Lancashire League 30th June

Somethingfishy · Post by **Somethingfishy** » Sat Jun 30, 2018 9:23 pm

Standout result...Rishton..yes Rishton..beating Burnley

Meanwhile Lowerhouse beat Great Harwood by 5 wickets..with no pro. Thats how you do it lads

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:15 pm

Somethingfishy wrote:Standout result...Rishton..yes Rishton..beating Burnley

Meanwhile Lowerhouse beat Great Harwood by 5 wickets..with no pro. Thats how you do it lads

No pro?
Frankie has been a pro for all but one year of his vast. career.

Somethingfishy · Post by **Somethingfishy** » Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:19 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:No pro?
Frankie has been a pro for all but one year of his vast. career.

That may be so..but he isn't a pro this season is he?

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:38 pm

Somethingfishy wrote:That may be so..but he isn't a pro this season is he?

We must be up there now.

Somethingfishy · Post by **Somethingfishy** » Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:39 pm

MACCA wrote:We must be up there now.

Still 4th. Walsden, Rammy and Darwen keep on winning too.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:54 pm

Went past Walsden and Tod today on the way to Hollingworth Lake, where I saw a deer.

Over that way Monday, playing Tod on Monday and Bacup Saturday.

Will try and get down again in next few weeks, would have gone Burnley Saturday but away in Halifax after Bacup game.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:13 pm

Somethingfishy wrote:That may be so..but he isn't a pro this season is he?

No, but a lot of sides would be happy with him in their side as the pro, so don't expect any sympathy.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:20 pm

And another win for the mighty Colne!

When I saw Milnrow 240-4, I thought "no chance". And the pro scored 89 leaving the amateurs to successfully chase the other 152. Six wicket win, 4+ overs to spare. We just need to keep throwing in the odd Lowerhouse-type result to avoid the nightmare of finishing top half! (I think we can do that.

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tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:58 pm

Somethingfishy wrote:Standout result...Rishton..yes Rishton..beating Burnley

Meanwhile Lowerhouse beat Great Harwood by 5 wickets..with no pro. Thats how you do it lads

It's been years since my involvement in Lancs League Cricket but every team always had to have a pro.

It seems Clitheroe have a dozen!

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:03 am

Somethingfishy wrote:Standout result...Rishton..yes Rishton..beating Burnley

Yes, a great result at Rishton and Accy Clarets (Rishton and Gt Harwood branch) sponsored the match and had a great day! UTC

Somethingfishy · Post by **Somethingfishy** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:20 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:No, but a lot of sides would be happy with him in their side as the pro, so don't expect any sympathy.

At what point was i asking for sympathy? Quite the opposite

...and yes i am sure they would but he is an amateur now and he chooses to play for Lowerhouse as he has an affinity and enjoyed his time here and has a lot of friends. Sorry for that if it seems unfair...

The fact remains we were still without our pro..who has had a fantastic start to the season.

tybfc wrote:It's been years since my involvement in Lancs League Cricket but every team always had to have a pro.

It seems Clitheroe have a dozen!

Overheard a conversation that we would get fined £300 for not having one today which if true is a bizarre rule as we are already weakened not having one. Certainly not an advantage. Seems it's ok to have more than one but not ok to have none. Then later on someone said we would be ok as we had very little opportunity to find a sub. We will certainly need one ongoing from next week because Ocki looks to be out for a considerable time.

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:24 am

Leisure wrote:Yes, a great result at Rishton and Accy Clarets (Rishton and Gt Harwood branch) sponsored the match and had a great day! UTC

I told you that the sun would shine on you!

MT03ALG · Post by **MT03ALG** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 1:46 am

Lowerhouse Professional 2011 Haasbroek 80 not out today but is obviously now playing as an amateur.....

Lord Rothbury · Post by **Lord Rothbury** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:17 am

MT03ALG wrote:Lowerhouse Professional 2011 Haasbroek 80 not out today but is obviously now playing as an amateur.....

Holt Burnley professional 2017 now playing for them as an amateur.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:49 am

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Even his own wiki page describes him as a professional cricketer.
Holt is a local boy done well. He's never been paid or selected to play professional cricket. Highest he has played is for Cumberland in the minor counties.

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 8:28 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francois_Haasbroek

Even his own wiki page describes him as a professional cricketer.
Holt is a local boy done well. He's never been paid or selected to play professional cricket. Highest he has played is for Cumberland in the minor counties.

You’ll not win this argument

I’ll raise you Michael & David Brown, you could even throw Vishal in there.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 8:34 am

Any news on Rattenstall?

Hopey · Post by **Hopey** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 8:53 am

Yesterdays results

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 8:55 am

Franki (Lowerhouse) wasn't playing professional cricket last season either, in fact he was barely playing at all due to the league blocking his registration as an amateur. He clearly isn't the only ex pro now playing purely as an amateur at a club where he has lots of friends and loves it.
On another note: With Ocki being injured so late on Friday night playing 20/20, meaning getting a sub pro was impossible despite best efforts, it would be bizarre and perverse if the league were to enforce a fine as suggested above.

Hopey · Post by **Hopey** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 8:58 am

Dark Cloud wrote:Franki (Lowerhouse) wasn't playing professional cricket last season either, in fact he was barely playing at all due to the league blocking his registration as an amateur. He clearly isn't the only ex pro now playing purely as an amateur at a club where he has lots of friends and loves it.
On another note: With Ocki being injured so late on Friday night playing 20/20, meaning getting a sub pro was impossible despite best efforts, it would be bizarre and perverse if the league were to enforce a fine as suggested above.

The fine will still happen, timeframe or not, unfortunately.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:04 am

Burnley1989 wrote:You’ll not win this argument

I’ll raise you Michael & David Brown, you could even throw Vishal in there.

I agree to a certain extent but rules at national level allow professional cricketers to play for their home town club.

The Lancs league had special meetings about Holt and Franky.

Holt is more like Ben Heap and Joe Hawke being local pro's not professional cricketers.

Just to add, I and most players you meet want the cricket to be as strong as possible. On here we have mainly Lowerhouse fans (not all) complaining about the amateurs someone from Clitheroe pays (not the club) yet having a second professional cricketer from overseas playing for them.

arise_sir_charge · Post by **arise_sir_charge** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:06 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:No pro?
Frankie has been a pro for all but one year of his vast. career.

Wrong again.

He has played 3 seasons as a league pro, at Lowerhouse between 2011 and 2013.

Ever since, having been unable to play any first class cricket he’s been engaged by clubs as an ‘Overseas AMATEUR’.......the clue being somewhere in the title.

He’s now no longer overseas as he married a Burnley girl and lives off Padiham Road.

As pointed out Chris Holt has played more seasons as a league pro, until this year, where he’s now back as an amateur.

It seems that because Frankie isn’t called John Smith that some people think it’s different.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:08 am

Dark Cloud wrote:Franki (Lowerhouse) wasn't playing professional cricket last season either, in fact he was barely playing at all due to the league blocking his registration as an amateur. He clearly isn't the only ex pro now playing purely as an amateur at a club where he has lots of friends and loves it.
On another note: With Ocki being injured so late on Friday night playing 20/20, meaning getting a sub pro was impossible despite best efforts, it would be bizarre and perverse if the league were to enforce a fine as suggested above.

Didn't the strict rule changes come in because Lowerhouse played Jez Hope a few back as a sub pro in a last day meaningless game to save money?

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:11 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:Didn't the strict rule changes come in because Lowerhouse played Jez Hope a few back as a sub pro in a last day meaningless game to save money?

I honestly don't know the answer to that, but I'm sure Hopey will be along any minute to say one way or the other.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:13 am

arise_sir_charge wrote:Wrong again.

He has played 3 seasons as a league pro, at Lowerhouse between 2011 and 2013.

Ever since, having been unable to play any first class cricket he’s been engaged by clubs as an ‘Overseas AMATEUR’.......the clue being somewhere in the title.

He’s now no longer overseas as he married a Burnley girl and lives off Padiham Road.

As pointed out Chris Holt has played more seasons as a league pro, until this year, where he’s now back as an amateur.

It seems that because Frankie isn’t called John Smith that some people think it’s different.

It is different and like employing a Kolpak cricketer. Within the rules and makes cricket stronger, but some will always prefer an English youngster to have that spot.

arise_sir_charge · Post by **arise_sir_charge** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:13 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:I agree to a certain extent but rules at national level allow professional cricketers to play for their home town club.

The Lancs league had special meetings about Holt and Franky.

Holt is more like Ben Heap and Joe Hawke being local pro's not professional cricketers.

Just to add, I and most players you meet want the cricket to be as strong as possible. On here we have mainly Lowerhouse fans (not all) complaining about the amateurs someone from Clitheroe pays (not the club) yet having a second professional cricketer from overseas playing for them.

You simply don’t get it do you?

There have been other players in the past that have done the same, Peter Sleep and Joe Scuderi being two off the top of my head. There is Clinton Perren at Littleborough this year.

You will see it more and more as the South Africans choose to stay in the UK due to issues with domestic cricket back in their home countries.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:16 am

arise_sir_charge wrote:Wrong again.

He has played 3 seasons as a league pro, at Lowerhouse between 2011 and 2013.

Ever since, having been unable to play any first class cricket he’s been engaged by clubs as an ‘Overseas AMATEUR’.......the clue being somewhere in the title.

He’s now no longer overseas as he married a Burnley girl and lives off Padiham Road.

As pointed out Chris Holt has played more seasons as a league pro, until this year, where he’s now back as an amateur.

It seems that because Frankie isn’t called John Smith that some people think it’s different.

What about all his years in the Liverpool and Bolton leagues?
Was he not a pro then?

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:22 am

arise_sir_charge wrote:You simply don’t get it do you?

There have been other players in the past that have done the same, Peter Sleep and Joe Scuderi being two off the top of my head. There is Clinton Perren at Littleborough this year.

You will see it more and more as the South Africans choose to stay in the UK due to issues with domestic cricket back in their home countries.

Yeah of course I get it. Might just have a different opinion to you but that's life.

There's plenty of examples of professional cricketers playing as amateurs and I don't mind it at all including Franky.

But if a player plays more years as a professional back home then overseas league pro I will still class him as a professional. Be that Franky or Peter Sleep.

arise_sir_charge · Post by **arise_sir_charge** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:25 am

No,

In the Liverpool Comp, 1 year in 2010 I think, he was the overseas amateur.

He’s never played in the Bolton League.

In 2014 he played as overseas amateur at at club in Middlesex and Iived in a Caravan behind their clubs b house.

In 2015 and 2016 he was an overseas amateur a Euxton in the Ribb League.

2017 he didn’t play.

Also Jez Hope is mentioned above. The rules were actually changed when East Lancs named their scorer (not even a player) as pro. Lots of clubs had done the Jez Hope thing before Lowerhouse and lots did afterwards.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:31 am

I just looked at his profile on Lancs League site and it had him listed against Northern, Farnworth Social and Euxton.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:35 am

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Also Jez Hope is mentioned above. The rules were actually changed when East Lancs named their scorer (not even a player) as pro. Lots of clubs had done the Jez Hope thing before Lowerhouse and lots did afterwards.

Yeah I realise that, some clubs in the Ribb league never got sub pro's for last games in years gone by. Instead putting the wage behind the bar for the players.

arise_sir_charge · Post by **arise_sir_charge** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:36 am

He might have subbed for them once or twice back when he was a pro.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:57 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:Yeah of course I get it. Might just have a different opinion to you but that's life.

There's plenty of examples of professional cricketers playing as amateurs and I don't mind it at all including Franky.

But if a player plays more years as a professional back home then overseas league pro I will still class him as a professional. Be that Franky or Peter Sleep.

A player who was a professional but is no longer a professional becomes an ex professional which then makes them an Amateur if they choose to play for pleasure (free) or am I missing something.

Foulthrow · Post by **Foulthrow** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:47 am

Absolutely bonkers if Lowerhouse get fined for yesterday - how are you meant to sort out a sub pro if they get injured the evening before a game? There must be some discretion surely?

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:57 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:Just to add, I and most players you meet want the cricket to be as strong as possible. On here we have mainly Lowerhouse fans (not all) complaining about the amateurs someone from Clitheroe pays (not the club) yet having a second professional cricketer from overseas playing for them.

I dare say you hear more from Lowerhouse fans as there simply are more of us

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:58 am

Foulthrow wrote:Absolutely bonkers if Lowerhouse get fined for yesterday - how are you meant to sort out a sub pro if they get injured the evening before a game? There must be some discretion surely?

Plenty of evidence that those at the club, and other clubs on their behalf were trying their damnedest. Was just a case where every bugger and their dog seemed to be playing, and there was hardly going to be a game rained off was there haha

Longsidelenny · Post by **Longsidelenny** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 11:27 am

Carnt see lowerhouse getting fined as I have herd Ben heap stood in as professional only one game of course

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 1:38 pm

Longsidelenny wrote:Carnt see lowerhouse getting fined as I have herd Ben heap stood in as professional only one game of course

Not likely due to associated rules. I'd look at the team sheet and if there was someone from the 2nds, that's your "pro" as they cant then play as an amateur for the rest of the season

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 1:56 pm

ZizkovClaret wrote:Not likely due to associated rules. I'd look at the team sheet and if there was someone from the 2nds, that's your "pro" as they cant then play as an amateur for the rest of the season

That's dead right. A club has to be very careful making somebody a pro, even for one game because they can't then immediately revert to being an amateur for ages after that and would thus be be stopped from playing.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 2:06 pm

We fielded eleven amateurs. We confirmed to the league we would be doing that at 11am yesterday prior to the game. The league then informed us of the potential consequences which will be decided at the next league meeting.

Longsidelenny · Post by **Longsidelenny** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 2:51 pm

Sounds like lowerhouse will be paying a lot of money out this year trying to win the league does ocki still get payed while he as got is pot on plus a fine coming your way for not having a professional alledgelly plus going to pay another professional when you find one I would hurry up on that one if I was lowerhouse is it really worth it all me and the lads down at clitheroe are having a right good chuckle about it

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 2:57 pm

tybfc wrote:It's been years since my involvement in Lancs League Cricket but every team always had to have a pro.

It seems Clitheroe have a dozen!

Rule changed either last year or in 2016 - clubs can now have either a pro or an overseas amateur.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 3:00 pm

Back in 1977, Burnley played without a pro at Church when he didn't turn up in time for the last match of the season. The pro was Surinder Amarnath. He'd gone to watch his brother play for Lowerhouse and claimed he didn't know Burnley had a game. When he did turn up he was quickly sent packing by captain Roland Harrison.

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Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 3:11 pm

Longsidelenny wrote:Sounds like lowerhouse will be paying a lot of money out this year trying to win the league does ocki still get payed while he as got is pot on plus a fine coming your way for not having a professional alledgelly plus going to pay another professional when you find one I would hurry up on that one if I was lowerhouse is it really worth it all me and the lads down at clitheroe are having a right good chuckle about it

Looking at the gates Lowerhouse have had recently with over a thousand at all 3 T20 games & about 6000 at the bonfire I wouldn’t worry myself if I was you, Lowerhouse will be fine for money and also doing everything by the book. Everyone in the LL has been having a chuckle at Clitheroes fall from grace this year

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 3:21 pm

Burnley1989 wrote:Looking at the gates Lowerhouse have had recently with over a thousand at all 3 T20 games & about 6000 at the bonfire I wouldn’t worry myself if I was you, Lowerhouse will be fine for money and also doing everything by the book. Everyone in the LL has been having a chuckle at Clitheroes fall from grace this year

I was talking to someone this morning who said Lowerhouse had a big crowd last Friday for the t20. From what I can see they’ve worked bloody hard promoting the games and are now getting the reward for their work.

I’ve been up at Padiham a couple of times recently and pleased to see decent numbers there too.

Deardeary · Post by **Deardeary** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 4:02 pm

Sometimes it’s hard to believe what folk come out with on here about LL. Before I say owt about Lowerhouse, lets explain how this happens.

One of the reasons LL voted against replaying fixtures and reducing the congested fixture list was to reduce our reliance on other clubs for sub-pro’s and other leagues for officials on Saturdays, a day notorious for finding these folk. LCB ko hasn’t helped and it’s another comp we should be looking at reducing our participation in or it will be more Saturday problems.

As for Lowerhouse, it’s a well run Club and I’m sure their officials fully expect to be fined and will not argue about it. A club pays between £200-300 pound a game for a pro and no matter how much work Lowerhouse officials did to secure a sub-pro’s services (which I’m 100% certain they did) it’s money they won’t of paid out. It’s a rule and one thats now being adhered to no matter what the circumstances. If it’s not, a few clubs will have a valid argument for a return of fines.

As for the Pro allegation at Lowerhouse, it’s rubbish, they have one and it’s Oki, for those who want to contually bring up the Clitheroe thing, move on, the rest of us have.

For those who are positive about the local game, thanks, especially those who trapped at Enfield to watch the derby with Great Harwood on Friday, gate was almost more than we took in the entire season last year, weather helps of course but cricket is alive and kicking in the whole East Lancs.

Somethingfishy · Post by **Somethingfishy** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 4:36 pm

It is a bizarre rule but i guess its intentions are good in protecting fair play. Just how Lowerhouse were supposed to find a sub pro at short notice is beyond me and from the moment Ocki was injured and all Saturday morning the club were on social media asking for help. I dare say many phone calls were made too in that time. If we went another week and then played without a pro i could fully understand the fine but surely there has to be some common sense?
It is understandable Clitheroe chuckling about it...we get fined for having no pro while they get away with having more than one

. They might be the richest club in Division 2 next season with any luck

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 4:47 pm

The crowds at Lowerhouse, especially for the 20/20 are nothing short of phenomenal and yes, the weather helps, but there is an awful lot of hard work goes into making it a great night, including providing a choice of food, two places to buy alcohol and other drinks, music throughout and top quality live bands who start up immediately after the game. It's a shame they've narrowly missed out on progressing beyond the group stage as it's a brilliant evening out!

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:10 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:The crowds at Lowerhouse, especially for the 20/20 are nothing short of phenomenal and yes, the weather helps, but there is an awful lot of hard work goes into making it a great night, including providing a choice of food, two places to buy alcohol and other drinks, music throughout and top quality live bands who start up immediately after the game. It's a shame they've narrowly missed out on progressing beyond the group stage as it's a brilliant evening out!

As you said, an awful lot of hard work. I remember the days of big, big crowds at Lancashire League games but that’s in the past. Some of these clubs should be commended for getting the crowds they do.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:25 pm

ClaretTony wrote:As you said, an awful lot of hard work. I remember the days of big, big crowds at Lancashire League games but that’s in the past. Some of these clubs should be commended for getting the crowds they do.

They used to run special buses to Rawtenstall which were absolutely packed in the 50's and 60's (so I've heard!

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