FA issue statement to say some Burnley fans behaviour unacceptable on Saturday

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:29 pm

thatdberight wrote:Use Google to read it. Not sure why I would do that for you when you're clearly on the internet.

I have read it, but nothing in it is offensive or derogatory towards Bong, hence me asking you where you think it is

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:29 pm

KRBFC wrote:Why should he accept it? he clearly thinks Rodriguez was racist towards him but there isn't enough proof to support his claim, does that make him wrong? Absolutely not. I don't understand why any footballer should just accept feeling racially abused.

It doesn't make him right either. The case was heard and the verdict was not proven.
If he is that convinced that he was racially abused why does he not take the matter up in a civil court?
If you have read the 30 page FA report of the proceedings you will wonder just what he did hear.

He made the accusation, it was not proven and he received an apology for what was actually said. He has since perpetuated the accusation through the local press ---why?

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:30 pm

Burnley Ace wrote:Was he being shamed for exercising his right to complain or for persisting with his unproven, unsubstantiated and uncooberated allegations that imply that JRod is both a racist and a liar?

The two are the same thing only one has an emotional bias.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:32 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:because it was the findings of the FA inquiry that the allegation was not proven.

In my opinion, yes. He has been adamant from the beginning that he was racially abused, however there is no proof or evidence to suggest that he was racially abused. In fact he broke protocol and due process to make sure that his opinion was aired before any inquiry by making statements about the incident in the media and on social media. His story also changed several times as stated in the inquiry report, whereas Jay Rodriguez continually maintained an unwavering account of the incident. These reasons alone call me to question Bong and his account of things and quite frankly I am fed up with it because it does nothing to promote the fight against racism, it does in fact damage the fight by bringing due process into question.

They shouldn't, but as I said above Bong did not follow due process and has changed his story several times - his actions are damaging to the fight against racism IMO.

"It needs repeating, following the recent disciplinary matter, that there was no suggestion by any party involved in that case that the player made a malicious or fabricated complaint. The FA was wholly satisfied that the complaint was made in absolute good faith.''

He hasn't been proven to be wrong and guilty of making a false complaint, there just isn't evidence to say 100% what happened. It's Jay Rod's word v Bong's, it's impossible to know what was said. No-one should just accept being racially abused because there's no evidence.

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:32 pm

The FA have now said it is “unacceptable” for football fans to express an opinion that does not agree with the statements from the FA.

Please refrain from making any further posts

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:35 pm

KRBFC wrote:"It needs repeating, following the recent disciplinary matter, that there was no suggestion by any party involved in that case that the player made a malicious or fabricated complaint. The FA was wholly satisfied that the complaint was made in absolute good faith.''

He hasn't been proven to be wrong and guilty of making a false complaint, there just isn't evidence to say 100% what happened. It's Jay Rod's word v Bong's, it's impossible to know what was said. No-one should just accept being racially abused because there's no evidence.

What is he hoping to achieve by perpetuating his accusation through the local press? Why does he not accept the findings of the inquiry?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:35 pm

Why?

because it looks bloody awful thats why

Only two people know what was said that day, one says one thing, and one says another.

By booing him, all you are doing is keeping this at the top of the news, and as its absolutely nothing to do with our club its absolutely f**king mental.

No one thinks Bong didn't make the allegation in good faith, and no one outside of the AMEX thinks Jay is a racist.

Its over, but not while our fans act like this. If you didn't like Burnley, this is just what you want to see.

*replying to randomclaret2 btw!

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:35 pm

KRBFC wrote:Our fans racially abused Andre Gray last year didn't they?

Andre Gray was abused because he’s black? When was that?

Milltown1882 · Post by **Milltown1882** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:36 pm

Burnley Ace wrote:Andre Gray was abused because he’s black? When was that?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36877509" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:37 pm

KRBFC wrote:Our fans racially abused Andre Gray last year didn't they?

Oh yeah, 1000s of them, pretty much every game.

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:37 pm

CombatClaret wrote:The two are the same thing only one has an emotional bias.

They are completely different, how can you possibly think they are the same? One clearly relates to behaviour before the FA hearing and the other to behaviour after it.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:37 pm

KRBFC wrote:Our fans racially abused Andre Gray last year didn't they?

Only one or two of them.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:39 pm

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:39 pm

KRBFC wrote:"It needs repeating, following the recent disciplinary matter, that there was no suggestion by any party involved in that case that the player made a malicious or fabricated complaint. The FA was wholly satisfied that the complaint was made in absolute good faith.''

I agree, and this is correct - so why hasn't Bong accepted this himself and stopped making the allegation in the media?

KRBFC wrote:He hasn't been proven to be wrong and guilty of making a false complaint, there just isn't evidence to say 100% what happened. It's Jay Rod's word v Bong's, it's impossible to know what was said.

Again I agree - it is one word against another, but as I stated above, Jay Rodriguez had a consistent unwavering account throughout the process whereas Bong did not - I am expressing my opinion that I think that means he is confused about what he did actually hear, which of course then makes me question his account of things. I am not doubting he truly believes he heard something racist - but what he is not doing is accepting that he actually may have been wrong but he is insisting he is right, when no one can know for sure apart from Jay Rodriguez. His actions ARE still tarnishing Jay as a racist even though there is no evidence to actually prove it.

KRBFC wrote:No-one should just accept being racially abused because there's no evidence.

Correct, but get actual evidence and dont expect people to believe you if you change your account to support your position.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:40 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Only one or two of them.

It's enough for the bellends on here to run with it for eternity.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:41 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Oh yeah, 1000s of them, pretty much every game.

When did I say 1000's of Burnley fans racially abused Andre Gray every game????????

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:41 pm

Milltown1882 wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36877509

That’s a link to his comments about a Bradford player being abused not himself

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:42 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:

You're genuinely loving that this towns name is getting run through the mud, aren't you?

paulatky · Post by **paulatky** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:43 pm

I have no problem whatsoever with Mr Bong reporting the incident if he "thought" he heard racist remarks. Indeed I applaud him for doing so.
However after a long and full investigation, in which 2 independent lip reading experts stated they could not identify any racist lanquage, the FA tribunal gave their findings.

However Mr Bong did not accept their findings and that same evening tweeted that he was bitterly disappointed with the findings and re-iterated he had heard what he considered racist language . He also said "Mr Rodrigues has since aplogised , so that is a step in the right direction" That statement as it was written implied that JRod had apologised for racist comments.

In response JRod then issued a statement to say that he had apologised for his gesture ( bad breath ) and not for any racist remark as there was nothing to apologize for. Mr Bong then issued a further statement still not letting the matter drop.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:44 pm

this whole situation is completely ridiculous.

thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:45 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:I have read it, but nothing in it is offensive or derogatory towards Bong, hence me asking you where you think it is

If you can't even read, "but I was disappointed that he chose to publicly condemn me", as "having a dig" (my words) [not "offensive or derogatory" - your made-up interpretation of what I said] at Bong, it shows just how one-eyed you are on this. That's no excuse for Bong coming back for another go but neither player's statement was just, "I accept the outcome while maintaining my position" which would have been wiser.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:45 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:I agree, and this is correct - so why hasn't Bong accepted this himself and stopped making the allegation in the media?

Again I agree - it is one word against another, but as I stated above, Jay Rodriguez had a consistent unwavering account throughout the process whereas Bong did not - I am expressing my opinion that I think that means he is confused about what he did actually hear, which of course then makes me question his account of things. I am not doubting he truly believes he heard something racist - but what he is not doing is accepting that he actually may have been wrong but he is insisting he is right, when no one can know for sure apart from Jay Rodriguez. His actions ARE still tarnishing Jay as a racist even though there is no evidence to actually prove it.

Correct, but get actual evidence and dont expect people to believe you if you change your account to support your position.

Obviously he feels aggrieved at the outcome because he feels he was racially abused but there just isn't evidence to support his claim. Lack of evidence doesn't make him wrong nor does it make Rodriguez a full blown nazi racist. To say a player should just accept feeling racially abused because there isn't evidence to say what really happened is illogical.

Lordlucan · Post by **Lordlucan** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:46 pm

Just what has any of this got to do with our club? One of the great changes at Bfc over the last 20 years - maybe since Ian Wright - has been the decrease in chanting that could give us the label of casual or actual racists.

When someone as decent as Chris Hughton intervenes we should take a moment to think.

We are in an incredible position now. The news should be about what an attractive club we will be to play for next year. Not this

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:46 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:Who are we allowed to boo/ not allowed to boo ?

What would yogi bear make of it all??

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:50 pm

I hope that the club don't fall into the trap and dignify this with a statement.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:51 pm

It will be fun next season when Rodriquez is playing for us and Bong & Brighton visit the Turf !

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:51 pm

Lordlucan wrote:Just what has any of this got to do with our club? One of the great changes at Bfc over the last 20 years - maybe since Ian Wright - has been the decrease in chanting that could give us the label of casual or actual racists.

When someone as decent as Chris Hughton intervenes we should take a moment to think.

We are in an incredible position now. The news should be about what an attractive club we will be to play for next year. Not this

Lord Lucan alive and well in Burnley!Brilliant

do you sit in the Bob Lord Stand?

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:52 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:I hope that the club don't fall into the trap and dignify this with a statement.

Same, but I fear they will feel they have to.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:52 pm

Steve1956 wrote:It will be fun next season when Rodriquez is playing for us and Bong & Brighton visit the Turf !

Hope he scores a ******* hat-trick

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:53 pm

The FA haven’t really helped matters with their ‘not proven’ verdict. I know it’s not a court of law but if there is no evidence to substantiate a claim the verdict should have been innocent. They could still have made the pronouncements of the claim being made in good faith, etc, but the verdict they gave leaves the whiff of racism hanging around Rodriguez. That doesn’t seem fair, the implication being it’s only poor camera angles that have saved him.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:54 pm

No, I'm f*cking embarrased by our town being continually linked with racism due to the actions of our supporters/townspeople

Dy1geo · Post by **Dy1geo** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:54 pm

Being accused and found guilty of rascism these days is a stigma that you would carry round with you for the rest of your life. Bong accused Jay Rod of rascist language which Jay Rod denied and ultimately it was unproven and found Not Guilty.
Burnley pride themselves as a “Family Club” and Jay Rod even features on the Heroes pre match big screen. If someone accused a member of my family of rascist abuse knowing what it carries these days and it was found to be unproven I would like to think I could boo the person who made the accusation.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:55 pm

KRBFC wrote:Obviously he feels aggrieved at the outcome because he feels he was racially abused but there just isn't evidence to support his claim. Lack of evidence doesn't make him wrong nor does it make Rodriguez a full blown nazi racist. To say a player should just accept feeling racially abused because there isn't evidence to say what really happened is illogical.

What is illogical is that Bong refuses to accept that he may have misheard something that Jay Rodriguez said to him and then perpetuates the argument after an official process has deemed that racist abuse was not proven. Privately he is entitled to be fuming and still hold the view that he has been racially abused, however publicly he really should have accepted the findings and that should be that.

For what it is worth, and I have stated this on threads that have since been deleted, I do believe that he thinks he heard something racist was said towards him, but I also believe that Jay didn't say anything racist towards him - it is the logic of this that many find difficult to understand.

pushpinpussy · Post by **pushpinpussy** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:55 pm

I'm a bad lover. Once I caught a peeping tom booing me.

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:56 pm

It reminds me somewhat of the England U23 match that the FA awarded us many years ago
We went along to cheer on our national team only for some Burnley fans to constantly boo Ian Peirce (i think) just because he played for Blackburn
Sad, but even after all those years we still have some fans who just don't see how such meaningless actions ruin the image of our club

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:57 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Hope he scores a ******* hat-trick

I wonder if they will let us cheer it?

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:57 pm

If there is no evidence to substantiate a claim the verdict should have been case dismissed

The FA have left both players with a taint

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:57 pm

Lordlucan wrote:Just what has any of this got to do with our club? One of the great changes at Bfc over the last 20 years - maybe since Ian Wright - has been the decrease in chanting that could give us the label of casual or actual racists.

When someone as decent as Chris Hughton intervenes we should take a moment to think.

We are in an incredible position now. The news should be about what an attractive club we will be to play for next year. Not this

100 per cent right.

But I don't expect the players Sean is hoping to attract will take any notice of this type of thing at all.

Not suggesting we're likely to attract racist footballers btw, for any Brighton fans looking in

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:57 pm

What did Bong change his story from and to?

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:58 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:No, I'm f*cking embarrased by our town being continually linked with racism due to the actions of our supporters/townspeople

*embarrassed

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:03 pm

I know.

Why don't we just ask all the racists and gays in Burnley and Brighton to come forward and be counted.

I bet Brighton has more of both per capita, though as UTB points out we have at least two racists.

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:04 pm

So it’s unacceptable to boo players now?

The only reason he was booed is purely the Burnley born connection, if it was any other former striker nothing would’ve happened. They'll be no reaction next time we play against him

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:04 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:What did Bong change his story from and to?

His allegation stated two distinct phrases as summarised below (from page 15 of the report):

d. We also agree that the alleged insult is somewhat unusual: “you’re black, you stink” or “you’re black and you smell”.

He stated both phrases and used them interchangeably in his evidence - which, like I have said, tells me that he doesn't fully recollect what was actually said - but what do I know...

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:04 pm

If I were Jay I’d be setting my legal team loose on Bong for Libel. It could also be argued that Bong himself is being racist, making up claims because Jay is white. Racism cuts both ways you know ( not that the PC brigade would let you know )

JTClaret · Post by **JTClaret** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:05 pm

This is ridiculous.

It was just of the pantomime of football.
My lad asked why he was being booed, I told him because he accused Jay Rod of saying something he (Jay Rod) says he didn't. Explaining Jay Rod is a Burnley lad who used to play for us.
In the second half he was joining in with the boos... why? Probably because the game was boring and it was something to join in with.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:06 pm

Most people agree that the booing was a little OTT and unnecessary but understandable (hence why I didn’t join in).

Most people also agree though (apart from the ultra-liberals) that Bong was wrong and should have held out an olive branch after the hearing, when he had heard evidence such as the lip reader, seen TV footage, and seen from how upset Jay was that he had obviously not said it. I reckon 10,000+ in the stand last Saturday would agree with that, and I reckon 500 of them would be the type to boo Bong for it, which they have a right to do, however crass, as long as they are not booing his ethnicity, which they were not.

You have to encourage BAME people to come forward about this kind of thing, but you also have to encourage white people to support BAME people in doing so. This whole incident, especially the behaviour of the FA and BHA, doesn’t do the latter. I’ll let our club off for their statement, because they were suddenly put in a no win position by the FA.

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:08 pm

JTClaret wrote:This is ridiculous.

It was just of the pantomime of football.
My lad asked why he was being booed, I told him because he accused Jay Rod of saying something he (Jay Rod) says he didn't. Explaining Jay Rod is a Burnley lad who used to play for us.
In the second half he was joining in with the boos... why? Probably because the game was boring and it was something to join in with.

I think that has to be the best explanation of the booing I've seen.

Well done !

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:09 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:Most people agree that the booing was a little OTT and unnecessary but understandable (hence why I didn’t join in).

Most people also agree though (apart from the ultra-liberals) that Bong was wrong and should have held out an olive branch after the hearing, when he had heard evidence such as the lip reader, seen TV footage, and seen from how upset Jay was that he had obviously not said it. I reckon 10,000+ in the stand last Saturday would agree with that, and I reckon 500 of them would be the type to boo Bong for it, which they have a right to do, however crass, as long as they are not booing his ethnicity, which they were not.

You have to encourage BAME people to come forward about this kind of thing, but you also have to encourage white people to support BAME people in doing so. This whole incident, especially the behaviour of the FA and BHA, doesn’t do the latter. I’ll let our club off for their statement, because they were suddenly put in a no win position by the FA.

What statement, have they now put one out?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:11 pm

Its was nothing to do with our club, until some of our supporters decided to make it so it became something that our club will have to say something about.

Not the FAs fault, not Bongs fault, our fans fault

And on the day that we secured European qualification.

Super.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:12 pm

It's a bit like positive discrimination.
Football fans have booed certain players since forever, in our case normally ex bastards. Brighton had other black players, they never got booed, so it can hardly be described as racist. Bong needs to grow a pair if he wants to remain a professional footballer, and he can't be a special case when it comes to this kind of treatment. THAT would be racist.