ARTICLE: Dawson says no to Portugal trip

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:43 am

One of two players refusing to go on West Brom pre-season trip

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LoveCurryPies · Post by **LoveCurryPies** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:46 am

Stolen taxis?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:48 am

LoveCurryPies wrote:Stolen taxis?

Couldn't resist

edison · Post by **edison** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:58 am

`as yet' - made me chuckle

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:03 am

Dyche may not be after him now he knows that he likes to throw his toys out of the pram.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:07 am

Obviously such an indisaplined and Bolshi player won’t get on with Dyche here

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:11 am

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Dyche may not be after him now he knows that he likes to throw his toys out of the pram.

We still signed Tarkowski!

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:13 am

IanMcL wrote:We still signed Tarkowski!

In all fairness, Tarky's circumstances were very different. Brentford had said they'd help him get a move and then didn't. He felt it was the only way because of his need to get back to the North West.

Pearcey · Post by **Pearcey** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:13 am

Tarky downed tools didn’t he? Not good behaviour but if it forces a move to us then I’ll take it. Stolen Taxi’s!

Bit slow with this post.

Long Time Lurker · Post by **Long Time Lurker** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:57 am

ClaretTony wrote:In all fairness, Tarky's circumstances were very different.

Never had a problem with this one. If you make an agreement with another party and they don't keep their word a down tools and move on response is a fair one, especially in Tarks circumstances at that time.

Not entirely sure how I feel about this Dawson one though.

On the one hand its a fairly solid statement, which could be considered a step up from his wishy washy transfer request of a few years ago. And if things are as dishevelled in the WBA recruitement camp as they are rumoured to be then a stay at home action could be considered acceptable by some.

Personally, I would land on the side of it not being acceptable. Until he leaves he is a WBA player who is being paid to do a job, so he should continue to turn up and conduct himself as a full team member (like Jay is doing). Unless he made a prior agreement with WBA that he would be leaving if a fair offer came in and their insistence on a vastly inflated price is contravening that.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:59 am

Think we should give up on Dawson and look elsewhere,if West Ham are after him and he has to choose between us and them we have no chance

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:01 am

Steve1956 wrote:Think we should give up on Dawson and look elsewhere,if West Ham are after him and he has to choose between us and them we have no chance

Would not agree with that at all - why would he automatically choose West Ham? We are in Europe, we are closer to his home? No reason to suggest he would go there. He might do, of course, but I wouldn't think for one minute we would have no chance.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:04 am

ClaretTony wrote:Would not agree with that at all - why would he automatically choose West Ham? We are in Europe, we are closer to his home? No reason to suggest he would go there. He might do, of course, but I wouldn't think for one minute we would have no chance.

Money?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:06 am

Steve1956 wrote:Money?

Doesn't always work like that - players signed us last summer for money they could have beaten elsewhere.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:10 am

Dawson is up for coming to us.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:17 am

My source says that terms were agreed with Rodriguez and Dawson a good while ago. The only stumbling block is the valuation between the two clubs, and they were a LONG way apart.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:20 am

Steve1956 wrote:Money?

He’ll get good money at Burnley
Would be nearer to his home / family
And he would avoid the basket case club that is West Ham. He only needs to look at the last centre back who decided the grass was greener and move to West Ham. Look at Jose Fonte now - playing in China where he lost 8-0 in his first game ! Yes he will be filthy rich but he is playing thousands of mile from his home and in a league that is on a par with the Vanarama and nearly as bad as the Scottish league !!!!

BOYSIE31 · Post by **BOYSIE31** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:21 am

second time he has thrown toys out of pram for a move to Burnley - so Dyche must like this sort of player in his dressing room then eh

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:22 am

UpTheBeehole wrote:My source says that terms were agreed with Rodriguez and Dawson a good while ago. The only stumbling block is the valuation between the two clubs, and they were a LONG way apart.

if the two clubs haven't agreed then we can't even talk to the players.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:23 am

ClaretTony wrote:Doesn't always work like that - players signed us last summer for money they could have beaten elsewhere.

No worries,time will tell I suppose

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:23 am

BOYSIE31 wrote:second time he has thrown toys out of pram for a move to Burnley - so Dyche must like this sort of player in his dressing room then eh

???????

We made an offer for Dawson in 2014, it was turned down and he signed a new deal at West Brom in any case.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:24 am

Steve1956 wrote:No worries,time will tell I suppose

No guarantees but, as hard it is to believe, some players don't always go for the most money.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:26 am

ClaretTony wrote:No guarantees but, as hard it is to believe, some players don't always go for the most money.

There not all Snodgrass's then?

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:26 am

ClaretTony wrote:if the two clubs haven't agreed then we can't even talk to the players.

We can talk to their agents, and their agents are familiar faces to many at Burnley.

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:29 am

ClaretTony wrote:???????

We made an offer for Dawson in 2014, it was turned down and he signed a new deal at West Brom in any case.

Tarkowski did it at brentford

Long Time Lurker · Post by **Long Time Lurker** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:35 am

Steve1956 wrote:Think we should give up on Dawson and look elsewhere,if West Ham are after him and he has to choose between us and them we have no chance

West Ham are a strange fish that only has one fin in reality.

According to rumours they entered the window with a whopping £70m to spend. They've already spent £22m on Diop, £7m on Fabianski, £xm on Frerdicks signing on fee and £xm to bring in Pellegrini. That must be close to half of their budget.

They need replacements for Mario and Lanzini and are rumoured to have bid £37m for Anderson, along with rumours for every other player under the sun. I suspect they will run out of money if they don't manage to sell any players on. And they don't have any players that other clubs really want.

Antonio, Carroll and Reid are all getting on a bit and their frequent visits to the injury room are a real concern when you take into account their wages and actual playing time.

Hugill is a step up from placing a plant pot on the bench.

Oxford seems like hard work.

Zabalete is on his last legs.

Sam Byram is injured and attracting no interest other than a possible loan.

Ogbonna and Kouyate might attract some interest, but not a lot

The exceptions are Arnotauvic, and possibly Rice or Snodgrass. Although, the ridiculous fees they would probably ask for those players should rule them out as well. Paying high wages is also a double edged sword. It makes it easier to attract players, but harder to move them on.

Unless West Ham manage to bring in some cheaper free transfers I can see them shifting their focus towards paying with magic beans or making bids to feign interest just to push up prices for other clubs.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:38 am

They wont run out of money as long as the Taxpayer is there

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:41 am

Long Time Lurker wrote:West Ham are a strange fish that only has one fin in reality.

According to rumours they entered the window with a whopping £70m to spend. They've already spent £22m on Diop, £7m on Fabianski, £xm on Frerdicks signing on fee and £xm to bring in Pellegrini. That must be close to half of their budget.

They need replacements for Mario and Lanzini and are rumoured to have bid £37m for Anderson, along with rumours for every other player under the sun. I suspect they will run out of money if they don't manage to sell any players on. And they don't have any players that other clubs really want.

Antonio, Carroll and Reid are all getting on a bit and their frequent visits to the injury room are a real concern when you take into account their wages and actual playing time.

Hugill is a step up from placing a plant pot on the bench.

Oxford seems like hard work.

Zabalete is on his last legs.

Sam Byram is injured and attracting no interest other than a possible loan.

Ogbonna and Kouyate might attract some interest, but not a lot

The exceptions are Arnotauvic, and possibly Rice or Snodgrass. Although, the ridiculous fees they would probably ask for those players should rule them out as well. Paying high wages is also a double edged sword. It makes it easier to attract players, but harder to move them on.

Unless West Ham manage to bring in some cheaper free transfers I can see them shifting their focus towards paying with magic beans or making bids to feign interest just to push up prices for other clubs.

They're selling Arnautovic, with Man Utd supposedly interested.

Danieljwaterhouse · Post by **Danieljwaterhouse** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:42 am

UpTheBeehole wrote:My source says that terms were agreed with Rodriguez and Dawson a good while ago. The only stumbling block is the valuation between the two clubs, and they were a LONG way apart.

I’d swop Kevin LONG for them both I think

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:53 am

Reecey1987 wrote:Tarkowski did it at brentford

Already posted on that this morning. If you still think he did it given the circumstances and given Brentford's behaviour then I can't convince you. He certainly didn't refuse to play, but his circumstances were unique.

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:56 am

ClaretTony wrote:Already posted on that this morning. If you still think he did it given the circumstances and given Brentford's behaviour then I can't convince you. He certainly didn't refuse to play, but his circumstances were unique.

Sorry my mistake just seen it now

HiroshimaClaret · Post by **HiroshimaClaret** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:57 am

GROUNDHOG DAY! So boring!!!! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

BOYSIE31 · Post by **BOYSIE31** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 12:02 pm

ClaretTony wrote:???????

We made an offer for Dawson in 2014, it was turned down and he signed a new deal at West Brom in any case.

He did but also tried to force the move - we hate players who do that ie: Shackell

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 12:39 pm

We remain optimistic.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:00 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:My source says that terms were agreed with Rodriguez and Dawson a good while ago. The only stumbling block is the valuation between the two clubs, and they were a LONG way apart.

I would find a new source as that is utter rubbish

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:50 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:He did but also tried to force the move - we hate players who do that ie: Shackell

He didn't try to force any move at all - and that, given the player, I know is 100% the case.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:55 pm

joey13 wrote:I would find a new source as that is utter rubbish

Admittedly my source isn't Sean Dyche, but there aren't many people in the world who are better sources on club news than mine.

Don't forget I broke the Dyche contract news, with specifics, weeks and weeks before it was confirmed.

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:19 pm

Now is the time then. I still think he'd be a terrific signing and someone we should actively pursue. Get on the blower to WBA and offer £15m and see what they do. It's absolutely clear that Dawson doesn't want to be there so they'll need to sell and replace as soon as they can given their lack of CB's. He'd be a top signing for us.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:27 pm

We all know how this ends, we've put all our eggs in 1 basket while other clubs are getting on with their business and we will end up going for the scraps.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:48 pm

claretandy wrote:We all know how this ends, we've put all our eggs in 1 basket while other clubs are getting on with their business and we will end up going for the scraps.

Long, long time since we ended up with scraps. That’s enabled us to progress.

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:53 pm

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foo ... 1.html?amp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; nice article here on jay rod saying he wants to return back north

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:00 pm

Why is there all this obsession with getting another right sided CB when we only have one left sided CB (and there's no certainty that he will be here at the start of the season)
Dawson can, of course, play RB but we also already have two for that position
Towards the end of the season Tarks was seen to fall someway short when playing on the left (granted he also only had Kevin Long alongside him)
Starting last season with only 3 CB's was poor forward planning - hope this season doesn't replicate that situation

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:06 pm

If "going for scraps" enables us to finish seventh in the PL, gimme the scraps.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:59 pm

These deals always go down to the wire. It won't be any different this time

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:03 pm

Steve1956 wrote:Think we should give up on Dawson and look elsewhere,if West Ham are after him and he has to choose between us and them we have no chance

How do know he hasn't already chosen us and W. Brom.are just being like they are? Not playing ball and inflating his price. I wouldn't mind betting that's at the root of it.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:05 pm

claretandy wrote:We all know how this ends, we've put all our eggs in 1 basket while other clubs are getting on with their business and we will end up going for the scraps.

And then we go on to finish higher in the league than the majority of these other clubs and qualify for Europe...

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:38 am

Watford have angered relegated West Brom with an offer of just £1m for Ben Foster, 35. The Baggies rate their English goalkeeper at between £10m and £12m. (Mirror)

£10-£12m for a 35 year old goalkeeper?! This is what we're up against at WBA. I swear their board are in cloud cuckoo land. One last bid of around £15m for Dawson and then move on when the inevitable response is "we want £30m". They do understand that they got relegated last season right?! That doesn't tend to increase the value of your players!!

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:47 am

jojomk1 wrote:Why is there all this obsession with getting another right sided CB when we only have one left sided CB (and there's no certainty that he will be here at the start of the season)
Dawson can, of course, play RB but we also already have two for that position
Towards the end of the season Tarks was seen to fall someway short when playing on the left (granted he also only had Kevin Long alongside him)
Starting last season with only 3 CB's was poor forward planning - hope this season doesn't replicate that situation

And we’ve since learned that Tarks was playing injured to keep his World Cup dream alive.
Something many on here had suggested at the time.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:47 am

If Foster is valued at 10 million+ what the hell is Heaton's price,younger,current England international,and plays at a Premier League club,you must be talking 30m in this loony market.

Agree on Dawson we need a decision soon or start looking elsewhere.