Alleged racial abuse of children by Rangers fan

[tiger76]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/scotland/44888334 i wonder if the suspect would prefer to be tried in Scotland or Macedonia.

[thatdberight]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/scotland/44888334 i wonder if the suspect would prefer to be tried in Scotland or Macedonia.

If such a law exists in Macedonia and is applied fairly, there'll be a long waiting list for his case to come to court as they'll first have to deal with huge numbers of their own people talking about Albanians.

[Millertime v1.7]

This comes as no surprise. Every fanbase has its fair share of unsavoury characters (et al rumpus and his treatment of his dwarf lover) but these lowlifes are in a league of their own.
Time and time again they shame a nation.

[Rileybobs]

Long gone are the days where us white British blokes had the freedom to racially abuse children. This country has gone to the dogs.

[Chobulous]

Long gone are the days where us white British blokes had the freedom to racially abuse children. This country has gone to the dogs.

See what you did there - widening the scope to white British blokes instead of English so you can continue to show your right on credentials. Nice move. Still boring though.

[Rileybobs]

See what you did there - widening the scope to white British blokes instead of English so you can continue to show your right on credentials. Nice move. Still boring though.

Thanks, not sure what you’re on about though. I was cross-referencing to another thread where a poster has suggested that White British (not English) cultures and traditions aren’t preserved. Are the English and Scottish not British?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Scots are Celts, they probably won't admit to being British if it means they can be lumped in with the Anglo Saxons.

[Walton]

Try and find a Rangers fan who identifies as a Celt.

[Quickenthetempo]

I don’t wish to see the video but the articleaning says it was ONE fan.
Best to change the thead title.

[Greenmile]

The police should be concentrating on folk who’ve had their vans broken into instead of this PC rubbish.

[ClaretMoffitt]

The police should be concentrating on folk who’ve had their vans broken into instead of this PC rubbish.

As a self employed tradesmen, I can tell you I'd much rather someone call me a white **** or whatever than steal my tools and stop me being able to work.

[Greenmile]

As a self employed tradesmen, I can tell you I'd much rather someone call me a white **** or whatever than steal my tools and stop me being able to work.

So the police shouldn’t bother following up any investigations on the racist Rangers fan then?

[ClaretMoffitt]

So the police shouldn’t bother following up any investigations on the racist Rangers fan then?

didn't say that but i'm not sure why you are trivialising people getting their vans broke into. In my book its a much more damaging offence to someones life than nasty words.

[tim_noone]

The police should be concentrating on folk who’ve had their vans broken into instead of this PC rubbish.

I thought most vans had the "no valuables kept in this van" sign displayed as a deterrent ?

[Greenmile]

didn't say that but i'm not sure why you are trivialising people getting their vans broke into. In my book its a much more damaging offence to someones life than nasty words.

It was a reference to this thread (post 41 and replies)...

http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... =2&t=30590" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

..and if you think a (presumably insured) adult tradesman having his van broken into is worse than a child having racist abuse hurled at them by a grown man, then we’ll have to agree to disagree.

[ClaretMoffitt]

It was a reference to this thread (post 41 and replies)...

http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... =2&t=30590" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

..and if you think a (presumably insured) adult tradesman having his van broken into is worse than a child having racist abuse hurled at them by a grown man, then we’ll have to agree to disagree.

just because you are insured doesn't mean your tools magically appear back in your van ready for the next day.

You could lose a weeks work if you get all your drills and kit robbed.

And I do actually, when it could well be that weeks work that puts a meal on a kids plate.

Hurt feelings hurt less than empty stomachs

[Greenmile]

just because you are insured doesn't mean your tools magically appear back in your van ready for the next day.

You could lose a weeks work if you get all your drills and kit robbed.

And I do actually, when it could well be that weeks work that puts a meal on a kids plate.

Hurt feelings hurt less than empty stomachs

Those children might be psychologically scarred for life. Mental health issues can easily arise from what you glibly dismiss as “hurt feelings”.

They might not, of course, but I reckon it’s as least as likely as your hypothetical tradesman being unable to feed his hypothetical children.

Do you think it might be things like your dismissive attitude to racist hate crimes like this that might have led people to think you’re a racist yourself perhaps? - I don’t think that to be absolutely clear, but I’ve seen that accusation thrown at you before, and you usually ask why people say that, so I’m positing a possible answer for you.

[ClaretMoffitt]

Those children might be psychologically scarred for life. Mental health issues can easily arise from what you glibly dismiss as “hurt feelings”.

They might not, of course, but I reckon it’s as least as likely as your hypothetical tradesman being unable to feed his hypothetical children.

Do you think it might be things like your dismissive attitude to racist hate crimes like this that might have led people to think you’re a racist yourself perhaps? - I don’t think that to be absolutely clear, but I’ve seen that accusation thrown at you before, and you usually ask why people say that, so I’m positing a possible answer for you.

Or it could just be that I'm a tradesman who's has his drills robbed before and I know how much it stings.

I don't really buy that some presumably p!ssed up moron saying daft sh!t to a bunch of teenagers is going to mentally scar them for life though.

[Greenmile]

Or it could just be that I'm a tradesman who's has his drills robbed before and I know how much it stings.

I don't really buy that some presumably p!ssed up moron saying daft sh!t to a bunch of teenagers is going to mentally scar them for life though.

You can’t help yourself downplaying it, can you? Why don’t you call it what it is, racial abuse of a child?

And I’m sorry you’ve had your tools stolen - maybe that’s what’s causing you not to look at this objectively. I’ve suffered neither racial abuse nor the theft of my tools, but I am able to empathise with people in either situation.

[Dom]

It was one fan and Rangers fans have rounded on him in condemnation. Racially abusing someone is disgusting and abhorrent, to racially abuse a child is even worse. He's been named and will hopefully be banned for life from Ibrox.

[Imploding Turtle]

Has no one stopped and considered the possibility that the children might have deserved it?

[Imploding Turtle]

It was one fan and Rangers fans have rounded on him in condemnation. Racially abusing someone is disgusting and abhorrent, to racially abuse a child is even worse. He's been named and will hopefully be banned for life from Ibrox.

Scotland is a pretty progressive country. But we still have our dregs of society just like anyone else. Except Canada.

[Top Don]

It was one fan and Rangers fans have rounded on him in condemnation. Racially abusing someone is disgusting and abhorrent, to racially abuse a child is even worse. He's been named and will hopefully be banned for life from Ibrox.

Cheered on and applauded by others though.

[Bfcboyo]

I don’t wish to see the video but the articleaning says it was ONE fan.
Best to change the thead title.

Before hatred laws are broken.

[Dom]

Cheered on and applauded by others though.

From the video I've seen it wasn't "cheered on and applauded", happy to be proven otherwise. There's the moron abusing the kids and some other prick laughing as far as I can tell. Not excusing their behaviour at all. Just hope that the club deal with it quickly. By all accounts he's a member of the Union Bears and they aren't known for being exactly cleaner than clean. Vast majority of Rangers fans are good people, shame when the minority of knuckledraggers give the majority a bad name.

[Chobulous]

. Vast majority of Rangers fans are good people, shame when the minority of knuckledraggers give the majority a bad name.

I'm sure the people of Manchester might take issue with that statement
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_UEFA_Cup_Final_riots" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/manchester/content ... ture.shtml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Dom]

I'm sure the people of Manchester might take issue with that statement
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_UEFA_Cup_Final_riots" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/manchester/content ... ture.shtml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

150,000+ fans. 39 arrests. The article you linked say it was a minority.

[claretonthecoast1882]

If Burnley took somewhere close to 200k people to Manchester and they spent the day drinking in the sun fully aware the fans without tickets were going to be able to watch the match on a big screens and then the one in Piccadilly Gardens was turned off just before kick off I reckon we can find a few from our small town who would misbehave.

[Lancasterclaret]

So its ok to racially abuse kids then because I had my tools stolen once?

Interesting argument

[CoolClaret]

So its ok to racially abuse kids then because I had my tools stolen once?

Interesting argument

You working as an editor for CNN now?

[ClaretMoffitt]

So its ok to racially abuse kids then because I had my tools stolen once?

Interesting argument

Interesting take on what I said there.

Cathy Newman would be proud.

[burnleymik]

Amazing how some things are interpreted by people on here.

As far as I can see he hasn't said it was acceptable or okay once. All he seems to disagree with is the level of priority it should be given.

[quoonbeatz]

150,000+ fans. 39 arrests. The article you linked say it was a minority.

a minority of about 30,000.

[Dom]

a minority of about 30,000.

******** it was 30,000, I was there and I live in Manchester. 30,000 people rioted did they? Don't talk shite.

[quoonbeatz]

******** it was 30,000, I was there and I live in Manchester. 30,000 people rioted did they? Don't talk shite.

i was there, i lived in the city centre at the time. it was tongue in cheek, you touchy get.

[Lancasterclaret]

Isn't it terrible when people make stuff up and then pass it off as what was said?

Not nice isn't it?

Did you see what I did there?

[Claret-On-A-T-Rex]

The police should be concentrating on folk who’ve had their vans broken into instead of this PC rubbish.

Brilliant