Bring Back Hanging?

[Blackrod]

"Bring back the death penalty!"
"for what?"
"for killing people"
"so you think killing people is wrong?"
"yeah"
"but you want to kill people"
"yeah"
"but you think it's wrong"
"yeah. i'm an idiot, i know. but bring back the death penalty"

Laughable nonsense. Murdering and maiming innocent people is wrong. Sentencing to death of evil **** that have committed heinous crimes is not. Very different things.

[The Enclosure]

why should we as taxpayers pay for these low lives to live a life of semi luxury in prison...
Hang them high and use the money saved put to better use.

[Rachel13]

I absolutely agree with you.

[Falcon]

A worryingly large amount of people here think that prisons are 'semi luxury'. I can only assume they've never stepped foot in a prison and have got their info from the tabloid rags

[Chobulous]

A number of people on this thread have stated that they are in favour of the death penalty in cases where there is some form of certainty. My response is that even in those circumstances Stefan Kisco would have been executed because the police and the CPS deliberately withheld evidence that proved beyond any doubt that he was innocent. That evidence being the fact that he was completely sterile and was incapable of producing the semen that was found on Lesley Moleseed's body. That was a deliberate act by the police with the sole intention of making it certain that an innocent man was found guilty. Only those in charge of the investigation at the time will know why they did that. The point is they presented a case that made it look like Kisco's guilt was a certainty.

[Falcon]

As long as the coppers are fallible human beings then that'll keep happening.

The only logical answer is Robocop.

[Imploding Turtle]

Laughable nonsense. Murdering and maiming innocent people is wrong. Sentencing to death of evil **** that have committed heinous crimes is not. Very different things.

Killing people is wrong, so lets kill people.

[thatdberight]

"Bring back locking people in cells!"
"For what?"
"For abducting people and locking them in cells"
"So you think locking people in cells wrong?"
"Yeah"
"But you want to lock people in cells"
"Yeah"
"But you think it's wrong"
"Yeah. I'm an idiot, I know. But I like to make trite and badly thought-through points."

[Sidney1st]

A worryingly large amount of people here think that prisons are 'semi luxury'. I can only assume they've never stepped foot in a prison and have got their info from the tabloid rags

Depends on what catagory you're in really.

I know a number of former residents and some didn't mind it whilst others hated it.

[Blackrod]

Killing people is wrong, so lets kill people.

Missed the point yet again.

[houseboy]

I can sympathise with your view, but still I'd let it lie. Death can't be undone, mistakes can be made.
The problem here isnt just the crime they committed, but the fact they were released from prison in the first place. Life should mean life, till the day you die, and beating up a pensioner should carry a life sentence, regardless.

Until the justice system acts as a deterrent, these kind of crimes will be repeated time and again.

I would agree with this in general. Sometimes it seems the right thing to do but unfortunately our justice system (which is pretty good overall) is not perfect (nor is any) and as you say mistakes have and will continue to be made. I have often said that being hung for something you haven't done is possibly the worst thing that can happen to anyone and I would rather a thousand murderers lived than one innocent person be hung.
As for 'special cases', it is an argument but who would decide what is a special case? Others in the past have said killing a police officer should carry a death sentence. Why? A police officers life is no more valuable than anyone else's and no-one forces someone to be in the police.
I think you are right, let it lie. Just don't let them out after 10 years of good behaviour.

[Imploding Turtle]

Missed the point yet again.

How many innocent people being killed by the state is an acceptable number in order to kill guilty people?

[Falcon]

12

[Blackrod]

How many innocent people being killed by the state is an acceptable number in order to kill guilty people?

As mentioned earlier in the thread we didn't have modern methods such as DNA testing when we had hanging as a punishment. I'm not saying execute every single person convicted of murder. If I picked out Moors Murderers, Sutcliffe, Bellfield to be hung as an example. That is 4 evil murders dead with no cost of upkeep and no innocent people hung.

[Imploding Turtle]

As mentioned earlier in the thread we didn't have modern methods such as DNA testing when we had hanging as a punishment. I'm not saying execute every single person convicted of murder. If I picked out Moors Murderers, Sutcliffe, Bellfield to be hung as an example. That is 4 evil murders dead with no cost of upkeep and no innocent people hung.

Do you think that people have stopped being wrongly convicted?

[Chobulous]

Do you think that people have stopped being wrongly convicted?

Exactly right. People are still being wrongly convicted all the time. Fortunately some of these wrong convictions are overturned, some prosecutions are stopped before conviction, but if we had capital punishment as an option, then in those cases where a conviction was found to be wrong it would probably be too late.

[Chobulous]

As mentioned earlier in the thread we didn't have modern methods such as DNA testing when we had hanging as a punishment. I'm not saying execute every single person convicted of murder. If I picked out Moors Murderers, Sutcliffe, Bellfield to be hung as an example. That is 4 evil murders dead with no cost of upkeep and no innocent people hung.

In the case of DNA testing you have to be willing to do the test. In Stefan Kisco's case the test was unnecessary because he was sterile. The police and CPS knew that but still prosecuted him. You can have all the sophisticated tests in the world but if the police and CPS ignore them in order to secure a prosecution then where do you go from there.

This case meets all of the criteria being put forward for execution, the rape and murder of a child. What is worse is the real murderer went free for another 30 years before he was tried and found guilty. If Kisco had been executed then the real murderer would never have been prosecuted.

[aggi]

As mentioned earlier in the thread we didn't have modern methods such as DNA testing when we had hanging as a punishment. I'm not saying execute every single person convicted of murder. If I picked out Moors Murderers, Sutcliffe, Bellfield to be hung as an example. That is 4 evil murders dead with no cost of upkeep and no innocent people hung.

Whilst at uni I remember going to a lecture by a couple of pretty well respected scientists (Ian Stewart and Jack Cohen, mathematician and biologist respectively) who were talking about DNA matches and the common misconception that when the prosecutor says "It's a 1 in a million match" that is pretty bulletproof.

That match is generally against the population as a whole. If it's taken against one area of the country it will be smaller, down to a small town with a few long running families it is even lower, down to members of the same family it isn't that distinctive.

The suggestion was that a number of convictions were obtained with the "1 in a million" headline figure where the reality was that once the sample was compared against the pool of suspects and an error threshold added in the figure was much less certain. A DNA match isn't 100% a conviction.

[bfccrazy]

Give us some names of people in the UK gettng rich through G4S. Come on man I want details of brown envelopes to top figures. Get out there.

The fact they fail to fulfill their contractual duties for so many things and constantly get new government contracts which "bail them out" shows that something, somewhere is wrong.

They have a monopoly on security services it seems and even when they fail to do what they say they get bailed out by being allowed to use the army to do things for them........ someone somewhere must be making quite a bit of profit or have a picture of some minister tied up on a bed in soho.

[Bfcboyo]

The fact they fail to fulfill their contractual duties for so many things and constantly get new government contracts which "bail them out" shows that something, somewhere is wrong.

They have a monopoly on security services it seems and even when they fail to do what they say they get bailed out by being allowed to use the army to do things for them........ someone somewhere must be making quite a bit of profit or have a picture of some minister tied up on a bed in soho.

Im inclined to agree.

[Spijed]

And to think some really believe the police wouldn't happily see innocent people die by withholding evidence.

As already mentioned, the police wanted Stefan Kisco to be found guilty even though they knew he was totally innocent. They will quite happily tamper with DNA to make sure a few people were hanged.