Migrant Child Seperation

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:16 pm

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The claims by the trolls have been fact checked and to no surprise they've been found to be bullshit.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:30 pm

How would critics of this policy like to see Illegal immigrants handled instead?
Key word being illegal.

I respect that people get desperate and try to border hop, and I'm very fortunate to have been born into a relatively wealthy country but... There has to be a control on migration.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:38 pm

I doubt anyone thinks there is an easy solution to this and professes to have the answers. What you can do is recognise the policys that are clearly not the answer and separating children from their parents is obviously one of them

if Trump just executed them all you could use the same ridiculous logic you seem to be pointing towards that if you dont have the answer dont criticise

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:41 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote: if Trump just executed them all you could use the same ridiculous logic you seem to be pointing towards that if you dont have the answer dont criticise

Little bit ridiculous that my man

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:42 pm

CoolClaret wrote:Little bit ridiculous that my man

It is ridiculous and that was the point because the example is more extreme but the logic used is no different to yours about separating parent and child

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:44 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:It is ridiculous and that was the point because the example is more extreme but the logic used is no different to yours about separating parent and child

I never said that I'm a supporter of said policy.... I really don't know how to feel about it

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:46 pm

He can't be far away from flat out calling Democrats the "enemy". Here he is today saying they don't care about crime and that they want actual human being to "infest" America.

"Democrats are the problem. They don’t care about crime and want illegal immigrants, no matter how bad they may be, to pour into and infest our Country, like MS-13."

CoolClaret wrote:How would critics of this policy like to see Illegal immigrants handled instead?
Key word being illegal.

I respect that people get desperate and try to border hop, and I'm very fortunate to have been born into a relatively wealthy country but... There has to be a control on migration.

How about not separating children from their parents? Duh!

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:49 pm

I never said you did but I think casualy throwing the question back to the people opposing the policy is lazy and not helpful so was just countering it.

Based on the second part of your first post I got the impression you weren't somebody who would support a policy like that

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:50 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:How about not separating children from their parents? Duh!

He can't be far away from flat out calling Democrats the "enemy". Here he is today saying they don't care about crim and that they want actual human being to "infest" America.

"Democrats are the problem. They don’t care about crime and want illegal immigrants, no matter how bad they may be, to pour into and infest our Country, like MS-13."

To be fair, the weird support that some prominent liberals were giving in the wake of Trump calling MS-13 gang members 'animals' was well... weird.

Juarez just a few miles south of the border is one of the most dangerous cities on Earth, ran by the cartel etc.

If I lived in SoCal, I'd sure as hell want a strong border and to make sure that hopefully 0 of the barbarians from Juarez could get across the border.

Dy1geo · Post by **Dy1geo** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:30 pm

CoolClaret wrote:How would critics of this policy like to see Illegal immigrants handled instead?
Key word being illegal.

I respect that people get desperate and try to border hop, and I'm very fortunate to have been born into a relatively wealthy country but... There has to be a control on migration.

You hit the nail on the head, it’s really easy to criticise the policy but don’t then offer a solution. I personally don’t think separating families is the answer but Trump and Sessions have made it quite clear that families will be separated if they try to enter the US illegally rather than through an official centre where they could apply for asylum so if a family tries to enter illegally in the future knowing the consequences and risks involved they only have themselves to blame if they get caught.

The wider issue is economic disparity and it is in the US interests to improve the economies of their neighbours.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:40 pm

Dy1geo wrote:You hit the nail on the head, it’s really easy to criticise the policy but don’t then offer a solution. I personally don’t think separating families is the answer but Trump and Sessions have made it quite clear that families will be separated if they try to enter the US illegally rather than through an official centre where they could apply for asylum so if a family tries to enter illegally in the future knowing the consequences and risks involved they only have themselves to blame if they get caught.

The wider issue is economic disparity and it is in the US interests to improve the economies of their neighbours.

What is this solving? You complain that those of us criticising this inhumane policy don't have a solution, so what exactly is this policy a solution to?

Dy1geo · Post by **Dy1geo** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:53 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:What is this solving? You complain that those of us criticising this inhumane policy don't have a solution, so what exactly is this policy a solution to?

The Policy is trying to “persuade” people from making dangerous trips leaving their countries of origin in the hope of making a better life for their families. I can totally understand a family doing this but unfortunately there are not sufficient resources to cater for unlimited immigration so countries to safeguard their own citizens access to welfare etc have to put barriers in place. Like I said I don’t agree with the separation element and the way to stop it is to promote economic development of neighbouring countries.

duncandisorderly · Post by **duncandisorderly** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:57 pm

duncandisorderly wrote:Ok ta. So Dan Hodges, Mail on Sunday, in claretandys link, is a jew taking the ****?

Sorry to quote myself but I genuinely don't know. I'm not partisan, have no agenda and these political threads are educational to me so I prefer to read (before all the bickering begins at least!) than get involved above my station, and this has puzzled me - so educate me!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:03 pm

Dy1geo wrote:The Policy is trying to “persuade” people from making dangerous trips leaving their countries of origin in the hope of making a better life for their families. I can totally understand a family doing this but unfortunately there are not sufficient resources to cater for unlimited immigration so countries to safeguard their own citizens access to welfare etc have to put barriers in place. Like I said I don’t agree with the separation element and the way to stop it is to promote economic development of neighbouring countries.

Trump isn't interested in the economic development of neighbouring countries. He's made that much crystal clear. And his administration has already made it clear that these aren't intended to "set an example".

This policy isn't going to achieve what they want it to. The only thing it's going to achieve is destroy whatever would have been left of US credibility when it comes to human rights after they decided today to withdraw from the UN Human Rights Council. But maybe that's the intention.

It's probably the most evil thing Trump has done. So far. And he doesn't have to do it. Nothing that was wrong with the previous policy will be solved by this. And for thousands of children it will leave them traumatised for life. Surely that's too high a price to pay to stop someone from picking fruit in your country.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:12 pm

To be honest, Muff, I don't think being disgusted by this stuff is anything to do with being a liberal or a leftie or whatever other bone-idle label you wish to apply, it's to do with supporting basic human decency and being appalled by how the administration of one of the world's wealthiest and influential nations can choose to act like this.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:27 pm

Seperation ?

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:33 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:If its not fishing, then it means you are a ****.

And I hope you are not a dad with an attitude like that.

Still, you do admire Tommy Robinson so its not like we should be surprised is it?

You've lost the plot recently a bit lad btw

Lost the plot? Look who's talking. Lenin.

LordBob · Post by **LordBob** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:45 pm

I've read a few comments on this typical IT post and I agree with those that believe they shouldn't be here I'm more concerned with the BBC article I read today about the terrorist mothers returning from Syria after playing their part in evil destruction of people and places, same lot, same ideals same evil almanac.

Lauren12 · Post by **Lauren12** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:46 pm

Just appalled by this. Will achieve nothing. I cant even think of the right words to use for something like this, it's just utterly wrong.

Seperating traumatised children and putting them inside cages in detention centres for months (?) on end because their penniless parents (illegally) crossed over the border into a neighbouring country, a country so rich that fluffy pekinese dogs wear Gucci sunglasses and get carried around in silk lined handbags.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:49 pm

Just think about it. If these shaking, terrified kids being terrified is meant to send a message, that means the objective is for these kids to be shaking, terrified and crying. Imagine being someone who supports a policy that is designed to traumatise and terrify children. Think about that.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:02 pm

Lost the plot? Look who's talking. Lenin

Just how right wing are you you tool?

I vote Lib Dem, think Corbyn is a knob and I think this policy is disgusting because I'm a human being.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:13 pm

said it a million times before and I'll say it until my last breath - Donald Trump is one of the most evil ***** to walk the face of the earth

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:35 pm

I'm not interested over much in politics.

But I am interested in the welfare of children.

This disgusts me as does Trump's attitude.

God bless all those poor children and their parents.

PutTheWheelieBinsOut · Post by **PutTheWheelieBinsOut** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:33 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Just think about it. If these shaking, terrified kids being terrified is meant to send a message, that means the objective is for these kids to be shaking, terrified and crying. Imagine being someone who supports a policy that is designed to traumatise and terrify children. Think about that.

If those shaking, terrified and crying kids were in a ghetto called Palestine you would have no sympathy for them, only sympathy for the Israeli state who created their ghetto.

Let's hope these kids or their parents for that matter don't throw stones behind some american barrier fence, as you think for that 'crime' being shot by soldiers is justifiable.

Or maybe it suits your politics to care about these kids?

Yes imagine being someone who supports a policy that terrifys and traumatised children...... Well you don't need too

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:35 am

...could be worse.

They could be subjected to the **** on here.

Give it a rest Imploding Titwank, your obsession with Trump and everything American is boring to tears.

Don't you have a pro-Corbyn message / pop at the Tories or SOMETHING MARGIANLLY RELEVANT to copy and paste off Twitter?

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:13 am

IanMcL wrote:Trump is a problem for the human race.

The migration of millions of people from sh!t countries to a better country is the main problem.

The main problem needs sorting,then they wouldn't be the secondary problem.

Ffs some people

Claret-On-A-T-Rex · Post by **Claret-On-A-T-Rex** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:30 am

I sometimes fear that

people think that fascism arrives in fancy dress
worn by grotesques and monsters
as played out in endless re-runs of the Nazis.

Fascism arrives as your friend.
It will restore your honour,
make you feel proud,
protect your house,
give you a job,
clean up the neighbourhood,
remind you of how great you once were,
clear out the venal and the corrupt,
remove anything you feel is unlike you…

It doesn’t walk in saying,
“Our programme means militias, mass imprisonments, transportations, war and persecution.”

Michael Rosen

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:08 am

The main problem needs sorting,then they wouldn't be the secondary problem.

Yeah it does, but that would involve foreign aid, and what do you lot want to do with foreign aid?

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:28 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Yeah it does, but that would involve foreign aid, and what do you lot want to do with foreign aid?

Don't you find yourself thinking "if only I" sometimes ? You seem to have all the answers to everything, understand things far more than anyone and anyone who doesn't agree with you is wrong.

Perhaps you could lead have led the remain party or solved poverty around the world instead of preaching on a forum. It is like brexit has taken over your life.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:52 am

Have you all seen this ****?

PutTheWheelieBinsOut wrote:If those shaking, terrified and crying kids were in a ghetto called Palestine you would have no sympathy for them, only sympathy for the Israeli state who created their ghetto.

Let's hope these kids or their parents for that matter don't throw stones behind some american barrier fence, as you think for that 'crime' being shot by soldiers is justifiable.

Or maybe it suits your politics to care about these kids?

Yes imagine being someone who supports a policy that terrifys and traumatised children...... Well you don't need too

This is what it looks like when because you have selective outrage you expect everyone else to have selective outrage.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:58 am

starting_11 wrote:...could be worse.

They could be subjected to the **** on here.

Give it a rest Imploding Titwank, your obsession with Trump and everything American is boring to tears.

Don't you have a pro-Corbyn message / pop at the Tories or SOMETHING MARGIANLLY RELEVANT to copy and paste off Twitter?

Our largest, oldest ally has concentration camps for children and you think i'm only talking about it because of who is creating them. And you find it "boring" (or maybe Göring). I think that says all anyone needs to know about you.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:05 am

Don't you find yourself thinking "if only I" sometimes ? You seem to have all the answers to everything, understand things far more than anyone and anyone who doesn't agree with you is wrong.

Perhaps you could lead have led the remain party or solved poverty around the world instead of preaching on a forum. It is like brexit has taken over your life.

Not at all!

I know answers to stuff that I know about, you won't find me commentating on stuff I know nowt about.

Now if only that was the case for everybody on here eh?

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:10 am

starting_11 wrote:...could be worse.

They could be subjected to the **** on here.

Give it a rest Imploding Titwank, your obsession with Trump and everything American is boring to tears.

Don't you have a pro-Corbyn message / pop at the Tories or SOMETHING MARGIANLLY RELEVANT to copy and paste off Twitter?

Pretty sure it's just a coping mechanism. There is a few on here who have been shook to the core in recent years politically and this forum provides them with an outlet to project their terror and dismay.

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:15 am

So?

Have a pop about Australia cos theirs is just as bad.

Or did AMERICA do something to you? Or is it just TRUMP?

-MAGA

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:19 am

Dunno about that.

I just like taking the **** out of people who haven't got a clue about what they talk about, or refuse to accept that what they support has got very serious consequences.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:21 am

No surprise that the people who are c*nts about everything else are c*nts about this.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:22 am

Harsh but fair, UTB, Harsh but fair

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:24 am

starting_11 wrote:So?

Have a pop about Australia cos theirs is just as bad.

Or did AMERICA do something to you? Or is it just TRUMP?

-MAGA

In what way is Australia's just as bad? Do they have toddler prisons too? Are they, as a matter policy, deliberately removing children from their parents? Are they, as a matter of policy, deliberately terrifying children? Can you provide anything whatsoever to back up your statement that theirs is "just as bad".

We're talking about internment camps for children deliberately removed from their parents. Deliberately terrified. And you're here being an apologist for it because you don't like the people who are outraged by it. Think about that.

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:27 am

They'll think twice about it.

Job done.

MAGA

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:18 am

starting_11 wrote:They'll think twice about it.

Job done.

MAGA

So you support deliberately traumatising children if it means other people will think twice about crossing a border without permission. Is that what you're saying? Because it really seems like that's what you're saying.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:22 am

Bottom line with this is that any self professed civilised society should not be treating people (illegal or otherwise) in such a way.

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:33 am

It's the parents choice.

MAGA

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:38 am

starting_11 wrote:It's the parents choice.

MAGA

I feel sorry for yours.

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:50 am

starting_11 wrote:It's the parents choice.

MAGA

Tell their crying kids that

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:02 pm

There is selective outrage on here for sure, on both sides of the argument.

Again Northern Mexico is one if the most murderous areas of the world, If I lived in Socal I'd sure as hell want a strong border,

Anyone with a suggestion? There are cases of smugglers using kids to border hop.
It's a hard situation, i don't know the correct answer.

Think that people really need to stop resorting to insults when debating on here, analyse a point and refute it... It's really childish

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:05 pm

Tweet from Sir Alan Sugar has triggered a few in twitter land.

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:06 pm

CoolClaret wrote: Think that people really need to stop resorting to insults when debating on here, analyse a point and refute it... It's really childish

He only does that when he doesn't have an answer he can copy and paste from Reddit.

...happens a lot

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:06 pm

There is a strong border.

What this is about is people thinking its ok to separate kids from families because they are crossing the border illegally.

No problem with the families being in camps, as you can't have no border.

To be honest, I cannot get my head around anyone who thinks its a good idea or even remotely sensible to separate kids from their parents in this way.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:21 pm

For those of you who believe its something to do with Hilary Clinton, Obama and absolutely nothing to do with President Trump

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CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:29 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:said it a million times before and I'll say it until my last breath - Donald Trump is one of the most evil ***** to walk the face of the earth

Absolutely ridiculous, so you're equating Trump with Hitler, Stalin, Pot, Leopald, Mao.

One of the most absurd statements that will ever be made on this messageboard.