Surrogacy for same sex couples

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:18 pm

TVC15 wrote:It would be interesting to hear what your gay "friends" thought of your views. I suspect they would not be your friends for much longer.

Or perhaps they'd agree?
Just like how they agree with me on how pride has turned from taking stigma away from homosexuality into something that's quite degenerate.

Or Palestinian/Turkish friends that are still friends despite my criticisms of Islam

Or English mates that are still friends despite my criticisms of Christianity.

Not everything is 'us vs them', you can disagree with people, it's natural.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:42 pm

CoolClaret wrote:Or perhaps they'd agree?
Just like how they agree with me on how pride has turned from taking stigma away from homosexuality into something that's quite degenerate.

Or Palestinian/Turkish friends that are still friends despite my criticisms of Islam

Or English mates that are still friends despite my criticisms of Christianity.

Not everything is 'us vs them', you can disagree with people, it's natural.

So your "friends" are ok with you pointing out that they would make worse parents than you and your heterosexual friends ?
Why do I not believe you ?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:50 pm

CoolClaret wrote:Or perhaps they'd agree?
Just like how they agree with me on how pride has turned from taking stigma away from homosexuality into something that's quite degenerate.

In what way "degenerate"?

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:51 pm

Wow, you think gay Pride is degenerate?

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:55 pm

TVC15 wrote:So your "friends" are ok with you pointing out that they would make worse parents than you and your heterosexual friends ?
Why do I not believe you ?

This is like pulling teeth out.
Because if they think objectively and not about 'feelings' and say it's shown that the most optimal way for a child to be brought up is within a family with different sex parents, then despite their best efforts they couldn't possibly be as good parents.

If it's shown that it does not matter if your parents are gay, lesbian, gender fluid,etc etc none of that matters as an optimal way to raise a child then I will happily change my view.

Just like in the same way I'd love to be a professional athlete in a sport that relies on athleticism; unfortunately despite my best efforts I will just never be good enough.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:02 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:In what way "degenerate"?

The original message that was to aware people that it's OK to be a homosexual? Absolutely not.

The more recent prides with hordes of hypersexualised displays in front of children, unnecessary skimpy outfits etc? Yeah that's degenerative.

Much in the same way if there was a 'straight pride' and there was public displays of hypersexualised displays in front of children and unnecessary skimpy outfits, yes that would also be degenerative...

I'm done now, only a few a trying to actually provide points raising to debate others are nitpicking and it's tiresome.
Thanks

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:04 pm

That's the spirit....tell your "friends" to "think objectively" just before you tell them that you are better than them at parenting because you are not gay.

Just admit you have never had this conversation with your gay friends....lets be honest you probably do not have any gay friends.

Great comparison btw with athletics - why don't you throw that into this conversation that you will never have with the gay friends that don't exist ?

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:05 pm

CoolClaret wrote:The original message that was to aware people that it's OK to be a homosexual? Absolutely not.

The more recent prides with hordes of hypersexualised displays in front of children, unnecessary skimpy outfits etc? Yeah that's degenerative.

Much in the same way if there was a 'straight pride' and there was public displays of hypersexualised displays in front of children and unnecessary skimpy outfits, yes that would also be degenerative...

I'm done now, only a few a trying to actually provide points raising to debate others are nitpicking and it's tiresome.
Thanks

Haha....this is brilliant.
You do realise you sound like a f-ucking nutter ?

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:16 pm

TVC15 wrote:Haha....this is brilliant.
You do realise you sound like a f-ucking nutter ?

I've not once said that I'll make a fantastic parent. I'd probably be shite.
https://youtu.be/tiuljvoDifk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Good conversation with a gay bloke who has similar views as my mates.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:24 pm

CoolClaret wrote:I've not once said that I'll make a fantastic parent. I'd probably be shite.
https://youtu.be/tiuljvoDifk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Good conversation with a gay bloke who has similar views as my mates.

You are not the sharpest tool in the box are you ?
You are saying you would be a sh-ite parent (I agree btw) and that is irrespective of your sexuality and the fact that when you leave school and are old enough to get married you would be in a different sex marriage.

Lets hope you do not have children anyway eh.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:02 pm

Yes people can still remain friends whilst holding quite different views

Someone once said 'inside many liberals is a totalitarian screaming to get out. They don't like to have another point of view in the room that they don't squash and the way they try to squash it is by character assassination and name calling'

Bfcboyo · Post by **Bfcboyo** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:48 pm

Why must we all conform to society's latest fad of catering for the unimaginable . Why are people being branded bigots when we are all from different decades when certain things were acceptable and others not.

Can we I be branded ' does not comply with current mass cultural acceptable beliefs '
Or DNCWCMCAB for short!

So if people with a foot stuck in the 60's are offending all you namby pamby shy of national service folk on here just call them a DNCWCMCAB . How easy to remember for your internet based acronym loving ass wipes.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:50 pm

You'll have to defend your position without using "Hey, its just who I am alright?" then?

And you are quite correct, this is a message board discussion in which different opinions are expressed. You are quite entitled to hold your position, but you are not entitled for it go without challenge.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:04 pm

Blackrod wrote:Yes people can still remain friends whilst holding quite different views

Someone once said 'inside many liberals is a totalitarian screaming to get out. They don't like to have another point of view in the room that they don't squash and the way they try to squash it is by character assassination and name calling'

Sounds like whomever said that is doing some projection.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:07 pm

CoolClaret wrote:The original message that was to aware people that it's OK to be a homosexual? Absolutely not.

The more recent prides with hordes of hypersexualised displays in front of children, unnecessary skimpy outfits etc? Yeah that's degenerative.

Much in the same way if there was a 'straight pride' and there was public displays of hypersexualised displays in front of children and unnecessary skimpy outfits, yes that would also be degenerative...

I'm done now, only a few a trying to actually provide points raising to debate others are nitpicking and it's tiresome.
Thanks

Asking you to elaborate on something you've said is not nitpicking.

What proportion of Pride Parades do you think are "hypersexualised"? What is it that these people are doing that is "hypersexualised"?

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:13 pm

Same sex couples... I presume you mean heterosexual couples.

Bfcboyo · Post by **Bfcboyo** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:15 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Asking you to elaborate on something you've said is not nitpicking.

What proportion of Pride Parades do you think are "hypersexualised"? What is it that these people are doing that is "hypersexualised"?

Come on don't make him post pics. We have all seen the i'm gay and loud brigade parade out in force on the news . Not very normal is it.

If we had a similar hetrosexual parade it would be like a stag or hen party at its worst.

boyyanno · Post by **boyyanno** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:16 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:So the defence is now because the kids of bigots and ill-informed people might bully them, its best not to do it? Am I reading that correctly?

Kids can be very cruel, but at the end of the day, the kid will go home to his loving parents and feel loved whatever and whoever they are.

So again, as the child's welfare is paramount, and we all agree that its better to have parents than not, then surely we can agree that isn't an issue?

Cheers.

Lancaster I don't disagree with your comments, but I share a slightly different opinion. I agree bullying is somthing most kids will deal with, but to simply say these kids will go home to their parents and feel loved is playing down how bad bullying can be. I'm 25 and two kids from my school took their own lives down to horrific bullying, one of them linked to his sexuality. Both of these kids had two loving parents. My generation is supposed to be more tolerant and yet stuff like that has remained an issue, and still remains an issue in schools today. My concern is that you knowingly accept that risk for a child, kids who are differnt from the "norm" are most commonly bullied, it's not somthing I want to say, but it's how it is. It doesn't reflect my view and so many kids have terrible upbringings. I don't really prescribe to the idea that you need a stereotypical mother and father as long as you get the right role models and a loving home. Mainly I despair that the world isn't a place of total tolerance yet, but until it is I'll feel uneasy about this sort of thing.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:32 pm

Bfcboyo wrote:Come on don't make him post pics. We have all seen the i'm gay and loud brigade parade out in force on the news . Not very normal is it.

If we had a similar hetrosexual parade it would be like a stag or hen party at its worst.

So you think pictures of what, topless men(?) is an accurate representation of a pride parade?

Help me understand your point of view. What is it you think is "hypersexualised" about the marches?

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:01 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:So you think pictures of what, topless men(?) is an accurate representation of a pride parade?

Help me understand your point of view. What is it you think is "hypersexualised" about the marches?

Nothing is hypersexualised at pride....... absolutely nothing.

Bfcboyo · Post by **Bfcboyo** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:03 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:So you think pictures of what, topless men(?) is an accurate representation of a pride parade?

Help me understand your point of view. What is it you think is "hypersexualised" about the marches?

Don't make me google images to post you know it will get ugly.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:09 pm

The worst picture is the second one which is quite alarming. Minors should not be seeing this sort of stuff. They would be arrested for public exhibitionist offences but for fear of a few liberals taking offence and the police being branded homophobes.

Bfcboyo · Post by **Bfcboyo** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:09 pm

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Apologies to the faint hearted.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:10 pm

bfccrazy wrote:Nothing is hypersexualised at pride....... absolutely nothing.

And you think that is representative of Pride Parades? You're just going to sit there and ignore all the fully dressed people in the background and say that the nearly naked people who attract the cameras because they are so unusually "dressed" in comparison to everyone else, are representative of an entire parade?

No wonder you people have so much trouble with -isms

Bfcboyo · Post by **Bfcboyo** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:13 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:And you think that is representative of Pride Parades? You're just going to sit there and ignore all the fully dressed people in the background and say that the nearly naked people who attract the cameras because they are so unusually "dressed" in comparison to everyone else, are representative of an entire parade?

No wonder you people have so much trouble with -isms

Like to think I'm a whizz at cynicism.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:13 pm

Mainly I despair that the world isn't a place of total tolerance yet, but until it is I'll feel uneasy about this sort of thing.

I completely take your point but it isn't a valid reason to stop same sex couple adopting.

Bullying at school is horrible and the effects can take years to disappear, and the scars will always remain.

But kids deserve a decent chance in life, and they are far more likely to get that with parents who love and care for them than not.

I genuinely don't get how anybody could think differently because they are uncomfortable with the modern world.

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:13 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:And you think that is representative of Pride Parades? You're just going to sit there and ignore all the fully dressed people in the background and say that the nearly naked people who attract the cameras because they are so unusually "dressed" in comparison to everyone else, are representative of an entire parade?

No wonder you people have so much trouble with -isms

So ignoring the hypersexualisation in the pictures you requested is fine - because "us people" have trouble with -isms.

Nice.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:14 pm

bfccrazy wrote:So ignoring the hypersexualisation in the pictures you requested is fine - because "us people" have trouble with -isms.

Nice.

That's an unsurprisingly dumb interpretation of what i said.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:16 pm

The beach we used on holiday in Fuerteventura was one where a lot of people had their kit off.

Once my kids had stopped laughing (took about 10 minutes) it made absolutely no difference to any of us.

Its amazing what kids will just deal with, because they just don't care about the sort of stuff that gives us fits.

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:17 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:That's an unsurprisingly dumb interpretation of what i said.

You asked to see examples of hypersexualisation - got them.

Then went off about "well it isn't all like that"

No, it isn't all like that which everyone knows. But it is there too which is what you asked to see........

Bfcboyo · Post by **Bfcboyo** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:20 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:So you think pictures of what, topless men(?) is an accurate representation of a pride parade?

Help me understand your point of view. What is it you think is "hypersexualised" about the marches?

Come on IT you have swallowed yourself so far into your own rectal abyss in the name of defending the perfectly able to fight their own battles, I'm honestly suprised you haven't turned full circle and turned on yourself to defend your favourite Mr.President. Can you really honestly defendd those images. If that is a snapshot of Pride then all those onlookers fully dressed at the sides should hang their heads in shame and walk away from the event .

Just to reiterate it isn't really normal is it. The bipolar extrovert world of Pride.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:21 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:The beach we used on holiday in Fuerteventura was one where a lot of people had their kit off.

Once my kids had stopped laughing (took about 10 minutes) it made absolutely no difference to any of us.

Its amazing what kids will just deal with, because they just don't care about the sort of stuff that gives us fits.

You take your kids to nudist beaches. I give up.

Bfcboyo · Post by **Bfcboyo** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:24 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:The beach we used on holiday in Fuerteventura was one where a lot of people had their kit off.

Once my kids had stopped laughing (took about 10 minutes) it made absolutely no difference to any of us.

Its amazing what kids will just deal with, because they just don't care about the sort of stuff that gives us fits.

Are you actually comparing the over the top images posted to a nude beach holiday?
"Its amazing what kids will just deal with, because they just don't care about the sort of stuff"

And at times sickening. They shouldn't be anywhere near a world where those images were taken.

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:28 pm

Bfcboyo wrote:Are you actually comparing the over the top images posted to a nude beach holiday?
"Its amazing what kids will just deal with, because they just don't care about the sort of stuff"

And at times sickening. They shouldn't be anywhere near a world where those images were taken.

Behave .......

It's a family event!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:43 pm

Bfcboyo wrote:Come on IT you have swallowed yourself so far into your own rectal abyss in the name of defending the perfectly able to fight their own battles, I'm honestly suprised you haven't turned full circle and turned on yourself to defend your favourite Mr.President. Can you really honestly defendd those images. If that is a snapshot of Pride then all those onlookers fully dressed at the sides should hang their heads in shame and walk away from the event .

Just to reiterate it isn't really normal is it. The bipolar extrovert world of Pride.

These people are fighting their own battles, with Pride parades. And you people are attacking them for it.

Of course i'm going to defend them.

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:48 pm

The encouraging thing is that all these homophobes' opinions count for nothing, because loads of kids grow up very successfully in loving same-sex environments, and there's nothing they can do about it.

1-0 to non-homophobes.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:49 pm

Good to see some other rational folk that aren't afraid of criticising what they deem as wrong without fear of being branded some sort of bigot.

As for not thinking that kids seeing events like in the images posted or from those seeing a nude beach or even suggestive images in modern mainstream pop music has absolutely no affect on them is pretty ridiculous.

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:56 pm

CoolClaret wrote:Good to see some other rational folk that aren't afraid of criticising what they deem as wrong without fear of being branded some sort of bigot.

As for not thinking that kids seeing events like in the images posted or from those seeing a nude beach or even suggestive images in modern mainstream pop music has absolutely no affect on them is pretty ridiculous.

I think you sound very ridiculous to be honest.

I grew up seeing cocks and boobs on holiday every year. It hasn't made me a raging perv or a rampant homo.

I was playing men's football as a teenager, seeing 14 cocks or so in the showers after each game. No effect.

I've seen some very suggestive pop videos and haven't gone out and raped anyone.

I think you've got a very poor grasp on the world. Very insular.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:05 am

Walton wrote: I've seen some very suggestive pop videos and haven't gone out and raped anyone.

I think you've got a very poor grasp on the world. Very insular.

Again, thats an n=1 perspective which I couldn't give a toss about.

Videos of people like Nicki Minaj during 'anaconda' or Miley Cyrus 'twerking' has no ill or degenerative effect on young kids than idolise them?

Come on of course it does.

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:10 am

It seems like you don't give a toss about anyone else's opinion.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:20 am

I refer you to my previous post
The guy is a fuc-king nutter

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:22 am

It's funny how he goes on about this N=1 stuff when everything he's said is from his own N=1 perspective

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:51 am

You take your kids to nudist beaches. I give up

If you go to beaches in furtenventura, a lot of people don't wear any clothes.

And a lot of people do wear clothes, including me!

But its something you go "oh, not my cup of tea but hey, its not the end of the world"

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:53 am

Cool, I'm loving your attempts to come across as reasonable.

But it has to be said, just because your cave maybe doesn't go as deep into the hills as Blackrods, its still a cave.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:46 am

I'm impressed at how random this thread has become.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:49 am

Sidney1st wrote:I'm impressed at how random this thread has become.

Prudes being terrible appalled by the human body and who think everyone should be appalled too? Yeah. Some people are pretty pathetic.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:02 am

Usual silliness and lack of thought on here but my award goes to martin_p for being the first to reach for the H-Bomb rather than engage in an argument:

martin_p wrote:Ok, I’m calling you out as a homophobe.

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Walton wrote:Wow, you think gay Pride is degenerate?

It was certainly degenerate in parts in Nottingham whereby every year it descended into a p:ss up that crashed into town. Perhaps it was civilized in the daytime but by the time I went into town on a Saturday it was a spectacle of drunkenness, mass-vomiting and brawling. I'm not talking "once or twice" or a few isolated incidents - I mean that every year the town turned into a drunken squalor of fighting with pavements of running vomit. It simply would not be tolerated at a football match - or anywhere else for that matter. There'd be mass arrests and a crackdown.

There are similar problems with drunkenness at gay pride in France but the police actually police the event here rather than facilitating a breakdown in law in and order as they did in Nottingham.

It's no different to any other festival in having the potential to become degenerate, which it regularly does when given the opportunity. The only difference I spotted was that unlike football matches in the UK, it didn't appear to be getting policed properly.

What I find most queer about the event is that I know tonnes and tonnes of straight people who attend every year and love to tell everybody about it and how much fun they find it. And they love to "call out" homophobes, as they say. Perhaps that's part of the fun? Wow! It's a "call out"!

However, none of the 5 gay people I've known well enough to call a proper friend in my life are anything other than reluctant attenders. None of them go of their own volition, they only go when others -usually somebody straight- pesters them to go along and at least 3 of them refuse to attend. They say it's "weird", "embarrassing", "a spectacle" and -yes- some of them refer to the very public sexual acts as "degenerate".

Apart from the possibility of p:ssing off homophobes I've never seen the point in gay pride. I don't think that pride is the opposite of shame; I think that the opposite of shame is a lack of shame. I don't see anything to be "proud" about in any kind of sexuality.

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:19 am

Rowls wrote:Usual silliness and lack of thought on here but my award goes to martin_p for being the first to reach for the H-Bomb rather than engage in an argument:

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It was certainly degenerate in parts in Nottingham whereby every year it descended into a p:ss up that crashed into town. Perhaps it was civilized in the daytime but by the time I went into town on a Saturday it was a spectacle of drunkenness, mass-vomiting and brawling. I'm not talking "once or twice" or a few isolated incidents - I mean that every year the town turned into a drunken squalor of fighting with pavements of running vomit. It simply would not be tolerated at a football match - or anywhere else for that matter. There'd be mass arrests and a crackdown.

There are similar problems with drunkenness at gay pride in France but the police actually police the event here rather than facilitating a breakdown in law in and order as they did in Nottingham.

It's no different to any other festival in having the potential to become degenerate, which it regularly does when given the opportunity. The only difference I spotted was that unlike football matches in the UK, it didn't appear to be getting policed properly.

What I find most queer about the event is that I know tonnes and tonnes of straight people who attend every year and love to tell everybody about it and how much fun they find it. And they love to "call out" homophobes, as they say. Perhaps that's part of the fun? Wow! It's a "call out"!

However, none of the 5 gay people I've known well enough to call a proper friend in my life are anything other than reluctant attenders. None of them go of their own volition, they only go when others -usually somebody straight- pesters them to go along and at least 3 of them refuse to attend. They say it's "weird", "embarrassing", "a spectacle" and -yes- some of them refer to the very public sexual acts as "degenerate".

Apart from the possibility of p:ssing off homophobes I've never seen the point in gay pride. I don't think that pride is the opposite of shame; I think that the opposite of shame is a lack of shame. I don't see anything to be "proud" about in any kind of sexuality.

Nottinghamist!!

Homophobe!!

Bfcboyo · Post by **Bfcboyo** » Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:38 am

Rowls wrote:Usual silliness and lack of thought on here but my award goes to martin_p for being the first to reach for the H-Bomb rather than engage in an argument:

***********

It was certainly degenerate in parts in Nottingham whereby every year it descended into a p:ss up that crashed into town. Perhaps it was civilized in the daytime but by the time I went into town on a Saturday it was a spectacle of drunkenness, mass-vomiting and brawling. I'm not talking "once or twice" or a few isolated incidents - I mean that every year the town turned into a drunken squalor of fighting with pavements of running vomit. It simply would not be tolerated at a football match - or anywhere else for that matter. There'd be mass arrests and a crackdown.

There are similar problems with drunkenness at gay pride in France but the police actually police the event here rather than facilitating a breakdown in law in and order as they did in Nottingham.

It's no different to any other festival in having the potential to become degenerate, which it regularly does when given the opportunity. The only difference I spotted was that unlike football matches in the UK, it didn't appear to be getting policed properly.

What I find most queer about the event is that I know tonnes and tonnes of straight people who attend every year and love to tell everybody about it and how much fun they find it. And they love to "call out" homophobes, as they say. Perhaps that's part of the fun? Wow! It's a "call out"!

However, none of the 5 gay people I've known well enough to call a proper friend in my life are anything other than reluctant attenders. None of them go of their own volition, they only go when others -usually somebody straight- pesters them to go along and at least 3 of them refuse to attend. They say it's "weird", "embarrassing", "a spectacle" and -yes- some of them refer to the very public sexual acts as "degenerate".

Apart from the possibility of p:ssing off homophobes I've never seen the point in gay pride. I don't think that pride is the opposite of shame; I think that the opposite of shame is a lack of shame. I don't see anything to be "proud" about in any kind of sexuality.

Quite a balanced realistic perspective.Prepare for the firing squad.

Bfcboyo · Post by **Bfcboyo** » Fri Mar 30, 2018 7:02 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Prudes being terrible appalled by the human body and who think everyone should be appalled too? Yeah. Some people are pretty pathetic.

Not prudes just not imperessed with overly extrovert displays at silly needless events. Nor the demanding of more rights constantly from every corner of this country which is light years in front of the rest of the world in terms of rights and tolerance.

Oh we are so opressed poor us we need more rights more attention more media coverage. I may have cracked the link here , are the real gays sat quiet and reserved with PRIDE in tact while the sad little attention seekers who couldn't attract the opposite sex are bouncing about pretending to be gay in over the top public displays of crudeness that I wouldn't let my dog see let alone kids.

People have never had it as good be it Gay , minoity groups, benifit classes , you , me and the whole country is riding the crest of a wave ready for a slap in the face and a wake up call. That doomsday clock keeps on counting down and when some nut job in power decides to write his name into the history books it will all come crashing down. And my long winded point being all this whining and wanting more will look even more ridiculous come any form of ww3.
The future is great , but the stamp my feet and get what I want generation who cannot be told no need to look at the past and be greatful for what they have here now.

Can't have kids because nature won't allow it after you decided to bend the laws of evolution . Stamp feet and get surrogate. No just adopt a poor little orphan who needs parents.