UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by thatdberight » Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:17 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Darling's prediction that the economy would collapse overnight, and it did collapse overnight.
So, even putting to one side the fact that, if the FTSE has rebounded since then you'll want to take back your original point since to do otherwise would be eye-wateringly inconsistent, do you know the meaning of "the economy". You are, quite literally, the only person in the world who claims the British "economy" "did collapse" "overnight" after the referendum.
This will of course only confirm what you already know so well; that the rest of the world is wrong and you're right.
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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by Imploding Turtle » Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:38 pm

thatdberight wrote:So, even putting to one side the fact that, if the FTSE has rebounded since then you'll want to take back your original point since to do otherwise would be eye-wateringly inconsistent, do you know the meaning of "the economy". You are, quite literally, the only person in the world who claims the British "economy" "did collapse" "overnight" after the referendum.
This will of course only confirm what you already know so well; that the rest of the world is wrong and you're right.
The FTSE has also rebounded from the 2008 crash, that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by Imploding Turtle » Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:44 pm

And do you want to talk about inconsistency, thatdberight? The other day you pulled me up on what is barely even a technicality over what constituted a campaign promise yet here you are defending Ringo when he accuses Darling of actually lying when he predicted an economic crash.

I'm just countering the bad logic that people are using to demonstrate that the economy didn't crash. Someone else mentioned the stock market as proof it didn't crash, i didn't bring it up. The markets did crash overnight. That is not evidence that supported their accusation that Darling "lied", if anything it is evidence that he was right. But instead of criticising them for bringing up the stock markets you're here criticising me for it. So tell me more about how i'm being inconsistent.

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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by dsr » Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:10 pm

In that sense of course you're right, turtle. As you know, investors lost confidence in the UK economy immediately after the Brexit vote and the stock market (not the economy) dropped. ("Crashed" would be too strong a word.) And as you also know, but carefully failed to point out, investors have since regained their confidence and with some to spare causing the stock market to rise to 20+% higher than it closed on referendum day.
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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by Imploding Turtle » Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:16 pm

dsr wrote:In that sense of course you're right, turtle. As you know, investors lost confidence in the UK economy immediately after the Brexit vote and the stock market (not the economy) dropped. ("Crashed" would be too strong a word.) And as you also know, but carefully failed to point out, investors have since regained their confidence and with some to spare causing the stock market to rise to 20+% higher than it closed on referendum day.
We're the slowest growing economy of the G8 countries. Yeah, they're super confident now. :roll:

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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by Clockwork Claret » Fri Oct 06, 2017 4:24 pm

NottsClaret wrote:And Turkey aren't joining the EU anyway. There's not even anything for the casual racists now.

Mind you, I'm looking forward to the World Trade Organisation elections, now we've taken back control. When are they?
So I'm a racist for voting brexit? Simple.

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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by Imploding Turtle » Fri Oct 06, 2017 4:37 pm

Clockwork Claret wrote:So I'm a racist for voting brexit? Simple.

Not for voting for Brexit, no.

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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by claretandy » Fri Oct 06, 2017 4:40 pm

Do. not. feed. the. Turtle. troll.
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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by UpTheBeehole » Fri Oct 06, 2017 4:46 pm

I see the Pound's on the slide again

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/business-41444155
Live: Pound on course for worst week in a year as Tory infighting stokes fears of instability
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/201 ... stability/

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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by UpTheBeehole » Fri Oct 06, 2017 4:50 pm

Key story in that link with reference to this thread:
Productivity down again as firms hire workers instead of investing in machines

Productivity fell through the first half of 2017 in the latest blow to hopes that wages will rise and prosperity take off, as workers’ are producing less output for each hour worked than they were a decade ago.

Rising productivity is a key factor in improving living standards over the long-run, so the fall in output per hour in both of the first two quarters of this year is a gloomy indicator.

Output per hour fell by 0.1pc from the first quarter of the year to the second, and is now 0.3pc below its level at the end of 2007, the Office for National Statistics said.

That means productivity is now 20pc lower than it was expected to be, if the pre-financial crisis rate of growth had been maintained.

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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by Clockwork Claret » Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:00 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Not for voting for Brexit, no.
Good to know.
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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by JegunClaret » Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:16 pm

Statistics are shite, they mean nothing. We will prevail. We are a country of hard working people and I would rather be here than anywhere else in Europe. We have to be positive and forget all the doom-mongering. It is up to us and not the lacklustre politicians. We have a great future ahead and it is us who will make it happen. Forget the EU, we have to make it happen, and we will.
UTC.
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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by Imploding Turtle » Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:26 pm

claretandy wrote:Do. not. feed. the. Turtle. troll.
This is the level we're dealing with, boy and girls. But lets try not to assume they're all like this.
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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by Imploding Turtle » Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:27 pm

JegunClaret wrote:Statistics are shite, they mean nothing. We will prevail. We are a country of hard working people and I would rather be here than anywhere else in Europe. We have to be positive and forget all the doom-mongering. It is up to us and not the lacklustre politicians. We have a great future ahead and it is us who will make it happen. Forget the EU, we have to make it happen, and we will.
UTC.
Good luck understanding football results with the attitude that statistics mean nothing.

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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by JegunClaret » Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:39 pm

Good luck understanding football results with the attitude that statistics mean nothing.

I do not understand statistics but I do understand results and I see that we are 6th in the table with 12 points. These are the statistics that I do understand!

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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by Imploding Turtle » Fri Oct 06, 2017 6:10 pm

JegunClaret wrote:Good luck understanding football results with the attitude that statistics mean nothing.

I do not understand statistics but I do understand results and I see that we are 6th in the table with 12 points. These are the statistics that I do understand!

6th and 12 points are useless statistics. Pay no attention to them.

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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by RingoMcCartney » Fri Oct 06, 2017 6:29 pm

thatdberight wrote:So, even putting to one side the fact that, if the FTSE has rebounded since then you'll want to take back your original point since to do otherwise would be eye-wateringly inconsistent, do you know the meaning of "the economy". You are, quite literally, the only person in the world who claims the British "economy" "did collapse" "overnight" after the referendum.
This will of course only confirm what you already know so well; that the rest of the world is wrong and you're right.
A fine, fine post.

"Economy" ""stock market"

You can lead an idiot to water......... :lol:

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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by JegunClaret » Fri Oct 06, 2017 6:29 pm

Useless maybe? If we survive then I will worship statistics. They will prove we are are on the front foot.

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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by Blackrod » Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:39 pm

Another one of these ' a little knowkedge is dangerous ' threads. A feeble attempt to lay something negative at Brexit's door.

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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Oct 06, 2017 8:24 pm

No need really, as you don't have to actually look very far to find something that is undeniably Brexits fault.

I think you happy Brexiteers missed this thread

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britai ... KKBN1CA0KV" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

and this bit of info

https://twitter.com/markpalexander/stat ... 2391200773" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by dsr » Fri Oct 06, 2017 10:02 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:No need really, as you don't have to actually look very far to find something that is undeniably Brexits fault.

I think you happy Brexiteers missed this thread

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britai ... KKBN1CA0KV" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

and this bit of info

https://twitter.com/markpalexander/stat ... 2391200773" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I didn't miss the thread. But I'm really more concerned about the UK's problems and opportunities, not Germany's problems and opportunities; and if Germany is indeed worried about their €29 billion car export business, that can surely only help the UK's negotiating position, not hinder it.

Is the wages real-terms reduction on an hourly rate basis, or in total?

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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by UpTheBeehole » Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:11 am

UK trade gap swells
In a double-dose of bad news, Britain’s trade gap with the rest of the world has worsened.

The total UK trade deficit widened by £1.9bn to £9.7bn in the three months to April 2018, due mainly to falling exports of both goods and services.

UK trade gap
Photograph: ONS
Here’s the details:

Goods exports fell £3.1 billion, due mainly to falls in exports of machinery, pharmaceuticals and aircraft, while services exports also fell £2.5 billion in the three months to April 2018.
Falling volumes was the main reason for the declines in exports of machinery, pharmaceuticals and aircraft in the three months to April 2018 as price movements were relatively small.
The UK’s trade in goods deficit improved £0.6 billion with countries outside of the EU and worsened £1.2 billion with countries inside the EU in the three months to April 2018.
In April alone, the trade gap widened to nearly £5.3bn. Britain ran a surplus of £8.7bn on services, but that was more than wiped out by a £14bn deficit in goods.
This morning’s economic data paints a rather grim picture of the UK economy.

Here’s the ONS’s head of national accounts, Rob Kent-Smith:

“Manufacturing fell in the three months to April with electrical machinery and steel for infrastructure projects seeing reduced production. International demand continued to slow and the domestic market remained subdued. However, oil and gas production grew strongly in the aftermath of the Forties pipeline closure at the end of last year.

“While construction output saw a small bounceback in April after a poor start to the year, over the longer-term this sector continues to contract with significant falls across most types of work.

“Construction orders fell for a second successive quarter after recent boosts from large rail projects. However, new housing orders reached their highest level since before the economic downturn.

“The trade deficit widened as exports fell by more than imports, with exports of goods and services both declining. Exports of machinery, aircraft and pharmaceuticals all saw notable falls.”
BCC: Trade war fears are hurting
Suren Thiru, head of economics at the British Chambers of Commerce (BCC), fears that trade war fears are already hurting UK exporters.

Here’s his take on Britain’s widening trade gap:

“The deterioration in the UK’s trade position in April is a concern and means that the UK’s trade deficit remains significantly higher than the historical average. This deterioration largely reflects a marked decline in exports in the month.

It is possible that the UK is now moving past the recent sweet spot for exporters, with growth in key markets moderating and the impact of the post-EU referendum slump in sterling, which has helped some exporters, subsiding. The possibility of an escalating trade war has added to the downside risks for exporters.

“More must be done to support UK exporters by addressing longstanding issues, from the lack of practical support for exporters to chronic skills shortages.”
Dharshini David
(@DharshiniDavid)
plunge in manufacturing output in April comes as export volumes see biggest drop since end-2016.... Brexit concerns leading to UK firms being chopped out of supply chains already?

June 11, 2018
Dharshini David
(@DharshiniDavid)
shock drop in manufacturing output (drops 1.4% on month, biggest fall for 5yrs) contradicts survey evidence and Bank of England hopes for rebound at start Q2. Underlines fragility of economy. Chances of summer rate rise recede?
All this weak economic data is bad for the pound.

Sterling has shed half a cent against the US dollar to $1.335. It’s down a similar amount against the euro, to €1.134.

The 1.4% tumble in UK manufacturing output in April has come as a nasty shock to economists, who had expected a small rise. It undermines hopes that the UK economy was bouncing back from its slowdown last winter.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/li ... iness-live

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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by RocketLawnChair » Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:46 am

Things like this only bother you if you are daft enough to believe economies should only go in one direction. It really is Que Sara Sara. Historical data shows it’s the worst slump for 5 years no doubt the slump 5 years ago was worse than the one before that. Eat Sleep Rave Repeat...

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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by ClaretMoffitt » Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:07 pm

RocketLawnChair wrote:Things like this only bother you if you are daft enough to believe economies should only go in one direction. It really is Que Sara Sara. Historical data shows it’s the worst slump for 5 years no doubt the slump 5 years ago was worse than the one before that. Eat Sleep Rave Repeat...

Or if it supports your political agenda at that current time.

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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by KateR » Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:12 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote on the 7 July 2017:
Trade deficit widened by £2bn in 3 months, now stands at £11.86bn!!

So by the same poster the new figures show a drop from 11.866bn to 9.7bn April 2018, posted June 11 2018.

Good news indeed, thank you for a more accurate description of what has happened during the last year rather than cherry picking and trying to paint the blackest picture you can. If you're merely working of 3 months off data don't play with the markets as you're very likely to get burnt.

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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by RingoMcCartney » Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:22 pm

Just nipped outside. And it's brilliant news folks!

The sky is still where it's supposed to be! Despite rumours to the contrary it has not fallen in. Repeat. The sky has not fallen in.

Relax and look forward to the fantastic colourful, festival of football that is the world cup.

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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by Chobulous » Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:24 pm

So at one point the trade deficit must have been 7.8 billion if it rose by 1.9 billion to 9.7 billion a drop of 4 billion (33%) from the figure that was posted in July 2017 or is my maths as bad as UpHisArsehole's. Typical cut and paste job without first actually checking.

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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by UpTheBeehole » Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:28 pm

UK manufacturing output falls at swiftest rate since 2012

Slowing investment spending at home and abroad meant the UK’s manufacturing sector unexpectedly contracted during April, as production dropped at the sharpest rate since October 2012.

Manufacturing output fell by 1.4 per cent in April compared to the previous month, the Office for National Statistics said on Monday. Analysts had expected an expansion of 0.3 per cent.

Global growth helped to increase demand for British metal products, transport equipment and electronic goods last year, but a slowdown in export growth as well as the end of big infrastructure projects, such as London’s Crossrail, reduced production at the start of this year.

“Manufacturing fell in the three months to April with electrical machinery and steel for infrastructure projects seeing reduced production,” said Rob Kent-Smith, head of national accounts at the ONS. “International demand continued to slow and the domestic market remained subdued.”

The weak figures will dent hopes that the UK economy will bounce back in the second quarter of the year following a weak first quarter. The Bank of England said one-off factors, including poor weather, were to blame in part for the poor first quarter performance.

“A miserable and thoroughly worrying set of UK data that fan concerns over the UK economy,” said Howard Archer, chief economic adviser to the EY ITEM club.

“While March’s poor performance had clearly been influenced markedly by the severe weather, there are few mitigating factors for a slump in UK manufacturing output in April, a tepid rise in construction output and a sharply widened trade deficit as exports nosedived,” he said.

Overall industrial production, which includes the UK’s North Sea oil and gasfields and its utilities sector, contracted at a month-on-month rate of 0.8 per cent, far below expectations of a 0.2 per cent rise.

Meanwhile, construction output rebounded in April, but only by 0.5 per cent, leaving the sector 3.3 per cent smaller than it was a year ago, after its longest period of contraction since 2013.

The slowdown in production was due to persistent weakness in domestic demand combined with slowing export growth, the ONS said. Growth in export turnover peaked in January 2017 at 18.2 per cent but fell to just 1.6 per cent in the three months to April.

Trade figures published on Monday alongside the output data showed that the UK’s trade deficit widened in April to its largest level since October 2016, as the level of exports fell faster than the level of imports.

The UK’s total trade deficit widened to £9.7bn in the three months to the end of April, from £7.8bn in the previous month, partly due to a sharp decline in manufacturing exports.

“Excluding oil and erratics, goods exports fell by 3 per cent, which marked the largest three-monthly decrease since March 2016,” the ONS said.

Sterling took a hit after the latest economic data were published on Monday. Having been higher against the dollar earlier in the morning, the pound traded down 0.2 per cent on the session, to $1.3364, following the figures, a move of 0.5 per cent lower from its day-high.
https://www.ft.com/content/d76f495c-6d5 ... b934ff5ffa

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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by Spijed » Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:29 pm

And all this despite a post Brexit UK-USA trade deal likely to be in tatters before it's even been negotiated after what's happened at the G7 summit!

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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by evensteadiereddie » Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:33 pm

I know but at least it's OUR financial disaster, OUR lack of prospects and OUR worsening standards of living.
Makes you feel proud to be British, doesn't it.

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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by Burnley Ace » Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:45 pm

Today -

1) U.K. construction output fell 3.3%
2) trade balance 19 month low -£5.28bn
3) Manufacturing output -1.4% biggest fall for 5 years
4) £ down against € and $
5) Poundland goes into administration
6) UK economy grew 0.2% in last quarter

But don’t worry Toyota might invest some cash if we get a decent transitional deal.

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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by KateR » Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:54 pm

above all remember borders are still open, you can leave anytime to go and live in which Utopia you dream of in 27 countries of the EU, you can avoid the disaster of financial ruin, you'll obviously have so many more prospects, your standard of living is bound to increase as the rest who elect to stay continue to go down the toilet of an isolationist UK

Personally I and my family saw no big jump if our lifestyle or standard of living when we joined the EU and I am convinced I and my family will see no fall either when we leave.

But do continue throwing those "facts" out there if you really believe it and what the effects will be down the line.

Maybe someone should look and quote the USA deficit and advise those poor Americans about how there life is going to be changing so much in the near future, which will of course have a negative impact on the rest of the world and obviously the UK, we are doomed when one looks at every fact as it comes out! I mean obviously there is no good data coming from anywhere, think I'll go and sharpen the knife ready for the wrist slitting soon, doomed, doomed.

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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by RocketLawnChair » Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:01 pm

Perhaps because of all the slumps 5 years ago and all the slumps before them slumps perhaps to stop the slumping we should try something different to stop all these slumps. Or perhaps we will keep having slumps like we have always had slumps. I'm the slumpisest man in slumpsville.
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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:05 pm

I'm guessing that the only way people will accept we might be worse off is when you get our P45 with a message from your boss saying that "voting brexit has effectively cost you your job"

And then they will still go "Its all the EUs fault"

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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by bpgburn » Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:07 pm

What did some people blame previous slumps on before there was Brexit to blame I wonder?

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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by RocketLawnChair » Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:11 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I'm guessing that the only way people will accept we might be worse off is when you get our P45 with a message from your boss saying that "voting brexit has effectively cost you your job"

And then they will still go "Its all the EUs fault"
Well that' P45 scenario happened too me three times in pre Brexit Britain between 1990 to 2012. So I am struggling to see the difference. You never know it might not happen this time, Or have The Guardian guaranteed it will?

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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by RocketLawnChair » Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:12 pm

bpgburn wrote:What did some people blame previous slumps on before there was Brexit to blame I wonder?
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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:15 pm

You got told that because of Brexit you lost your job between 1990 to 2012?

Think you might ever so slightly not be getting my point, or choosing to ignore it because you might not want to accept it will happen to thousands of people because of Brexit.

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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by RingoMcCartney » Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:25 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:You got told that because of Brexit you lost your job between 1990 to 2012?

Think you might ever so slightly not be getting my point, or choosing to ignore it because you might not want to accept it will happen to thousands of people because of Brexit.

If someone's not getting the point, it's you Lancaster Claret. In a massive and embarrassing way! I thought thought were better than that! :lol:

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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:36 pm

Cheers Ringo

Not sure Rocketlawnchair wants you on his side to be perfectly honest!

Of course people will still lose jobs (and gain them!) that will be absolutely nothing to do with Brexit, but if Brexit causes a slump (and yes, I do take it that there are sadly troughs and slumps in our economic model, but this one will be 100% because of decisions we've taken) people will suffer.

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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by RocketLawnChair » Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:39 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:You got told that because of Brexit you lost your job between 1990 to 2012?

Think you might ever so slightly not be getting my point, or choosing to ignore it because you might not want to accept it will happen to thousands of people because of Brexit.
That’s desperate Lancaster Claret.
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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:40 pm

In the Real world the construction industry around here is going nuts, crying out for men left right and centre.

As well as all the other industries.

All I seem to see on facebook at the moment is people sharing friends companies need workers.

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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:46 pm

As desperate as saying you lost your job between 1990 and 2012 on a thread about Brexit?

I seriously doubt it.

No one likes losing a job, but I'd be especially annoyed if I'd lost it because a bunch of elites convinced a load of people that all our problems would mysteriously disappear if we voted to leave the EU.

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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by dsr » Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:04 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:... I'd be especially annoyed if I'd lost it because a bunch of elites convinced a load of people that all our problems would mysteriously disappear if we voted to leave the EU.
I'm surprised you consider the leading anti-Brexiteers were elite people.

Or did you mean Cameron and his friends?

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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:07 pm

You are seriously saying they are not the elite?

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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by JohnMcGreal » Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:09 pm

dsr wrote:I'm surprised you consider the leading anti-Brexiteers were elite people.

Or did you mean Cameron and his friends?
He might have meant the Russian elite, to be fair.

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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by RocketLawnChair » Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:13 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:As desperate as saying you lost your job between 1990 and 2012 on a thread about Brexit?

I seriously doubt it.

No one likes losing a job, but I'd be especially annoyed if I'd lost it because a bunch of elites convinced a load of people that all our problems would mysteriously disappear if we voted to leave the EU.
You fully understand the point I was making. However I concede you are far smarter than me which clearly as a staunch remainer is exactly what you want to hear. I’m neither remain or leave I just accept from time to time **** happens.

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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:19 pm

Eh?

You posted about losing your job between 1992-2010 and yes, I get that "****" happens and its never fun.

My comment was that people could lose their jobs, be told they have lost their jobs because of Brexit and they would still walk out going "Its all the EU fault".

And I have to let you know, the happiness that way too many people appear to have about not knowing stuff I find completely appalling. Its not like anyone is asking you to take an exam in it, its just to read a bit about it so the understanding is there.

When you are talking about decisions that affect the whole country, then surely its the least that some of you could do?

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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by Burnley Ace » Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:37 pm

KateR wrote:
But do continue throwing those "facts" out there if you really believe it and what the effects will be down.
Why the inverted commas? Do you not think these “facts” matter or do you just not understand them?

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Re: UK Economy suffers Triple Blow

Post by quoonbeatz » Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:40 pm

Burnley Ace wrote:Why the inverted commas? Do you not think these “facts” matter or do you just not understand them?
KateR lives in america so her concept of facts is very different to what it means here.

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