Mr Corbyn's new friend....

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:04 pm

Jeremy's new best friend interviewing him for the Guardian at a " Show racism the Red card " event.... full article was on the Grauniad's web-site until it was taken down, pending investigation.... oddly enough, not long after this was posted....

https://order-order.com/2018/02/16/corb ... er-tweets/

Strange, not a word about it on the BBC though...

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:56 pm

Is he really Corbyn's new best friend?

The Sun produced another hatchet job the other day; something about Corbyn having tea with a Czech diplomat back in '88. The more they do this the more popular he becomes.

ClaretSteve · Post by **ClaretSteve** » Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:04 pm

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:05 pm

If he was a footballer theyd be all over it...

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:19 pm

AndrewJB wrote:Is he really Corbyn's new best friend?

The Sun produced another hatchet job the other day; something about Corbyn having tea with a Czech diplomat back in '88. The more they do this the more popular he becomes.

A bit of wishful thinking there Andrew tbh. While having worked in the media, so to at least some level immune to spin - the race card especially the anti- Jewish rhetoric is a charge that refuses to go away. I agree this has a lot more to do with lack of background checking than aligning themselves with anti-Semitic supporters but it still shows a lack of professionalism that the serious minded people will not ignore should it continue happening. While buffoons like Dianne Abbott are sat in the shadow cabinet Labour will never bridge that final gap with serious minded floating voters that would make the difference. and if Labour cannot swamp the Tories right now; will they ever?

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:26 pm

Just fake news, as Mr T would say in the USA. In Mr Corbyn's case, all publicity is good publicity.

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:32 pm

elwaclaret wrote:A bit of wishful thinking there Andrew tbh. While having worked in the media, so to at least some level immune to spin - the race card especially the anti- Jewish rhetoric is a charge that refuses to go away. I agree this has a lot more to do with lack of background checking than aligning themselves with anti-Semitic supporters but it still shows a lack of professionalism that the serious minded people will not ignore should it continue happening. While buffoons like Dianne Abbott are sat in the shadow cabinet Labour will never bridge that final gap with serious minded floating voters that would make the difference. and if Labour cannot swamp the Tories right now; will they ever?

Corbyn clearly isn't anti-Semitic, and nor is he a 'terrorist sympathiser' (that attack line failed at the last election). In this case he's done nothing wrong. He put time in to support anti-racism in football, and I don't see how that's a bad thing. If you speak to or brush up against someone who has tweeted awful things it doesn't make you complicit. Corbyn will speak with just about anyone - and that is seen as a strength by many of those who support him. He's genuine, and that stands in clear contrast with most of the Tory front bench. JR Mogg is held up as being genuine, but then his beliefs; anti-gay, anti-abortion, anti-tax on the wealthy; were he PM with a majority it wouldn't surprise me if he brought back the workhouse.

If you were a media handler, then yes you would have problems with Corbyn's scruffiness, and the fact the media don't like him, however I'd imagine you'd have a great many more problems trying to spin Boris Johnson's lying, Theresa May's inability to come across as human, or JR Mogg's deeply entrenched Christian beliefs, that are loud and proud when it comes to sexual morality, but curiously absent when it comes to dealing with poverty.

Why aren't Labour further ahead in the polls? They haven't articulated their brexit strategy very well - brexit being the main issue, and the media has gone back to ignoring most of what Corbyn says. Were there an election tomorrow, Labour's manifesto would wipe the floor with the Tory one. And the media would have no choice but to report it fairly. Labour overcame a twenty point deficit in the polls the last time. I wouldn't be surprised to see them increase the difference by a further twenty points in the next one.

Lastly - is Dianne Abbott more of a buffoon than our current foreign secretary?

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:04 pm

AndrewJB wrote:Is he really Corbyn's new best friend?

The Sun produced another hatchet job the other day; something about Corbyn having tea with a Czech diplomat back in '88. The more they do this the more popular he becomes.

Suppose it depends how mental you are.
Most rational people will be disturbed by this

Herts Clarets · Post by **Herts Clarets** » Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:43 pm

AndrewJB wrote:
Lastly - is Dianne Abbott more of a buffoon than our current foreign secretary?

Dianne Abbott is more of a buffoon than the entire current cabinet, never mind the Foreign Secretary. Other than the fact that she used to sleep with the leader of the party, i cannot see how she holds such a senior position.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:51 pm

Herts Clarets wrote:Dianne Abbott is more of a buffoon than the entire current cabinet, never mind the Foreign Secretary. Other than the fact that she used to sleep with the leader of the party, i cannot see how she holds such a senior position.

She meets the fat, black and look at my sandals quota.

Herts Clarets · Post by **Herts Clarets** » Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:54 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:She meets the fat, black and look at my sandals quota.

Well done on steering clear of the female element, cos i wouldn't put money on it.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:10 am

AndrewJB wrote:Is he really Corbyn's new best friend?
The Sun produced another hatchet job the other day; something about Corbyn having tea with a Czech diplomat back in '88. The more they do this the more popular he becomes.

Ahem.

Now then, I am not Mr Corbyn's biggest fan. But I would like to point out that there was no such thing as a "Czech diplomat" back in 1988. There was a supposed "country" called Czechoslovakia but anyone who would or could have been termed a "Czech diplomat" was nothing other than a Soviet spy. The Empire in question was the USSR and Czechoslovakia was a satellite state under a puppet regime of a "government"

That's not "paranoia".

That cold hard Cold War fact.

Any member of Parliament at the time was advised to report ANY contact made by Soviet "diplomats". If this contact/meeting wasn't reported properly then go figure what the context is.

The Soviets did anything and everything to infiltrate ALL areas of Western society.

It doesn't mean that Corbyn necessarily gave away information that would have been useful (he's not even a "useful idiot" as far would be concerned, so lowly was his standing, and this is evidenced by the fact that the USSR couldn't be bothered with him) but it does mean that he did not follow procedures that he should have followed - procedures which were designed not just to safeguard his country but to safeguard our democracy.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:15 am

AndrewJB wrote:Corbyn will speak with just about anyone -

Corbyn has shared platforms with all kinds of terrorist organisations. He invited the IRA into Parliament days after they nearly assassinated our Prime Minister. He's spoken next Islamist terrorist excusers and sympathisers and their friends. He classes HAMAS and Hezbollah as his "friends" (but only to "bring them into the discussion") and his Labour Party is apparently beset by a novel wave of anti-Semitism.

So yes, he does speak with "just about anyone".

Oh, but he refused to speak with David Cameron.

Corbyn's Rule: I'll speak with terrorists but not David Cameron.

Tells you everything you need to know about the man's priorities.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:07 am

Abbots the most disgusting piece of hypocritical sh!t that politics has produced in
Britain for many a year. She made her name decrying private education when the Tories
were in power and then as soon as she was rich enough, she put her son into errrrr,
yeah, that's right, a private school.

Khunt.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 8:23 am

Rowls wrote:Corbyn's Rule: I'll speak with terrorists but not David Cameron.

Seems reasonable.

I know which has done more damage to the UK, and it’s not Hamas or Hezbollah.

smudge · Post by **smudge** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 8:28 am

ElectroClaret wrote:Abbots the most disgusting piece of hypocritical sh!t that politics has produced in
Britain for many a year. She made her name decrying private education when the Tories
were in power and then as soon as she was rich enough, she put her son into errrrr,
yeah, that's right, a private school.

Khunt.

Has there ever been a more disgusting post than this.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 8:31 am

Wasn't Corbyn and Abbot once an item ?
If not thank heaven's she has reached these dizzy heights on her shear talent alone.

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 8:32 am

smudge wrote:Has there ever been a more disgusting post than this.

What, today?

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 8:36 am

Thank heaven's they didn't breed.
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Jeremy Corbyn 'showed off a naked Diane Abbott to impress his Left-wing activist friends' after breakdown of his first marriage

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Jeremy Corbyn showed off Diane Abbott while she was naked in his bed to impress his Left-wing activist friends following the breakdown of his first marriage, a new book has claimed.

The Labour leader - who has been married three times - invited pals round to his London flat before they discovered Ms Abbott in his bed, one friend claims.

According to Comrade Corbyn - a biography on Corbyn by leader Rosa Prince - the incident took place in 1979 when he split from his first wife Jane Chapman.

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In the book, which is being serialised by The Telegraph, one Labour figure claims a group of party activists were told to attend Corbyn's bedsit to pick up campaign leaflets before they discovered Ms Abbott in bed.

The witness said: 'One Sunday autumn morning, he had broken up with Jane [Chapman, his first wife], and we were out leafleting. And for some reason he called four or five of us and said: 'Oh, we've got to go back to my flat and pick up some leaflets.'

'It seemed a bit odd – 'Why the hell didn't you bring them with you, Jeremy?' So we all bowl along to his bedsit, follow Jeremy into the room; there on the mattress on the floor in the one room is Diane with the duvet up to her neck, saying: 'What the ****'s going on?''

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Corbyn and Ms Abbott had a brief relationship in the late 1970s when he was a councillor in Haringey, North London.

Mr Corbyn was separated from his first wife, Professor Chapman, a fellow Labour councillor he had married in 1974.

Professor Chapman said she married Corbyn for his 'honesty' and 'principles', but admitted his intense dedication to Left-wing politics eventually became too much.

A party colleague of Mr Corbyn and his former wife, both 66, said Professor Chapman had hoped they would be reconciled but believed his burgeoning relationship with Ms Abbott, 61, made their divorce inevitable.

TIMELINE: CORBYN'S LOVE LIFE

1974: First up the aisle with Jeremy Corbyn was 24-year-old academic Jane Chapman. They met while working on Labour's election campaign.

1979: Fed up with coming second to politics, his habit of eating cold baked beans from the tin and never once being taken out for dinner, Jane Chapman left Corbyn. 'The problem is that his politics are to the exclusion of other kinds of human activities, such as going out for a meal, to the cinema or buying clothes,' she said recently.

Mid-1980s: He met second wife, Claudia Bracchitta, an exiled Chilean designer, while listening to a speech by old friend Ken Livingstone and they later marry.

1999: After three sons, Corbyn split from his second wife. One reason for the marriage's failure, she said, was disagreement about whether son Ben should go to grammar school. Ben ended up going to Queen Elizabeth's Grammar School in Barnet.

2013: Jeremy secretly married Laura Alvarez, a coffee importer 20 years his junior, in her native Mexico. Two years on, he's leader of Her Majesty's Opposition.

The love affair only lasted a year but the pair continued to be friends - a companionship which still lasts today.

Mr Corbyn's first wife had also previously claimed that he was known to eat cold baked beans out of a tin and never took her out for out for dinner in their five years of marriage.

'He was out most evenings because when we weren't at meetings he would go to the Labour headquarters and do photocopying - in those days you couldn't print because there were no computers', she recalled in an interview.

Mr Corbyn 'had quite a good appetite, but he didn't mind what the food was because he couldn't be bothered to give it the time. So he would just grab a can of beans and eat it straight from the can', Prof Chapman said.

Miss Abbott was working at the National Council for Civil Liberties when she is believed to have begun her relationship with Mr Corbyn. Friends said the couple made no secret of their affair and Miss Abbott regularly stayed at Mr Corbyn's home.

The new Labour leader was elected as MP for Islington North in 1983 and four years later Miss Abbott won the neighbouring constituency of Hackney North and Stoke Newington, becoming the first black woman MP.

Mr Corbyn married for the second time in 1987, to Claudia Bracchitta, having met the exiled Chilean designer while listening to a speech by Ken Livingstone – then leader of Greater London Council.

The pair had three sons. Their middle son, Seb, helped run his leadership campaign and works for hard-Left Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell.

In 1999 Corbyn split from his second wife and one reason for the marriage's failure, she said, was disagreement about how son Ben should be schooled.
But of a long read but he's been round a bit.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:05 am

smudge wrote:Has there ever been a more disgusting post than this.

Not been here long then?

Could you explain please because I have read it and re read it and I’m struggling to find what you have.

smudge · Post by **smudge** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:31 am

bobinho wrote:Not been here long then?

Could you explain please because I have read it and re read it and I’m struggling to find what you have.

If you don't find the use of that sort of language offensive good for you.

Foulthrow · Post by **Foulthrow** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:13 am

IanMcL wrote:Just fake news, as Mr T would say in the USA. In Mr Corbyn's case, all publicity is good publicity.

Fake news?

Quit your jibba jabba fool.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:17 am

So she’s disgustingly hypocritical, and sent her lad to a private school even though it’s against her principles?

He pointed that out. He didn’t call her black, fat or anything else. Just what exactly are you getting upset about? Is it because he used a word at the end to describe her? Bloody hell, plenty of people get called that day in and day out.

And on the subject of boris or abbot, I’d prefer it to be a “neither” as opposed to “or”. Boris is undoubtedly a buffoon, but he’s educated. Abbot is stupid and inarticulate. Every time she opens her mouth, another nail is driven home. I want an electable labour government, but there won’t/ can’t be one with her in it.

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:22 am

A few of you getting all snowflakey over Dianne Abbot. I can't say I'm a fan of the private school hypocrisy, but if it makes Electro so angry I can only imagine the hatred he has for Boris Johnson's career of self interest. Personally I rate her a lot higher than Johnson for intellect (she's never suggested building a bridge across the English Channel!), and for good character. If Johnson becomes PM, Corbyn's private life will look like that of a saint in contrast to the serial cheater.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:47 am

AndrewJB wrote:A few of you getting all snowflakey over Dianne Abbot. I can't say I'm a fan of the private school hypocrisy, but if it makes Electro so angry I can only imagine the hatred he has for Boris Johnson's career of self interest. Personally I rate her a lot higher than Johnson for intellect (she's never suggested building a bridge across the English Channel!), and for good character. If Johnson becomes PM, Corbyn's private life will look like that of a saint in contrast to the serial cheater.

Out of interest, what was wrong with his suggestion about the bridge?

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:50 am

bobinho wrote: Abbot is stupid and inarticulate.

According to wiki she was educated at Newnham College, Cambridge, reading History, so she can't be that thick.

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:57 am

The homeless guy that he loved and cared for so much who died outside a Tube station near parliament was a twice deported Portuguese pedophile who was here illegally.

Wanted to give him a house apparently...

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:03 pm

taio wrote:Out of interest, what was wrong with his suggestion about the bridge?

Labour are often accused of wanting to spend too much money when it comes to things like building social housing, or green energy projects, however with these things there's a clear return on investment. Johnson's bridge over the busiest waterway in the world, at a time we have foodbanks and a housing crisis, and a creaking healthcare system - what planet is he on? Although I live in London I agree very much that not enough public money is spent in the North of the country, and this would just be another example of the bias. Johnson has form with this - consider the garden bridge he sank millions of public money into that hasn't happened.

If you think it's a good idea, I'm happy to read what you have to say.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:05 pm

taio wrote:Out of interest, what was wrong with his suggestion about the bridge?

A bit like his cable car across the Thames - a complete waste of money.

bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:11 pm

I notice there are never any stories of Teresa May having any friends. Neither Real News nor Fake News can find any.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:36 pm

Spijed wrote:A bit like his cable car across the Thames - a complete waste of money.

Nothing like it. Presume there would substantial economic benefits and revenue.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:46 pm

starting_11 wrote:The homeless guy that he loved and cared for so much who died outside a Tube station near parliament was a twice deported Portuguese pedophile who was here illegally.

Wanted to give him a house apparently...

Source?

I’m guessing the Mail or the Express. After all, you can’t libel the dead so he’s fair game.

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:49 pm

My friends dads butcher told me.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:52 pm

taio wrote:Nothing like it. Presume there would substantial economic benefits and revenue.

Going off the cable car it's provided neither substantial economic benefits or revenue, so why should the bridge be anything other than a vanity project.

The cable car was.

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:55 pm

I don't care. It's really cool.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:00 pm

Spijed wrote:Going off the cable car it's provided neither substantial economic benefits or revenue, so why should the bridge be anything other than a vanity project.

The cable car was.

Probably best checking the economic benefits of say the channel tunnel rather than comparing to a cable car. I presume Boris was simply putting an idea forward and that if anything was to happen in the long term it would require a hugely complex cost benefit analysis.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 3:18 pm

AndrewJB wrote:Corbyn clearly isn't anti-Semitic, and nor is he a 'terrorist sympathiser' (that attack line failed at the last election). In this case he's done nothing wrong. He put time in to support anti-racism in football, and I don't see how that's a bad thing. If you speak to or brush up against someone who has tweeted awful things it doesn't make you complicit. Corbyn will speak with just about anyone - and that is seen as a strength by many of those who support him. He's genuine, and that stands in clear contrast with most of the Tory front bench. JR Mogg is held up as being genuine, but then his beliefs; anti-gay, anti-abortion, anti-tax on the wealthy; were he PM with a majority it wouldn't surprise me if he brought back the workhouse.

If you were a media handler, then yes you would have problems with Corbyn's scruffiness, and the fact the media don't like him, however I'd imagine you'd have a great many more problems trying to spin Boris Johnson's lying, Theresa May's inability to come across as human, or JR Mogg's deeply entrenched Christian beliefs, that are loud and proud when it comes to sexual morality, but curiously absent when it comes to dealing with poverty.

Why aren't Labour further ahead in the polls? They haven't articulated their brexit strategy very well - brexit being the main issue, and the media has gone back to ignoring most of what Corbyn says. Were there an election tomorrow, Labour's manifesto would wipe the floor with the Tory one. And the media would have no choice but to report it fairly. Labour overcame a twenty point deficit in the polls the last time. I wouldn't be surprised to see them increase the difference by a further twenty points in the next one.

Lastly - is Dianne Abbott more of a buffoon than our current foreign secretary?

I have no problem with most of your observations Andrew. However the very point you allude to would for me be the most worrying thing.... pretty much the crux of the problem.... Labour ARE NOT wiping the floor with a Conservative party that has pretty much been in disarray for as much as ten years. Mr Corbyn ticks many many boxes for those desperate for change, but they will not win while they continue to make themselves look stupid by lack of research.... I used Dianne Abbott as an example in chief; she lacks the intelligence to see potential pitfalls and the speed of thought to think on her feet. As a result when her points are attacked she tries to bluster her way through and is torn apart by people who do take the time to do the background work (be them interviewers of politicians). One of my heroes was Michael Foote, He was scruffy and ineluctable because his time had past... had we still been relying on radio he would have wiped the floor with Thatcher. John Smith would also have won had he lived. Unfortunately for Labour they now have two strikes - Callaghan was a disaster and Blair was more Tory than today's Conservative party. Much as a mess as the Tories are in there are a hell of a lot of floating voters who may agree with Labour's policies but will not vote Labour because how can they trust a party when a member of the shadow cabinet regularly struggles with basic maths.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 4:34 pm

A few thoughts:

1) I like Diane Abbott - father and mother arrived in London as immigrants, in a time when "race discrimination" was the norm. Abbott got herself good grammar school education and won a place at Cambridge. Politics - left wing, but had the sense to explain why she was paying for her son to attend a fee paying ("public") school. It's not Abbott's fault that she's in the shadow cabinet - that just reflects on the politics of Corbyn's left wing Labour party.

2) John McDonnell's and Jeremy Corbyn's maths is what we should be worried about. The manifesto may have been, in their words, "fully costed" but they didn't understand that if the government issues bonds then the bonds are government debt, and McDonnell continues to claim that a number of utilities can be nationalised without it costing the government any money.

3) We currently have 3 ways that the country is connected to the continent of Europe: container ships and ferries, aircraft and the channel tunnel. All involve some degree of interruption of the journey and transfer of the cargo (and passengers) between transport modes. A road link directly between the UK and Europe will benefit all the UK - assuming that we all believe that facilitating trade can create economic benefits. There were serious proposals to build a road link at the same time that the tunnel was being discussed. Other countries have built longer bridges than would be required to link the UK and France - and perhaps there would be a tunnel for the middle section because the channel is a very busy shipping route. All feasible - and none of it Johnson's original idea.

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:25 pm

elwaclaret wrote:I have no problem with most of your observations Andrew. However the very point you allude to would for me be the most worrying thing.... pretty much the crux of the problem.... Labour ARE NOT wiping the floor with a Conservative party that has pretty much been in disarray for as much as ten years. Mr Corbyn ticks many many boxes for those desperate for change, but they will not win while they continue to make themselves look stupid by lack of research.... I used Dianne Abbott as an example in chief; she lacks the intelligence to see potential pitfalls and the speed of thought to think on her feet. As a result when her points are attacked she tries to bluster her way through and is torn apart by people who do take the time to do the background work (be them interviewers of politicians). One of my heroes was Michael Foote, He was scruffy and ineluctable because his time had past... had we still been relying on radio he would have wiped the floor with Thatcher. John Smith would also have won had he lived. Unfortunately for Labour they now have two strikes - Callaghan was a disaster and Blair was more Tory than today's Conservative party. Much as a mess as the Tories are in there are a hell of a lot of floating voters who may agree with Labour's policies but will not vote Labour because how can they trust a party when a member of the shadow cabinet regularly struggles with basic maths.

I don't doubt there are a lot of people who don't like Dianne Abbott (though not so many in her riding), Boris Johnson has as many gaffs under his belt, and it could be argued far fewer principles than Abbott, but is given far less of a rough ride. I agree that Labour should be ahead in the polls, but the underlying issues that inflated their figures during the election haven't got any better, and their policies are the only serious path to alleviating them.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:56 pm

if all this turns out to be true btw, then there is no way he could be PM.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:05 pm

AndrewJB wrote:I don't doubt there are a lot of people who don't like Dianne Abbott (though not so many in her riding), Boris Johnson has as many gaffs under his belt, and it could be argued far fewer principles than Abbott, but is given far less of a rough ride. I agree that Labour should be ahead in the polls, but the underlying issues that inflated their figures during the election haven't got any better, and their policies are the only serious path to alleviating them.

But right now Andrew Labour should be totally on top of their game - they have to shift the incumbents, "possession is 9/10ths of the law" and in Government the Tories benefit from "the better the devil you know" vote, which will see them home from nowhere in any election purely because Labour as yet are still scoring own goals almost at the same level as the Tories. Ideology is all very well but when 'you' keep failing to back your ideas with workable ways to implement them you will never be taken seriously by the intellectual A political vote. I hope it changes - it desperately needs to for all our sakes -but until the command are prepared to be more ruthless in giving out rolls to fit people rather than people to fill rolls for "being on message" Labour cannot and in all honesty should not win. And trust me, it gives me no pleasure whatsoever to reach my conclusion. This government (from Cameron's time) have been a shambles. They got away with it because Blair and Brown had prepared the ground with their brand of cosying up to money and they will continue to get away with it until some serious thinkers get into the opposition and they can get beyond paper thin policies that sound good but have little substance or depth when you look behind the label.

Caballo · Post by **Caballo** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:09 pm

smudge wrote:Has there ever been a more disgusting post than this.

Yes, the one above yours!

bluelabrador16 · Post by **bluelabrador16** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 8:13 pm

Lancasterclaret

"if all this turns out to be true btw, then there is no way he could be PM."

Why?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 8:39 pm

Because if it is true, then a lot of his traditional support base that is working class, patriotic labour won't back him.

Course, it has to be true first, and as its the Sun and Guido Fawkes, that isn't a guarantee

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:06 pm

AndrewJB wrote:Is he really Corbyn's new best friend?

The Sun produced another hatchet job the other day; something about Corbyn having tea with a Czech diplomat back in '88. The more they do this the more popular he becomes.

More popular he becomes after feeding intelligence to a hostile state- which the stupid old fart made a habit of? Are you serious?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:51 pm

Shock, horror, etc

Its not exactly what the sun and Guido claimed it was. Well, I'll go to the top of the stairs

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AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:48 pm

Stayingup wrote:More popular he becomes after feeding intelligence to a hostile state- which the stupid old fart made a habit of? Are you serious?

The right wing press has come out with so many of these made up stories that anything negative they have to say about Corbyn simply reinforces his support. Even conservative people I know find them embarrassing. In political terms among a lot of younger people, these sorts of newspapers have ceased to become relevant.