ARTICLE: Cotterill follows Coyle back in work

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:07 pm

Birmingham now bottom, Cotterill still a decent manager?

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:25 pm

Any Cotterill defenders left ?

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:27 pm

I note that both Birmingham and Ross County are now bottom of their respective divisions.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:50 pm

joey13 wrote:Any Cotterill defenders left ?

I'm neither pro or con Cotterill but he was dealt a crap hand and he hasn't had a window yet.
Give the guy a chance.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:56 pm

piston broke wrote:I'm neither pro or con Cotterill but he was dealt a crap hand and he hasn't had a window yet.
Give the guy a chance.

That’s exactly what some supporters said when he was at Burnley 19 games without a win , he’s a poor manager and will take Brum down.

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:57 pm

He’s had several chances at different clubs. He’s a failure at championship level. A serial loser.

Coyle is also a serial loser but he has at least been a winner at champ level

Conroy92 · Post by **Conroy92** » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:58 pm

What's worse, people who think Cotterill was ok or the people revelling in his downfall?

Seriously, the football was **** and his time came with the **** run of form but he signed some decent players and kept us in the league for a short while.
I don't understand why people are so happy for him to fail? Coyle I get but cut Cotterill some slack.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Tue Dec 26, 2017 7:01 pm

Conroy92 wrote:What's worse, people who think Cotterill was ok or the people revelling in his downfall?

Seriously, the football was **** and his time came with the **** run of form but he signed some decent players and kept us in the league for a short while.
I don't understand why people are so happy for him to fail? Coyle I get but cut Cotterill some slack.

Maybe if he didn’t make statements about being good enough to be England manager and being an arrogant prick has something to do with it.

Herts Clarets · Post by **Herts Clarets** » Tue Dec 26, 2017 7:25 pm

joey13 wrote:Maybe if he didn’t make statements about being good enough to be England manager and being an arrogant prick has something to do with it.

To be fair he probably is good enough to manage England. ...

Dy1geo · Post by **Dy1geo** » Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:33 pm

2 wins on the bounce now for Cotterill!!

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:16 pm

Dy1geo wrote:2 wins on the bounce now for Cotterill!!

And no wins in 9 for Judas. Moving them from 8th in the table to rock bottom.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 12:47 pm

piston broke wrote:I'm neither pro or con Cotterill but he was dealt a crap hand and he hasn't had a window yet.
Give the guy a chance.

Hate to say it but Birmingham fans have turned ugly, not that they weren’t before legend in his own lunchtime went there obviously.

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 12:59 pm

joey13 wrote:Hate to say it but Birmingham fans have turned ugly, not that they weren’t before legend in his own lunchtime went there obviously.

Christ, the football is so crap it's turning their fans into munters?

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 2:36 pm

Bottles and season tickets thrown at Cotterill after another defeat.

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Sat Mar 03, 2018 6:54 pm

Sacked. No surprises there

Cotterill follows Coyle back out of work

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Mar 03, 2018 7:03 pm

Gotta hold my hands up and admit I was wrong when I laughed at the posters who were positive he wouldnt take them down. Looks like they were right all along

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Sat Mar 03, 2018 7:10 pm

Horseface for Brum?

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sat Mar 03, 2018 7:20 pm

Still a top manager for some on here and himself of course .
Today keeps on getting better and better

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:03 pm

Wonder which poor sods will be lumbered with him next

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:10 pm

Garry Monk in to replace him

Conroy92 · Post by **Conroy92** » Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:14 pm

"Today keeps on getting better and better"
Some strange folk on here. Why revel in his downfall? Coyle I get but Cotterill didnt leave as a villian. The results turned sour but he stedied us up.

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:20 pm

Time they opened a Gastro Pub together and left the managing alone.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:50 pm

Conroy92 wrote:"Today keeps on getting better and better"
Some strange folk on here. Why revel in his downfall? Coyle I get but Cotterill didnt leave as a villian. The results turned sour but he stedied us up.

There are some strange folk on here defending a tosser , well done .
He steadied us up, 19 without a win brilliant

boyyanno · Post by **boyyanno** » Sat Mar 03, 2018 10:16 pm

joey13 wrote:There are some strange folk on here defending a tosser , well done .
He steadied us up, 19 without a win brilliant

Had no money, a very poor side and lost his best player every year. He did very well to keep us up. No need to make a statement on his character or other jobs.

Conroy92 · Post by **Conroy92** » Sat Mar 03, 2018 10:20 pm

You seem bitter about a **** run of form. Was it not about 7 pro players we had when cotterill signed, we were shite, we had no money and we should have been relegated. He made signings that under other mangers made it into promotion winning players, he kept us in the league. A tosser maybe but he did more good than bad for the club and I'll respect that.

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Sat Mar 03, 2018 10:42 pm

I'll never forget how bad the football under Cotterill was, or how much of a tosser he was.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Mar 03, 2018 11:06 pm

Conroy92 wrote:You seem bitter about a **** run of form. Was it not about 7 pro players we had when cotterill signed, we were shite, we had no money and we should have been relegated. He made signings that under other mangers made it into promotion winning players, he kept us in the league. A tosser maybe but he did more good than bad for the club and I'll respect that.

He did well the first season but id rather inherit 7 players and be able to bring in my own players than inherit 18 players who i had to offload before i could even start to build my own team.

As for no money our major weakness the previous season was at center half and he was able to sign McGreal and Sinclair who would have been on good money for the Championship in those days.

Id guess the animosity towards him is a combination of the turgid football he subjected us to, his horrible personality and the way that history has been rewritten on this messageboard where in the past negative views of him were often censored and posters banned for disagreeing with the almighty leader

I enjoy the posts about Coyle and Cotteril and seeing how desperate and worked up some posters get still get about it all

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Sat Mar 03, 2018 11:09 pm

You’d imagine he’s now finished at Championship level.

Only so many times you can be sacked without any notable successes.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:12 am

Fixed the thread title

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Sun Mar 04, 2018 3:38 am

The man was a bell and the footy was shite, but he came in under shite conditions and steadied us.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:35 am

Needs to be a coach rather than a manager

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:39 am

his record at League One and below is excellent.

his record at championship level isn't.

he'll still get work, and at a level where he can have success.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:58 am

Ouch!

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joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sun Mar 04, 2018 11:46 am

boyyanno wrote:Had no money, a very poor side and lost his best player every year. He did very well to keep us up. No need to make a statement on his character or other jobs.

And Coyle got promotion with more or less the same squad
No need to make a statement on his character,? someone else who doesn’t understand the concept of a messageboard

boyyanno · Post by **boyyanno** » Sun Mar 04, 2018 3:57 pm

joey13 wrote:And Coyle got promotion with more or less the same squad
No need to make a statement on his character,? someone else who doesn’t understand the concept of a messageboard

I do understand the concept of a message board, I'm just surprised at the amount of buffoons on here. Of course his character is irrelevant to me, I judge him on the job he did here. Do you believe Coyle would have won promotion if he stepped in when Cotterill did? Of course you don't. The club was in a better position when he left than when he started, in football that is pretty much a success. I don't understand the need to follow his career and revel in his failures, plenty of two hats have been through the turf and few treated as strangely as him.

The football was awful at the end, but he did what he was signed to do and laid the foundation that made all this possible. I'll remember him as an important part of our history.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:21 pm

boyyanno wrote:I do understand the concept of a message board, I'm just surprised at the amount of buffoons on here. Of course his character is irrelevant to me, I judge him on the job he did here. Do you believe Coyle would have won promotion if he stepped in when Cotterill did? Of course you don't. The club was in a better position when he left than when he started, in football that is pretty much a success. I don't understand the need to follow his career and revel in his failures, plenty of two hats have been through the turf and few treated as strangely as him.

The football was awful at the end, but he did what he was signed to do and laid the foundation that made all this possible. I'll remember him as an important part of our history.

I’m pleased you thought he was a good manager, he got the sack you know and has preceded to get the sack at every other club he’s worked .

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:24 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Ouch!

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He's not changed then...

His 26 matches in charge have been plagued with questionable team selections, ineffective game management and a complete inability to build a bond with the fans.

His prickly nature, woe-is-me negativity and refusal to take responsibility for any of our problems have slowly but surely chewed away at any positive feelings anyone had towards him.

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:24 pm

Cotterill is a great manager as long as you don't worry about the scoring goals part. I remember the night in Wolverhampton when, in order to protect a 1-0 lead, he pulled off every player that even remotely resembled an attacker, and we ended up in what looked like a 7-3-0 formation. White knuckles stuff, that.

boyyanno · Post by **boyyanno** » Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:58 pm

joey13 wrote:I’m pleased you thought he was a good manager, he got the sack you know and has preceded to get the sack at every other club he’s worked .

Have you seen what teams he has managed? Most of them had serious problems with finance/owners. He left nearly all of them in a better position than he found them. He kept Forest up, he took Bristol city up. Most managers tenures end in a sacking. I don't think he is a "good manager". I haven't said that anywhere. I do think he did a decent job for us given the circumstances, and for that he earns my respect.

Hence my original point of I think it wierd people revelling in his failures. I understand how bad the football was, I was there. He was certainly a bit odd, but for a short while he wanted exactly the same thing we did, and that was success for us. He didn't achieve it, but he also kept us up at a pivotal time in our history and built a solid platform for us to build on, somthing we did not have at the time. He did that with next to no money. We were forced to sell our best players and yet he kept us in the league. I think he's better off in League One based on how his career has panned out but to ridicule him is just strange. He deserves better, he's no Coyle and he certainly wasn't the failure Laws was.

Deserves respect for Duff regardless of any of the above and anything anyone says.

dandeclaret · Post by **dandeclaret** » Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:17 pm

Hold on lads...... without his bridge - there'd be no new training ground.

The crucifier, bymotp fun times on the message board, less so wherever Burnley were playing. Unless you were betting on the pigeons doing a lap of the turf, or excited by a crisp packet blowing down the pitch.

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:28 pm

What interests me here is the number of people who talk about Cotterill's personality. Does anyone of you know him? I don't, but I used to work with someone who played alongside him at Bournemouth, and he said he was a fantastic bloke.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:43 pm

Quicknick wrote:What interests me here is the number of people who talk about Cotterill's personality. Does anyone of you know him? I don't, but I used to work with someone who played alongside him at Bournemouth, and he said he was a fantastic bloke.

Met him once in a Bristol hotel which was enough.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:45 pm

boyyanno wrote:Have you seen what teams he has managed? Most of them had serious problems with finance/owners. He left nearly all of them in a better position than he found them. He kept Forest up, he took Bristol city up. Most managers tenures end in a sacking. I don't think he is a "good manager". I haven't said that anywhere. I do think he did a decent job for us given the circumstances, and for that he earns my respect.

Hence my original point of I think it wierd people revelling in his failures. I understand how bad the football was, I was there. He was certainly a bit odd, but for a short while he wanted exactly the same thing we did, and that was success for us. He didn't achieve it, but he also kept us up at a pivotal time in our history and built a solid platform for us to build on, somthing we did not have at the time. He did that with next to no money. We were forced to sell our best players and yet he kept us in the league. I think he's better off in League One based on how his career has panned out but to ridicule him is just strange. He deserves better, he's no Coyle and he certainly wasn't the failure Laws was.

Deserves respect for Duff regardless of any of the above and anything anyone says.

You think not winning for 19 games is doing a decent job , obviously my standards are higher .

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:13 pm

Birmingham are a basket case, and he got left behind holding the bag.