Qatar 2022

Fretters · Post by **Fretters** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:31 am

Confirmed to be played between 21 November and 18 December.

I'm telling you now, if Chris Rea doesn't bring out 'It's Coming Home for Christmas', I'll be very disappointed

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Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:41 am

I remember the heat was one of the main reasons why people said it wouldn't work, so they said all stadia would have state of the art air con to battle it.

Then after winning it they said actually it wouldn't.

Beggars belief how they can lie and get away with it, but oh well.

Not confirmed yet but likely to be 48 teams as well...

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:03 am

Claretmatt4 wrote:I remember the heat was one of the main reasons why people said it wouldn't work, so they said all stadia would have state of the art air con to battle it.

Then after winning it they said actually it wouldn't.

Beggars belief how they can lie and get away with it, but oh well.

Not confirmed yet but likely to be 48 teams as well...

People were complaining about Russia. Was always going to be a great world cup and its been best ever.

Juat leave them be will be another great one.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:07 am

Claretmatt4 wrote:I remember the heat was one of the main reasons why people said it wouldn't work, so they said all stadia would have state of the art air con to battle it.

Then after winning it they said actually it wouldn't.

Beggars belief how they can lie and get away with it, but oh well.

Not confirmed yet but likely to be 48 teams as well...

They're going to 48 teams from the 2026 World Cup, Qatar will be 32.

Cubanclaret · Post by **Cubanclaret** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:44 am

The World Cup has been a great success and Russia should be congratulated. I never had a problem with it being hosted there, at least it was a country who had never had it before.
Hard to make a similar case for the state of Qatar. It’s a truly bizarre choice of host where the legacy of the competition will count for zilch.
It’s almost become part of the FiFa pantomime to chase the money on account of any other more practical reasoning. A warm winter holiday for rich Europeans and those crazy South American fans who save up everything for four years to support their teams will no doubt bail the tournament out of having empty stadiums. But the atmosphere is unlikely to match that of Russia.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:45 am

I'll just clear my throat...

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:54 am

I know they’ll either start the season earlier, or finish it later (or a bit of both), but would I be on my own to suggest how good the season would be if they kept the dates as they are now, but pack in a couple of midweek games beforehand and a couple more midweekers after? It’d give it that Championship feel that many of us really like!

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:01 am

Be interesting how it will work. They can’t simply start the season earlier/later or as it will impact the season before/after.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:05 am

What if we dont qualify ?

Cirrus_Minor · Post by **Cirrus_Minor** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:42 am

Let’s hope it is a good competition since they have paid enough to get it (allegedly).

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:51 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:People were complaining about Russia. Was always going to be a great world cup and its been best ever.

Juat leave them be will be another great one.

Italy 90 for me. No denying that this has been a good World Cup though.

Would we say the same for either, if it hadn’t been for England though? When you get the buzz around the country for the national team, it always coincides with the tournament being great.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:14 pm

That would be bang in the middle of Champions League groups stage rounds normally,how are they going to resolve the fixture pile-up,as many European Leagues have a winter break scheduled for early January.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:21 pm

Some facts about Qatar available from CIA World Fact Book: http://www.cia.gov/library/publications ... os/qa.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Size of Qatar, 11,500 sq km (approx.), ranks 165 in world, Falkland Islands rank 164. "almost twice the size of Delaware, slightly smaller than Connecticut" is how CIA WFB describe it.

Population: 2.3 million (2017 estimate), ranks 143 in world. Uruguay pop is 3.4 million and ranks 133. Croatia pop is 4.3 and ranks 127. Panama 3.8 million, rank 130. UK 65 million, 22nd, France 676 million, 21st and Germany 80 million, 19th. (All 2017 estimates - rounded).

GDP: $341 billion, ranks 53 in world. Higher than Portugal, Greece, Denmark, ranked 56, 58 and 60, respectively. UK $2,880 billion, rank 10.

Climate: arid, mild, pleasant winters, very hot humid summers.

From a separate source, average temp in Doha in Nov max 30c and min 20c and in Dec max 25c and min 15c. So, probably more favourable for football than some of the temperatures in 2018 in Russia WC.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:23 pm

Cirrus_Minor wrote:Let’s hope it is a good competition since they have paid enough to get it (allegedly).

Qatar can afford it.

I learnt a few things from looking at the CIA Fact Book. Maybe a WC in Nov/Dec will be great - especially for those who aren't tied to school holidays.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:27 pm

The stats around its record on human rights, its use of torture as legal punishment and the way it enslaves migrant workers should have been the ones focused on and should have prevented it from hosting a world cup

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:31 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:The stats around its record on human rights, its use of torture as legal punishment and the way it enslaves migrant workers should have been the ones focused on and should have prevented it from hosting a world cup

Is that Russia or Qatar you are referring to, DA?

EDIT: and before anyone else raises it, or the 2026 countries, USA, Mexico and Canada? Or, Argentina back in 1978 or Mussolini's Italy 1934.

And, if we add in the Olympics, we can probably conclude that the selection of host countries for global events has never been too concerned with a country's "human rights" record.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:32 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:The stats around its record on human rights, its use of torture as legal punishment and the way it enslaves migrant workers should have been the ones focused on and should have presented it from hosting a world cup

Yeah but consider the legacy. At least they’ll have some world class venues where they can hang the homosexuals.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:37 pm

Paul Waine wrote:Is that Russia or Qatar you are referring to, DA?

EDIT: and before anyone else raises it, or the 2026 countries, USA, Mexico and Canada? Or, Argentina back in 1978 or Mussolini's Italy 1934.

Qatar, that is what this topic is about

Pickles · Post by **Pickles** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:38 pm

The fact the World Cup in 2022 will be at a different time of the year isn't a problem for me. It's different, sure but embrace it. That part of the World should definitely have a World Cup, it should be spread about as much as possible. We shouldn't look at things with too much of a British/European/Northern Hemisphere perspective. I'm also excited about increasing the number of teams. It's a World Cup.

As for Qatar's human rights record... Well... That's another thing entirely...

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:31 pm

Qatar is in the Northern Hemisphere.

As I recall it, the thing was considered to be moved, not because of the soccer, which would be in cooled stadiums, but for the fans' safety wandering around in the desert, for days on end, in between games.

I've lived there. it's incredibly humid and hot. the humidity could potentially be a killer id people don't hydrate. The dates chosen are utterly ideal and like a UK late spring

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:09 pm

Yes about 30 degrees!

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:41 pm

It’s tradition after every Olympics and World Cup to say it’s the best ever.
This has been a long way off for me. 3 or 4 outstanding games, nothing new tactically, no new superstar although we have had more of a look at Mbappe.
I think we’ve got over hyped by Englands unexpected success.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:47 pm

piston broke wrote:It’s tradition after every Olympics and World Cup to say it’s the best ever.
This has been a long way off for me. 3 or 4 outstanding games, nothing new tactically, no new superstar although we have had more of a look at Mbappe.
I think we’ve got over hyped by Englands unexpected success.

No impressive teams, just a bunch of average big boys and boring scrapping minnows. I haven't been impressed with France at all but they've cruised to a final, probably the best of a pretty bad bunch of International sides. The standard has never been so low.

mkmel · Post by **mkmel** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:33 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:People were complaining about Russia. Was always going to be a great world cup and its been best ever.

Juat leave them be will be another great one.

The fact that this World Cup has been a success doesn't alter the fact that Russia should never have been awarded it.

And the same applies to Qatar

CharlieinNewMexico · Post by **CharlieinNewMexico** » Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:24 am

IanMcL wrote:Yes about 30 degrees!

30 degrees in New Mexico they start putting coats on!

CaptJohn · Post by **CaptJohn** » Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:11 am

Having lived in Qatar I'll be interested to see how they handle the cultural differences. I think alcohol and exhibitionism is part and parcel of every World Cup I've ever seen. Think beer in the stands and scantily clad males and females. That really does not go down well in Muslim countries

Dy1geo · Post by **Dy1geo** » Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:22 am

It will be interesting how they deal with Peter Tatchell if he decides to do a protest like he did in Moscow

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:52 am

DCWat wrote:Italy 90 for me. No denying that this has been a good World Cup though.

Would we say the same for either, if it hadn’t been for England though? When you get the buzz around the country for the national team, it always coincides with the tournament being great.

Absolutely.

The host nation were great on and off the field.

There have been upsets.

Almost every game has been great.

The atmospheres have been pheonomenal.

The stadiums and diversity of all the host cities have been impressive.

Theres been little controversy and no trouble.

England doing well just adds to it.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:56 am

mkmel wrote:The fact that this World Cup has been a success doesn't alter the fact that Russia should never have been awarded it.

And the same applies to Qatar

Ok then

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Jul 15, 2018 10:02 am

Re Qatar. I went one January. wasnt that hot. No hotter than its been here last few weeks. Also it was evident they were all mad keen on football. There were tonnes of cafes full of people in football shirts watching the premier league and la liga. And this was 5 or 6 years ago before it had reached the levels of global interest it has today.

Its a good thing its being shared around. The only nonsensical thing is having 2022 in a small country on its own and 2026 shared accross the 3 biggest countries in the northern americas.

Surely if they want to share them qatar sharing with uae and saudi would have made sense (it was awarded when they all got on).

If people start worrying about political views and suchlike the next world cup would only be able to be played on pluto. We cant even get our own house in order in this country.

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Sun Jul 15, 2018 11:38 am

Yeah but consider the legacy. At least they’ll have some world class venues where they can hang the homosexuals.

Naughty ... but that made me laugh out loud.

Wilsdenclaret · Post by **Wilsdenclaret** » Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:41 pm

false claims as to what they would be able to deliver after the vote.............heard that before somewhere

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:00 pm

Unbelievable how they managed to get the WC (thanks to the French connection). Artificial country built by slaves. Not for me

Jeffbfc · Post by **Jeffbfc** » Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:52 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote: If people start worrying about political views and suchlike the next world cup would only be able to be played on pluto.

Well I for one won't be going to Pluto. There is no atmosphere in any of the Stadia!!

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:07 pm

CaptJohn wrote:Having lived in Qatar I'll be interested to see how they handle the cultural differences. I think alcohol and exhibitionism is part and parcel of every World Cup I've ever seen. Think beer in the stands and scantily clad males and females. That really does not go down well in Muslim countries

Scantily clad male's.....

Japebe43 · Post by **Japebe43** » Sun Jul 15, 2018 10:06 pm

What happens to the regular football season?

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sun Jul 15, 2018 10:17 pm

UEFA plan to have a European super league in place by the 22/23 season so this is a storm in a teacup

john'sroseyspecs · Post by **john'sroseyspecs** » Sun Jul 15, 2018 10:33 pm

Is this the first world cup where England players will not be tired out after slogging their way through a long 60 game season?

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Sun Jul 15, 2018 10:54 pm

piston broke wrote:It’s tradition after every Olympics and World Cup to say it’s the best ever.
This has been a long way off for me. 3 or 4 outstanding games, nothing new tactically, no new superstar although we have had more of a look at Mbappe.
I think we’ve got over hyped by Englands unexpected success.

I think it’s been a fantastic World Cup. Loads of great games,great goals, unexpected outcomes and a bit of excitement from England.

Funny people get all dewy eyed about Italia 90. That really is only because of England’s performance - and the fact that we were involved in a couple of the better games. The rest of the world remembers it as being one of the worst World Cups, and the final was utterly depressing.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sun Jul 15, 2018 11:06 pm

Germany v Mexico the game the crowd the atmosphere was the highlight for me. Reminiscent of the seventies. Been a good World Cup overall.

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Sun Jul 15, 2018 11:14 pm

They haven’t officially decided whether it’ll be a 32 or 48 team tournament, but as it’s going to be crammed into 28 days (as opposed to the usual full calendar month), I can’t see it being 48 teams.

Forget the temperatures, it’s geographically a tiny country to be hosting a World Cup alone. It’d take you barely 3 hours to drive the length of Qatar.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Jul 15, 2018 11:24 pm

agreenwood wrote:They haven’t officially decided whether it’ll be a 32 or 48 team tournament, but as it’s going to be crammed into 28 days (as opposed to the usual full calendar month), I can’t see it being 48 teams.

Forget the temperatures, it’s geographically a tiny country to be hosting a World Cup alone. It’d take you barely 3 hours to drive the length of Qatar.

Thats a good thing. It took me about 12 hours to get to Donetsk from Kiev in 2012 for England France. Thats after a 24 hour train from Warsaw where we had watched the opening ceremony between poland and greece!

The travelling was great fun and a big part of the trip dont get me wrong. But it was a real mission.

Pearcey · Post by **Pearcey** » Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:55 am

I’ve spent a lot of time in Qatar. The humidity at night is horrendous. Had to use windscreen wipers when driving. I have to say, I don’t think it’s a good place to stage the World Cup.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:40 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:People were complaining about Russia. Was always going to be a great world cup and its been best ever.

Juat leave them be will be another great one.

Why was it the best ever? It was a world cup finals, what made it so much better than, say, Argentina '78 or even '66 when we won it? Or even Mexico '70 when the best team that ever walked the planet won it? Personally, apart from us doing better than expected, I don't think this one was anything special.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:47 pm

Let's face it Qatar only got it because of the corruption in FIFA and everyone knows this. The major countries should boycott the whole affair and arrange their own. It was an indefensible decision that is going to put a hold on pretty much all the major leagues. And where exactly is Qatar's football history, they have none. they will have a team in the finals as hosts when they should be nowhere near it. Scandalous.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:27 pm

houseboy wrote:Why was it the best ever? It was a world cup finals, what made it so much better than, say, Argentina '78 or even '66 when we won it? Or even Mexico '70 when the best team that ever walked the planet won it? Personally, apart from us doing better than expected, I don't think this one was anything special.

Plenty of goals
Plenty of surprises / shocks
Holders getting knocked out by South Korea
Host nation and rank outsiders getting to the quarters, with a mix of style and efficiency including defeating the favourites
Most successful team ever knocked out by Belgium with excellent football
Ronaldo Hat Trick in the big derby and probably best game of the competition
Unfancied Croatia getting to the final
One of the best finals I can remember
Great atmospheres with zero bother
England progressing beyond where we expected and winning the golden boot
Excellent refereeing (in the main)
The likes of Japan exceeding expectations (on and off the field)

Was great.

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:38 pm

Due to my age I've only watched World Cups from '98 onwards.

For me this has been the best World Cup in my era, for all of the reasons given above.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:50 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Plenty of goals
Plenty of surprises / shocks
Holders getting knocked out by South Korea
Host nation and rank outsiders getting to the quarters, with a mix of style and efficiency including defeating the favourites
Most successful team ever knocked out by Belgium with excellent football
Ronaldo Hat Trick in the big derby and probably best game of the competition
Unfancied Croatia getting to the final
One of the best finals I can remember
Great atmospheres with zero bother
England progressing beyond where we expected and winning the golden boot
Excellent refereeing (in the main)
The likes of Japan exceeding expectations (on and off the field)

Was great.

Each to their own mate and I can see why you enjoyed it but there were, in my opinion, better. My personal favourite was Argentina '78 and we weren't even in it.
Argentina v France in what was one of the best football matches ever.
The general atmosphere which has never been bettered in any finals I think.
A brilliant Argentina team along with a marvellous Dutch side.
Peru beating the Scots (they were South American champions at the time so only a shock to the breast beating, over-confident Scots).
Scotland's unexpected victory over the Dutch with a truly great goal from Archie Gemmel.
Argentina needing to score 6 v Peru (and doing it).
The controversy in the final with regard to the plaster cast.
And then there was Mario Kempes, it was his stage that year.
There was also the slightly comedic site of Ricky Villa coming on as sub against Brazil and getting sent off after about 2 minutes for a truly awful foul.
Great memories all. Shame we couldn't be there but alas at that time we simply weren't good enough.

I bet everyone can make a case for their personal favourite WC finals but that's football eh?

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:33 pm

The biggest problem i have with Qatar getting it, isn't the obvious and blatant bribery involved and thew equally obvious FIFA cow towing to financial "incentives" or even falling for the "we'll air condition the sky for 2 weeks so it won't be too hot" bullsh*t. It's the fact that the alternative was Austarlia. A country with sporting and even SOME footballing pedigree, the basis of a decent legacy and already well developed stadia. That would have been a fantastic choice imo!

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:45 pm

houseboy wrote:Why was it the best ever? It was a world cup finals, what made it so much better than, say, Argentina '78 or even '66 when we won it? Or even Mexico '70 when the best team that ever walked the planet won it? Personally, apart from us doing better than expected, I don't think this one was anything special.You can't relate to something you have never witnessed I watched the seventies world cups...way better than this one or others past.but this has been a good one! And for CC. The best ever.