O/T Not again!!! Germany this time

Joe14 · Post by **Joe14** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 4:43 pm

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piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:08 pm

Nothing to suggest it is terrorist related yet.
Could just be a heart attack.

Joe14 · Post by **Joe14** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:17 pm

piston broke wrote:Nothing to suggest it is terrorist related yet.
Could just be a heart attack.

Why would the driver "kill himself"??

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:19 pm

Joe14 wrote:Why would the driver "kill himself"??

Fair point.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:22 pm

A heart attack is kinda killing yourself.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:24 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:A heart attack is kinda killing yourself.

Dont panic yet, every chance it could be a white male right wing AFD voter

*prays in liberal*

ClaretEngineer · Post by **ClaretEngineer** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:24 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:A heart attack is kinda killing yourself.

It would have to be a very pre-meditated attack in that case then.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:29 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:A heart attack is kinda killing yourself.

The guy shot himself, but yeah, don't jump to conclusions.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:29 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Dont panic yet, every chance it could be a white male right wing AFD voter

*prays in liberal*

All you have is insinuation. As soon as anyone presses you to clarify what you're saying you scurry off under a rock with the rest of the **** like you. It's not surprise to see you immediately making anti-liberal insinuations here. Please, **** off back to Stormfront and the comments section of the Daily Stormer.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:30 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Dont panic yet, every chance it could be a white male right wing AFD voter

*prays in liberal*

The sad thing is that quite a lot of the 'tolerant' lot will actually be refreshing their twitter feeds constantly in hope that it is.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:30 pm

claretandy wrote:The guy shot himself, but yeah, don't jump to conclusions.

I didn't.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:32 pm

CoolClaret wrote:The sad thing is that quite a lot of the 'tolerant' lot will actually be refreshing their twitter feeds constantly in hope that it is.

Oh I'm 100% positive that is the case.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:35 pm

And years of “war guilt” will ensure the Germans can’t really express their outrage and ask Merkel why she thought it was a good idea to open the doors and let a million + “refugees” walk in. God only knows how many terrorists walked into Europe unchallenged.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:38 pm

CoolClaret wrote:The sad thing is that quite a lot of the 'tolerant' lot will actually be refreshing their twitter feeds constantly in hope that it is.

Want to know what you don't find happening when this kind of thing turns out to be a Muslim? You don't have the left-wing spreading false stories about how it was actually a far-right Trump supporting lunatic who did it. Unlike when it is actually a far-right Trump supporting lunatic, that's when we see false stories about how it was actually a left-winger. One of those even ended up on here thanks to Damo swallowing the idea that the Charlottesville terrorist who drove his car into a group of antifa protesters was actually a left-wing Bernie Sanders supporter.

Sure, there'll be a few pieces of **** who hope this was a ClaretMoffitt type character, but i consider those people just to be as bad as people like you who get excited whenever a brown-skinned person, or a muslim, or a refugee does something like this. They represent the left just as little as you represent the actual right (and yes, i'm seperating you from actual conservatives who don't deserve to be lumped in with the likes of you)

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:41 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:All you have is insinuation. As soon as anyone presses you to clarify what you're saying you scurry off under a rock with the rest of the **** like you. It's not surprise to see you immediately making anti-liberal insinuations here. Please, **** off back to Stormfront and the comments section of the Daily Stormer.

Mate, I don't even browse /pol/ let alone go on shite like SF

These days I'm so apathetic to it all I don't even go further than what pops up on my Facebook feed.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:43 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Mate, I don't even browse /pol/ let alone go on shite like SF These days I'm so apathetic to it all I don't even go further than what pops up on my Facebook feed.

I have no doubt that you uncritically swallow the **** that pops up on your Facebook feed.

And are you going to explain your insinuations about me on the thread you posted on a few days ago?

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:44 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Want to know what you don't find happening when this kind of thing turns out to be a Muslim? You don't have the left-wing spreading false stories about how it was actually a far-right Trump supporting lunatic who did it. Unlike when it is actually a far-right Trump supporting lunatic, that's when we see false stories about how it was actually a left-winger. One of those even ended up on here thanks to Damo swallowing the idea that the Charlottesville terrorist who drove his car into a group of antifa protesters was actually a left-wing Bernie Sanders supporter.

Sure, there'll be a few pieces of **** who hope this was a ClaretMoffitt type character, but i consider those people just to be as bad as people like you who get excited whenever a brown-skinned person, or a muslim, or a refugee does something like this. They represent the left just as little as you represent the actual right (and yes, i'm seperating you from actual conservatives who don't deserve to be lumped in with the likes of you)

What's a Claretmoffitt type character? A mildly right leaning, slightly over weight working class white guy who spends 90% of his time on fortnite/runescape/rocket league?

I hear those are the sorts mi5 really watch out for.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:45 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:What's a Claretmoffitt type character? A mildly right leaning, slightly over weight working class white guy who spends 90% of his time on fortnite/runescape/rocket league?

I hear those are the sorts mi5 really watch out for.

A far-right extremist who hates liberals.

TractorFace · Post by **TractorFace** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:47 pm

There are men, women and children with serious injuries and all some people on here can think about is having a pop. Quite shameful, really.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:48 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:A far-right extremist who hates liberals.

Just about to go out for a few beers now with a paid up labour/momentum member, we'll probably get into politics at some point as we usually do after a few beers. It's all pretty fun actually, there's a big group of us and we're all spilt right down the middle. You want to come?

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 6:01 pm

It would mean leaving his computer

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 6:04 pm

Damo wrote:It would mean leaving his computer

Would be good for him to see the world isn't actually black and white and that most normal people can have strong opposing views on subjects and can argue about them without having to name call, smear and insult each other.

In fact, they can even actually have a laugh and get ****** with each other while doing it

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 6:05 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Want to know what you don't find happening when this kind of thing turns out to be a Muslim?

Perhaps, I agree there are a lot of rotten characters on the right.
My gripe is that many on the left will not criticise Islam(not Muslims), which in my opinion isn't compatible with European values and culture and those that do are 'racist'.

4:20 · Post by **4:20** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 6:17 pm

If it was a Jihadist, why did he kill himself? I thought they didn't do that? Maybe I'm wrong, maybe they do, just thought it wasn't honourable or in the code to do such a thing?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 6:28 pm

CoolClaret wrote:Perhaps, I agree there are a lot of rotten characters on the right.
My gripe is that many on the left will not criticise Islam(not Muslims), which in my opinion isn't compatible with European values and culture and those that do are 'racist'.

Would you think it reasonable for me to blame all white people, or all Christians when a white christian goes crazy with a gun and shoots to ribbons a couple dozen people?

By all means criticise Islam and Muslims, but don't blame them for something they have no responcibility for unless you're silling to blame Christians for almost any of the mass shootings in America. No one was even blaming all Christians for this **** that Christian leaders did to kids for decades. But for some reason when some piece of **** who calls god 'allah' drives a van through a crowd in Nice and it's the responcibility of everyone who also calls god 'Allah'.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 6:39 pm

4:20 wrote:If it was a Jihadist, why did he kill himself? I thought they didn't do that? Maybe I'm wrong, maybe they do, just thought it wasn't honourable or in the code to do such a thing?

This ^

If it was an Islamic terrorist I'm pretty sure that gun would have been emptied into the people running away from the scene, not into their own head. Its a strange one this, it could be anything imo.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 6:47 pm

Those who criticise all Muslims are usually the same ones who defend a far bigger terrorist organisation - the NRA

morpheus2 · Post by **morpheus2** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 6:52 pm

If it is a jihadi he hasn't read the rulebook on entry into paradise, the only divinely sanctioned guarantee of entry into paradise specified in the Qur'an and ahadith is to kill and be killed in the way of Allah, taking your own life in this fashion is not the MO of someone knowingly seeking Islamic paradise whilst killing enemies of Allah.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 6:55 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote: By all means criticise Islam and Muslims, but don't blame them for something they have no responcibility for unless you're silling to blame Christians for almost any of the mass shootings in America. No one was even blaming all Christians for this **** that Christian leaders did to kids for decades. But for some reason when some piece of **** who calls god 'allah' drives a van through a crowd in Nice and it's the responcibility of everyone who also calls god 'Allah'.

The mass shootings in America aren't being done in the name of 'God, or in the name of Christianity', that's the key difference.
That isn't their motive, aren't most of the dudes that have committed these awful acts in America atheist anyhow?

Jihad is a core principle in Islam, these morons are think they are martyrs and that they will be rewarded for committing such vile acts.

I feel for peaceful Muslims, I solemnly wish that they weren't bound by such a repugnant system.

Yes, the Catholic church have received quite a lot of **** for their history of child abuse - it's disgraceful.

Islam is still a minority in Europe, yet still commit a WAY higher % of terror attacks in Europe compared to Christians.
To anyone imo with a rational brain, there is a clear problem with extremism in Islam, which is why it needs to be openly scrutinised more than other religions.

If Christians start committing atrocities frequently as well - of course I'll be the first to criticise.
Has western foreign policy got a lot to answer for? IMO yes- I don't believe that we should be interfering trying to play world police.
Do refugees need helping? Yes - I just don't believe the answer is rehousing them in a place with a completely different culture.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:16 pm

CoolClaret wrote:If Christians start committing atrocities frequently as well - of course I'll be the first to criticise.

No you won’t. You’ll just say they “aren't being done in the name of 'God, or in the name of Christianity'” as if that makes it ok somehow.

Or you’ll try to claim the perpetrators are atheists.

To be fair, your contributions to this thread have been much more balanced and reasonable than the stuff we normally see on this type of thread (possibly because CM has gone out).

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:20 pm

Greenmile wrote:No you won’t. You’ll just say they “aren't being done in the name of 'God, or in the name of Christianity'” as if that makes it ok somehow.

Or you’ll try to claim the perpetrators are atheists.

To be fair, your contributions to this thread have been much more balanced and reasonable than the stuff we normally see on this type of thread (possibly because CM has gone out).

Still got 15 minutes yet before I get picked up.

Typical of these bloody lefties being late

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:26 pm

"German media has reported that the driver may be a German national with mental health problems."

Whether of not it was a German national, i think it's pretty clear that there were mental health problems.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:31 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:"German media has reported that the driver may be a German national with mental health problems."

Whether of not it was a German national, i think it's pretty clear that there were mental health problems.

Take it you don't fancy a few in the bridge then?

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:32 pm

No one linked it to Putin and Russia yet......?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:32 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Take it you don't fancy a few in the bridge then?

With you? No.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:37 pm

Greenmile wrote:No you won’t. You’ll just say they “aren't being done in the name of 'God, or in the name of Christianity'” as if that makes it ok somehow.

I honestly won't, I'm not a Christian wasn't christened or anything! I believe in philosophy.

yTib · Post by **yTib** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:38 pm

CoolClaret wrote:Perhaps, I agree there are a lot of rotten characters on the right.
My gripe is that many on the left will not criticise Islam(not Muslims), which in my opinion isn't compatible with European values and culture and those that do are 'racist'.

firstly, who do you think you are that you can decide what are 'european values and culture'?

second, you are bread and butter to the extremist. they want to sow division between muslims and others and folk like you slavishly follow.

i live and work amongst muslims and they are just as sickened by islamist extremism as i am; more so in fact because they get tarred with the same brush by fools like you.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:38 pm

Look at this headline and article and tell me these people aren't delighted when this happens.

I've linked to a web archive copy so that none of you have to have this filth in your browser history.

https://web.archive.org/web/20180407183 ... eral-dead/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

yTib · Post by **yTib** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:43 pm

and if you believe that philosophy excludes a belief in god or gods then i recommend you try reading a few books on the subject.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:43 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:With you? No.

Sound

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:46 pm

yTib wrote:firstly, who do you think you are that you can decide what are 'european values and culture'?

second, you are bread and butter to the extremist. they want to sow division between muslims and others and folk like you slavishly follow.

i live and work amongst muslims and they are just as sickened by islamist extremism as i am; more so in fact because they get tarred with the same brush by fools like you.

You know, stuff like women's rights, not stoning people to death for adultry, no death for apostates etc all teachings of Islam that are still practiced regularly (before you compare it to some obscure Christian teaching that no one bothers with)

If you'd actually bother reading my post without militant attacking me you'd see I'm making a distinction between peaceful Muslims and these morons.

Finally, yes I'm well aware that in Philosophy people believe on God. I did not once sate that they didn't, nor did I state that I didn't, so again well done for just jumping to a conclusion.

yTib · Post by **yTib** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:57 pm

i'd love to characterise the militant christians of the usa as 'obscure' but the fact is they have more guns than isis. and then some.

at the end of the day citing the extremes of the followers of a religion and then trying to present it as the mainstream is disingenuous.

but like i said, this is what they want you to do.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 8:19 pm

yTib wrote: at the end of the day citing the extremes of the followers of a religion and then trying to present it as the mainstream is disingenuous.

This is another thread that could go back and forth forever and is now pretty off topic to the original post.

My main point is that imo, Islam isn't as scrutinised as it should be by those who lean left, and I fear as Christianity in Europe is being left behind at quite a rapid rate that the void is being filled with Islam.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 8:23 pm

CoolClaret wrote:This is another thread that could go back and forth forever and is now pretty off topic to the original post.

My main point is that imo, Islam isn't as scrutinised as it should be by those who lean left, and I fear as Christianity in Europe is being left behind at quite a rapid rate that the void is being filled with Islam.

How do you know it isn't scrutinised by the left? Of course it is. But you're blind to that on the right, just like you're blind to every time a Muslim organisation speaks out against terrorism as you blather on about hos Muslims never condemn terrorism.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 8:25 pm

It'd also help if your lot would stop with the fascistic tendencies, like internment, and it'd also be nice if perhaps some of you could call out the liars and fake news peddlers among you instead of leaving it up to the left to call it out all the time.

yTib · Post by **yTib** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 8:28 pm

CoolClaret wrote:This is another thread that could go back and forth forever and is now pretty off topic to the original post.

My main point is that imo, Islam isn't as scrutinised as it should be by those who lean left, and I fear as Christianity in Europe is being left behind at quite a rapid rate that the void is being filled with Islam.

you feel as though you are being replaced.

a natural, if irrational, fear that has existed since the dawn of time.

relax. eventually muslims will abandon islam just as christians have replaced christianity with amazon.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 8:32 pm

As an example to my earlier post. This attack was carried out by a 48-year old German national with a history of mental health problems. I'm going to read a lot about conspiracy theories about how this is a cover up and it'll almost entirely be left-wing voices calling that bullshit out. Maybe i'll post some when they pop up.

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 8:33 pm

relax. eventually muslims will abandon islam just as christians have replaced christianity with amazon.

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CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 8:34 pm

Total thread derail.
Turtle, if someone discriminates someone purely because of their skin tone, or place of origin without even knowing their beliefs I'm the first to call them out, believe me.

It's not irrational though is it, if people see change and results of change then it's tangible.
Yeah that was the theory but it's not happened has it? That's why a lot of the jihadis that have committed atrocities in England are UK born.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 8:42 pm

After the war, if the immigrants didn't like their treatment, they could have gone back. If someone goes to work abroad in Saudi for example on an oil field job, they are not expected to become citizens of that country. What are all these types doing in Europe???????????? On a freebee, that's what.

Same with Ugandan Asians. Idi Amin is dead, now the coast is clear to go back.