Brexit Food Shortages

[RingoMcCartney]

Watching Ringo try and get his head round percentages is genuinely painful.

Reading the desperate desperate comments by the predictable gaggle of europhiles is hilarious .

One of their own tried playing the percentage game and it back fired.

He's refused to answer a simple question repeatedly

Jakubclaret has confirmed what I said.

And crux of the matter is this. I'll hazard a guess that non one of you lot have been anywhere near a job centre in the last few years. Non of you are on minimum wage.

You're apparent support for free movement of people, and it's negative effect on the ability for the poorest in society to ask for better pay. In my eyes, puts you on the same footing as the latter day exploitative, dickensian master sweeps.

So you wriggle and nitpick, and pretend that in the real world, eastern Europeans don't all get called "poles" . But for the I'm alright Jack attitude, shame on the lot of you.

Try supporting Newcastle United instead of Burnley. They've a chairman who no doubt shares your views on the apparent benefits of the over supply of cheap foreign labour.

Women having to give birth in the sports direct warehouse toilets, through fear of the sack. Gets the seal of approval, from the those on the UTC message board, Mike Ashleys

[Devils_Advocate]

Most are polish, I should have been more clear & said Eastern European, nil desp was just being pedantic distorting the essence of the points being raised, it's a characteristic trait I've noticed certain posters have adopted to try to make the opposing poster look dim & detract from the argument, demonstrates a lack of ability in my view to counter constructively.

There is a reason you look dim on here and its got nothing to do with any other poster

[RingoMcCartney]

Nah, most people call them Eastern European. Your argument hinging on the other side being psychic makes it a bit difficult.

As an outsider. What do you think of the Real World?

[RingoMcCartney]

There is a reason you look dim on here and its got nothing to do with any other poster

Says the moron that believes an unverified source that a brief blip of numbers from an area IN the United kingdom, which meant that they weren't even classed as immigrants. Trumps actual immigration figures, verified by the ONS, Full Fact and respected newspapers such as the Guardian.

If Carlsberg did dim!!!!

Mr Kettle let me introduce you to the idiotic Mr Pot!

[Spiral]

Women having to give birth in the sports direct warehouse toilets, through fear of the sack. Gets the seal of approval, from the those on the UTC message board, Mike Ashleys

Babies are being born in toilets because of EU regulations.

[RingoMcCartney]

Babies are being born in toilets because of EU regulations.

And you have the nerve to call Jakubclaret "dim"!!!!!

What an utter utter utter, gold plated, weapons grade cretin.

I genuinely cannot be arsed.....

[Spiral]

Splendid. Plenty of people on here making a far better case for Brexit than you are.

BTW, Jakubclaret, I never called you dim. Or anything else, for that matter.

[Tall Paul]

lol

[RocketLawnChair]

I am completely lost now, are the Polish eating all the food?

[aggi]

This is brilliant. If you don't refer to all Eastern Europeans as Polish then you are in favour of women having to give birth in the sports direct warehouse toilets. This is the "Real world".

Best of all, the solution to this is to push forward with a party who have said a number of times that they want to remove employment rights and make it easier to sack people and make it easier for them to do that.

The Lithuanian guys who live downstairs from me are going to be a bit surprised when I tell them that they're actually Polish though.

I'm wondering where else this applies. Are all Western Europeans referred to as French, all Scandinavians referred to as Swedish, Americas actually Panamanian?

It's always worth carrying these debates on just to see what the next bizarre argument will be.

[ClaretAndJew]

I jokingly call the Czech girl I'm dating Polish, she hates it. But I'm massively intolerant of her and her kind coming over here etc etc.

[RingoMcCartney]

There is a reason you look DIM on here and its got nothing to do with any other poster

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[RingoMcCartney]

There is a reason you look dim on here and its got nothing to do with any other poster

See above.

[RingoMcCartney]

This is brilliant. If you don't refer to all Eastern Europeans as Polish then you are in favour of women having to give birth in the sports direct warehouse toilets. This is the "Real world".

Best of all, the solution to this is to push forward with a party who have said a number of times that they want to remove employment rights and make it easier to sack people and make it easier for them to do that.

The Lithuanian guys who live downstairs from me are going to be a bit surprised when I tell them that they're actually Polish though.

I'm wondering where else this applies. Are all Western Europeans referred to as French, all Scandinavians referred to as Swedish, Americas actually Panamanian?

It's always worth carrying these debates on just to see what the next bizarre argument will be.

You didn't answer.

As an outsider. What do you think of the Real World?

And the above post just proves it.

The UTC message board Mike Ashleys.- the posters that reality forgot. But smugness and self righteousness certainly didn't.

[martin_p]

Most are polish, I should have been more clear & said Eastern European, nil desp was just being pedantic distorting the essence of the points being raised, it's a characteristic trait I've noticed certain posters have adopted to try to make the opposing poster look dim & detract from the argument, demonstrates a lack of ability in my view to counter constructively.

I love the notion that thinking some meant Polish when they wrote ‘Polish’ is being pedantic rather than just being able to read.

[TheFamilyCat]

I am completely lost now, are the Polish eating all the food?

No, the Lithuanians are eating all the food but blaming the Poles and getting away with it because nobody can tell the difference.

[aggi]

You didn't answer.

As an outsider. What do you think of the Real World?

And the above post just proves it.

The UTC message board Mike Ashleys.- the posters that reality forgot. But smugness and self righteousness certainly didn't.

I think, like most people, I view Ringo's Real World as a very strange place. A place where evidence can be dismissed because it only answers the question that was asked, rather than answering the question that wasn't asked. A world where you just hope that the sun will come up tomorrow because empirical evidence can't be used to predict the future. A place where facts are mutable.

I think I'll stick with the actual world.

[Quickenthetempo]

There's a game on tonight to talk about.

Stop this crap for now.

[RingoMcCartney]

Splendid. Plenty of people on here making a far better case for Brexit than you are.

I agree. And with the attitudes to the lowest paid, it's the ceaseless Remoaners on here, who are the best marketing campaign for leaving the EU!

[RingoMcCartney]

Splendid. Plenty of people on here making a far better case for Brexit than you are.

I agree. And with the attitudes to the lowest paid, it's the ceaseless Remoaners on here, who are the best marketing campaign for leaving the EU!

[Imploding Turtle]

I wonder what'll happen to the likes of Ringo if there's a referendum on the final deal and Remain wins. Anyone think he'll practice what he's preached for the past 2 years?

[Billy Balfour]

I wonder what'll happen to the likes of Ringo if there's a referendum on the final deal and Remain wins. Anyone think he'll practice what he's preached for the past 2 years?

Has he promised to go out into the real world and maybe do a bit of socialising, instead of spending his every waking hour on here belming Brexcrement into the void?

[Imploding Turtle]

Has he promised to go out into the real world and maybe do a bit of socialising, instead of spending his every waking hour on here belming Brexcrement into the void?

Speculating on other people's personal and private lives is for other, lesser people.

[RingoMcCartney]

I think, like most people, I view Ringo's Real World as a very strange place. A place where evidence can be dismissed because it only answers the question that was asked, rather than answering the question that wasn't asked. A world where you just hope that the sun will come up tomorrow because empirical evidence can't be used to predict the future. A place where facts are mutable.

I think I'll stick with the actual world.

What an absolute load of old cobblers.

The fact is that nil desperandum wanted to try and be smart and play the percentages game. It bit him on the backside. By your own admission the percentage of Europeans was far greater than the cherry picked figure he quoted.

It's clear that your world is a cosseted, kept in clover, highly paid world. And as long as you get your mocha frappa wotsit served to you every morning. By some one on a zero hours contract, on a near poverty hourly rate, who's probably living in cramped, expensive rented conditions. Then aggis world is perfect. **** the rest, and their plight. Aggis world is just fine.

What a nasty self centred man.

[RingoMcCartney]

I wonder what'll happen to the likes of Ringo if there's a referendum on the final deal and Remain wins. Anyone think he'll practice what he's preached for the past 2 years?

Best of 3...5....7....?

[RingoMcCartney]

Has he promised to go out into the real world and maybe do a bit of socialising, instead of spending his every waking hour on here belming Brexcrement into the void?

As a matter of fact I'm off down the turf with my lad. Bought him the full new home kit on Saturday and he's buzzing to wear it down there tonight.

"belming Brexcrement into the void?"

While I'm down there, do me a favour. Learn to speak English and grow up eh?

Toodle pip.

[Spiral]

And as long as you get your mocha frappa wotsit served to you every morning. By some one on a zero hours contract, on a near poverty hourly rate, who's probably living in cramped, expensive rented conditions. Then aggis world is perfect. **** the rest, and their plight. Aggis world is just fine.

Okay, time for a bit of an autobiography. Been there, done that. Lived in council houses my entire life. Once lived next to a bloke who stabbed his neighbour over a noise complaint-same d!ckhead played eurotrance at 110db every Friday night into the early hours of the morning. (That kind of council estate). Poor growing up (I was that kid in PE with the off-brand PE kit and knock-off Westports; that this could be mentioned when discussing the 'plight of the poor' probably means the country needs a bit of a reality check). Done zero-hours, had the pi$$ taken out of me by the job centre with their workfare programme a week into JSA. Prospect of home ownership out of the window for me and I've completely written-off the prospect of retiring. Probably going to re-train but need the money first. Know what, though? I've never once felt the desire to sit here feeling sorry for myself, blaming other people for what would be perceived by others as 'problems'. I don't consider being skint a 'problem' insofar as I'm happy (genuinely), but I've got enough wits about me to appreciate that it could be much worse.

Never bought coffee from a coffee shop.

You're making ad hominem arguments, which aren't arguments.

[nil_desperandum]

What an absolute load of old cobblers.

The fact is that nil desperandum wanted to try and be smart and play the percentages game. It bit him on the backside.

In what sense?
I didn't express an opinion.
Another poster made a false claim about the number of Polish workers in Burnley without fact-checking or giving any source for his opinion.
It took me about 30 seconds to discover that the number of Polish people in Burnley was 0.3% of 85 million in the most recent verifiable census. That means that the number of Polish workers must be significantly less. (ie less than 250).
It was then pointed out to us that Polish didn't mean Polish at all, but meant workers
from the EU!
That obviously results in a higher percentage - but it doesn't make the 0.3% figure for Polish immigrants incorrect, unless of course you want to rubbish the official figures.
Give up on this one now Ringo, and have a great night out at the Turf. UTC.

[Jakubclaret]

In what sense?
I didn't express an opinion.
Another poster made a false claim about the number of Polish workers in Burnley without fact-checking or giving any source for his opinion.
It took me about 30 seconds to discover that the number of Polish people in Burnley was 0.3% of 85 million in the most recent verifiable census. That means that the number of Polish workers must be significantly less. (ie less than 250).
It was then pointed out to us that Polish didn't mean Polish at all, but meant workers
from the EU!
That obviously results in a higher percentage - but it doesn't make the 0.3% figure for Polish immigrants incorrect, unless of course you want to rubbish the official figures.
Give up on this one now Ringo, and have a great night out at the Turf. UTC.

Quote me where I've made a false claim regarding numbers please. You've already been exposed with your numbers not subtracting certain age groups who don't even qualify to enter into the job market.

[nil_desperandum]

Quote me where I've made a false claim regarding numbers please. You've already been exposed with your numbers not subtracting certain age groups who don't even qualify to enter into the job market.

Briefly.(It's half-time).
You claimed that the number of Polish workers locally was significant, which I quickly disproved by quoting population figures from the most recent census.
It's true that my figure of 0.3% includes nonworkers, but that strengthens my point.
If you want to subtract children and other non-workers, then the percentage will be LESS than the 0.3%, so that's even fewer than 3 in every thousand.

[Jakubclaret]

Briefly.(It's half-time).
You claimed that the number of Polish workers locally was significant, which I quickly disproved by quoting population figures from the most recent census.
It's true that my figure of 0.3% includes nonworkers, but that strengthens my point.
If you want to subtract children and other non-workers, then the percentage will be LESS than the 0.3%, so that's even fewer than 3 in every thousand.

Them pro EU massaged figures you can do me a favour print them out & post them to me & I will use them as an alternative to andrex. The government are absolutely desperate to remain in the EU & lead us all to believe that Eastern European (can't mention polish) are at a really low insignificant number, by hook or crook some buy, I'm not gullible I see it my eyes are open.

[nil_desperandum]

Them pro EU massaged figures you can do me a favour print them out & post them to me & I will use them as an alternative to andrex. The government are absolutely desperate to remain in the EU & lead us all to believe that Eastern European (can't mention polish) are at a really low insignificant number, by hook or crook some buy, I'm not gullible I see it my eyes are open.

Sorry having problems replying due to bloody adverts.
I can agree with you to the extent that both pro and anti EU groups massage or manipulate data to support their agenda, but in this case my figures were simply the figures taken from the 2011 census, which you will accept was several years before the referendum and is not intended to be political.
I would also accept that the figure might be slightly wrong, but the 2011 census is generally acknowledged to be the best measure of the countries demographics.
That published figure won't be very far out.

[Greenmile]

Them pro EU massaged figures you can do me a favour print them out & post them to me & I will use them as an alternative to andrex. The government are absolutely desperate to remain in the EU & lead us all to believe that Eastern European (can't mention polish) are at a really low insignificant number, by hook or crook some buy, I'm not gullible I see it my eyes are open.

You made a claim, nil d provided stats that prove you wrong, so you just choose not to believe the stats, after first claiming that he’d been “exposed with his numbers” seemingly just because Ringo (Ringo ffs!) said so.

How (and why) would the census figures have been manipulated without anyone (but you) finding out? This stuff really is a religion with some of you, isn’t it?

Reminds me of this article I was reading today.

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[Jakubclaret]

Let's just kee

You made a claim, nil d provided stats that prove you wrong, so you just choose not to believe the stats, after first claiming that he’d been “exposed with his numbers” seemingly just because Ringo (Ringo ffs!) said so.

How (and why) would the census figures have been manipulated without anyone (but you) finding out? This stuff really is a religion with some of you, isn’t it?

It's not just me finding out, have the government ever lied to us before, WMD Iraq why not now it's not oil now but a never-ending cheap influx of labour, regarding Ringo seems a pretty level headed chap to me shame it's in scant supply. The stats provided were questionable on many tiers, & questions Ringo asked have still been purposely avoided.

[Greenmile]

Let's just kee

It's not just me finding out, have the government ever lied to us before, WMD Iraq why not now it's not oil now but a never-ending cheap influx of labour, regarding Ringo seems a pretty level headed chap to me shame it's in scant supply. The stats provided were questionable on many tiers, & questions Ringo asked have still been purposely avoided.

So because we were lied to once in the past, you’re allowed to just ignore any stats or facts that don’t fit your agenda? Can you see why I’ve compared this sort of thinking to a religion? It’s the same mindset as you get with 9/11 truthers, anti-vaxxers, flat-earthers etc

I mean, how do you decide which facts to believe? It’s just the ones which agree with your preconceived ideas isn’t it?

How exactly is ONS census data questionable on any level?

Mind, if you think Ringo’s a level headed chap, I can’t see much hope for you when it comes to assessing information.

[Jakubclaret]

So because we were lied to once in the past, you’re allowed to just ignore any stats or facts that don’t fit your agenda? Can you see why I’ve compared this sort of thinking to a religion? It’s the same mindset as you get with 9/11 truthers, anti-vaxxers, flat-earthers etc

I mean, how do you decide which facts to believe? It’s just the ones which agree with your preconceived ideas isn’t it?

How exactly is ONS census data questionable on any level?

Mind, if you think Ringo’s a level headed chap, I can’t see much hope for you when it comes to assessing information.

We'll just keep taking advantage of cheap labour, that's the solution some people are striving for.

[aggi]

What an absolute load of old cobblers.

The fact is that nil desperandum wanted to try and be smart and play the percentages game. It bit him on the backside. By your own admission the percentage of Europeans was far greater than the cherry picked figure he quoted.

It's clear that your world is a cosseted, kept in clover, highly paid world. And as long as you get your mocha frappa wotsit served to you every morning. By some one on a zero hours contract, on a near poverty hourly rate, who's probably living in cramped, expensive rented conditions. Then aggis world is perfect. **** the rest, and their plight. Aggis world is just fine.

What a nasty self centred man.

I just provided the numbers. It's not really my fault that you don't understand that Eastern Europe and Poland aren't the same thing.

Maybe have another read through this when you're sober and it will be pretty obvious that quoting a figure for polish immigrants is appropriate when someone is talking about the number of polish immigrants (unless you can point out where jakubclaret originally said EU, not Polish). It's been an exciting night for us Burnley fans, no one will blame you for having had a few drinks and abusing another Burnley fan.

[martin_p]

Let's just kee

It's not just me finding out, have the government ever lied to us before, WMD Iraq why not now it's not oil now but a never-ending cheap influx of labour, regarding Ringo seems a pretty level headed chap to me shame it's in scant supply. The stats provided were questionable on many tiers, & questions Ringo asked have still been purposely avoided.

I think it’s entirely plausible that five years in advance of a referendum nobody knew was going to happen with a result that few expected that the government asked the Office of National Statistics to deliberately reduce the number of EU workers recorded in Burnley just in case a football messageboard discussion on Brexit food shortages led to someone who didn’t support the referendum result needing to refute a claim by someone who did (even though they said Polish when they meant Eastern European).

Anyone who doesn’t think so hates Britain.

[Jakubclaret]

I just provided the numbers. It's not really my fault that you don't understand that Eastern Europe and Poland aren't the same thing.

Maybe have another read through this when you're sober and it will be pretty obvious that quoting a figure for polish immigrants is appropriate when someone is talking about the number of polish immigrants (unless you can point out where jakubclaret originally said EU, not Polish). It's been an exciting night for us Burnley fans, no one will blame you for having had a few drinks and abusing another Burnley fan.

The point is not what I originally said, even though that was the catalyst for the incorrect ion bandwagon to gain motion comparable to a Maserati, let's focus on the issue instead of Jakubclaret saying polish broadly instead of eastern European, clarified in a earlier post. Nitpicking on a gigantic scale.

[RingoMcCartney]

I just provided the numbers. It's not really my fault that you don't understand that Eastern Europe and Poland aren't the same thing.

Maybe have another read through this when you're sober and it will be pretty obvious that quoting a figure for polish immigrants is appropriate when someone is talking about the number of polish immigrants (unless you can point out where jakubclaret originally said EU, not Polish). It's been an exciting night for us Burnley fans, no one will blame you for having had a few drinks and abusing another Burnley fan.

I've been on with my son. So I shared a 2 quid Pepsi with him. When you start accusing people of being drunk, it's obvious I've hit a raw nerve with my guess. That like nil desperandum you live quite a cosseted life and have a lifestyle unaffected by cheap foreign labour.

The "facts" you lot are using are SEVEN YEARS out of date.

Since the "facts" you hold so precious were produced there's been a noticeable increase in foreign accents around town. I'm starting to think that not a single one of you live in Burnley. If you did you'd have seen with your own eyes and ears the massive rise in what everybody calls "Polish" whether you like it or not.

I don't blame them from coming here, not one bit. But when ivory towered champagne socialists patronize others and me with their lofty pronouncements. Yet, they themselves live lives shielded from the worst effects of the over supply of cheap foreign labour, I'll point it out.

So you focus on SEVEN year old facts.

I'll point out the I'm alright Jack, **** the proles attitude you lot have.

[Greenmile]

We'll just keep taking advantage of cheap labour, that's the solution some people are striving for.

This bears no relation to the post you quoted. I’m not interested in having the immigration debate with you. I’m just trying to tell you that you won’t get anywhere near the truth if you arbitrarily decide to ignore or deny certain facts based on nothing more than a hunch or your preconceived ideas.

[RingoMcCartney]

In what sense?
I didn't express an opinion.
Another poster made a false claim about the number of Polish workers in Burnley without fact-checking or giving any source for his opinion.
It took me about 30 seconds to discover that the number of Polish people in Burnley was 0.3% of 85 million in the most recent verifiable census. That means that the number of Polish workers must be significantly less. (ie less than 250).
It was then pointed out to us that Polish didn't mean Polish at all, but meant workers
from the EU!
That obviously results in a higher percentage - but it doesn't make the 0.3% figure for Polish immigrants incorrect, unless of course you want to rubbish the official figures.
Give up on this one now Ringo, and have a great night out at the Turf. UTC.

SEVEN YEAR OLD "FACTS"

Seven years that has seen literally millions of migrants come to the UK. And where do they settle? Increasingly, in easier to afford poorer areas of the country. Don't fret, I don't think you've anything to concern yourself with.

6th time for my question -

Can you confirm with a simple yes or No.
Whether you are in a position where your job/ lifestyle /wealth is not directly effected by the effects of an over supply of cheap foreign labour.?

[martin_p]

I've been on with my son. So I shared a 2 quid Pepsi with him. When you start accusing people of being drunk, it's obvious I've hit a raw nerve with my guess. That like nil desperandum you live quite a cosseted life and have a lifestyle unaffected by cheap foreign labour.

The "facts" you lot are using are SEVEN YEARS out of date.

Since the "facts" you hold so precious were produced there's been a noticeable increase in foreign accents around town. I'm starting to think that not a single one of you live in Burnley. If you did you'd have seen with your own eyes and ears the massive rise in what everybody calls "Polish" whether you like it or not.

I don't blame them from coming here, not one bit. But when ivory towered champagne socialists patronize others and me with their lofty pronouncements. Yet, they themselves live lives shielded from the worst effects of the over supply of cheap foreign labour, I'll point it out.

So you focus on SEVEN year old facts.

I'll point out the I'm alright Jack, **** the proles attitude you lot have.

Well I haven’t heard a single Polish or Eastern European accent on the Turf and you keep telling us that the crowd is an accurate reflection of the town

[martin_p]

SEVEN YEAR OLD "FACTS"

Seven years that has seen literally millions of migrants come to the UK. And where do they settle? Increasingly, in easier to afford poorer areas of the country. Don't fret, I don't think you've anything to concern yourself with.

6th time for my question -

Can you confirm with a simple yes or No.
Whether you are in a position where your job/ lifestyle /wealth is not directly effected by the effects of an over supply of cheap foreign labour.?

He’s moved onto a new argument. He’s obviously accepted he was wrong on attacking the percentages

[Jakubclaret]

This bears no relation to the post you quoted. I’m not interested in having the immigration debate with you. I’m just trying to tell you that you won’t get anywhere near the truth if you arbitrarily decide to ignore or deny certain facts based on nothing more than a hunch or your preconceived ideas.

Head in sand as much as you want, but that's the core fundamental reason for the emergence of Brexit & the nuts & bolts that entail, embrace or ignore, that's upto you, I've got a Horlicks to drink, night.

[RingoMcCartney]

Well I haven’t heard a single Polish or Eastern European accent on the Turf and you keep telling us that the crowd is an accurate reflection of the town

Just pathetic. Absolutely pathetic. When was the last time you came any where near the turf or the town? You're clearly lacking any local or up to date knowledge.

[RingoMcCartney]

He’s moved onto a new argument. He’s obviously accepted he was wrong on attacking the percentages

Are the "facts" SEVEN years out of date?

Even using the 7 year old facts. Is there more than 0.3% of the workforce of eastern European origin?

Yes. And yes.

I'm still asking the same question to nil desperandum and now aggi. It still, revealingly, remains unanswered.....

[ClaretAndJew]

What statistics are we trying to ascertain?

[martin_p]

Just pathetic. Absolutely pathetic. When was the last time you came any where near the turf or the town? You're clearly lacking any local or up to date knowledge.

Pretty much every home match for the last 40 years. How about you?

[martin_p]

Are the "facts" SEVEN years out of date?

Even using the 7 year old facts. Is there more than 0.3% of the workforce of eastern European origin?

Yes. And yes.

I'm still asking the same question to nil desperandum and now aggi. It still, revealingly, remains unanswered.....

Guess what Wrongo, no one claimed that only 0.3% of the workforce were of Eastern European origin. Go on, prove me wrong, point to where they did