David Davis resigns

[Bordeauxclaret]

An anagram of Mid Air Bacon.

Cracking irony.

[hampsteadclaret]

Bearing in mind Boris’s known position, shouldn’t he resign today as well?

I know of his widely reported views at Chequers last week.. he had his say.. apparently though he ‘signed up’ to the sellout deal last week... didn’t he?

He has been very quiet since Chequers... no statements, no tweets.
The experts this morning think Boris will hang around... if he does, he is a hypocrite yes..?
- if he goes, enjoy the ensuing carnage.

** uppermost in Boris’s mind, will not be what’s best for the country, or the government, but what is best for Boris.

What an odious individual he is.

[South West Claret.]

What the “Master negotiator” resigns... Dead ringers will never be the same on Friday

[hampsteadclaret]

On College Green, Westminster (Sky News) there are a series of political interviews/ chats taking place with a range of politicians and commentators.

Behind them stands a swivel-eyed moron dressed in the European yellow/blue, with two large placards in his fists..’Brexit..is it worth it?’
He is having a running commentary with himself while all the time changing his position to get his banners up there..

The loon is strengthening the Brexit position/ support by thousands for every second that he stands there, making a fool of himself.

[RingoMcCartney]

Labour MPs have been summoned to a meetimg with the TORIES chief whip. To ensure the Chequers agreed bargaining stance is supported.

Labour MPs crossing the floor to take instructions from the bloody Tories chief whip, in a private meeting. What **** is that all about!!!?

If ever proof of an political establishment stitch up, to thwart the Will of the People was needed.

I voted for a clean brexit. 17.4 million did the same. Many many people who I speak to in and around Burnley , the vast majority Labour voters, will now never vote again.

Theres already a deap mistrust of the political establishment. This will be permanently fractured by disillusionment.

A reduced electorate will see only a few votes required to elect extremists.

Gloat at your peril remainers.

Gloat at your peril.


A BREXIT IN NAME ONLY IS DEMOCRACY IN NAME ONLY.

A BREXIT IN NAME ONLY IS SOVEREIGNTY IN NAME ONLY.

[martin_p]

Bearing in mind Boris’s known position, shouldn’t he resign today as well?

I know of his widely reported views at Chequers last week.. he had his say.. apparently though he ‘signed up’ to the sellout deal last week... didn’t he?

He has been very quiet since Chequers... no statements, no tweets.
The experts this morning think Boris will hang around... if he does, he is a hypocrite yes..?
- if he goes, enjoy the ensuing carnage.

** uppermost in Boris’s mind, will not be what’s best for the country, or the government, but what is best for Boris.

What an odious individual he is.

I’m sure there’ll be some vitally important Foreign Office business abroad he’ll need to attend to when parliament votes on the deal.

[RingoMcCartney]

Labour MPs crossing the floor being told how to vote by the Tories chief whip? They should hang tjeir treasonour heads

The political Establishment - proud sponsors of the death of democracy.

[If it be your will]

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[hampsteadclaret]

105..

‘Labour MP’s have been summoned’..

Did you really mean to type ‘summoned’?

No Labour MP’s have crossed the floor anywhere.
What are you rambling about?

[RingoMcCartney]

Anyone blaming Labour for this cannot be thinking straight.

Keir Starmer said Labour's official line was to vote AGAINST the Chequers agreed bargaining stance.

I'm not blaming Labour. I'm saying the whole rotton lot of them are conniving to stop brexit.


The whole farce of the last 2 years has been nothing, absolutely nothing, more than a choreographed deception. A deception to give the impression to the gullible public that there are pro Leave members of the cabinet fighting a principled and noble fight on behalf of the 17,400,000 who voted for a clean brexit and a sovereign and independent United kingdom. They have been shown to be what they are. Duplicitous co-conspirators in this Machiavellian plot to usurp the Will of The people and thwart democracy. Gove, Johnson and the whole rotton lot of them are no more for leaving the EU than Clegg or Starmer. Remember he, Boris, wrote TWO versions of his declaration as to which side of the EU debate he would support. There is only one party and one true patriot, that the establishment has tried demonize, for decades, that stands for and believes in a true clean brexit. That's UKIP and Nigel Farage. NEVER HAVE SO FEW, BETRAYED SO MANY

[Imploding Turtle]

Labour MPs have been summoned to a meetimg with the TORIES chief whip. To ensure the Chequers agreed bargaining stance is supported.

Labour MPs crossing the floor to take instructions from the bloody Tories chief whip, in a private meeting. What **** is that all about!!!?

If ever proof of an political establishment stitch up, to thwart the Will of the People was needed.

I voted for a clean brexit. 17.4 million did the same. Many many people who I speak to in and around Burnley , the vast majority Labour voters, will now never vote again.

Theres already a deap mistrust of the political establishment. This will be permanently fractured by disillusionment.

A reduced electorate will see only a few votes required to elect extremists.

Gloat at your peril remainers.

Gloat at your peril.


A BREXIT IN NAME ONLY IS DEMOCRACY IN NAME ONLY.

A BREXIT IN NAME ONLY IS SOVEREIGNTY IN NAME ONLY.

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[tiger76]

I'd hate it.

Unless its a thumping win (60% +) then these problems continue.

On this i agree the country is polarised,of course if Cameron had put a threshold on the original ballot,60% seems solid enough either way,these problems wouldn't have occurred,now a General Election or a 2nd referendum could well produce another hang parliament/split result which will solve nothing.

I voted to leave but concede the ballot was close enough to make a hard brexit hard to sell plus the ensuing election just confused matters further.
We are stuck between a rock and a hard place but Theresa's fudge isn't a viable solution either.

[RingoMcCartney]

105..

‘Labour MP’s have been summoned’..

Did you really mean to type ‘summoned’?

No Labour MP’s have crossed the floor anywhere.
What are you rambling about?

Get to the nearest radio or tv .

Try and catch up.

You're clearly not the current affairs and political behemoth you like to portray your self as.

[martin_p]

Keir Starmer said Labour's official line was to vote AGAINST the Chequers agreed bargaining stance.

I'm not blaming Labour. I'm saying the whole rotton lot of them are conniving to stop brexit.


The whole farce of the last 2 years has been nothing, absolutely nothing, more than a choreographed deception. A deception to give the impression to the gullible public that there are pro Leave members of the cabinet fighting a principled and noble fight on behalf of the 17,400,000 who voted for a clean brexit and a sovereign and independent United kingdom. They have been shown to be what they are. Duplicitous co-conspirators in this Machiavellian plot to usurp the Will of The people and thwart democracy. Gove, Johnson and the whole rotton lot of them are no more for leaving the EU than Clegg or Starmer. Remember he, Boris, wrote TWO versions of his declaration as to which side of the EU debate he would support. There is only one party and one true patriot, that the establishment has tried demonize, for decades, that stands for and believes in a true clean brexit. That's UKIP and Nigel Farage. NEVER HAVE SO FEW, BETRAYED SO MANY

People have spent the last two years telling Brexit voters they were gullible falling for the ‘cake and eat it’ nonsense coming from the chief Brexiteers and government. Glad the penny has finally dropped.

[ksrclaret]

Labour MPs have been summoned to a meetimg with the TORIES chief whip. To ensure the Chequers agreed bargaining stance is supported.

Labour MPs crossing the floor to take instructions from the bloody Tories chief whip, in a private meeting. What **** is that all about!!!?

If ever proof of an political establishment stitch up, to thwart the Will of the People was needed.

I voted for a clean brexit. 17.4 million did the same. Many many people who I speak to in and around Burnley , the vast majority Labour voters, will now never vote again.

Theres already a deap mistrust of the political establishment. This will be permanently fractured by disillusionment.

A reduced electorate will see only a few votes required to elect extremists.

Gloat at your peril remainers.

Gloat at your peril.


A BREXIT IN NAME ONLY IS DEMOCRACY IN NAME ONLY.

A BREXIT IN NAME ONLY IS SOVEREIGNTY IN NAME ONLY.

NURSE!!

[RingoMcCartney]

http://www.reddit.com/r/insanepeoplefacebook

I prefer not to engage with idiots.

I find they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

[Tall Paul]

Labour MPs have been summoned to a meetimg with the TORIES chief whip. To ensure the Chequers agreed bargaining stance is supported.

Labour MPs crossing the floor to take instructions from the bloody Tories chief whip, in a private meeting. What **** is that all about!!!?

If ever proof of an political establishment stitch up, to thwart the Will of the People was needed.

I voted for a clean brexit. 17.4 million did the same. Many many people who I speak to in and around Burnley , the vast majority Labour voters, will now never vote again.

Theres already a deap mistrust of the political establishment. This will be permanently fractured by disillusionment.

A reduced electorate will see only a few votes required to elect extremists.

Gloat at your peril remainers.

Gloat at your peril.


A BREXIT IN NAME ONLY IS DEMOCRACY IN NAME ONLY.

A BREXIT IN NAME ONLY IS SOVEREIGNTY IN NAME ONLY.

We're leaving.

You won.

Get over it.

[RingoMcCartney]

NURSE!!

If you find the idea that up and down the country millions of people from LEFT and RIGHT will simply shrug their shoulders and say "there's no point voting it doesn't change a thing," and will simply no longer vote. Then crack on a laugh.

Fill yer boots

[Lancasterclaret]

Many many people who I speak to in and around Burnley , the vast majority Labour voters, will now never vote again.

If you came at me in Burnley, talking like you do on here, I would say absolutely anything to get you to go away.

[dsr]

On this i agree the country is polarised,of course if Cameron had put a threshold on the original ballot,60% seems solid enough either way,these problems wouldn't have occurred,now a General Election or a 2nd referendum could well produce another hang parliament/split result which will solve nothing.

I voted to leave but concede the ballot was close enough to make a hard brexit hard to sell plus the ensuing election just confused matters further.
We are stuck between a rock and a hard place but Theresa's fudge isn't a viable solution either.

As this is the first vote we've ever had on EU membership, a 60% threshhold on membership would surely have to be 60% in favour of joining. 41% would be enough for us to leave in that case.

The first Scottish devolution referendum had something of that nature. It was majority vote AND at least 40% of eligible voters voting in favour. They got the majority vote (51.6%, very similar to Brexit) but only 32.9% of the electorate. (Brexit got 37.4%.)

[RingoMcCartney]

We're leaving.

You won.

Get over it.

You're right. And I am over it, slack meister old boy.

[ksrclaret]

If you find the idea that up and down the country millions of people from LEFT and RIGHT will simply shrug their shoulders and say "there's no point voting it doesn't change a thing," and will simply no longer vote. Then crack on a laugh.

Fill yer boots

That sounds a lot like 'project fear' to me Ringo.

Who are these millions of people? Show me evidence that millions of people will no longer vote and I will stop laughing at you.

[hampsteadclaret]

113.. I have been watching Sky News non - stop since 9.00 am you weird pr1ck.

[RingoMcCartney]

If you came at me in Burnley, talking like you do on here, I would say absolutely anything to get you to go away.

And if you were in Burnley , briefly dropping in from your kept in clover lifestyle, and were talking the way you talk on here. I wouldn't go any where near you pal. So we're all good eh?

[RingoMcCartney]

113.. I have been watching Sky News non - stop since 9.00 am you weird pr1ck.

You clearly need to get out more then.!

[Imploding Turtle]

... Many many people who I speak to in and around Burnley , the vast majority Labour voters, will now never vote again.

...

This reminds me of when Trump thought it gave him more credibility to make up fake people who were claiming that Obama's birth certificate was fake.

"... And I'll tell you what, three weeks ago I thought he was born in this country. Right now, I have some real doubts. I have people that actually have been studying it and they cannot believe what they're finding."

[RingoMcCartney]

That sounds a lot like 'project fear' to me Ringo.

Who are these millions of people? Show me evidence that millions of people will no longer vote and I will stop laughing at you.

Now you know I am unable to show you millions. I'm just going off what I hear each and every day. I was also listening to the radio Saturday morning and yesterday. And the recurring theme from LEFT and RIGHT voting brexiteers was, that they'll never vote again. " there's no point"

Carry on laughing mate.

[Lancasterclaret]

That is the level you've reached now Ringo. having a go at me because I live somewhere else.

In your eyes coming from Lancaster probably makes me an immigrant.

[Imploding Turtle]

That is the level you've reached now Ringo. having a go at me because I live somewhere else.

In your eyes coming from Lancaster probably makes me an immigrant.

In his eyes you not being a far right extremist is enough for you to get a train ticket.

[hampsteadclaret]

You should see my sun-tan from all the pub garden footie I’ve been doing.

[thatdberight]

On this i agree the country is polarised,of course if Cameron had put a threshold on the original ballot,60% seems solid enough either way,these problems wouldn't have occurred,now a General Election or a 2nd referendum could well produce another hang parliament/split result which will solve nothing.

I voted to leave but concede the ballot was close enough to make a hard brexit hard to sell plus the ensuing election just confused matters further.
We are stuck between a rock and a hard place but Theresa's fudge isn't a viable solution either.

Stop being so reasonable.

The 60% threshold would have made this easier but would have been a difficult sell from Day 1 as we entered the EEC on a referendum with no supermajority. Hard to say you can enter on 50%+1 but not leave on the same basis.

[Lordlucan]

All this does confirm is that no one really knew what they were voting for, not the politicians, not the punters. Left and right is an irrelevance in this one (more's the pity).

Perhaps we should have a second referendum, limited to questions of how soft a Brexit we're going to have (given we're having one):-
Option 1 - the full King Canute - hard as nails, sat on his own at Blackpool commanding the incoming tide;
Option 2 - the Futon - hard enough to dissuade anyone from Europe sharing it with us but at least looking as if we're open to it
Option 3 - Fully sprung and soft as a feather

The whole thing is also a brilliant lesson in what sovereignty is and isn't, but I'll stop there. At least we're in the semi-finals

[RingoMcCartney]

That is the level you've reached now Ringo. having a go at me because I live somewhere else.

In your eyes coming from Lancaster probably makes me an immigrant.

And you were having a pop at me simply cos I have a different world view to you.

For some one claiming to be a liberal and lover of diversity. You seem to hate diversity of opinion.

[Imploding Turtle]

And you were having a pop at me simply cos I have a different world view to you.

For some one claiming to be a liberal and lover of diversity. You seem to hate diversity of opinion.

You disagree with me? WHY DO YOU HATE DIVERSITY OF OPINION!!!!111!111ONE!?
- Ringo, 2018. (minimal artistic licence applied)

[Spijed]

I voted for a clean brexit. 17.4 million did the same. Many many people who I speak to in and around Burnley , the vast majority Labour voters, will now never vote again.

So those who voted to leave, just over 50%, are throwing their toys out of the pram?

[bfcmik]

Just tell me,

Do you honestly believe that is in our national long-term interest to be totally bound to an organisation like the EU with no means of escape without (supposed) total financial ruin? Do you not think that having that kind of power over member states is a tad disconcerting?

Do you think that leaving an organisation knowing that you are going to have adopt all their rules and regulations, whether it be free movement of people and goods, shared military and police intelligence, consumer laws and human rights laws, thereby losing all your rights to have an input and vote into those decisions that will still very much affect us all?

[Lancasterclaret]

you were having a pop at me simply cos I have a different world view to you.

For some one claiming to be a liberal and lover of diversity. You seem to hate diversity of opinion.

You made a ludicrous claim.

Crosspool did the same

Whether its his golf club mates or your mates, its your mates

My mates in Lancaster are remainers, but I don't pretend that that means Lancaster is full of remainers.

All I know is that compromise is probably going to be the only way out of this.

[martin_p]

Labour MPs have been summoned to a meetimg with the TORIES chief whip. To ensure the Chequers agreed bargaining stance is supported.

Labour MPs crossing the floor to take instructions from the bloody Tories chief whip, in a private meeting. What **** is that all about!!!?

If ever proof of an political establishment stitch up, to thwart the Will of the People was needed.

I voted for a clean brexit. 17.4 million did the same. Many many people who I speak to in and around Burnley , the vast majority Labour voters, will now never vote again.

Theres already a deap mistrust of the political establishment. This will be permanently fractured by disillusionment.

A reduced electorate will see only a few votes required to elect extremists.

Gloat at your peril remainers.

Gloat at your peril.


A BREXIT IN NAME ONLY IS DEMOCRACY IN NAME ONLY.

A BREXIT IN NAME ONLY IS SOVEREIGNTY IN NAME ONLY.

I’m still trying to work out the notion of 17+ million Leave voters never voting again meaning more extremists getting in. Surely if the only people voting in elections from now on are ‘libtard remoaners’ we’re due a golden era of ‘libtard remoaner’ government. Bring it on!!

[Imploding Turtle]

Compromise is a dirty word though. The Ringo wing of the right are fundamentally opposed to compromise. It's how the Tea Party got so much power in the States. Anyone who tried to work with the left was 'primaried' and replaced with a fundamentalist in their gerrymandered districts. That'll happen here if the Ringo-wingnuts get their way.

[Bordeauxclaret]

I’m still trying to work out the notion of 17+ million Leave voters never voting again meaning more extremists getting in. Surely if the only people voting in elections from now on are ‘libtard remoaners’ we’re due a golden era of ‘libtard remoaner’ government. Bring it on!!

I think what’s Ringo classes as extremists and what normal people class as extremists are very very very different things.

[kentonclaret]

Inevitable really. I posted on this board a week ago that nobody within government really knows what Brexit is and that the Chequers summit would produce a chocolate fudge cake indigestible for many. Since we are almost 2 years down the line since the referendum and have now lost the Brexit secretary it just shows what a shambles it really is.

Given that we now know Raab's middle name I am sure they will soon be playing the song "Just walk away Rennie".

[Imploding Turtle]

I think what’s Ringo classes as extremists and what normal people class as extremists are very very very different things.

Not just different things, but different intents. His rhetoric is intended to shift the Overton window. He's not intending to make sense, he's just intent on ensuring that people start thinking that his idiocy is mainstream, and that mainstream lefty ideas are actually extreme lefty ideas. It's kinda working. It's why terms like "alt-left" have cropped up. It's not really a response to the term "alt-right", it's actually the acknowledgement that the alt-right is occupying more and more of the right, and reclaiming "alt-" as extreme and pinning it on the mainstream left.

[ClaretMoffitt]

I think what’s Ringo classes as extremists and what normal people class as extremists are very very very different things.

People on here aren't exactly normal people though with regards to political labels.

I mean according to many on here, I'm an extremist.

Not to mention a;

White supremacist
alt right
far right
Nazi
Bigot
xenophobe

So when someone gets labelled something on here I tend to take it with a rather large pinch of salt.

[quoonbeatz]

I prefer not to engage with idiots.

I find they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

so defeatist.

no wonder brexit is screwed with surrender monkeys like you supporting it.

[Imploding Turtle]

People on here aren't exactly normal people though with regards to political labels.

I mean according to many on here, I'm an extremist.

Not to mention a;

White supremacist
alt right
far right
Nazi
Bigot
xenophobe

So when someone gets labelled something on here I tend to take it with a rather large pinch of salt.

I think when you criticise black people for doing what you defend a white person doing it is ok to call you some of those names. Then when you add some of your other beliefs they can all be accepted as adequate descriptors.

[Murger]

DD comes across as a wacky grandad, which isn't always a good thing. But at least he's stuck by his principles and resigned. He gets a brownie point off me for that.

[Lancasterclaret]

I think he gets a brownie point from me as well for actually resigning, but loses it again straight away as he actually didn't do anything.

He had probably the most important job in the cabinet over the last two years, and did the square root of f**k all with it.

[ClaretMoffitt]

I think when you criticise black people for doing what you defend a white person doing it is ok to call you some of those names. Then when you add some of your other beliefs they can all be accepted as adequate descriptors.

I must be the worst Nazi who ever lived

[Bordeauxclaret]

I must be the worst Nazi who ever lived

Possibly the most frightened.

[ClaretMoffitt]

Possibly the most frightened.

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