Trump backtrack.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:18 pm

mkmel wrote:If there were any pictures of dead children on here I would hope that the moderators have removed them and whoever posted them does not do that again.

The children were alive in the picture (post 38). We’re not dealing with BlueLab here.

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:58 pm

I'm actually happy that Putin is still in control in Russia. There are so many shady characters inhabiting Russia, that I'm sure that it would soon devolve into absolute chaos without him or some other similar strongman at the helm. True democracy is an absolute non-starter in many countries.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:54 am

mkmel wrote:If there were any pictures of dead children on here I would hope that the moderators have removed them and whoever posted them does not do that again.

The above reply was to someone who was just trying to make a point really. I should point out to be fair to them they weren't pictures of dead children as such it was a picture of some children who had died, a subtle difference. It was just an attempt at a bit of emotional blackmail and nothing more. My response to the post was perhaps a little 'over the top'.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:59 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:It was shot down by pro-russia rebels who were supplied the missile and the launcher on the day it show down the flight and the launcher returned to the Russians afterwards.

Russia are supplying their rebels to further their proxy war with Ukraine. If they supply it to idiots who don't know how to use it they're just as culpable as we would be if we provide it to pro-Britain rebels (who didn't know how to use it properly) in the Falklands if they shot down a passenger plane.

So the Russians didn't shoot the plane down then did they? In your own words they didn't do it. I'll accept your apology for arguing pointlessly that they did. They are no more guilty than we are for the slaughtering of Palestinians by the Israelis, who we supply.

I think they call it being hoist by your own petard.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:06 am

You don't just give a sophisticated SAM system to a bunch of fat civilians and go "there you go"

The launcher came from an air defence regiment based in Rostov, the personnel came from there and the decision to shoot it down would have come from someone in charge of the air defence system for the region.

Do you believe that the two provinces in revolt in Eastern Ukraine has such a system?

The evidence points to one country and one country only.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:30 am

houseboy wrote:So the Russians didn't shoot the plane down then did they? In your own words they didn't do it. I'll accept your apology for arguing pointlessly that they did. They are no more guilty than we are for the slaughtering of Palestinians by the Israelis, who we supply.

I think they call it being hoist by your own petard.

Umm...

The last sentence there is golden.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:00 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Umm...

The last sentence there is true. I'll crawl back into the turtle bunker and waste no more of your, and everybodys time, with my unhealthy time consuming, obsession with the President of the United States of America and future Nobel Peace prize winner, Donald Trump

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:12 am

For some reason every time I see the thread title I hear a Rage Against The Machine song in my head.

Bombtrack.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:15 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:Umm...

The last sentence there is true. I'll crawl back into the turtle bunker and waste no more of your, and everybodys time, with my unhealthy time consuming, obsession with the President of the United States of America and future Nobel Peace prize winner, Donald Trump

If Ringo ever claims not to be a Trump fanboi, remember this post.

bluelabrador16 · Post by **bluelabrador16** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:37 am

Lancasterclaret

"..The launcher came from an air defence regiment based in Rostov, the personnel came from there and the decision to shoot it down would have come from someone in charge of the air defence system for the region.

The evidence points to one country and one country only..."

Any facts or actual evidence for your opinion?

Evidence:

The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:40 am

Yup.

But I don't provide them for the lazy and the ill-informed anymore to be honest. Why waste my time and yours?

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:52 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:If Ringo ever claims not to be a Trump fanboi, remember this post.

Don't flatter yourself you self awareness lacking cretin. Nobody gives a toss what anybody post on here. It's an internet version of tomorrow's fish and chip paper.

"Remember this post" like you're making a grand address to a packed audience or summat!

Get over yourself you deluded clown.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:57 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:You don't just give a sophisticated SAM system to a bunch of fat civilians and go "there you go"

The launcher came from an air defence regiment based in Rostov, the personnel came from there and the decision to shoot it down would have come from someone in charge of the air defence system for the region.

Do you believe that the two provinces in revolt in Eastern Ukraine has such a system?

The evidence points to one country and one country only.

Let me just ask some questions mate:

Why do you describe the civilians as fat?
If they are so incompetent how do you know where the decision to fire it came from?
Where is the evidence that it points to 'one country and one country only'?
Do you think we should be selling weapons to the Israelis?
Does that make us as bad as the Russians?
And finally the one question no-one seems to be able to answer: why would the Russians shoot down a passenger airliner knowing the condemnation it would lead to for no purpose whatsoever?
Would the reasons (whatever they be) for shooting it down outweigh the cost to the countries reputation.

The first question may seem odd but there is a relevance to it I promise you.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:08 am

Because the tv reports showed drunken and overweight militiamen around the wreckage houseboy.

Anyone who looked vaguely capable of looking like a soldier was safely back behind the Russian border.

There is even a word for all this that has entered Western usage, and its a Russian world - Maskirovka

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:29 am

houseboy wrote:Let me just ask some questions mate:

Why do you describe the civilians as fat?
If they are so incompetent how do you know where the decision to fire it came from?
Where is the evidence that it points to 'one country and one country only'?
Do you think we should be selling weapons to the Israelis?
Does that make us as bad as the Russians?
And finally the one question no-one seems to be able to answer: why would the Russians shoot down a passenger airliner knowing the condemnation it would lead to for no purpose whatsoever?
Would the reasons (whatever they be) for shooting it down outweigh the cost to the countries reputation.

The first question may seem odd but there is a relevance to it I promise you.

Hi Houseboy, ive got a genuine question for you. I've noticed on multiple posts when discussing/debating things with posters who would be seen on here as lefties or libtards etc that you often throw in a what about Israel like you are highlighting a contradiction.

Do you think a lot of anti trump, anti Putin liberal types support Israel and defend the western worlds approach to the Israel/Palestine situation?

It seems strange as the people you've tended to throw this at seem like people who would have a lot of empathy with the Palestinian plight and whilst it is extremely complex would be against the western media's bias towards Israel over Palestine

I'm not looking to get into a debate on the matter but I'm curious to know your thinking on this as everyone you say what about Israel too seem exactly the kind of people who would have grave concerns about Israel and the western world

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:32 am

How can one person be this full of anger and hate?

RingoMcCartney wrote:Don't flatter yourself you self awareness lacking cretin. Nobody gives a toss what anybody post on here. It's an internet version of tomorrow's fish and chip paper.

"Remember this post" like you're making a grand address to a packed audience or summat!

Get over yourself you deluded clown.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:36 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:How can one person be this full of anger and hate?

Objectivity, not anger you intellectual pygmy.

Perspective. Get some.

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:38 am

Is this going to go on for another six years?

We could be reigning Champions of Europe by then

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:48 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Because the tv reports showed drunken and overweight militiamen around the wreckage houseboy.

Were they drunk or did they just have bad backs?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:49 am

They might have had bad backs, they had huge chips on both their shoulders because of "Biased Western TV coverage"

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:27 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Hi Houseboy, ive got a genuine question for you. I've noticed on multiple posts when discussing/debating things with posters who would be seen on here as lefties or libtards etc that you often throw in a what about Israel like you are highlighting a contradiction.

Do you think a lot of anti trump, anti Putin liberal types support Israel and defend the western worlds approach to the Israel/Palestine situation?

It seems strange as the people you've tended to throw this at seem like people who would have a lot of empathy with the Palestinian plight and whilst it is extremely complex would be against the western media's bias towards Israel over Palestine

I'm not looking to get into a debate on the matter but I'm curious to know your thinking on this as everyone you say what about Israel too seem exactly the kind of people who would have grave concerns about Israel and the western world

Hello there DA. There is the problem for me also. My Israel analogy isn't meant to draw people into an argument over the rights and wrongs of Israel and I am sure that the people I aim this at are very concerned about that situation, it is down to the fact that people are allocating blame to a nation because the WEAPON used was manufactured there. Israel just happens to be the most high profile situation with regard to atrocities. I don't know whether Russia had anything directly to do with the shooting down of the plane but I am a great believer in innocent until proven guilty and there are questions that have no obvious answers that lead me to have doubt. That doubt doesn't mean I'm right of course. My Israel analogy is simply highlighting the fact that (forgetting the rights and wrongs of selling weapons, which is a whole other argument) we are selling weapons to a nation that is carrying out acts which, shall we say, leave a lot to be desired. The people deriding Russia for something that they may have had no hand in apart from providing weapons do not seem to realise that if they apportion guilt in this way then we are, by default, guilty of killing children in Palestine.
I hope this clears my stance up a little. I suppose I just ask questions and if there are no clear cut answers then I keep an open mind, what I try not to do (and it CAN be difficult sometimes) is jump to conclusions based on the evidence of the media who quite often have an agenda of their own.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:38 pm

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:Yanukovych was removed by his own Parliament, not the United States. 73% of Parliament.

Everyone in Syria is fighting Isis, Russia is propping up a war criminal in Assad, the fight against Isis is an excuse.

Not everyone unless Isis are fighting themselves

it's very complex the situation with various splinter factors loyal to certain causes Kurds ect, not everybody agrees with Assad which makes things even more complicated.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:40 pm

There is a chart which tries to explain who is fighting who in Syria.

Its completely mental. I'll see if I can find it.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:41 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Because the tv reports showed drunken and overweight militiamen around the wreckage houseboy.

Anyone who looked vaguely capable of looking like a soldier was safely back behind the Russian border.

There is even a word for all this that has entered Western usage, and its a Russian world - Maskirovka

So you didn't see any non-overweight men in the footage then? Or were you looking for the ones who you thought looked the most obvious choice for criticism? You know, just as when the media find the worst possible photograph of someone accused of murder/rape/abuse?
If the only people capable of looking like a soldier were in Russia where do the Russians fit in with shooting down the plane, other than the missile was manufactured there?
Did you see any EVIDENCE of direct Russian involvement?

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:49 pm

houseboy wrote:Hello there DA. There is the problem for me also. My Israel analogy isn't meant to draw people into an argument over the rights and wrongs of Israel and I am sure that the people I aim this at are very concerned about that situation, it is down to the fact that people are allocating blame to a nation because the WEAPON used was manufactured there. Israel just happens to be the most high profile situation with regard to atrocities. I don't know whether Russia had anything directly to do with the shooting down of the plane but I am a great believer in innocent until proven guilty and there are questions that have no obvious answers that lead me to have doubt. That doubt doesn't mean I'm right of course. My Israel analogy is simply highlighting the fact that (forgetting the rights and wrongs of selling weapons, which is a whole other argument) we are selling weapons to a nation that is carrying out acts which, shall we say, leave a lot to be desired. The people deriding Russia for something that they may have had no hand in apart from providing weapons do not seem to realise that if they apportion guilt in this way then we are, by default, guilty of killing children in Palestine.
I hope this clears my stance up a little. I suppose I just ask questions and if there are no clear cut answers then I keep an open mind, what I try not to do (and it CAN be difficult sometimes) is jump to conclusions based on the evidence of the media who quite often have an agenda of their own.

Thanks for the response Houseboy and I sort of get the comparison more in this scenario than how I remember you using it in the past but that might be me not remembering correctly.

I'm getting from your post that you throw it in the mix at people in a you make a big song an dance about one thing (Russia) but seem to turn a blind eye in other situations (Israel) kind of way rather than trying to suggest these anti Russia, anti Trump people are actually pro-Israel

Maybe its my interpretation but it does come across more like the latter rather than the former but then messageboards like this are not that conducive for having in depth debates of this nature

Its a hard one as I don't see myself as that political and more hate what I see as bigotry, extremism (at both ends of the spectrum) and the way people willingly swallow up misinformation (false/false news) nowadays. The one area I probably feel most strongly about is Israel and the Wests treatment of Palestine however if its not the topic being debated I don't see why I shouldn't be able to give my view on say Russia if thats the topic being discussed without the need to mention Israel.

Anyhow as said thanks for the response

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:53 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:There is a chart which tries to explain who is fighting who in Syria.

Its completely mental. I'll see if I can find it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-middle-east-39528673" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I'll save you some time.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:14 pm

Houseboy

The site was sanitized by the Russians and their militias before the tv crews were allowed in.

Everytime I see a tweet about this plane being shot down, there are hundreds of russian spam bots printing russian propaganda, including multiple pictures of the worlds most obviously photoshopped photo of a plane right behind the airliner.

It was shot down by BUK missile, launched from a BUK missile system supplied and operated by the Russian military fighting with the separatists.

Do you believe that Russia invaded the Crimea?

Russia denied it every single day till the day they admitted it.

In 1940, the Russians shot dead all the Polish officer prisoners they has captured when they invaded Poland at Katyn Forest near Smolensk. They denied they had done it for fifty years ,before admitting it.

Need I really go on?

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 2:09 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Thanks for the response Houseboy and I sort of get the comparison more in this scenario than how I remember you using it in the past but that might be me not remembering correctly.

I'm getting from your post that you throw it in the mix at people in a you make a big song an dance about one thing (Russia) but seem to turn a blind eye in other situations (Israel) kind of way rather than trying to suggest these anti Russia, anti Trump people are actually pro-Israel

Maybe its my interpretation but it does come across more like the latter rather than the former but then messageboards like this are not that conducive for having in depth debates of this nature

Its a hard one as I don't see myself as that political and more hate what I see as bigotry, extremism (at both ends of the spectrum) and the way people willingly swallow up misinformation (false/false news) nowadays. The one area I probably feel most strongly about is Israel and the Wests treatment of Palestine however if its not the topic being debated I don't see why I shouldn't be able to give my view on say Russia if thats the topic being discussed without the need to mention Israel.

Anyhow as said thanks for the response

You're welcome. Just as an aside I agree with you totally about extremism. And you are totally right about the way I use my arguments. I have never suggested to anyone on here that they don't care about Palestine, that includes the people who I have recently been in debate with, it's just that two things concerned are analogous in the context of the argument.

Thanks for your original post.

bluelabrador16 · Post by **bluelabrador16** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 2:24 pm

Syria war: A brief guide(fordummies) to who's fighting whom

"...Wait, what? I've definitely heard about US strikes in Syria before.

Yes, you have. But those were targeting IS militants as part of an international campaign that began in September 2014.
Lots of other countries are taking part, including the UK, France, Jordan and several Gulf States....."

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-middle-east-39528673" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Someone I would enjoy a pint of Guinness with:

Ken O'Keefe........ Dares To Say What Others Do Not ....Sept 2014

Ken O'Keefe, lays it out perfectly on dinosaur mainstream media, calling out the fraud. Must see, must share! Brilliant!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESZN_YDE-TU" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

.....8.56.......Well Worth Watching!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:16 pm

He's backtracked again, but this time he's starting a disinformation campaign against Americans. Now he is expressing how deeply concerned he is about Russia interference in the elections in November. Only he's telling people that Russia will be trying to elect Democrats because of how tough trump has been on Russia.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:54 am

Apparently this wasn't just one of his twitter lies. This is actually part of a coordinated, structured disinformation campaign against Americans.

https://www.theatlantic.com/internation ... pt/565385/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So, for the lazy, a US reporter stands up and asks Putin outright if he wanted Trp to win the election and did he direct any of his officials to help make that happen. Putin says "yes I did", twice. Then the White House transcript omits that question. And just in case we thought it was a mistake the White House video has it carefully edited out.
Then less than a week later Trump is on Twitter lying about how Putin really wants Democrats to win.

"What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening." - George Orwell. Wait, no. That was Trump.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 5:17 pm

The backtracks continue...

"Fake News reporting, a complete fabrication, that I am concerned about the meeting my wonderful son, Donald, had in Trump Tower. This was a meeting to get information on an opponent, totally legal and done all the time in politics - and it went nowhere. I did not know about it!"

How long before he admits he did know about it but that it doesn't matter because it was "totally legal"?
And if he isn't worried about the legality of his son meeting with agents of a hostile government to receive information gleaned from espionage against your own nation then why did he feel the need to fit into his tweet such a denial about knowing about it?

bluelabrador16 · Post by **bluelabrador16** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 6:43 pm

Chomsky: Israel not Russia, Meddling in US elections

"Renowned American scholar and political activist Noam Chomsky has accused Israel of meddling in US elections, stressing that the Israeli intervention “vastly overwhelms” any efforts allegedly carried out by Russia in 2016.

“First of all, if you’re interested in foreign interference in our elections, whatever the Russians may have done barely counts or weighs in the balance as compared with what another state does, openly, brazenly and with enormous support,” Chomsky said in an interview with Democracy Now! published on Tuesday.

“Israeli intervention in US elections vastly overwhelms anything the Russians may have done, I mean, even to the point where the prime minister of Israel, Netanyahu, goes directly to Congress, without even informing the president, and speaks to Congress, with overwhelming applause, to try to undermine the president’s policies - what happened with Obama and Netanyahu in 2015,” he added.

Chomsky was referring to a speech by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in March 2015, when he addressed the joint houses of Congress about the yet to be signed Iran nuclear deal. The Israeli premier delivered the speech without formally informing the White House, a move that was said to have infuriated then-president Barack Obama. More than 50 Democrats boycotted Netanyahu’s speech at that time.........."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0mysW8yVE8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Claret-On-A-T-Rex · Post by **Claret-On-A-T-Rex** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 7:31 pm

Haven't seen any posts from Wrongo on here for the last few days, is he banned?

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 7:44 pm

I would imagine everything is above board and legal. If not I'm sure he will be impeached within his first 6 months in office...

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 7:57 pm

Damo wrote:I would imagine everything is above board and legal. If not I'm sure he will be impeached within his first 6 months in office...

It certainly looks like he's going to be impeached over crimes he committed withing his first 6 months. If congress were doing their job, as opposed to doing Putin's job, he'd be gone by now. The west can only hope they respond to Mueller's report more appropriately than they have so far, other wise we're going to lose our most important ally to Russia's influence.

Trump committing obstruction of justice is all but proven. A crime Nixon resigned over because his removal was certain. Conspiracy is probably proven too given how much evidence is already in the public and the reach for even more evidence that Mueller has.

One thing i really don't understand however is why people who claim not to be Trump supporters persistently mock anyone who talks about Trump's criminality and the danger he and his party poses to the western alliance, yet they never seem to mock Trump or his supporters. Would you care to offer an explanation for that?

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:32 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:One thing i really don't understand however is why people who claim not to be Trump supporters persistently mock anyone who talks about Trump's criminality and the danger he and his party poses to the western alliance, yet they never seem to mock Trump or his supporters. Would you care to offer an explanation for that?

When the pro trump brigade post thread after thread about it on here, I will be the first in the queue to wind them up if that answers your question.
If not I suggest you ask reddit

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:50 pm

Damo wrote:When the pro trump brigade post thread after thread about it on here, I will be the first in the queue to wind them up if that answers your question.
If not I suggest you ask reddit

So, you're just a troll. Kinda surprised you'd just come out and admit it, but OK.

I'm curious, in what way do you think trolls are a positive for a message board discussion? Or any kind of discussion for that matter.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:39 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:So, you're just a troll. Kinda surprised you'd just come out and admit it, but OK.

I'm curious, in what way do you think trolls are a positive for a message board discussion? Or any kind of discussion for that matter.

I only troll the extremists. I'm fairly sure you woulndt ignore the people you disagree with

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:58 pm

Damo wrote:I only troll the extremists. I'm fairly sure you woulndt ignore the people you disagree with

You're trolling people who want Mueller to be allowed to do his job and expose the crimes Trump is clearly terrified he's going to expose. Are they extremists now?

If so then the bar for extremism is pretty low when you're defining as "extremists" opponents of a man who encourages violence against his opponents and uses Nazi rhetoric to vilify the free press. Its kind of odd that I'm the extremist here.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:07 pm

Just watched Ed Balls in America part two. Trump lies about gun control as well. Great series and i have really warmed to Ed Balls. I might not currently be a labour voter but the likes of him are head and shoulder above Trump and its a shame he cannot get back into parliament with more moderate socialists to counter Corbyn.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:29 pm

bfcjg wrote:Just watched Ed Balls in America part two. Trump lies about gun control as well. Great series and i have really warmed to Ed Balls. I might not currently be a labour voter but the likes of him are head and shoulder above Trump and its a shame he cannot get back into parliament with more moderate socialists to counter Corbyn.

The lies, not just the sheer number of them but also how baldfaced they are, are just staggering. Even more staggering is that so many are OK with it and they mock those of use who are exasperated by them. It's a form of complicity. And we should remember what they're complicit in too. They aid and abet every single crime Trump commits when they try to diminish the voices pointing it all out.

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:11 am

bfcjg wrote:Just watched Ed Balls in America part two. Trump lies about gun control as well. Great series and i have really warmed to Ed Balls. I might not currently be a labour voter but the likes of him are head and shoulder above Trump and its a shame he cannot get back into parliament with more moderate socialists to counter Corbyn.

Totally agree that an Ed Balls return to parliament would be a welcome thing, but in order to do that he would have to find a constituency labour party that wasn't riddled with Momentum supporters. I think the chances of him being selected as a candidate in the current deselect any dissenter climate being fostered by Corbyn and his storm troopers is vanishingly small.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:54 pm

Chobulous wrote:Totally agree that an Ed Balls return to parliament would be a welcome thing, but in order to do that he would have to find a constituency labour party that wasn't riddled with Momentum supporters. I think the chances of him being selected as a candidate in the current deselect any dissenter climate being fostered by Corbyn and his storm troopers is vanishingly small.

I think that is why Labour are getting more unelectable, especially with the furore over the anti Semitism. There is talk of a new centre ground party being formed, I would be very interested to see what would happen if it became a reality.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:26 pm

Apparently the first time Trump tweeted about Clinton's emails in 2016 was 20 minutes before the meeting took place

Yet he claims he didn't know about the meeting, or what it was about, until after it.

Where's Blue Lab, he loves it when these timing coincidences happen.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:29 pm

Aah lets put all this European football nonsense on the back burner and get back to banging on and on about Donald Trump....

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:08 pm

Whatever happened to the 'Upthebeehole' account?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:00 am

randomclaret2 wrote:Aah lets put all this European football nonsense on the back burner and get back to banging on and on about Donald Trump threads...

fixed your post.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 4:58 pm

This belongs here. Trump's now telling his fans that what he said to Lester Holt last year, when he said he fired Comey because of the Russia Investigation, isn't what he said. He's trying to imply that not only was the interview fabricated, but that everyone has known it was fabricated. The only people who'll believe him are the Uwe Noble types.

bumba · Post by **bumba** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 5:02 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:This belongs here. Trump's now telling his fans that what he said to Lester Holt last year, when he said he fired Comey because of the Russia Investigation, isn't what he said. He's trying to imply that not only was the interview fabricated, but that everyone has known it was fabricated. The only people who'll believe him are the Uwe Noble types.

Just under three hours until the biggest game of the season, maybe our last in europe for many a years worst case, possibly a great night an we qualify for the group stages yet STILL your more interested in Donald Trump....... YAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWNNN