FA issue statement to say some Burnley fans behaviour unacceptable on Saturday

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:14 pm

BurnleyFC wrote:You’re missing the point entirely. Burnley isn’t a town full of racists just as Brighton isn’t a town full of benders.

That’s the point people are making. It’s tit for tat stereotyping.

No, you’re missing the point entirely. It’s not about the accuracy of the claims but the fact they’re being used as insults. Being a ‘town full of racists’ would be a bad thing and therefore a good insult. Being a town full of homosexuals would be unusual, that’s all.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:19 pm

Being a town full of homosexuals would be unusual, that’s all.

And very clean

snapcrackleandpop · Post by **snapcrackleandpop** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:20 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Yes, behind me, I'd say the first 5 rows of the back block, rows AA-EE say.

The group I suspect has got form for shouting distasteful things, and always rush to the away fans whenever we score. One of them looks like a ratboy.

I sit in this area of the CFS and I certainly didn't hear anything, what age is this group.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:25 pm

martin_p wrote:No, you’re missing the point entirely. It’s not about the accuracy of the claims but the fact they’re being used as insults. Being a ‘town full of racists’ would be a bad thing and therefore a good insult. Being a town full of homosexuals would be unusual, that’s all.

WTF I suppose you turned round and told the people shouting at the Brighton fans that they weren't insulting them but just telling them Brighton was an unusual place. Equally I'm sure you will have applauded the Brighton fans for shouting such a 'good' insult at the Burnley fans.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:29 pm

nothing wrong with being a town full of homosexuals so i'm not sure why the brighton fans were insulted by it, unless they're a massive set of homophobes.

*wink smiley*

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:37 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Surely we should be bigger than them though and not do it?

Thats the bit I don't get. Why respond like some did? Just laugh at them like I did.

I suppose you're right Lancs, but I found the 'town full of racists' chant very hurtful. It isn't nice, and who knows what Jay and his family have gone through?

So I admit I did chuckle a bit when our fans chanted back

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:45 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:And very clean

I don't know, I lived with a gay lad at uni and his room was an absolute sty. Always left his bloody dishes in the sink too.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:48 pm

Then we should have chanted back something funny that they couldn't moan about then.

I mean, they play in a plastic morgue and have about 20,000 fans who'd never heard of them until they built the AMEX. It wouldn't have been that hard to chant "Where were you when you were ****" at them would it?

CM, guess he's the exception that proves the rule

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:49 pm

Guich wrote:I suppose you're right Lancs, but I found the 'town full of racists' chant very hurtful. It isn't nice, and who knows what Jay and his family have gone through?

So I admit I did chuckle a bit when our fans chanted back

So you don’t mind them thinking we’re a town full of homophobes then?

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:58 pm

martin_p wrote:So you don’t mind them thinking we’re a town full of homophobes then?

Who cares what they think ....

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:03 pm

Seriously?

You think by chanting it only Brighton fans will think that?

This is a global media world we live in, everything we do is seen by billions around the world these days while we are in the premier league.

How can you not get that?

We are about to go into Europe for the first time for decades, and the football club continues to be an excellent advert for the town.......and homophobic chanting helps us in what way?

Somethingfishy · Post by **Somethingfishy** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:04 pm

RocketLawnChair wrote:This all incident is/was so bloody predictable I should have put my house on it.. Our lot booing Bong and them lot implying it was meant a million times worse than it was. Not a single player as been booed on Turf Moor for their colour or creed for as long as I can remember and our own supporters outed the single low life at Bradford a few years back.

Bong was booed because he as been involved in an highly publicised spat with a player some consider a local hero. This allegation was unproven.

IF the case against Jay had been proven and the Burnley crowd had booed Bong then we’d rightly have a question to answer. But that is simply not the case.

I personally think there is nothing wrong with anybody believing Jay when he said “I didn’t say it” obviously BHA fans and Chris Hughton do.

This whole affair is just totally unsavoury on all sides and BHA are playing a large part in that. But what you can expect is the gutter media and the likes of Adrian Durham who weren’t even there to blow this out of all proportion and if Burnley supporters defend our position we will be classed as racist..

.

I think that sums it up very succinctly. Well said that man.

Anyone who has ever been on the Brighton forum will know they already have a beef with us and some of their sterotyping is incredibly childish and insular. They now seek to back it up with something that really didn't happen. The only regrettable act i can see from the Burnley fans was the singing of "town full of benders"..which was only sung in reply to the distasteful "town full of racists" chants. I actually very much doubt it would have been sung otherwise. A case of us trying to outsmart their own song. All very childish.
They have a very blinkered view of the inquiry too. Bong repeating his allegation after the inquiry didn't help. They clearly have Jay marked down as guilty which is a disgrace in itself and with our support of him it enforces their stereotyped view of us. They completely miss the point...as most snowflakes often do. A disgrace of a football club and fanbase.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:14 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Seriously?

You think by chanting it only Brighton fans will think that?

This is a global media world we live in, everything we do is seen by billions around the world these days while we are in the premier league.

How can you not get that?

We are about to go into Europe for the first time for decades, and the football club continues to be an excellent advert for the town.......and homophobic chanting helps us in what way?

Yes seriously....I don't care what they think.also the article in some french magazine relating to Burnleys white squad at the time..since amended with a loan signing no I don't particularly care.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:17 pm

If only it was that simple eh?

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:22 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:If only it was that simple eh?

I respect your view on things not a problem there.. But I'm at an age where I really don't let what people "think"affect me.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:26 pm

Fair enough Tim, but I'm thinking more of the club as a whole.

I'm like you in that I just don't give a toss what fans of another club think of us, but it does sadly matter if we do something daft like sing homophobic chants in a competition with a global reach of billions.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:27 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:Trying to find the tweets in question, I have found a tweet about us singing "You're just a town full of benders" though. Sigh.

I was in the CFS, and I heard that chant after full time and in reply to the brIghton lot singing “town full of racists” at us. I’m sure there are still some people of that persuasion in Burnley, as there will be in all other groups of supporters.

Not saying it’s right, but anyone can understand giving some back in retaliation?

Brighton really are a disgusting club. Not two minutes since they were begging for our help to save their tin pot club.

No doubt the FA will find in their favour. God forgive an allegation of racism in the current climate is knocked back.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:30 pm

bobinho wrote:I was in the CFS, and I heard that chant after full time and in reply to the brIghton lot singing “town full of racists” at us. I’m sure there are still some people of that persuasion in Burnley, as there will be in all other groups of supporters.

Not saying it’s right, but anyone can understand giving some back in retaliation?

Brighton really are a disgusting club. Not two minutes since they were begging for our help to save their tin pot club.

No doubt the FA will find in their favour. God forgive an allegation of racism in the current climate is knocked back.

Not aware the FA is looking at anything. Even the FA need more than the word of a couple of Talksport callers.

paulatky · Post by **paulatky** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:54 pm

What the f@@k is going on

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:56 pm

"The FA considers the behaviour of some supporters on Saturday towards Gaetan Bong to be unacceptable.

"It needs repeating, following the recent disciplinary matter, that there was no suggestion by any party involved in that case that the player made a malicious or fabricated complaint. The FA was wholly satisfied that the complaint was made in absolute good faith.

"The FA takes all allegations of discrimination extremely seriously and continues to encourage all participants who believe that they have been the subject of or witness to discriminatory abuse to report this through the appropriate channels."

Milltown1882 · Post by **Milltown1882** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:56 pm

It was unacceptable. Bong made the complaint about the issue and it came out not proven, what player will come out about similar things now if Bong is getting treatment like that?

Burnley fans sang Rodriguez's name and booed Bong more than focusing on our players on Saturday, it was embarrassing.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:57 pm

They've got a point

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:57 pm

what did they say about Liverpool fans and players wearing Suarez t-shirts after he BIT someone?

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:57 pm

Virtue signalling nonsense from the FA.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:01 pm

Who are we allowed to boo/ not allowed to boo ?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:04 pm

I'd start with not booing a player who made a complaint about racism for starters.

Once we get that bit, we can move on from there I reckon.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:04 pm

Can we cheer a goal for fear of upsetting the opposition ?

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:05 pm

Why not Lancaster ?

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:05 pm

Is anyone surprised?

The FA's meddling incompetence knows no bounds, they won't be satisfied until the atmosphere at games is more akin to a womens' international. Time for us to stop selling beer, bene and pies and crack on with skinny lattes, quinoa and green juice. Maybe we should get those clapper things they have at Leicester too!

The only player I booed on Saturday was Glenn Murray because he's a cheating t*at. I hope I didn't offend anyone.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:05 pm

Will the FA please take action against Bong as he hasn't let it drop as per the article here...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... ation.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Please let me be clear: I know what I heard and I did not mishear"

By stating this, Bong has not accepted the outcome of the inquiry and should be punished for continuing to make serious allegations against a fellow professional.

thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:11 pm

Neither player entirely let it go after the investigation. Bong was out of order stoking it, but that did follow Rodriguez releasing a statement that unnecessarily had a dig at Bong. It's really for the FA and/or Rodriguez to deal with what followed although the FA effectively don't disagree with either player's original stance so won't disagree with Bong's statement.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:11 pm

Would we have been allowed to boo him if he'd broken one of our players' legs or is he untouchable for the rest of his career ? Perhaps a player who gets grief from opposition fans ( i.e.nearly all of them ) needs only to file a claim of " racism " to ensure the FA wont allow them to be booed again in their career. The whole thing is utterly nonsensical...quite Orwellian

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:16 pm

thatdberight wrote:Neither player entirely let it go after the investigation. Bong was out of order stoking it, but that did follow Rodriguez releasing a statement that unnecessarily had a dig at Bong. It's really for the FA and/or Rodriguez to deal with what followed although the FA effectively don't disagree with either player's original stance so won't disagree with Bong's statement.

Can you quote what Jay Rod said to have an unnecessary dig at Bong - all I saw was he wished him "no ill" in his statement on Twitter

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:17 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:Will the FA please take action against Bong as he hasn't let it drop as per the article here...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... ation.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Please let me be clear: I know what I heard and I did not mishear"

By stating this, Bong has not accepted the outcome of the inquiry and should be punished for continuing to make serious allegations against a fellow professional.

Why should he accept it? he clearly thinks Rodriguez was racist towards him but there isn't enough proof to support his claim, does that make him wrong? Absolutely not. I don't understand why any footballer should just accept feeling racially abused.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:18 pm

No surprise that it's randomclaret2 continuing with this.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:19 pm

Why should Rodriguez accept it ?

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:20 pm

Continuing with what UTB ?

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:21 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:The whole thing is utterly nonsensical...quite Orwellian

So is trying to shame and silence a player for exercising his right not to be, in his opinion, racially abused.

An incident which has been deemed unprovable, not false.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:22 pm

Jesus ******* christ this is pathetic

thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:25 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:Can you quote what Jay Rod said to have an unnecessary dig at Bong - all I saw was he wished him "no ill" in his statement on Twitter

Use Google to read it. Not sure why I would do that for you when you're clearly on the internet.

BurnleyFC · Post by **BurnleyFC** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:25 pm

martin_p wrote:No, you’re missing the point entirely. It’s not about the accuracy of the claims but the fact they’re being used as insults. Being a ‘town full of racists’ would be a bad thing and therefore a good insult. Being a town full of homosexuals would be unusual, that’s all.

What the hell are you wittering on about?

It isn’t right for them to label us a town full of racists (I know I’m not a racist for a start), nor is it acceptable for us to label them a town full of benders because they aren’t either.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:25 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:Why should Rodriguez accept it ?

Accept what?

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:25 pm

So booing a player is trying to " shame and silence " them....Give me a break lol.....

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:26 pm

CombatClaret wrote:So is trying to shame and silence a player for exercising his right not to be, in his opinion, racially abused.

An incident which has been deemed unprovable, not false.

Was he being shamed for exercising his right to complain or for persisting with his unproven, unsubstantiated and uncooberated allegations that imply that JRod is both a racist and a liar?

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:26 pm

What do you think KRBFC ???

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:26 pm

KRBFC wrote:Why should he accept it?

because it was the findings of the FA inquiry that the allegation was not proven.

KRBFC wrote:he clearly thinks Rodriguez was racist towards him but there isn't enough proof to support his claim, does that make him wrong?

In my opinion, yes. He has been adamant from the beginning that he was racially abused, however there is no proof or evidence to suggest that he was racially abused. In fact he broke protocol and due process to make sure that his opinion was aired before any inquiry by making statements about the incident in the media and on social media. His story also changed several times as stated in the inquiry report, whereas Jay Rodriguez continually maintained an unwavering account of the incident. These reasons alone call me to question Bong and his account of things and quite frankly I am fed up with it because it does nothing to promote the fight against racism, it does in fact damage the fight by bringing due process into question.

KRBFC wrote:I don't understand why any footballer should just accept feeling racially abused.

They shouldn't, but as I said above Bong did not follow due process and has changed his story several times - his actions are damaging to the fight against racism IMO.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:27 pm

Blackrod wrote:How can you say probably ? Either you heard something or you didn't. I can't understand why anyone in their right mind would make racist comments. It wouldn't make sense. We've got black players in our own team.

Our fans racially abused Andre Gray last year didn't they?

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:27 pm

KRBFC wrote:Accept what?

The continued implication that he is both a racist and a liar

Dy1geo · Post by **Dy1geo** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:28 pm

I am sorry but in a free world you should be able to boo who you want to as it is not against the law and that right should be defended whether you agree with the booing or not. I have to stress that shouting racial abuse is against the law and should be punished.
To me this is akin to UEFA punishing City for their fans booing the Champions League anthem

Lordlucan · Post by **Lordlucan** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:28 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:Why not Lancaster ?

Because it gives the impression that we are either disgusted that someone could make a complaint of racial discrimination in good faith

In an employment context that kind of behaviour leads to a visit to an employment tribunal to discuss victimisation