UK Car Industry Investment Plummets Due To Brexit

[JohnMcGreal]

It was obviously a generalisation johnmcgreal.
Are you going to chase me around the messageboard until I find some actual figures about people not wanting to be told how to live?

So you were just posting nonsense, then. Thanks for the clarification.

[Damo]

So you were just posting nonsense, then. Thanks for the clarification.

Just sniping as per usual and not challenging my point?
Par for the course johnmcgreal

[Damo]

Are you sure?
From the most recent stats I can find almost 60% of cars manufactured in the UK are exported to the EU.
By contrast approx 1 in 7 German cars are exported to the UK.(Around 15%)
In numerical terms we export just under 800,000 to the EU and the Germans export just over 800,000 to the UK.
So basically my point stands that the Germans could potentially sell virtually all the cars they currently export to the UK within the EU if tariffs are applied to cars manufactured in the UK and demand thus goes down.
So far as new markets worldwide are concerned, I think you'll find that by the time we get to the sun-loungers they will already have German towels all over them. They are miles ahead of us.

Finally someone explains why car manufacturers are concerned about Brexit.
Thank you

[aggi]

Just sniping as per usual and not challenging my point?
Par for the course johnmcgreal

That's ballsy. Making stuff up, being called out on it and then complaining people aren't addressing the stuff you made up.

[Walton]

Rich of Damo to moan about sniping.

[Damo]

That's ballsy. Making stuff up, being called out on it and then complaining people aren't addressing the stuff you made up.

Feel free to challenge my actual point.
I'll wait...

[Damo]

Here's a snap shot of Corbyns socialist utopia of Venuzuela
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Not true socialism obviously (Not that it's failed)

[aggi]

Feel free to challenge my actual point.
I'll wait...

Wasn't your point 90% of the world's population want to be free from governance which was made up.

I guess the obvious argument is that if 90% of the world's population wanted to be free from governance then why are they not? It's a huge majority to be subjugated.

[Lancasterclaret]

I'm quite surprised that 90% of the worlds population are in favour of some anarchic free for all to be honest.

Still, I do live in an elite remainer bubble and I read stuff about Brexit, so I might well have missed that.

[dsr]

Fair enough I got the percentage of exports and percentage of cars produced mixed up, but nonetheless it's 56% of our exports that currently go to the EU, which is the majority, and hell of a lot of cars.
According to the figures that I can find it's just over 750,000, which is only about 50,000 less than the Germans export to us, so whilst potentially (under WTO rule)s German cars might be more expensive in the UK, our cars would equally be be more expensive in the EU, so there is a potential opening for more sales within the EU for the Germans to compensate.
Whether we would find a market for 750,000 vehicles outside the EU - I've no idea, but if that market were there, then I suspect that the Germans would be in there ahead of us.

That's correct. Our exports to Germany would drop, causing a gap in the market for German manufacturers; our imports from Germany would drop, causing a gap in the market for British manufacturers. With three quarters of a million cars going each way, if there is a tariff war, I expect that both sides would be affected about equally.

[Mansfield-Claret]

There are other manufacturers in the world of cars aside from those already here.

Did you know Ford moved production of the Transit to Turkey in 2013, due to cheaper costs?
That was nothing to do with Brexit what so ever, just running costs were cheaper in Turkey.

it was before 2013, as my new van 60 (2010) reg was built in turkey, waited 4 months for it

[Sidney1st]

PSA, the owners of Vauxhall, have surprisingly commited to carrying on with the production of Vauxhall Vivaro at its Luton factory.
This guarantees 1300 jobs with work until approximately 2030.

Potentially there could also be scope for new Peugeot/Citroen branded vans to be built there also.

They've commited despite uncertainty over Brexit.

Ellesmere Port factory is hoping for similar news.

[Herts Clarets]

PSA, the owners of Vauxhall, have surprisingly commited to carrying on with the production of Vauxhall Vivaro at its Luton factory.
This guarantees 1300 jobs with work until approximately 2030.

Potentially there could also be scope for new Peugeot/Citroen branded vans to be built there also.

They've commited despite uncertainty over Brexit.

Ellesmere Port factory is hoping for similar news.

Yeah but Blue Passports. Brexit. Doomsday. Surely this can't be true?

[Lancasterclaret]

A lot of the debate was to do with the fears of a "No deal" Brexit.

That is looking very unlikely now, and any good news is more than welcome.

[Pstotto]

The idiocy of contemporary car design is incredible and motorbikes too. I cannot comprehend the ignorance of the designers and their conceit. I live above a main road and can see the cars pass by. Virtually no car passes any kind of aesthetic test at all. The Skoda Octavia looks like a saloon car. Apart from that it is a joke parade.

There IS the know-how in England to design and build new cars and new makes for a world leading Brexit Britain.

I would have a nationlized car industry along the lines of East Germany and the Trabant.

This is your need and this the car for that need. One range of models for everyone and that's that.

[aggi]

it was before 2013, as my new van 60 (2010) reg was built in turkey, waited 4 months for it

The majority of transits were already being built in Turkey, the UK plant was much smaller before they decided to consolidate it all in Turkey.

[Sidney1st]

PSA left the UK, that's what I wrote.

Vauxhall will probably wander off too at some point, I wouldn't be surprised because PSA don't want to build cars over here.
My apologies for not making that clearer for you.

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Announcements that Vauxhall / Opel is slimming down it's dealer network across Europe.
Don't be surprised if some Vaxuhall dealerships merge with a nearby Citroen/Peugeot dealership.

This is part of a stragey to halt the decline in sales of Vauxhall, something that was going on before Brexit was voted on, some of it will be due to diesel regulations and other things that have been discussed through out this thread.