CrosspoolClarets wrote:The bit I underestimated was the degree to which the establishment would fail to respect the vote, using trick after trick to persuade the public that the vote meant something different to what it did. Ireland being a classic example where it shouldn’t be the big issue they make it. They point to polls with a 1-2% swing to Remain, ignoring that status quo always prevails in polls when a tricky negotiation is underway, but that it reverts back later when hyperbole dies down.
I expcted the EU to do that, they have previous, but not a majority of our own MPs and media.
Of course, this has fired up every Brexit voter even more, and 17m fired up people isn’t going to end well. I have a suspicion that the animosity will last decades. Memories will be very, very long.
That of course is the reason why the negotiations are stuck in treacle. May was never the correct leader to deliver it but again, that was a stitch up by the MPs, ensuring she ran against Leadsom who the members would never vote for.
Now, we have the “fab three”, Morgan, Milliband and Clegg, virtue signalling to us from a basmati rice factory. Quite oblivious to the fact that the EU has forced Indian farmers to reduce pesticides by 99% in 3 years which will send most of them out of business and force up UK rice prices. A Commonwealth country. The three of them are breathtaking in their ignorance. They just don’t get that the British public have said “enough” and aren’t for turning.
CrosspoolClarets wrote:Oh, by the way, regarding nildesp’s point about the Irish border. Just because the EU and Anna Soubry (the same thing) say something doesn’t make it so.
We say we are leaving the CU full stop. We say we are not erecting infrastructure at the border, full stop. The GFA is more important than a few unregulated goods smuggled through. Were Ireland (who, despite all impressions, are still a sovereign country, well, a republic, but you know what I mean), to insist on border infrastructure on their side, let them. If these get targeted, their problem, not ours. If bullets start flying, let them. Seriously, when they know we aren’t for moving, a solution would be found pretty darn fast, probably one involving large fines for companies found to be breaking product standards rules.
We’ve been letting the tail (Ireland, a far smaller country) wag the dog. Time to show that the dog has some balls, so to speak.
I have no real problem with people like the OP and Ringo, but posts like the above really boil my p155.
You’re not stupid Crosspool. You know the only thing on the ballot paper was leave or remain in the EU. You know the government are honouring that vote, yet you accuse them of failing to respect it.
You know WTO rules demand a hard border if were not in a Customs Union, and you know that this isn’t just the EU’s problem. You know that people are likely to die if a hard Border is erected (yet, sickeningly you don’t seem to care - I think “if bullets start flying, let them” is one of the most heartless things I’ve ever read on here).
I suspect you also know what you’re doing with your talk of 17m fired up brexiters not ending well - ie threatening civil disobedience if everything doesn’t go exactly how you want it to (not what all 17m want, mind, just you and a few other Brexit fanatics).
You know all these things and you come on here and lie in the hope that less-informed people will believe you, because you think that will help your cause. It’s incredibly dishonest behaviour.
Have you ever thought of becoming a politician?
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