behaved badly - as could have been predicted. Some of the women were scared/embarrassed but some knew exactly what they were letting themselves in for - though I've no idea what the split was, maybe it'll become clearer).

Solution would have been for the hiring agency to spell things out to the women more clearly in terms of what may happen/how to react and making it clear to the guests how they were expected to behave on the occasion (a bit of a sad reflection on SOME men that this needs doing).

Storm in a teacup then.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:54 pm

There's no point in these headlines unless the girls make statements to the Police.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:00 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:There's no point in these headlines unless the girls make statements to the Police.

They could have done just that at the event.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:02 pm

smudge wrote:Disgusting rich men.
Do you think £150 working from 4pm to 2am is being well paid.

£150 divided by 10 hours, £15 an hour.

The pays not bad, just the job that was shite.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:08 pm

If I was going to be continually sexually propositioned by leering drunks three times my age, I'd want a better hourly rate than a bog-standard provincial junior admin staff member gets.

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:13 pm

It's a disgrace no more no less. But what is a bigger disgrace is that this has been an annual event now for some considerable time but it is only when the goings on are exposed by a couple of undercover reporters that the charities involved refuse the donations. I do not believe for one second that no-one in positions of responsibility in those charities knew nothing about the true nature of this event.

duncandisorderly · Post by **duncandisorderly** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:21 pm

Of course men only events are okay, it's just that this one wasn't.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:22 pm

bfcjg wrote:They could have done just that at the event.

Let's hope so.

bob-the-scutter · Post by **bob-the-scutter** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:24 pm

Same thing happens at many an all female dinner or party, in fact some women are just as bad as men so women don't have the monopoly on being groped etc. Not condoning what happens but let's get things in perspective.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:30 pm

Well, me and the lads are out skiing in Austria but damned disappointed there are no er, "hostesses" parading up and down in heels, little black dresses and skimpy underwear. Two days left, though, so you never know.

Niederau, Wildschonau. Get in.

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houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:31 pm

Chester Perry wrote:Men only events are ok - that kind of behaviour is never ok

though I will say it is not just men that behave that way - I have a particular memory of walking across a factory floor full of female workers when I was a young salesman all suited and booted

True. I once worked for a time as the only bloke in an all female office and after a while they pretty much forgot I was there. I discovered a few things:
A: Women talk about sex FAR more than men do and sometimes in graphic detail.
B: When a man walked into the office they would all stare at him and rate him out of ten when he had left (and often make graphic comments if he was particularly good looking).
C: When organising a night out they all agreed it would have to be somewhere where there would be 'plenty of blokes'. Bearing in mind more than half of them were married, which was a bit of a worry.
My life experience and the experience of working in that office lead me to conclude that women are every bit as bad as men, they are just better liars.
A wagon driver I knew years ago also used to drive a coach in his spare time and he said that the behaviour of hen do's was always far worse that that of stags.
I don't condone sexual harassment by anybody (unless I'm the victim) but given a situation where there are a lot of drunken women and only a few men their behaviour would, I think, warrant many complaints if it were not for the fact that, generally, guys don't tend to complain about it.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:34 pm

Sheila from accounts is a different proposition to captains of industry, MPs and general millionaires with influence

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:36 pm

Is there an official list of the members of this club or former club anywhere?

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:52 pm

This won't go away until every man, whether they attended or not are named, shamed, sacked, and then tar and feathered.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:54 pm

No bigger snowflake than a right wing white male

Marney&Mee · Post by **Marney&Mee** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:55 pm

Chip Harrison wrote:The Presidents Club has raised millions for charity, but some of the charitys are refusing to accept the money as the hostesses got a bit upset. By the way the women were all paid £150 plus.

Storm in a tea cup?

Storm in a D cup...

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:57 pm

The biggest crime nowadays is just being a bloke.

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:57 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:If I was going to be continually sexually propositioned by leering drunks three times my age, I'd want a better hourly rate than a bog-standard provincial junior admin staff member gets.

You never know your luck

bob-the-scutter · Post by **bob-the-scutter** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:58 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Sheila from accounts is a different proposition to captains of industry, MPs and general millionaires with influence

Exactly. Sheila would blow them out of her ar$e.

Chip Harrison · Post by **Chip Harrison** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:58 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:If I was going to be continually sexually propositioned by leering drunks three times my age, I'd want a better hourly rate than a bog-standard provincial junior admin staff member gets.

£30 grand a year for an office junior? Where do you work and are there any vacancies?

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:06 pm

On Radio 2 yesterday a woman phoned in about a stag only do organised at their Sports and Social Club a good few years ago.
She said it was disgusting with strippers dancing about and men on the stage getting Blow Jobs. You could sense Jeremy Vine squirming in the studio as he said 'Perhaps not so graphic next time'.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:07 pm

Murger wrote:The biggest crime nowadays is just being a bloke.

Is it as bad as saying you're English? Do you get locked up and thrown in jail for it these days?

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:11 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:No bigger snowflake than a right wing white male

What has his skin colour got to do with things? You really are the most stupid poster i have ever come accross, even surpassing IT which i never thought was possible (presuming you arn't the same person.

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:12 pm

Chip Harrison wrote:£30 grand a year for an office junior? Where do you work and are there any vacancies?

In UTB's harsh socialist utopia we'd all get paid £30k p/a and then within 24 months we'd all be fighting for food

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:12 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote:What has his skin colour got to do with things? You really are the most stupid poster i have ever come accross, even surpassing IT which i never thought was possible (presuming you arn't the same person.

At least I can spell 'across' and 'aren't' you thick ****

bob-the-scutter · Post by **bob-the-scutter** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:14 pm

Years ago I was propositioned by some Asian bloke at work who wanted to shag me for ten quid.
This was back in the 70s when I was a teenager. Shame really as I only had a fiver..

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:14 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:https://www.ft.com/content/075d679e-003 ... 0ad2d7c5b5

A few likely male slappers named in that FT article I.e. Phillip Green, etc.

From the world of politics were Nadhim Zahawi, newly appointed undersecretary of state for children and families..what a cracker!

Zahawi was also mixed up with another Tory slapper Jeffrey "low life" Archer

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pushpinpussy · Post by **pushpinpussy** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:44 pm

i blame Jimmy Saville

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:51 pm

I'm surprised anyone was left at the event considering all those of any note claim to have left soon after it began!

hmm...me thinks they aren't being entirely truthful.

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:01 pm

These men being named above & by various papers: were they just there or is it alleged that they were amongst the wrong-doers?
I think it's the former.
If you were behaving reasonably in a football crowd and a few people in the same stand started a punch up, does that make you a trouble maker?
We'll see if it gets to a point where specific allegations are made against specific men but I doubt it will.

Incidentally, in the FT article linked above I have to chuckle at " ....One woman who had last worked at the event five years ago sighed to herself: “I can’t believe I’m here again.”..." I felt like this most mornings I went into work at some jobs I had but I went in anyway because I needed the pay.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:14 pm

Murger wrote:The biggest crime nowadays is just being a bloke.

10 out of 10

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:26 pm

South West Claret. wrote:A few likely male slappers named in that FT article I.e. Phillip Green, etc.

From the world of politics were Nadhim Zahawi, newly appointed undersecretary of state for children and families..what a cracker!

Zahawi was also mixed up with another Tory slapper Jeffrey "low life" Archer

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadhim_Zahawi" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

" He chairs the All Party Parliamentary Group for Kurdistan" - WTF is that ?

Didn't even know such a thing existed.

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:46 pm

When I look back at some of the stag nights I went to in the early 80's, with the comedian telling blue and racist gags, I doubt if a local pub could get away with it these days; albeit thankful that its a thing of the past.

However, ....apparently.....online there are plenty of examples of ladies misbehaving at some hen nights. Long may they continue......

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 6:47 pm

HatfieldClaret wrote:When I look back at some of the stag nights I went to in the early 80's, with the comedian telling blue and racist gags, I doubt if a local pub could get away with it these days; albeit thankful that its a thing of the past.

However, ....apparently.....online there are plenty of examples of ladies misbehaving at some hen nights. Long may they continue......

This!!

The hen do's I've seen when on a night out have been worse than stags. Stags will get drunk, go to a strip club, have a gram in their pocket and then wake up for breakfast still wearing a dress.

Hen Do's seem to think that wearing a learner badge around their necks gives them a right to act like pricks and be generally annoying and go too far. Then you get that one girl who seems to always end up crying with them who even manages to ruin the walk between bars that they are ruining.

.....

The harassment is wrong at the event in OP - but if I got a job and was told "make sure to wear really revealing clothes and matching undies as it's an all female party .... who you will be serving.

I would tell them to stick the job as I'd know what was coming - and if I didn't, then when asked to sign a non disclosure form to get the job I would definitely know if it was for me or not.

The fact the girls still went ahead thinking it'd be worth it - then when the inevitable happened they are now untouched princesses who were appalled is boll0cks. What happened is wrong - but they knew what they were signing up to.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 6:49 pm

bfcjg wrote:If it's a how big is my cock competition surely it has to be exclusive to men ?

What about these Trans-gender types, they should have a chance!

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:17 pm

"The world is full of arseholes" is no defence against being an arsehole. I mean, flashing your penis is an offence, is it not?

bob-the-scutter · Post by **bob-the-scutter** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:30 pm

This has been purposely brought about by shoddy and cheap thrill journo`s. You can bet if it hadn`t been infiltrated by these muck-rakers no one would have complained about it and no one would be any wiser!
A non-story.

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:53 pm

Chip Harrison wrote:The Presidents Club has raised millions for charity, but some of the charitys are refusing to accept the money as the hostesses got a bit upset. By the way the women were all paid £150 plus.

Storm in a tea cup?

So did Jimmy Saville.

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:41 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:At least I can spell 'across' and 'aren't' you thick ****

I was on a quick break at work which i assume is something you don't do with all your sad pathetic activity on here.

Shore claret · Post by **Shore claret** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:45 pm

You would of thought that some of these men probably have daughters of the same age, they probably wouldn't want their offspring treated like that.

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:46 pm

Great Ormond Street Hospital for sick children, are one of those who have said they are returning over £500,000 of previous donations. They've been funded for decades by royalties from the estate of JM Barrie, the author of " Peter Pan ", who's now strongly suspected of having been a paedophile, according to various biographers and academics...

Whither now ??

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:55 pm

I can remember watching Wandering Walter and two strippers at the centre spot many years ago..those strippers didn't half perform well... Lol ..No strings barred in them days.

JimmyMac'sMate · Post by **JimmyMac'sMate** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 9:16 pm

Wandering Walter there's a blast from the past so him in Blackpool very funny carnt comment on the strippers so I take your word for it utc

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:16 pm

Jimmy Saville molested young boys. There's a vast difference between that and being a "hostess" at such an event. I prescribe voluntary castration in order to avoid scandalous headlines in the future.