Windrush Scandal

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:33 pm

They were all supposed to get the hint of 'Don't want to be a bus driver, all my life etc. Wahay, we're going to Barbados, to sunny Caribbean sea,' where you can laze about and smoke a fat joint, maybe do a bit of swimming and massage some tourist tarts etc.

Better than dusbtin collection in Brummie, I bet...

Chris Ofili played the race card, gained the political backing to window dress culture and then off he went to Trinidad to live it up.

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:00 pm

Burnley Ace wrote:The Immigration Act 1971 removed the Right to Remain and replaced it with the (much reduced) Right to Abode. Any Commonwealth Citizen was given the right to British Citizenship. For some reason, perhaps because they didn't think it necessary, there were a number of those eligible who didn't apply. At the time there was a publicity campaign explaining the change.

Fast forward 40 years and the unintended consequences of their failure to apply for British Citizenship and the new policy that it's the responsibility of the applicant to prove their status means difficulties have arisen.

The destruction of paperwork (arrival cards) is a bit of a red herring. The cards themselves aren't sufficient evidence, they weren't technically needed (breaching DPA), they, according to the retention and destruction policy, didn't need to be kept and there was no storage space in the new office - I doubt the Home Secretary makes decisions about which docs are saved and which are destroyed in those circumstances.

The ones making political capital are the same ones who don't like the governments immigration policy.

I disagree. More than a few people who came over as children and had U.K. passports thought they were already U.K. citizens. The U.K. government changed the law quietly in 2014 to take away their explicit right to remain. A cynic might argue the government wanted to catch them out. And as the government has now agreed, people who have come here as children, and lived their whole lives here shouldn’t fall foul to rule changes.

The destruction of the arrival data was wrong. It should have been archived.

Is political capital being made of this? I hope so. This episode came out of Theresa May’s policy of hostile environment - which in my opinion is unnecessarily nasty, and has caused hardship for a lot of people who have done nothing wrong (much the same as disability assessments have - too bad the disabled don’t have foreign prime ministers campaigning for them.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:23 pm

Very clever of Mrs May not to offend Commonwealth nations,it's not like we need trade deals with these countries is it.

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:30 pm

I've always thought it strange that I'm ineligible to immigrate to Britain because it's been 6 generations since my family left Garrigill. On the other hand, despite my mother being born in Denmark, I'm ineligible there, too, because only males carry immigration rights in Denmark. So Britain is actually the more liberal jurisdiction.

Brunlea · Post by **Brunlea** » Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:55 pm

On one of the news reports I saw that a letter received by a person involved was on notepaper headed ‘Capita’ which would indicate that the Home Office had outsourced some of the work. I seem to remember that this company was driticised in the past for the way it dealt with people. In my view this appears to be another example of private companies being brought in to administer policies on behalf of goverment and approaching it in a rigid business like way and looking to achieve targets etc...

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:57 pm

Governments getting some one to do their dirty work? Sounds familiar.

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Tue Apr 17, 2018 11:28 pm

The law was changed in 1971 by the Immigration Act 1972. The “hostile environment” policy was introduced in 2013/14. The right to remain was removed in 1971, it’s either section 1 or 2 of the act. Those Commonwealth Citizens that we’re in the UK were given British Citizenship though they all had to apply.

The children that came over travelled on their parents passports not their own. They didn’t have U.K. passports, if they had they wouldn’t be in this position. Over the years The majority of Windrush Children have applied for and got their paperwork in order.

Again the point about tha arrival slips has already been made perhaps the countries they left have digitised copies of their embarkation papers?

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Tue Apr 17, 2018 11:31 pm

tiger76 wrote:Very clever of Mrs May not to offend Commonwealth nations,it's not like we need trade deals with these countries is it.

I would imagine it’s the Caribbean nations that want deals with us, haven’t they been complaining for years that the EU has restricted their access to the U.K. market through regulatory tarrifs?

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Tue Apr 17, 2018 11:43 pm

I'm sure they do want deals with us,what these deals will entail is not clear though,FOM may be one of the conditions.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:12 am

Fleetwood or Montego Bay? that is the question.

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:26 am

tiger76 wrote:I'm sure they do want deals with us,what these deals will entail is not clear though,FOM may be one of the conditions.

I don't think they are in a position to make any sort of demands, free access to our market would be a huge step forward.

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:33 am

The Tories and the home office have really balled this up.

Don’t they know that the casual racist has moved on from hating everything brown to just hating slightly brown people, specifically Muslims, usually from Pakistan.

Some tradesmen don’t like the Eastern Europeans but that’s only because they do a better job.

Going after Afro-Caribbean’s is not what normal folk or the racists wanted. Bloody useless

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:01 am

In a weird way its quite a feel good story.

It shows the racists in this country have at least moved on from the 70s and no longer don't like Black people.

In Britain 2018, you've got to take the wins where you can get them.

UpTheClaretsFCBK · Post by **UpTheClaretsFCBK** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:41 am

Watched the BBC documentary last night “Stephen: The Murder That Changed Britain” and its so apparent that even in the 90s our public service sector was still very institutionally racist.

You can draw direct collerations between their treatment by the public to the treatment of today’s Muslims. Albeit the police have moved on and are much more proactive when it comes to racially motivated incidents.

It certainly makes me fearful of blood being spilt on our streets once again. Decline in economy always seems to breed a misguided hatred of people who are not white British and who are, for the most part, merely trying to live a peaceful life.

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:13 am

My ancestors came over in 432 BC, I've not been asked to go back to Gaul and I'm not sure the authorities in Gaul would want me.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:46 pm

PMQs-

Jeremy Corbyn -" can the prime minister confirm that the decision to destroy the landing cards was taken when she was home Secretary?"

May - " no it was taken in 2009 under a Labour government!"

The Guardian will go into melt down!

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:09 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:PMQs-

Jeremy Corbyn -" can the prime minister confirm that the decision to destroy the landing cards was taken when she was home Secretary?"

May - " no it was taken in 2009 under a Labour government!"

The Guardian will go into melt down!

You beat me too it !

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:11 pm

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Oh jezza

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:15 pm

Faisal Islam:

I am now highly confused - the Government/ Home Office released a background statement last night asserting “In 2010, the decision was taken by the UK Border Agency” - the PM says made in 2009 by Labour.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:16 pm

Paul Waugh of Huffington Post:

Imp clarification after #PMQs
from No10: destruction of landing cards was an "operational decision" by the UK Border Agency. Ie Not a decision by a Labour Home Secretary or minister.

Why's Theresa May lying in parliament?

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:18 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Why's Theresa May lying in parliament?

It's no lie. Jeremy Corbyn wasn't asking who made the decision, he was asking who was in charge when the decision was made.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:19 pm

claretandy wrote:You beat me too it !

And of course they'll be some of the gaggle of UTC message board, hysterical PC lefties, undergoing their very own personal melt downs right now!

Claret-On-A-T-Rex · Post by **Claret-On-A-T-Rex** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:22 pm

dsr wrote:I don't think you've read any of it. This is about people who like England and have been here for fifty, sixty years, and the government is trying to kick them out.

That's Pstotto, Ringo etc for you. Not intelligent enough to actually read the full story before making up their minds and coming on to expose their weak arguments.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:23 pm

Listened on BBC 5live and they went back to the studio after PMQs. To analyse what had happened in the commons. They, being the BBC, had a guardian journalist guest. She was huffing n puffing but totally dumbfounded by what they'd just heard!

Radio comedy gold!!!!

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:23 pm

Shouldn't Corbyn be explaining why he flounced out of an anti-semitism debate yesterday after seeing his own MP's turn on him.
Does seeem odd that the racist attitude and behaviour he shows to Jews is never picked up on by the ones so outraged by all forms of racism but anything a tory member does has idiots rushing for a copy of the Guardian to display the latest version of mockrage.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:27 pm

The BBC is now institutionally racist in the favour of blacks and they have a massive indoctrination machine working on it, so take its products in that vein.

They batter the whites with pre-emptive negative judgment as a bullying tactic to divide and rule.

last week I watched a BBC2 program by a black 'art historian,' claiming that muppet bronzes from Benin were high art on a par with Western culture. The media and the art world have politically dragged down art to child level so they can claim all cultures are equal.

Damien Hirst's smarty sweet spots and Emin's dirty bed a case in point. They are not artists but simulacrums of artists, in fact political agitators for dumb down global equality, who have political backing to let rip and batter the talented out of view.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:29 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:Shouldn't Corbyn be explaining why he flounced out of an anti-semitism debate yesterday after seeing his own MP's turn on him.
Does seeem odd that the racist attitude and behaviour he shows to Jews is never picked up on by the ones so outraged by all forms of racism but anything a tory member does has idiots rushing for a copy of the Guardian to display the latest version of mockrage.

YET ANOTHER new right wing poster registered in the last few days.

Who is it who's banned?

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:30 pm

Pstotto wrote:The BBC is now institutionally racist in the favour of blacks and they have a massive indoctrination machine working on it, so take its products in that vein.

They batter the whites with pre-emptive negative judgment as a bullying tactic to divide and rule.

last week I watched a BBC2 program by a black 'art historian,' claiming that muppet bronzes from Benin were high art on a par with Western culture. The media and the art world have politically dragged down art to child level so they can claim all cultures are equal.

Damien Hirst's smarty sweet spots and Emin's dirty bed a case in point. They are not artists but simulacrums of artists, in fact political agitators for dumb down global equality, who have political backing to let rip and batter the talented out of view.

There's nothing as bitter as a failed artist.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:30 pm

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:That's Pstotto, Ringo etc for you. Not intelligent enough to actually read the full story before making up their minds and coming on to expose their weak arguments.

Go back thru this thread and look for my posts. Apart from a couple of put downs at Uphisownhole, I've said absolutely nothing about treatment of the People of Windrush. Absolutely nothing.

My first semi serious post was a few minutes ago pointing out how the career communist Corbyn has just been made to look like an amateur!

Stop trying to take the moral high ground, get YOUR facts right, wind your neck in, stop pontificating and get on with your, "it was Labour wot did It!!" meltdown!

lucs86 · Post by **lucs86** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:33 pm

It's May's Home Office and Government that was dismissing the concerns of the civil servants involved in these cases, the people that are now whistleblowers.

It's May's Home Office and May's Government that has been deporting these people with advice like "try to speak with a Jamaican accent".

It's on the Tories regardless of the squirming and point scoring at PMQs.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:38 pm

I'm not a failed artist, in fact I'm laughing at the screen at that...

Getting money and fame does not make one a 'successful' artist.

It helps big time, regarding facilitation and production and having a good life etc. although it can also be a burden regarding public image presentation. I couldn't write all my stuff on this site if I were successful, so that would spoil my fun, wouldn't it?

I have plenty of other things going on, mind.

Claret-On-A-T-Rex · Post by **Claret-On-A-T-Rex** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:01 pm

The fact that May has apologised for her mistake and is reversing her decision while witless failed artist Pstotto and surviving brain donor Ringo are still spouting their "if you don't like it, leave the country" guff just shows them to be what they are, small-minded, petty racists.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:07 pm

Inchy wrote:Don’t they know that the casual racist has moved on from hating everything brown to just hating slightly brown people, specifically Muslims, usually from Pakistan.
Going after Afro-Caribbean’s is not what normal folk or the racists wanted. Bloody useless

Lancasterclaret wrote:In a weird way its quite a feel good story.
It shows the racists in this country have at least moved on from the 70s and no longer don't like Black people.

Brilliant guys.

The "racists" are no longer racist but you somehow know that they're still "racist", despite them not doing anything racist.

Feel free to show your working out on these deductions. We could all do with a giggle.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:15 pm

Pstotto wrote:I'm not a failed artist, in fact I'm laughing at the screen at that...

Getting money and fame does not make one a 'successful' artist.

It helps big time, regarding facilitation and production and having a good life etc. although it can also be a burden regarding public image presentation. I couldn't write all my stuff on this site if I were successful, so that would spoil my fun, wouldn't it?

I have plenty of other things going on, mind.

I've seen your newspaper doodlings.

They're not the work of an artist who made it.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:26 pm

Caernarfon_Claret wrote:My ancestors came over in 432 BC, I've not been asked to go back to Gaul and I'm not sure the authorities in Gaul would want me.

Asterix or Obelix?

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:33 pm

At least I have a pre-1000 A.D. surname so I'm counted in.

Troll on a pencil

Ahahahahahahahaha, you don't even know what they are about. I can re-configure form and space in a matter of minutes. I'm better than Picasso, in that respect. Also an entirely original approach to art, which takes some doing in the modern era:

: Colour A4 print No.9.jpg (573.75 KiB) Viewed 2739 times

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:43 pm

I really should paint this up and tweak it for perfection, but I am actually ill and spun out and when you're in a societal whirlpool it's very very difficult to get out of that black hole. Right. I will do it. I will say that and then the triple whammy of life comes in to give the knock-back.

However, with impoverished means I pulverized the art world.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:48 pm

Get yourself well.

Stop being paranoid about black people, the BBC, buddhism and men's bottoms. That will help.

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:55 pm

I thought the the failed artist comment was about drawing a darker historical parallel.

There will be a lot of compensation to pay on this. Be interesting to know how they intend to fund it, though they’ll probably just borrow more as they usually do. Same old Tories - useless with money. Anyone else disgusted at the way their tax money has been spent - first to cause pain and anguish, and now to compensate people for that pain and anguish.

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:56 pm

Rowls wrote:Brilliant guys.

The "racists" are no longer racist but you somehow know that they're still "racist", despite them not doing anything racist.

Feel free to show your working out on these deductions. We could all do with a giggle.

Im having a giggle at you not working out a clearly tongue in cheek post

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:57 pm

As an excluded artist, I'm at the far end of the cultural directive, where everything is 'In yer face.'

There's nothing paranoid about taking exception to Anton Griezeman shoving his ass in the camera and bumping it up and down into every living room that had the misfortune to watch the media incursion, after he scored for Athletico Madrid in the Europa league. That IS offensive.

There is a place for folks to be, but not when it gets to p.c. fascism as an Uber Alles media bash frenzy to keep folks perplexed supine and inline. I'm naturally aggrieved at that and Big Gov. doing it.

I've notice Wetherspoons have gone offline to stop wasting time and I aim to do the same.

Obviously failing right now

but showing art on here gets a bigger audience than a small gallery.

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:57 pm

I've a funny feeling you vote Labour, don't you Andrew?

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 5:17 pm

Rowls wrote:Brilliant guys.

The "racists" are no longer racist but you somehow know that they're still "racist", despite them not doing anything racist.

Feel free to show your working out on these deductions. We could all do with a giggle.

Rowls in defending racists shocker!

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:48 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Asterix or Obelix?

Getafix

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:31 pm

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:The fact that May has apologised for her mistake and is reversing her decision while witless failed artist Pstotto and surviving brain donor Ringo are still spouting their "if you don't like it, leave the country" guff just shows them to be what they are, small-minded, petty racists.

This may be futile as it appears your unable to read and understand English

Go back thru this thread and look for my posts. Apart from a couple of put downs at Uphisownhole, I've said absolutely nothing about treatment of the People of Windrush. Absolutely nothing.

My first semi serious post was a few minutes ago pointing out how the career communist Corbyn has just been made to look like an amateur!

Stop trying to take the moral high ground, get YOUR facts right, wind your neck in, stop pontificating and get on with your, "it was Labour wot did It!!" meltdown!

Here's hoping.

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:39 pm

Are you admitting to failing to even slightly contribute to a thread Ringo?

At least you're becoming self aware.

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:40 pm

Vino blanco wrote:I've a funny feeling you vote Labour, don't you Andrew?

Only since Corbyn became leader.

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:18 pm

I remember seeing a programme on PBS over here about some scribblings found in Timbuktu. A black historian was trying to present them as one of the greatest advancements in human civilization, when, in reality, it was just some camel dealer trying to keep track of his inventory. The shortest book ever written might be "Great Advancements in Human Civilization by Black Achievement".

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:45 pm

ontario claret wrote:I remember seeing a programme on PBS over here about some scribblings found in Timbuktu. A black historian was trying to present them as one of the greatest advancements in human civilization, when, in reality, it was just some camel dealer trying to keep track of his inventory. The shortest book ever written might be "Great Advancements in Human Civilization by Black Achievement".

Since they reckon human life might have started in Africa, I suspect you're ridiculously wrong. Did the person who invented the wheel have pale skin?

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:46 pm

It's as a sop for a deal for Nigerian oil, same with the Megan Markhel marriage, I bet. 15,000 Billion might be able to buy a documentary slot on BBC2 (last week) with an 'art historian' claiming muppet bronzes from Benin equate with the Elgin Marbles, Faberge eggs, Swiss watches and Rolls Royces and that Timbuktu was the new Salzburg, Vienna or Venice.

I don't know if it's still on I-Player, it's a global political policy to have everyone believe in base creativity via child's play, for the media to then subsume with graphic power THE REAL DEAL of electronic media manipulation via excite and revulsion edit/cut/paste and fades.