Tactics so disappointing

[claretspice]

Your love child for 1. JBG another.

We didn't have a winger or attacking midfielder with the right defensive skill set to bring on. And both were doing fine anyway.

[Spijed]

When someone thinks Marco Silva is a good manger.....

[jojomk1]

There is a thought that you can make your own luck

But not with tactics like we had today

[fidelcastro]

Don't know, he's a fantastic coach though.... he was sacked from Watford because he gave up when he didn't get his move to Everton.

Yeah... he sounds fantastic

[KRBFC]

And yet we still finished with 93 points, in both seasons we went up, wasn't it?

Isn't relevant to the point I was making, the boring football isn't because we have inferior players because when we played against inferior teams in the Championship we still played the same way.

[Murger]

Hendrick and JBG should have been pulled for GKN and Vokes/Wood.

[Sidney1st]

It's s**t though, it's not even enjoyable, Turf Moor has turned into a graveyard and the football is the shi*test style of play I have ever seen, at least Stoke under Pulis went to aggressively win games we turn up to ''hang in there''. It's just so dull, you know it's dull when the fans can't be arsed to create an atmosphere. It depends on your opinion of the line between performance and result, some will sacrifice all enjoyment and excitement to scrape results, for me it comes to a point where I want more, something I don't think Dyche is capable of.

I just watched Fulham v Wolves, Fulham play some excellent stuff, carved a PL quality side open. Chance after chance pass and move, high tempo. Freedom for attackers to attack, pass through the lines. Basically everything we don't do. Now you will say ''well Fulham play in the Championship'' and I take your point but we played the same hoofball guff in the Championship when we were one of the ''big 4'' in that league.

We already know you're of the opinion we should move on from Dyche, you've made that clear enough.

As for Wolves and Fulham, Wolves are on a good run and have players who're far superior to most in that league so I'd expect them to play better football.

As for hoofball guff, we don't always play hoofball and there are probably stats out there to prove that but you're very anti Dyche agenda driven so this conversation is only going one way for you.

[KRBFC]

When someone thinks Marco Silva is a good manger.....

The media were raving about him, Everton wanted him over Dyche. Watford were excellent under him until he got refused his move to Everton and forced Watford to sack him.

[fidelcastro]

Isn't relevant to the point I was making, the boring football isn't because we have inferior players because when we played against inferior teams in the Championship we still played the same way.

Yes, it is relevant.

We didn't bore our way to the Championship title. We finished with 93 points and scored plenty of goals in the process.

This league is much tougher, and that's why we don't score as many.

Simple really.

[KRBFC]

We already know you're of the opinion we should move on from Dyche, you've made that clear enough.

As for Wolves and Fulham, Wolves are on a good run and have players who're far superior to most in that league so I'd expect them to play better football.

As for hoofball guff, we don't always play hoofball and there are probably stats out there to prove that but you're very anti Dyche agenda driven so this conversation is only going one way for you.

Last year statistically we played the most long balls in the PL, currently we're top of the ''most long balls'' table, again.

[watsonsclarets]

I think we have lots of luck this season most of the 1-0 games could have gone the other way easily. Lets be honest most of our players or half are championship level players.

At the minute the fine margins are going against us.

Dyche is no god he makes mistakes we all do but then again he learning as he goes along.

The issue was the bar was raised to 4th and many really think we should still be there.

For me to use to finish in the top 10 with one of the weakest squads in the division is a great achievement.

I moan and grumble like the best blooming hell the last month and a bit has been boring in times with Cotterball

My worry is i think we are as good as we are going to get in terms of league positions (i never thought in my life time we would ever get back here) that the anti climax.

How can we really move forward from where we are at the minute?.

[Sidney1st]

Last year statistically we played the most long balls in the PL, currently we're top of the ''most long balls'' table, again.

Surprisingly we are still 7th and guaranteed a 3rd year in the PL.

Still above teams who play better football as well.

Hoof ball as you love to call it has its uses and we use it.
We also play some very good football at times, prior to Xmas of course .

I'm more surprised you haven't started to accept how we play yet.

Would you accept hoofball if we finished top 10 for the next few years?

[CrosspoolClarets]

You make your own luck and we got what we deserved which was a point.

We needed two great saves to keep us in it, created little, scored a scrappy goal, and were a little wobbly defensively. They were no better. I was bored to tears, after 4 hours in the car I hoped for better.

Their goal looked like Madley (who may be fit, but is slow in the head) didn’t anticipate where to stand, then our player decided (wrongly) not to pull their man down, then we had one or two further chances to clear. That isn’t all bad luck.

Dyche needs to learn when to put the hammer down and kill a game off. That isn’t to say he isn’t doing a fine job overall, but scoring more than one goal at home just once by March is asking for trouble.

[Stayingup]

We are so naive. Having a corner in the 89th minute we should have taken it short and got another. So naive. And also I think the oft maligned Bardsley would have committed a foul to stop there goal after the unfortunate intervention by the referee. Repeat far too naive. We need a Barton to make us more street wise.

[KRBFC]

Surprisingly we are still 7th and guaranteed a 3rd year in the PL.

Still above teams who play better football as well.

Hoof ball as you love to call it has its uses and we use it.
We also play some very good football at times, prior to Xmas of course .

I'm more surprised you haven't started to accept how we play yet.

Would you accept hoofball if we finished top 10 for the next few years?

I thought we played some good stuff over a spell and praised Dyche, we've soon reverted back to hoofball though.

If the stats I'm reading don't include today's game then on average we have played 81.3 long balls per game. If the stats do include todays game then we've hoofed it 78.4 times per game on average. We have played the 2nd lowest successful passes this season.

We have managed just 86 shots on target this season.

[BabylonClaret]

Look - the only sub likely to happen after we went 1-0 up was to see the game out. Dyche makes that sub and we get the same bad luck and then everyone is moaning that Dyche shouldn't have changed it.

We had chances enough to win that game comfortably - like Spice says we've a lack of confidence at the moment due to the run - specially Jeff who had 3 great opportunities to get a shot off in the area but failed to do so. JBG and Ash both wasted free headers as well.

We're playing ok - today we played some great one touch passing at times and mucyh less direct than we were against Swanmsea. The late equaliser has made it feel like a loss though.

[Sidney1st]

I thought we played some good stuff over a spell and praised Dyche, we've soon reverted back to hoofball though.

If the stats I'm reading don't include today's game then on average we have played 81.3 long balls per game. If the stats do include todays game then we've hoofed it 78.4 times per game on average. We have played the 2nd lowest successful passes this season.

We have managed just 86 shots on target this season.

86 shots and still 7th, simply amazing.
78.4 long balls a game on average and still 7th, amazing.

If you want cheering up look for Everton fans on Twitter, they hate their style off football more than you hate ours and that's saying something.

[KRBFC]

86 shots and still 7th, simply amazing.
78.4 long balls a game on average and still 7th, amazing.

If you want cheering up look for Everton fans on Twitter, they hate their style off football more than you hate ours and that's saying something.

I don't think football fans enjoy the Allardyce/Dyche/Pulis football, fans of top 6 clubs in the Championship wouldn't swap their current manager for Dyche.

[Bin Ont Turf]

I see that all the proper trumpets are out tonight.

You could wake up from a 6 month coma and know exactly what's going on with Burnley when you see Skipton, Murger, Summit, Boysie and the real lunatic KBRFC logged on.

[Spijed]

I don't think football fans enjoy the Allardyce/Dyche/Pulis football, fans of top 6 clubs in the Championship wouldn't swap their current manager for Dyche.

Are you really suggesting Neil Warnock is a manager who likes to play football, rather than being direct?

I've heard it all from you!

[Sidney1st]

I don't think football fans enjoy the Allardyce/Dyche/Pulis football, fans of top 6 clubs in the Championship wouldn't swap their current manager for Dyche.

Looking at Dyche's record for getting out of that league and now staying up I think you're wrong.

Of course you'll disagree.

[GDK]

The only sub I'd have considered was Vokes for a tiring Hendrick, after we scored. This would however have made no difference to the events leading up to their equaliser. Tactics were fine. This is a really tough league this year with decent sides in the relegation scrap, and to think we should be walking over the likes of Southampton is nonsense.

[Blackrod]

I think we got what we deserved today. A draw was a fair result really. They aren't great and we weren't much better. We could have been more positive.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

I don't think football fans enjoy the Allardyce/Dyche/Pulis football, fans of top 6 clubs in the Championship wouldn't swap their current manager for Dyche.

No I’m sure those fans would for example love finishing 6th and not get promoted instead of having a manager who has got a team promoted twice automatically for example.

If Silva offered his services however I’m sure they’d bite his hand off for that ‘sexy’ football that guarantees points.

[KRBFC]

Looking at Dyche's record for getting out of that league and now staying up I think you're wrong.

Of course you'll disagree.

I wont argue against your opinion.

[claret54]

Tactics today were fine. Same tactics as we have played in many games this season and won 1-0.
We were unlucky that ref got in the way of Westwood. Dyche would have made subs if game had remained 0-0. But no need to change at 1-0.

Yes it would have been great to get another win but we are doing extremely well this season. We are 7th in the Premier League which means we are the top club outside the big six. Lets keep supporting Dyche and our players. UTC

[beddie]

Hendrick is playing out of position and therefore receiving unnecessary stick. The bottom line is we looked laboured, dare I say it tired, leggy, call it want you want. I love Dyche but I can't understand the lack if substitutes, even at 1-0 up I thought he would bring on another striker and get that second goal, or at least kill the game. Westwood and Cork are no good together. We really do miss that clever brain of Defour.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Hendrick is playing out of position and therefore receiving unnecessary stick. The bottom line is we looked laboured, dare I say it tired, leggy, call it want you want. I love Dyche but I can't understand the lack if substitutes, even at 1-0 up I thought he would bring on another striker and get that second goal, or at least kill the game. Westwood and Cork are no good together. We really do miss that clever brain of Defour.

And Brady.

[jlup1980]

I'm a big fan of SD but he is still very naive at times. Today was a shambles tactically. We never controlled the game from where I was sat. We basically played poorly against a side devoid of confidence, flair or passion. In fact it was like watching two sides of the same coin in a lot of ways.

A couple of things that really frustrated me were Lennon on the left (quite frankly don't play him if you're going to play him on the left, it's like we actually want to nullify our attacking options!) and Hendrick showing time and time again why he's not a number 10. He got into a lot of good positions and I'm not going to knock his workrate but he just doesn't have fast enough feet for the position. The ball constantly gets stuck under his feet and moves break down. How Wood or Vokes and Nkoudou didn't get on is beyond me. The game was there to be won and we threw it away, not the referee, us.

On the topic of Nkoudou can we just send him back now? He's clearly never going to get a kick so what's the point. It seems to be a consistent approach of Dyche to bring in loan players and then ignore them. The lad is a talent and he should be utilised, even if only in cameos. I'm damn sure he'd be more useful down the left than Lennon!

[Vino blanco]

Fair result today. They are a very average side with very average centre backs, though we put them under no real pressure with our one man up front. We are too negative at home, Hendrick is lost in this role and Sean Dyche's use or non use of substitutions leaves me baffled.

[ElectroClaret]

I see that all the proper trumpets are out tonight.

You could wake up from a 6 month coma and know exactly what's going on with Burnley when you see Skipton, Murger, Summit, Boysie and the real lunatic KBRFC logged on.

Yep, throbbers to a man.

[agreenwood]

Confidence AG. Without it, we look a bit clunky in attack, particularly with Westwood and Lennon bedding in. Win a game and like every team since the dawn of time, we will be a different proposition.

I'm baffled by the lack of tolerance for the importance of confidence. We've had a tough, unlucky run and got another bad break today. Of course that takes its toll.

Probably frustration. Clearly we’re having a good season overall, which has surpassed our expectations, but people still want to be entertained.

We’ve scored 10 goals in 14 home games this season. That’s the lowest in the league and an even lower goals to games ratio than in Cotterill’s first season, where goals were like goldust.

[RVclaret]

Don't know, he's a fantastic coach though.... he was sacked from Watford because he gave up when he didn't get his move to Everton.

Don’t know about you but I really couldn’t be arsed having a coach who just ‘gives up’ on my team as soon as his name gets mentioned in the papers for a move.

[RingoMcCartney]

Don't know, he's a fantastic coach though.... he was sacked from Watford because he gave up when he didn't get his move to Everton.

It's funny you should say that. Cos Watford have a habit of sacking managers. They once sacked one who's now managing a side who currently sit above Everton.....

[Lancasterclaret]

There are people who only post on here to whinge. You'll have to ask them why they do it.

Lots of people criticise and make fair points, but there are a select few who really need to look at the bigger picture

[boatshed bill]

There are people who only post on here to whinge. You'll have to ask them why they do it.

Lots of people criticise and make fair points, but there are a select few who really need to look at the bigger picture

All well and good if you are prepared to accept that a 10 game (or more) winless run is included in what you call the bigger picture.
If we start next season on our current form, and are bottom after 12 games, will you still be as happy?

[quoonbeatz]

If we were bottom after 12 games and then reproduced our early season form and finished top half, would you not be happy?

Doesn't matter where or when you get the points as long as you get them.

[boatshed bill]

If we were bottom after 12 games and then reproduced our early season form and finished top half, would you not be happy?

Doesn't matter where or when you get the points as long as you get them.

I think it does matter.

[Tall Paul]

I think it does matter.

Why?

[quoonbeatz]

In what way?

[boatshed bill]

Because if we only had six points from the first twelve games I very much doubt that we'd have the collective ability to turn it round.

[RingoMcCartney]

All well and good if you are prepared to accept that a 10 game (or more) winless run is included in what you call the bigger picture.
If we start next season on our current form, and are bottom after 12 games, will you still be as happy?

"If we start next season on our current form"

We will start next season in the Premier League.

Get to bed....

[boatshed bill]

"If we start next season on our current form"

We will start next season in the Premier League.

Get to bed....

Daft comment at the end, never mind, perhaps you are tired

[quoonbeatz]

Because if we only had six points from the first twelve games I very much doubt that we'd have the collective ability to turn it round.

Even with a fully fit squad that had presumably been improved in the summer transder window?

[RingoMcCartney]

Daft comment at the end, never mind, perhaps you are tired

Maybe Bill. Maybe.

Shortly, we'll both be off to bed.

Only one of us will be smiling.

Sleep well Ebenezer.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Constructive criticism like our lack of goals and creativity gets taken over unfortunately on here by a dozen or so brain doners who empty the Kleenex section in every Burnley supermarket to aid their Dyche out Silva in dream.

[cricketfieldclarets]

Who?

Hendrick.
Possibly Lennon.
Lowton wasnt great either.

[cricketfieldclarets]

We didn't have a winger or attacking midfielder with the right defensive skill set to bring on. And both were doing fine anyway.

Defensive skill? We are at home against a team devoid of confidence in the bottom 3. Why do they need defensive skill?

[lakesider]

We are less than 1% likely to be relegated. Should we be using these tactics at home against a side tipped for relegation at this point in the season? SD's uber caution worries me at times. There is absolutely no commitment to demonstrate what we can do as an attacking side. And SD doesn't seem at all worried that the supporters are getting tired of watching turgid play when we all know we can do a lot better. All I saw today (again) was a talented Burnley side resorting to back passes under no pressure because one assumes that's what they have been told to do. And how many minutes of hoofing it up to Ashley do we need to watch before someone realises that tactic wasn't working? I get the ethos of doing the necessary to get to safety but I think we're probably there. Time to entertain Sean.

[cricketfieldclarets]

Oh. And goal aside barnes was ****.