Trump/Russia Dossier

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:32 pm

Greenmile wrote:So you’re just surprised that IT would prefer the same candidate you yourself would?

Eh?
I don't want Clinton as president, I can't stand the woman.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:33 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:If i had more respect for you then i'd be more articulate than to just use those two words, but whatever respect remained was lost when i saw your post from a few weeks ago misrepresenting my opinion in a way that can only have been intentional.

In other news I'll sleep well tonight because not having respect from you isn't a life changing issue for me.

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:37 pm

Waiting for Imploding Turtle to respond to bluelabrador16.

Come on I haven't got all night.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:38 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Eh?
I don't want Clinton as president, I can't stand the woman.

The context of the discussion was which you would prefer out of an actual sexual predator and someone who covered up the sexual predation of her husband. You created (or at least acceded to) that context with the two statements I quoted in my last post where you spoke about IT “preferring” and “rather having” one over the other.

Not voting is not an option in that context.

So can you clarify for me which of the two you would prefer?

Edit - I realise that it’s “punch in the face or kick in the balls?” type of question, but that’s how preferences work (I’d go with the punch in the face, in case you’re interested)

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:41 pm

Sidney1st wrote:In other news I'll sleep well tonight because not having respect from you isn't a life changing issue for me.

And i'll sleep well knowing i'm not a piece of **** who would lie about others to third parties.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:48 pm

Lied?

Or misquoted?

Let me know which you decide on to suit yourself.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:56 pm

Sidney1st wrote:The attitude of the remainers is better is it overall?

Turtle thinks leave voters are stupid because they didn't have Uni degrees therefore their research was flawed.

I have been crystal ******* clear about my opinion on how and why remain voters were better informed as to the facts of Brexit prior to the referendum. I have been at pains to make sure that there can be no room for misinterpretation regarding my opinion.
I have been so clear about it that the only reason anyone could even want to post this about me and my opinion would be if they simply were too stupid to function as a human being, or if they were doing it deliberately.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:01 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I have been crystal ******* clear about my opinion on how and why remain voters were better informed as to the facts of Brexit prior to the referendum. I have been at pains to make sure that there can be no room for misinterpretation regarding my opinion.
I have been so clear about it that the only reason anyone could even want to post this about me and my opinion would be if they simply were too stupid to function as a human being, or if they were doing it deliberately.

Yeah you made it crystal ******* clear alright, people with degrees mainly voted remain and due to having degrees their research abilities were better so allegedly they were better informed.

You must have a bloody big nose because you spend a lot of time looking down it at other people.

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:07 am

CrosspoolClarets wrote:Putin quite obviously gets up to all sorts, but having listened to a few hours of interviews between him and Oliver Stone in that series that was on Sky Atlantic last year, I couldn’t help but agree with a lot of his points.

Wait, so you watched a series of interviews from a naive, conspiratorially-inclined film maker with a renowned master propagandist and you still somehow left your critical thinking skills at the title credits? Have you considered that you may have been played?...

CrosspoolClarets wrote:I don’t agree at all with fiddling in elections over here, but no doubt we get up to the same all over the world, ensuring leaders of our choice get in.

Ah...okay. No need to answer that.

In case you were wondering, Putin, like most authoritarian dictators, has been trading on dubious false equivalences for decades. In Putin's case, though, it usually (hitherto) only appeals to Russian nationalists. He knows value for money, you can't deny that.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:54 am

The point I was making (which Spiral has highlighted so much better than me) is that he's doing what you also want, so it suddenly becomes alright.

Meddled in elections? No probs, we got Brexit anyway

Most of us used to be able to join up the rather massive dots that creates but since Brexit? (and the same in the states with Trumps election)

And that raises a shed load of questions about how democracy is viewed by those people, which we've already seen in the 18 months since both votes.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:36 pm

Steve Bannon "ordered to testify before a Grand Jury" to answer questions
regarding the alleged Russian collusion in the US election. (BBC/C4 news)

A big development, apparently.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:01 pm

I wouldn't say it's a big development. It makes perfect sense that the leading campaign staff will eventually all be subpoenaed to testify. It just means the investigation is moving ahead.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:09 pm

has he gone yet ?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:11 am

Trump ordered Mueller fired in June.
This is pretty remarkable.

https://nyti.ms/2GhaSUD" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:54 am

Trump has, of course, denied it. He called it lügenpresse, as fascists are prone to do. But aside from obviously being full of ****, it's not "fake news". The Meuller investigation has had this information for months before the New York Times reported it to the public. So what do you think is more likely, that someone has deliberately mislead the Meuller investigation in this way, or that a proven liar who has lied over 2000 times in his first year in office is once again lying?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42827507" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:06 am

Fascinating

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:20 am

randomclaret2 wrote:Fascinating

Indeed.

Here's how the Trump media are twisting themselves into Pretzels just to defend him.
https://mobile.twitter.com/MEPFuller/st ... 0700259329" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:58 pm

Has he not gone yet ?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:53 pm

claretandy wrote:Has he not gone yet ?

Nah, apparently he will be gone before he's completed the first year of office...

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:14 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Nah, apparently he will be gone before he's completed the first year of office...

You keep saying that as if everyone was saying it, and i understand that it's a convenient if dishonest way to deflect attention from actual news, but who actually did say it?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:18 pm

This isn't the only place I frequent.

I know you're hoping he goes, crusading for it and probably disappointed he hasn't gone yet, but I've seen varied comments about how people thought he'd be gone by now.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:40 pm

Sidney1st wrote:This isn't the only place I frequent.

I know you're hoping he goes, crusading for it and probably disappointed he hasn't gone yet, but I've seen varied comments about how people thought he'd be gone by now.

But why are you repeately going on about some people from some other places who were wrong about a prediction? It just seems like your only intention is to derail the conversation, or even prevent one from starting. Why?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:44 pm

I haven't derailed anything, or stopped it.

You'll carry on as normal, so what's the issue?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jan 27, 2018 12:07 am

Sidney1st wrote:I haven't derailed anything, or stopped it.

You'll carry on as normal, so what's the issue?

You haven't derailed it, no. But that's what you're trying to do with your silly posts. Why bother posting in the thread if that's all you're trying to do? You're using the tactics of someone else on this site who is quite extreme in terms of his right-wing politics in their pathetic attempts to defend Trump. So is it any wonder that people like me look at you as being right-wing? This along with your history of apologism when it comes to Trump paints a picture that you seem to deny.

Trump ordered the firing of the man investigating his campaign. If you don't have anything to say about then then why are you bothering to post in reply to it?

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Sat Jan 27, 2018 5:40 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:You haven't derailed it, no. But that's what you're trying to do with your silly posts. Why bother posting in the thread if that's all you're trying to do? You're using the tactics of someone else on this site who is quite extreme in terms of his right-wing politics in their pathetic attempts to defend Trump. So is it any wonder that people like me look at you as being right-wing? This along with your history of apologism when it comes to Trump paints a picture that you seem to deny.

Trump ordered the firing of the man investigating his campaign. If you don't have anything to say about then then why are you bothering to post in reply to it?

Triggered

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:08 am

Right wing, left wing, somewhere in the middle, it's all the same guff to me.

I don't always defend trump, I've just found this last year amusing due to the behaviour of some people to him being POTUS and their inability to function without trawling the internet to find bad things that are said about him.

I'm sure the world will be a much better place when he's finally kicked into touch, I mean it's not like the yanks will suddenly behave themselves and become a stable/calm nation ...

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:10 am

Just incase you weren't sure, I'm neither left or right wing when it comes to politics, I think you're just trying to stick a label on me in an attempt to justify how you speak to me.

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:15 am

I think you've hit the nail on the head Sidney.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:11 am

Sidney1st wrote:Just incase you weren't sure, I'm neither left or right wing when it comes to politics, I think you're just trying to stick a label on me in an attempt to justify how you speak to me.

Hi Sidney

Any chance of an answer to my post #304, please, or is that fence just too comfortable for you?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Jan 27, 2018 12:05 pm

I haven't decided yet.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Sat Jan 27, 2018 12:25 pm

Let me know when you do. Until then, enjoy sniping at both sides without the hardship of having to defend either.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Jan 27, 2018 12:34 pm

Will do, cheers.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jan 27, 2018 6:56 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Just incase you weren't sure, I'm neither left or right wing when it comes to politics, I think you're just trying to stick a label on me in an attempt to justify how you speak to me.

You think i justify how i speak to you by calling you right-wing? You think that the only reason I talk to you the way I do is because i consider you to be right wing?

Bfcboyo · Post by **Bfcboyo** » Sat Jan 27, 2018 7:40 pm

unblock
IT you must have an entire Trump dossier yourself by now. In fact the hours you have put in could make you a few quid. I think you probably know more about him than the CIA with your research.
blocked

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Jan 27, 2018 7:56 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:You think i justify how i speak to you by calling you right-wing? You think that the only reason I talk to you the way I do is because i consider you to be right wing?

Feels like it.

You've little idea of my political leanings unless I volunteer the information myself.
Instead you stick a label on me, and others, and berate us endlessly for thinking differently to you.

It isn't just on this thread, you do it on anything vaguely political.
Fascist, right wing, Nazi etc.

You can carry on judging me, and others, I'll just continue to find it amusing and prod you along occasionally when I think you need helping along.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:08 am

Sidney1st wrote:Feels like it.

You've little idea of my political leanings unless I volunteer the information myself.
Instead you stick a label on me, and others, and berate us endlessly for thinking differently to you.

It isn't just on this thread, you do it on anything vaguely political.
Fascist, right wing, Nazi etc.

You can carry on judging me, and others, I'll just continue to find it amusing and prod you along occasionally when I think you need helping along.

Just because something feels a certain way doesn't mean it is that way.

Stop being an apologist for a fascist and i'll stop assuming you're sympathetic towards that particular wing of the political spectrum.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:09 am

Bfcboyo wrote:unblock
IT you must have an entire Trump dossier yourself by now. In fact the hours you have put in could make you a few quid. I think you probably know more about him than the CIA with your research.
blocked

How much of a coward do you have to be to only be able to communicate with someone if you can prevent yourself being exposed to any kind of responce?

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:52 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:How much of a coward do you have to be to only be able to communicate with someone if you can prevent yourself being exposed to any kind of responce?

'Response'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW0YGC68qP4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:00 am

And of course Trump isn't enforcing the Russia sanctions that passed in the Senate 98-2

But sure. Trump's totally not compromised by the Russians. Right?

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:42 am

Gone by Christmas ?

Bfcboyo · Post by **Bfcboyo** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:56 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:How much of a coward do you have to be to only be able to communicate with someone if you can prevent yourself being exposed to any kind of responce?

It isn't a real block . You have been in www land too long.
And I'd go with the lion off Oz as a nice answer.

bluelabrador16 · Post by **bluelabrador16** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:14 pm

Good writing....Scary and True

umair haque

Why We’re Underestimating American Collapse

The Strange New Pathologies of the World’s First Rich Failed State

"When we take a hard look at US collapse, we see a number of social pathologies on the rise. Not just any kind. Not even troubling, worrying, and dangerous ones. But strange and bizarre ones. Unique ones. Singular and gruesomely weird ones I’ve never really seen before.....

"Seen accurately. American collapse is a catastrophe of human possibility without modern parallel . And because the mess that America has made of itself, then, is so especially unique, so singular, so perversely special — the treatment will have to be novel, too. The uniqueness of these social pathologies tell us that American collapse is not like a reversion to any mean, or the downswing of a trend. It is something outside the norm. Something beyond the data. Past the statistics. It is like the meteor that hit the dinosaurs: an outlier beyond outliers, an event at the extreme of the extremes....."

https://eand.co/why-were-underestimatin ... 04d9e55235" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Of interest:

The Rich Also Cry..... Israel Shamir ....The Unz Review

"....The US is preparing a new round of sanctions, including seizure of Russian oligarch assets. They are ripe for collection. The confiscation of Russian holdings in Cyprus banks in 2013 passed without a hitch and served as a trial balloon. Putin didn’t object overmuch, for he is a sworn enemy of offshore accounts. None of the fleeced Russian businessmen succeeded in recovering their losses in court. Now is the time for the real thing, and much of the anti-Russian hysteria is aimed at preparing the ground for the seizure. In this way, they plan to get a cool trillion dollars into the US Treasury....."

http://www.unz.com/ishamir/the-rich-also-cry/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Russia accuses US of election interference..... Morgan Gstalter

"....Russia is accusing the United States of interfering with its presidential election, saying a decision by the Treasury Department to issue a report naming companies and individuals to be sanctioned for working with blacklisted Russian entities would be “a direct and obvious attempt” to interfere.

"We do think that this is a direct and obvious attempt to time some sort of action to coincide with our elections in order to influence them," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Monday, according to CNN. "We disagree with this, and we are sure this will have no influence."...."

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing- ... terference" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Gosh!

Loyalclaret · Post by **Loyalclaret** » Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:43 pm

First lot of russian charged for interfering with elections in USA.

Anyone who watches Homeland- sounds like the episode with ‘sick puppet’ fake news centre!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:18 pm

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018 ... mp-dossier" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This is only two paragraphs of a very long article (as is typical for the New Yorker)

"One subject that Steele is believed to have discussed with Mueller’s investigators is a memo that he wrote in late November, 2016, after his contract with Fusion had ended. This memo, which did not surface publicly with the others, is shorter than the rest, and is based on one source, described as “a senior Russian official.” The official said that he was merely relaying talk circulating in the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, but what he’d heard was astonishing: people were saying that the Kremlin had intervened to block Trump’s initial choice for Secretary of State, Mitt Romney. (During Romney’s run for the White House in 2012, he was notably hawkish on Russia, calling it the single greatest threat to the U.S.) The memo said that the Kremlin, through unspecified channels, had asked Trump to appoint someone who would be prepared to lift Ukraine-related sanctions, and who would coöperate on security issues of interest to Russia, such as the conflict in Syria. If what the source heard was true, then a foreign power was exercising pivotal influence over U.S. foreign policy—and an incoming President.

As fantastical as the memo sounds, subsequent events could be said to support it. In a humiliating public spectacle, Trump dangled the post before Romney until early December, then rejected him. There are plenty of domestic political reasons that Trump may have turned against Romney. Trump loyalists, for instance, noted Romney’s public opposition to Trump during the campaign. Roger Stone, the longtime Trump aide, has suggested that Trump was vengefully tormenting Romney, and had never seriously considered him. (Romney declined to comment. The White House said that he was never a first choice for the role and declined to comment about any communications that the Trump team may have had with Russia on the subject.) In any case, on December 13, 2016, Trump gave Rex Tillerson, the C.E.O. of ExxonMobil, the job. The choice was a surprise to most, and a happy one in Moscow, because Tillerson’s business ties with the Kremlin were long-standing and warm. (In 2011, he brokered a historic partnership between ExxonMobil and Rosneft.) After the election, Congress imposed additional sanctions on Russia, in retaliation for its interference, but Trump and Tillerson have resisted enacting them."

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:37 pm

Sleep tight everyone...the king of copy and paste is back to bore everyone rigid...

bluelabrador16 · Post by **bluelabrador16** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:45 pm

I wonder when congress will decide on sanctions against the UK?

Inside Cambridge Analytica, headquarters: London, United Kingdom:

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With our help, your campaign can use these same intelligent targeting and sophisticated messaging techniques. Cambridge Analytica deployed three integrated teams to support the campaign: research, data science, and digital marketing.

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The marketing operation utilized a number of platforms, including social media, search engine advertising, and YouTube. As well as influencing voter intention, it inspired people to take specific actions. Donations increased, event turnouts grew, and inactive voters who favoured Trump were motivated to get out and vote on election day.

Results

Cambridge Analytica’s work informed the campaign strategy and meant key voters, who might otherwise have stayed home, were reached in their own backyards. This ultimately contributed to the extraordinary victory of Donald Trump in the 2016 presidential election.

https://ca-political.com/casestudies/ca ... sident2016" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Loyalclaret · Post by **Loyalclaret** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:16 pm

Bluelab sounds like they used a digital marketing strategy like most businesses do, slightly different to what the Russian did.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:05 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:Sleep tight everyone...the king of copy and paste is back to bore everyone rigid...

Lol. What exactly are you expecting, you dumb ****? Do you expect me to be running my own investigation?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:07 am

Good news everyone. The House Intelligence Committee has decided to end its investigation and have decided that there was no collusion or corruption or anything. So i guess we can all relax.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:10 am

So you were wrong?