What next for Labour?

PutTheWheelieBinsOut · Post by **PutTheWheelieBinsOut** » Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:42 pm

NCClaret wrote:I could give you a number of comparisons about other minority groups but I won't because even to make a point it would be so wrong - as is your outlandish and discriminatory diatribe. If you are a Labour supporter I now fully realise the extent of their problem on this.

Could you give me comparisons about other religious minority groups?, we can all name non religious minority groups that have great influence. I apologise if you find it's discriminatory to want the same standards and the same human rights for all without exception regardless of religion.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:56 pm

Every post.

Looks like bluelab has a new friend.

walter the softy · Post by **walter the softy** » Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:10 pm

PutTheWheelieBinsOut wrote:The fact is the Jews don't want equality, in fact its the last thing they want is to be treated like anyone else, they use their power, influence, their dominance in the media to brainwash people and yes use money to get their own way so they remain on top.
.

I do not know if there is a problem of anti-Semitism in the Labour Party or not. I suspect that this mural issue is being overblown in any case. What you have written here though seems to me to be at best crass and ill-thought out.

You have been "liked" by Blue Labrador. Reason enough to think twice about what you have posted. Still, at least you are not questioning whether the Holocaust actually happened unlike that nutjob.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:18 pm

At times of an unsettled economy and cultural upheaval such as we are living through insular communities have always been targeted by both extreme's on Left and Right. To try to make it a party issue is to miss the underlying reasons for this.

Left - Money that should be going to lift workers standard of living.
Right - British wealth should be reinvested in Britain's Economy not sent abroad.

Duel nationality only goes to aggravate the situation - most countries do not allow duel Nationality (though Britain is by an large accepted as the exception). In the USA to be American you swear allegiance to the flag and become an American Citizen. The reason we get duel Nationalities in this country (including an exception for Brits in the USA) is because despite the constant media and politicians references to "British Citizens" in reality there is no such thing; we are British Subjects under the Queens protection, not the country's - which means we are all free to become Citizens in other countries while remaining Subjects in our own. When times are good everyone is happy; when things get choppy its those with split loyalties who are seen as re-directing money out of our struggling economy and at best edging their bets to the detriment of Britain (rightly and wrongly).

Antisemitism has existed since the first Pharaoh was a lad and in all its guesses since, for their part the Jewish community are at least seen for the most part to both want full inclusion and consideration while maintain their position of being special cases when it suits them.

android · Post by **android** » Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:28 pm

Rmutt - looks as though you are right that the mural painter is now denying it was anti-Semitic. Suspect he was less bothered at the time he did it and he has no credible defence given that he has portrayed hook nosed Jews oppressing the masses in classic Nazi style.

I think Lancaster has answered everything else put back to me.

Put the Bins Out seems to have inadvertently nailed Labour's ant-Semitism problem by stating that you "cannot divide being anti Israel and anti-Semitic". Corbyn vehemently denies this, as he is very clearly and unashamedly anti Israel. He claims not to be anti-Semitic. But as this thread shows many on the far left are both. The problem for Corbyn is that he always seems to defend or excuse his comrades who are guilty of both so his claim to be not anti-Semitic looks empty.

PutTheWheelieBinsOut · Post by **PutTheWheelieBinsOut** » Fri Mar 30, 2018 7:02 pm

android wrote:Rmutt - looks as though you are right that the mural painter is now denying it was anti-Semitic. Suspect he was less bothered at the time he did it and he has no credible defence given that he has portrayed hook nosed Jews oppressing the masses in classic Nazi style.

I think Lancaster has answered everything else put back to me.

Put the Bins Out seems to have inadvertently nailed Labour's ant-Semitism problem by stating that you "cannot divide being anti Israel and anti-Semitic". Corbyn vehemently denies this, as he is very clearly and unashamedly anti Israel. He claims not to be anti-Semitic. But as this thread shows many on the far left are both. The problem for Corbyn is that he always seems to defend or excuse his comrades who are guilty of both so his claim to be not anti-Semitic looks empty.

Yes because the anti-Semitism of today as transformed into something totally different than it was even 20 years ago. No rational human being can deny the holocaust, no rational human being would want a Jewish person to be treated any different from anyone else, for them to be afforded the same protections and rights. The anti-semitism of today has grown into something that includes any criticism of the state of Israel, how did this happen? well it came about by the state of Israel influencing the media in many different ways to protect the state of Israel, to deflect and excuse their behaviour in Palestine. When Charlie Hepdo produces defamatory cartoons about Mohammed the media crys quite rightly 'freedom of speech', when some guy produces a defamatory mural about Jews the media crys with outrage 'anti-semitism'. I just want a level playing field for all, some of you guys clearly don't and i'm fine with that.

bluelabrador16 · Post by **bluelabrador16** » Fri Mar 30, 2018 7:28 pm

Who was telling the truth?

John Mann confronts Ken Livingstone over Hitler Zionist comments

""You're a Nazi apologist."

John Mann MP accuses Ken Livingstone over his remarks about Hitler supporting Zionism in the 1930s."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJCzVV5eIg8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Comments:

....Historical facts are anti-Semitic.

.....Ken has done nothing wrong, it's a Jewish witch hunt against the man, the powerful Jewish lobby is dictating British politics as ever, it's a disgrace.

.....Poor Ken gets the sack for stating historical facts lol

The Transfer Agreement: The Dramatic Story of the Pact Between the Third Reich and Jewish Palestine (Haavara Agreement)

Edwin Black

"The Transfer Agreement is Edwin Black's compelling, award-winning story of a negotiated arrangement in 1933 between Zionist organizations and the Nazis to transfer some 50,000 Jews, and $100 million of their assets, to Jewish Palestine in exchange for stopping the worldwide Jewish-led boycott threatening to topple the Hitler regime in its first year"

Lancasterclaret

"...Ken Livingstone should be expelled from the Labour party,....."

Doh

If it be your will · Post by **If it be your will** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:40 am

yTib · Post by **yTib** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:55 am

make no mistake, this problem is threefold:

1: london labour. jewish populations are sparse outside of london. it has the rest of us scratching our heads.

2: israel: is condemning israel really being anti-semitic? is it shyte as like.

3. corbyn. ghouls like chuka umuna who is a ******* tory jump on this because he his tony fucjing blair. join the tories you horrid, vapid ****.

NCClaret · Post by **NCClaret** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 8:27 am

The last few threads confirm the very real problem there is with anti-semitism; the double standards and hypocrisy there is around the whole issue of racism; the huge flaw within parts of the Labour party and it's supporters on this. Nothing else to say really ... deeply disturbing and obvious that some of the contributors on here are so entrenched in their views, blind to the issues and only interested in self-justification. Pretty pointless debating or replying to any comments when that's the case.

If it be your will · Post by **If it be your will** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 10:32 am

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 11:25 am

The far left and the far right are two opposites of the same coin.

They both want the same things.

Collectivism not individualism.
Total control of the state
And to get rid of "them"

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 1:22 pm

The last few threads confirm the issue of anti-semitism is a complex one; the double standards and hypocrisy there is around the whole issue of racism; the huge flaw within parts of society on this. Nothing else to say really ... and obvious that some of the contributors on here are so entrenched in their views, blind to the issues and only interested in self-justification. Pretty pointless debating or replying to any comments when that's the case.

Or alternatively, I'm completely blind to the issue as I dont want to see that my hero Corbyn might have flaws so lets just pretend its a smear campaign?

If it be your will · Post by **If it be your will** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:46 pm

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:48 pm

Thing is ITBYW, because Corbyn has come out strongly against it, with the way his followers hang on to his every word, then it should start the eradication of anti-semitism in the Labour party.

Which is great.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 8:30 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Thing is ITBYW, because Corbyn has come out strongly against it, with the way his followers hang on to his every word, then it should start the eradication of anti-semitism in the Labour party.

Which is great.

Be great when politicians start to "open up their hearts" to find some common feelings and respect for all others who fit the "aren't like us" stereotypes: race, gender, religion, politics and, here's a new one, different starting points in life.

Remember Jo Cox: the things that unite us are more important than the things that divide us.

PutTheWheelieBinsOut · Post by **PutTheWheelieBinsOut** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:20 am

Isn't it interesting what is topping the news on the BBC website, the Labour antisemitism row is topping their agenda once again.

Meanwhile in the real world, yesterday was the single deadliest day in the Israel-Palestine conflict since the 2014 Gaza war but it hardly gets a mention on the BBC, At least 17 Palestinians were killed and more than 1,400 injured in confrontations with Israeli security forces during protests in Gaza on Friday. The UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres has called for an independent inquiry into Friday's violence. UN deputy political affairs chief Taye-Brook Zerihoun told the council that "Israel must uphold its responsibilities under international human rights and humanitarian law".

I will leave you to your own conclusions why the BBC are covering both stories in such a way.

The BBC have a history on this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iIpnk9QEsg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

android · Post by **android** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:47 am

I was hoping this thread would end with the positive note struck by posts 164,165 and 166.

Instead we have a link to Tony Benn calling for money to be sent to Hamas (with Corbyn in a youtube sidebar video looking resplendent in PLO style headscarf just for good measure)!

Don't worry Put the Bins Out, we get where you and Corbyn are coming from.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:51 am

Twitter is full of Labour supporters (correctly btw) pointing out all the racist stuff that the conservatives do.

However, they still think its a smear campaign against St Jeremy, rather than anything that needs sorting.

I see two political parties who are incapable of seeing the problems that they both have, and as those are the two parties that are going to be running things, its profoundly depressing.

PutTheWheelieBinsOut · Post by **PutTheWheelieBinsOut** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:43 pm

android wrote:I was hoping this thread would end with the positive note struck by posts 164,165 and 166.

Instead we have a link to Tony Benn calling for money to be sent to Hamas (with Corbyn in a youtube sidebar video looking resplendent in PLO style headscarf just for good measure)!

Don't worry Put the Bins Out, we get where you and Corbyn are coming from.

The Archbishop of York, Aid Experts and even it's own BBC reporters thought it was a wrong decision.

The Archbishop of York, John Sentamu, has accused the broadcaster of "taking sides". He said yesterday: "This is not a row about impartiality but rather about humanity.

"This situation is akin to that of British military hospitals who treat prisoners of war as a result of their duty under the Geneva convention. They do so because they identify need rather than cause. This is not an appeal by Hamas asking for arms but by the Disasters Emergency Committee asking for relief. By declining their request, the BBC has already taken sides and forsaken impartiality," the archbishop added.

Communities secretary Hazel Blears said: "The BBC's decision should not discourage the public from donating to this important appeal. I sincerely hope the BBC will urgently review its decision."

The BBC's unrepentant stance has stirred up rebellion in the ranks of it own reporters and editors. One senior BBC news presenter told the Observer: "I've been talking to colleagues and everyone here is absolutely seething about this. The notion that the decision to ban the appeal will seem impartial to the public at large is quite absurd.

"Most of us feel that the BBC's defence of its position is pathetic, and there's a feeling of real anger - made worse by the fact that contractually we are unable to speak out."

Jon Snow, the journalist who presents Channel 4 news, said the BBC should have been prepared to accept the judgment of the aid experts of the DEC. "It is a ludicrous decision. That is what public service broadcasting is for. I think it was a decision founded on complete ignorance and I am absolutely amazed they have stuck to it."

Snow said he suspected a BBC bureaucrat had "panicked" and he called upon Mark Thompson to put the situation right. Martin Bell, the former BBC foreign correspondent, said the BBC should admit it had made a mistake. He claimed "a culture of timidity had crept" into the corporation. "I am completely appalled," he said. "It is a grave humanitarian crisis and the people who are suffering are children. They have been caught out on this question of balance."

Let's be clear you would rather children died than the possibility of any money going to Hamas at that time. The Israelis have created ghetto's in the Gaza strip and the west bank, children are dieing. Your mistaken in your view, you have had repeated opportunities to condemn the actions of the Israeli government, you think there wouldn't be outrage on Friday if for example Russia or actually any other country other than Israel had behaved in the same way on its borders?. You are the one that's blind and bias not me. I will leave it here as actually theres no where else to go with it.

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AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:09 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Twitter is full of Labour supporters (correctly btw) pointing out all the racist stuff that the conservatives do.

However, they still think its a smear campaign against St Jeremy, rather than anything that needs sorting.

I see two political parties who are incapable of seeing the problems that they both have, and as those are the two parties that are going to be running things, its profoundly depressing.

This isn’t a thing of canonising Corbyn, or saying he can do no wrong. I don’t know anyone who thinks he’s perfect. The feeling I get from Labour supporting friends is if it weren’t this it would be something else. I was surprised to discover that (according to polls by Jewish organisations) that about 14% of Labour Party members hold anti Semitic opinions. I was surprised it was that high, but then I found the same proportion of LibDems do too. And shockingly, this is below the national average. Tory Party members holding antiSemitic opinions run at 29% - which is higher than the national average. Considering their average age is about 70, this should be no surprise, but how on earth can it be that Corbyn has a “huge racism problem” but nobody else does? Why is it not a national scandal? For people I know who support Corbyn, and who themselves have never expressed racist views this has all the hallmarks of the last rounds of battles they’ve had to fight - against the media, the PLP, rogue MPs, previous leaders, and the media again. All of these groups that seem determined to subvert the will of Labour Party members (as expressed resoundingly twice). We’ve had the Corbyn as spy scandal, then Corbyn as Putin’s friend scandal, and now this one is being inflated - all in 2018, so it’s easy to see just another smear, and this rather takes away from the real and serious problem of antiSemitism in the U.K.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:27 pm

Good post Andrew, but again too much "whatabouterly".

Sort out your own issues first, then worry about other parties who don't.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:30 pm

The absolute boy (Jezza) has deleted his own Facebook page, probably for the best.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... ce=Twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:32 pm

Nobody thinks all Labour supporters are antisemitic; but there's no point in trying to deflect allegations of racism or antisemitism against the Tories.

Labour, via Momentum, have encouraged all and sundry to join the party; we keep hearing how it's the best supported party in Europe.

The problem is when you want everyone to join then there are going to be a number of ne'erdowells who join. Socialist Workers Party, Communists, Revolutionary Peoples Front, Peoples Front of Judea (splitters) etc. Add them to some idiots already in the party and you have several. Then add the promotion of Advisors who have a history of supporting revolutionary movements (or terrorists), badmouthing the West and glorifying Stalin and call everyone Comrade.

Then when the problems arise, do nothing, have a report that says there's no problem, give the lass a peerage and job done.

When it all goes pete tong blame a media/Tory conspiracy.

If Labour want to be in government then they have to start behaving like a party suitable to do so. If Corbyn can't trounce a disorganised government squabbling amongst themselves, then he never will.

If it be your will · Post by **If it be your will** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 3:47 pm

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:00 pm

Some will, just not enough.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:02 pm

I don't think they have to be fair ITBYW

Labour have the potential to win the election, but there are an awful lot of people who Lab are currently not appealing to that would consider them.

You have to worry that with the country like it is that Labour are behind the Conservatives (and this is with the Conservatives having no one redeeming quality or not one politician who you can go "well he/she is alright".

android · Post by **android** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 5:57 pm

Post 171 - "repeated opportunities to condemn the Israeli govt" I am not a politician so didn't know that's what you were expecting from me. It's way too complicated with fault on many sides so I'm not here for that. But no, I would not give my money to Hamas, what with them being terrorists. I believe Hamas is still considered a terrorist organisation by, amongst others, the EU. If necessary, I'm sure you Corbynistas will be able to satisfy yourselves that that is just an EU smear.

PutTheWheelieBinsOut · Post by **PutTheWheelieBinsOut** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 6:13 pm

The BBC at it again not less than 2 weeks ago. Showing Corbyn photo-shopped with a Russian back drop. Is this fair and balanced reporting or anti-Corbyn bias? Should the state broadcaster behaving in such a way?. We have a choice we either start examining and challenging the propaganda thats being fed to us or we sit back and let the BBC continue to turn into some kind of Fox news with all it's special interest groups dictating the news agenda whilst we pay for the privilege.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 6:31 pm

And he's done it again. But its ok, its not an issue for the Labour party.

PutTheWheelieBinsOut · Post by **PutTheWheelieBinsOut** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 6:36 pm

PutTheWheelieBinsOut wrote: Let's be clear you would rather children died than the possibility of any money going to Hamas at that time.

android wrote:Post 171 - "But no, I would not give my money to Hamas

Thank you for clearing that up. I will leave it there in my correspondence with yourself.

PutTheWheelieBinsOut · Post by **PutTheWheelieBinsOut** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 6:44 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:And he's done it again. But its ok, its not an issue for the Labour party.

The only answer that will ever satisfy you on any issue connected to the Labour party, is Corbyn's resignation. Instead of your snide comments why don't you tell us what more would you like the leadership of the Labour party to do on this issue???

android · Post by **android** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 6:49 pm

I don't support terrorist organisations. You can keep posting that as often as you like pal.

bluelabrador16 · Post by **bluelabrador16** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 6:59 pm

android

Do you support the racist, supremacist, apartheid state of Israel?

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 7:04 pm

It's not meant as whataboutary, or deflection; but to provide context. With this I'll be the first to admit the problem of anti-Semitism is worse than I thought it was in this country. I had assumed from empirical evidence that it was really small scale, so I was very surprised to see that one in five Britons holds antiSemetic views. So I was very wrong to say originally that the Labour Party should just crack on and win the next election, when there is a problem within the Labour Party, and a larger one in the widespread population.

The issue of anti-Semitism in the Labour Party can't be considered in isolation to the issue across the country, and should also be seen in context of how it has changed. Between the 2015 and 2017 surveys, the number of Labour voters expressing anti-Semitic views dropped quite a lot. This coincides with Corbyn's time as leader, but you won't hear that from people in the Labour Party who don't like him.

Data set for 2015 survey: https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/c ... File_W.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Data set for 2017 survey: https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/c ... inions.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I think that certainly the Labour Party should do what it takes to be as clean as possible on this issue, however it would be deeply hypocritical other parties to attack Labour over it. If anything surely they should be expressing support for Corbyn?

Regarding the mural - because I've only just read through this properly - I can see the anti-Semitism, but then I've seen as a student of history, a lot of anti Jewish propaganda from the Nazi era. See this poster the British Transport Police put out (and had to remove) a few years back:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/1 ... ice-after/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

My point with this is I don't remember a huge public backlash, as quite possibly a lot of people didn't make the connection.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 7:09 pm

The only answer that will ever satisfy you on any issue connected to the Labour party, is Corbyn's resignation. Instead of your snide comments why don't you tell us what more would you like the leadership of the Labour party to do on this issue???

You only need to read what I have posted on this thread to know that in regards to Corbyn

In regards to anti-semitism in Labour members, I'd start by wanting those who clearly haven't a clue what that involves to stop posting it every post.

And I'm another who has issues with his position with Hamas and other terrorist organisations.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 7:13 pm

Not that bluelab probably cares, but I recognize the right of Israel to exist, and I think that a two state solution is probably the best way of solving the issue.

How we get to that is impossible at the moment, due to both sides being completely intractable.

Its not going to get any better either, as countries in the Saudi Sphere will become more friendly to Israel as the rivalry between them and Iran continues to build.

bluelabrador16 · Post by **bluelabrador16** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 7:15 pm

Lancasterclaret

"And he's done it again. But its ok, its not an issue for the Labour party."

What has he done again?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 7:17 pm

How dare a Jewish labour MP not just put with anti-semitism eh Comrades?

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bluelabrador16 · Post by **bluelabrador16** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 7:54 pm

Lancasterclaret, the disingenuous one.

"... but I recognize the right of Israel to exist, and I think that a two state solution is probably the best way of solving the issue.

How we get to that is impossible at the moment, due to both sides being completely intractable....."

It might help if Israel defined its borders. With regard to the two state suggestion, what are you suggesting to do with the 6/700,000 settlers in the occupied territories?

If you had any sincerity for the plight of the Palestinians, you would not come out with the following shite:

"due to both sides being completely intractable"

I agree with the esteemed journalist Gideon Levy....one state is the only solution!

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:20 pm

It's all a big media conspiracy
Only tin foil can save the righteous

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:30 pm

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Tinfoil hats

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:46 pm

Oh goody, a poster on here wants to wipe Israel off the map.

I guess one final solution isn't enough for people like BlueLab

bluelabrador16 · Post by **bluelabrador16** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:06 pm

I agree with the esteemed journalist Gideon Levy....one state is the only solution!

Lancasterclaret

"Oh goody, a poster on here wants to wipe Israel off the map...."

Can you explain the relevance of what you posted to the one state solution for the Israelis and Palestinians.

Lancasterclaret

"I guess one final solution isn't enough for people like BlueLab"

I think the only person espousing a "final solution" is our resident delusional poster, Lancasterclaret, and that would be for the Palestinians.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:27 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Oh goody, a poster on here wants to wipe Israel off the map.

I guess one final solution isn't enough for people like BlueLab

Blue lab is the only person I have on foe on here. His/her posts are bizare. Not on any level with anyone

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:31 pm

Hmm, a two state solutions means a final solution for Palestinians?

Christ

bluelabrador16 · Post by **bluelabrador16** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:58 pm

Israel admits, then deletes, responsibility for Gaza killings

https://electronicintifada.net/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Netanyahu hails troops on Gaza border

https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu ... nd-itself/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Time for some music:

Rim Banna - A Time To Cry

A lament over Jerusalem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH0u77qzMcs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Haunting Truth.......

Comments:

...Just listened to her lovely voice,god bless to her.

...thats a song for real humans who have feelings

NCClaret · Post by **NCClaret** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:51 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Oh goody, a poster on here wants to wipe Israel off the map.

I guess one final solution isn't enough for people like BlueLab

I've followed this thread with a mixture of interest and incredulity. I confess there comes a point when I cease to comment as with some posters you are banging your head against a brick wall. I know social media isn't ideal to communicate a range of differing views but I doubt some will ever see anything other than their view. I really don't know how you have the patience to respond as you do Lancaster ... my hat off to you - sincerely. I find your views often at odds with mine but unfailingly balanced.
I have spent some time in Palestine/Israel and my experience is that there is a balanced view articulated from both sides of the divide to the conflict. It is hard to hear though especially with the extremists on both sides making this a difficult path to tread. That view has to be heard but extremists make it hard to hear ... just the same on here

Worryingly the faith group most at danger of being eradicated in the Middle East are Christians ... it's population falling dramatically through persecution.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:56 pm

You only lose when you get annoyed NC

I can only admire the passion that a lot of posters have for their views, but sometimes that passion takes over and the realities and facts get ignored.

If it be your will · Post by **If it be your will** » Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:23 am