FA issue statement to say some Burnley fans behaviour unacceptable on Saturday

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Tue May 01, 2018 2:54 pm

Diesel wrote:They weren't 'chants' they were grunts, monkey grunts.

Chants = Monks
Grunts = Monkeys

Culmclaret · Post by **Culmclaret** » Tue May 01, 2018 2:55 pm

With hundreds/thousands of people making a right din booing and no one who was actually there saying they heard monkey noises this could be a short investigation

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Tue May 01, 2018 2:55 pm

Was next to the divide with Burnley fans on Sat.

Things we did hear:
Continuous Booing of Bong
He's one of our own Jay Rod
Homophobic chanting and gestures throughout
Town full of racists

Things we didn't hear
Monkey noises
Town full of P***s ( Burnley fans claiming on there site this was sang by Brighton Fans )

I'm not saying it didn't happen but did not hear any monkey noises.

This is also my take

Culmclaret · Post by **Culmclaret** » Tue May 01, 2018 2:57 pm

And mine

Culmclaret · Post by **Culmclaret** » Tue May 01, 2018 2:59 pm

Limescale. It’s very chalky down there

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Tue May 01, 2018 3:01 pm

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote:http://www.northstandchat.com/showthrea ... nley/page3

Doesn’t look like any of the Brighton fans heard them.

I take it Brighton don’t have anything other than acceptable fans

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Tue May 01, 2018 3:01 pm

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IanMcL wrote:Reported by a Brighton fan in the Brighton Argus.

So he obviously knows what a monkey chant is. Do the fans posting on here know what one is?

UpTheClaretsFCBK · Post by **UpTheClaretsFCBK** » Tue May 01, 2018 3:03 pm

Caernarfon_Claret wrote:Chants = Monks
Grunts = Monkeys

Munty gronks?

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Tue May 01, 2018 3:04 pm

hampsteadclaret wrote:Our fans should never have got involved, by backing JR.
Nothing to do with us.
He plays for WBA.
We created this mess ourselves.

- fits in with the constant noise [from some] on here about why we should re-sign ex-players [most of whom left for very good reasons, and should never come back].

We are a PL club and we should be looking outwards, not inwards.

- and that comment..'when one of us gets kicked, we all feel it'..ffs..

And how would you have stopped our fans from getting involved?

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Tue May 01, 2018 3:07 pm

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote:You’re drawing your own parallels there. I’m casting no opinion over whether it is right or wrong.

On a purely stereotypical sense, they’re both equally offensive.

wtf.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Tue May 01, 2018 3:08 pm

martin_p wrote:No, it was ‘town full of benders’ I’m referring to.

I am just reading your posts and trying to work out your agenda martinp. I agree I also do not think the intention was racially motivated either.

For me the chain of events was thus

1)The ball was played out to the left back position towards Gaetan Bong sections of the Burnley crowd boo (we agree not racially motivated)

2)Some of the BHA section then sing "You're just a town full of racists" IMO small minded and bigoted and clearly wrong.

3) The response by SOME of the Burnley section was surprise, surprise small minded and bigoted and clearly wrong.

We are talking about two groups of people from different sides of the country who are peas in the same pod, all thick as pigshit on a football match chanting shite. They are all as bad as each other.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Tue May 01, 2018 3:10 pm

Clarets4me wrote:I understand that Burnley FC have asked Brighton to lauch an investigation into their selection of Mr Bong for this fixture, due to Mr Bong's implicit support for the repressive regime of the Cameroons Government. He had a choice as to represent France ( As he did in an age Group International ) but in 2009, chose to play Senior International Football for the Cameroons, where homosexuality is a criminal offence, punishable by prison terms of between 6 and 60 months.
The liberal minded folks of Burnley were clearly disgusted by the selection of this apologist for his Homophobic Country, and missed no opportunity to voice their displeasure on his appearance at Turf Moor. It is commonly held, that the German National team that gave the Nazi Salute in 1938 were all, at the very least " fully fledged followers of Hitler ", and it is to protect Mr Bong from such smears in future that we ask that he issues a strongly worded Statement on the steps on his National Parliament calling for the recognition of LBGT rights and the legalisation of such....

I know the above sounds ridiculous, but posters on " NSC ", the main Brighton Fans Forum, are suggesting that our Fans " Booed " because it is the closest sound that can be made to " Monkey chants " without being arrested... they are making great play that the accusations against Jay Rodrigues were found " Not Proven " as opposed to " Not Guilty ". They seem to be blissfully unaware that the Independent Tribunal, asked to arbitrate on the case, with the agreement of both parties, had only " Proven " or " Not Proven " as their options....

Personally, I didn't boo the player concerned.... but that's my choice, I didn't even boo Simon Garner....these things have a habit of coming back to haunt you !!

I booed Glen Murray and he deserved it. Ask James Tarkowski.

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Tue May 01, 2018 3:15 pm

Someone has said that it happened at a specific time in the second half when Bong went to take a throw in. Must be someone who was snoring in the Bob Lord Stand, particularly with the way the game was on Saturday.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue May 01, 2018 3:17 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:I'd really like to understand why you continue to pursue a narrative that is insinuating that Burnley fans are racist, can you start by answering the question from yesterday?

I think you have completely misread me if you think i'm even trying to insinuate any Burnley fans are racist let alone the lot of us. I'm simply explaining the side of the FA and defending the case verdict of ''not proven''. The booing has absolutely nothing to do with the colour of Bong's skin, I have said that numerous times but you still think I'm talking about the colour of Bong's skin.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Tue May 01, 2018 3:18 pm

Some Burnley fans are racist, for sure.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Tue May 01, 2018 3:20 pm

martin_p wrote:And the best outcome of that approach is that there’s no evidence Burnley fans are not racist but they are homophobic. Unless there’s any direct accusations proved the the club should maintain silence.

We’ll have to agree to disagree on this one then. We have plenty of indirect and direct accusations thrown at us in the last few days and the way it is being reported by the media is extremely biased against the club. This is the perfect time for our PR people to step in and defend the club.

I do not think our fans are any more homophobic than any other clubs fans and this is not where the media are focussing their attention - if it was they would be writing virtually the same article every week with all the clubs Brighton play.

I am not sure many other clubs would have remained this silent for so long in the face of these accusations.

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Tue May 01, 2018 3:26 pm

Does this all stem from the Brighton fan in the Cricket afield stand who rang 606 after the game to say Burnley fans were constantly monkey chanting at Bong?

It’s been ridiculed all over Twitter because it was booing. Even Brighton fans said they heard booing and nothing else.

Where about a in the stand is this supposed to have happened?

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Tue May 01, 2018 3:33 pm

"Some Burnley fans are racist, for sure" says bum hole. I think you could say that about every football club in the world.

Marney&Mee · Post by **Marney&Mee** » Tue May 01, 2018 3:35 pm

Caernarfon_Claret wrote:Chants = Monks
Grunts = Monkeys

Give me Monkey Tennis any day of the week....and twice on Sundays...

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Tue May 01, 2018 3:37 pm

Are we sure it wasn't misheard Motty chants?

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Tue May 01, 2018 3:38 pm

Not St Pauli

vinrogue · Post by **vinrogue** » Tue May 01, 2018 3:40 pm

Does anyone know a good spin doctor who could help us out?

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Tue May 01, 2018 3:42 pm

Just heard this on the 5 live news..

Brilliant - no smoke without fire and all that..

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Tue May 01, 2018 3:51 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:Someone has said that it happened at a specific time in the second half when Bong went to take a throw in. Must be someone who was snoring in the Bob Lord Stand, particularly with the way the game was on Saturday.

ZizkovClaret wrote:Are we sure it wasn't misheard Motty chants?

Abc

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Tue May 01, 2018 3:53 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:It means he's expressing an opinion.

Is it your opinion that there probably weren't a small group of fans being racist?

Yes but the first opinion is just a made up thought, which is both baseless and inflammatory. Best left in the person's head.

As for my opinion - my only opinion is the one above. Anything else is irrelevant.

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Tue May 01, 2018 3:56 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:No, not everyone, but not all Brighton fans are 'benders', and not all Brighton fans will be 'getting bummed in the morning', as our fans were singing to them.

Anyone singing this should really take pause and think. They shouldn’t knock it ‘til they’ve tried it. Getting Bummed in the morning is the Breakfast of Champions.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Tue May 01, 2018 3:58 pm

Lord Beamish wrote:Anyone singing this should really take pause and think. They shouldn’t knock it ‘til they’ve tried it. Getting Bummed in the morning is the Breakfast of Champions.

Chesterthedog · Post by **Chesterthedog** » Tue May 01, 2018 4:04 pm

Do you think I’ll still be able to shout, ‘Alli you’re a cheat’ next time we play Tottenham. I need clarification. Should I contact the FA. I wouldn’t like to get the club into any trouble.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Tue May 01, 2018 4:10 pm

Chesterthedog wrote:Do you think I’ll still be able to shout, ‘Alli you’re a cheat’ next time we play Tottenham. I need clarification. Should I contact the FA. I wouldn’t like to get the club into any trouble.

Don't say 'cheetah' though whatever you do.

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Tue May 01, 2018 4:12 pm

Racism and Homophobia, apparently.

thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Tue May 01, 2018 4:20 pm

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote:“Not proven”, doesn’t exist as a verdict. The FA have seen fit to make up a term...

Colburn_Claret wrote:There is no such thing as case not proven.

Nonsense. Not only a verdict in criminal law in Scotland but the decision used by the FA when cases are not proven;

http://www.thefa.com/-/media/files/thef ... -2018.ashx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"found not proven"
http://www.thefa.com/-/media/files/thef ... -2017.ashx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"not proved"
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"not proved"
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"not proved"
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"not proven"
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"did not find the Charge proven"

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Tue May 01, 2018 4:22 pm

... If they're going to investigate bong abuse...

That'll be every student campus bedroom in England, I'll bet.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Tue May 01, 2018 4:28 pm

Hey hey, we're not Monkeys
And we don't Monkey around
We're too busy booing
To be a monkey clown

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Tue May 01, 2018 4:52 pm

We booed him because Bong made a potential career altering accusation, knowing full well that he'd face no repurcussion if Jay wasn't convicted and that by even accusing him the news outlets would jump on it and sway public opinion instantly,

A false accusation should be given a severe punishment, just like a false rape accusation.
This is because these are serious allegations and incorrectly using them has a 'boy who cried wolf' effect.

So this was our way of saying, 'Bong that's out of order mate, we think you're a shitbag for playing the race card'

I do appreciate that Jay wasn't found 'not guilty' but was cleared after a full panel of experts had analysed the situation, so there is a bit of grey that makes the situation a tad unclear.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Tue May 01, 2018 4:53 pm

This whole event is turning into a microcosm of wider culture whereby many Burnley people (I.e. gritty northerners) don’t feel able to express themselves in their usual way these days.

By that I do NOT mean racism (if there was any, which I doubt), I mean sticking together and choosing to give grief to somebody who we believe has done something wrong. There will always be some people who choose to turn the other cheek, and others who choose to boo or say something to someone’s face. Neither are necessarily wrong, but causing offence now seems to be a crime in itself, and it shouldn’t be.

Let’s be honest, the wider media will always frown at a Burnley crowd conducting themselves in a robust, but genuine way. I hardly think this compares to Liverpool fans “welcoming” the City coach but a neutral would think it was judging by the media and FA reaction.

The only pleasing thing about this is that apart from about half a dozen ultra-liberals (the usual suspects), this and other threads confirm that most people pretty much share this view.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Tue May 01, 2018 4:58 pm

The irony is that on Brighton's board, the thread has now reached 80 pages and is littered with comments about how people from Burnley are racist, stupid, short of money, incestuous, and did I say racist? All this on a thread that deplores sterotyping people on the basis of where they come from.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Tue May 01, 2018 5:02 pm

What happens in future if a player does genuinely says something racist whilst his hand is covering his mouth?

What is the black player to do in that instance? Just ignore it as it could never be proven a racist remark was made if a player covers his mouth and it's out of earshot of everyone else?

Imagine if the black player played for Burnley.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Tue May 01, 2018 5:07 pm

Same as what happens if a player says something racist to another player out of the view of any cameras or any other people.
The offended person has the right to report the player but it will be very difficult to prove.

The thing is that in most walks of life if someone is genuinely racist then at some point in his life however much he tries not to he or she will get caught. And if that person has previously been let off with claims everyone will think that he was now guilty of them.

Its the same with any crime I suppose - you need to get caught.

Foshiznik · Post by **Foshiznik** » Tue May 01, 2018 5:07 pm

Now Tony is being dragged through the dirt via the local rag. This has turned rather unsavoury.

http://www.theargus.co.uk/sport/albion/ ... statement/

bob-the-scutter · Post by **bob-the-scutter** » Tue May 01, 2018 5:15 pm

[quote="UpTheBeehole"][/quote]
What else would you expect them to say?
22 players and the officials didn't hear anything at all!

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Tue May 01, 2018 5:25 pm

http://www.theargus.co.uk/sport/albion/ ... statement/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Haven't seen this any where on here.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Tue May 01, 2018 5:34 pm

Rammy1968 wrote:It's time people grew up and got on with life instead of being so upset about nothing.......

If only the Burnley fans had taken this advice on Saturday

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue May 01, 2018 5:45 pm

IanMcL wrote:Yes but the first opinion is just a made up thought, which is both baseless and inflammatory. Best left in the person's head.

As for my opinion - my only opinion is the one above. Anything else is irrelevant.

I think it's ridiculous and delusional to think that there aren't racist shouts or chants at every Burnley game.

uwe · Post by **uwe** » Tue May 01, 2018 5:51 pm

How dare they suggest that Tony Scholes lacks class!

(Clears throat)

“He’s one of our own: Tony Scholes, he’s one of our own!”

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Tue May 01, 2018 5:52 pm

Foshiznik wrote:Now Tony is being dragged through the dirt via the local rag. This has turned rather unsavoury.

http://www.theargus.co.uk/sport/albion/ ... statement/

What he’s said is spot on.

bob-the-scutter · Post by **bob-the-scutter** » Tue May 01, 2018 5:54 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Some Burnley fans are racist, for sure.

Rhymes with "Clucking Bell!"

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Tue May 01, 2018 5:57 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I think it's ridiculous and delusional to think that there aren't racist shouts or chants at every Burnley game.

Sorry but that’s utter horsesh1t, racist chanting is extremely rare indeed these days , of course you’ll get the odd knobhead (S) once a blue moon but to suggest that’s happening at “every game” is nonsensical

1968claret · Post by **1968claret** » Tue May 01, 2018 6:17 pm

Foshiznik wrote:Now Tony is being dragged through the dirt via the local rag. This has turned rather unsavoury.

http://www.theargus.co.uk/sport/albion/ ... statement/

Not sure he has been dragged through the dirt. He has been quoted quite fairly.
I also think that Tony has articulated Burnley fans thoughts very well. Comes across as reasoned but at the same time, challenging the BHA position.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Tue May 01, 2018 6:26 pm

thatdberight wrote:Nonsense. Not only a verdict in criminal law in Scotland but the decision used by the FA when cases are not proven;

http://www.thefa.com/-/media/files/thef ... -2018.ashx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"found not proven"
http://www.thefa.com/-/media/files/thef ... -2017.ashx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"not proved"
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"not proved"
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"not proved"
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"not proven"
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"did not find the Charge proven"

That doesn't change the fact that if it's not proven then he's innocent. That's what the 'law' says, innocent until proven guilty.
The way they read it out left Jay out to hang, because there will always be those who insist there's no smoke without fire et al. THAT wasn't fair on Jay, it wouldn't be fair if it had happened to any other footballer, regardless of club or colour. I still maintain that the FA only worded the statement that way in order to appease Bong, kick it out, the society of black lawyers, and all the other parties they feared would kick up a stink at a not guilty verdict.
Cowardly, and doesn't serve justice for either of them.
And the knock on effects of their cowardice we are reaping now.
We boo players all the time, as does every other club, but all of a sudden Burnley fans are being investigated because we're racists.
Utter ********.

yorkyclaret · Post by **yorkyclaret** » Tue May 01, 2018 6:26 pm

Win win situation for us, either it's proved and we get shot of the fan or fans who we don't want to be associated with the club anyway, or Brighton are shown up, and get done for wasting Police time.