Brexit Food Shortages

[Jakubclaret]

I'm sure you would!

Doesn't make it true though. I can't turn the tv on without seeing Brexiteers repeating unchallenged lies.

If the media properly scrutinised the Brexit supporters, then this would have died on its arse.

& when exactly would they find the time for all of this? they’re too busy promoting remain, I’ve cancelled all my newspaper subscriptions on my kindle as it’s all pro EU, the media are very pro remain I got tired of the bombardment.

[burnleymik]

Have you considered that part of the reason they / you are “at the bottom” is that they lack education and critical reasoning skills (through no fault of their own in most cases, I’m sure) and therefore believe the crap fed to them by our intensely anti-EU media for most of that 40 odd years.

This is incredibly patronising. Do you think people who voted, from either side, voted on the intricacies of the EU? No, ALL of us voted on the bigger pictures. There were two pictures....

1. Doom, Gloom, Threats, bullying, negativity and sneering.

2. Change. A chance to try and go it alone and create our own destiny without the EU overlords, but have to accept being called racists, xenophobes and bigots.

The majority opted for the second option.

[Lancasterclaret]

So where do you get your news from then?

People who tell you exactly what you want to hear? Utterly pointless

[burnleymik]

I'm sure you would!

Doesn't make it true though. I can't turn the tv on without seeing Brexiteers repeating unchallenged lies.

Which channels mate and which programs?

If the media properly scrutinised the Brexit supporters, then this would have died on its arse.

The media and the left didn't want to scrutinise or understand Brexiteers, they just wanted to call them racists for their immigration concerns, thick because they want the EU to be directly accountable to citizens and gullible because we wanted a different future.

[Jakubclaret]

So where do you get your news from then?

People who tell you exactly what you want to hear? Utterly pointless

Various sources, I’d settle for something neutral that’s seems to a increasing struggle, nah thanks I’ll stick to my books it might be fiction but with no vested agendas.

[Lancasterclaret]

Same list as yours Burnleymik

Beeb are the worst, for reasons best known to themselves.

And your last point I'm sure sounds great when you chat with your Brexit buddies as you plan spending your pension, but its based on exactly the same levels of reality as every argument that Brexiteers come up with.

I'm fine with you lot believing it, but just don't expect those of us who don't see everything in the context of a future in which we just have to believe in more for it to come true.

[Lancasterclaret]

Fair enough, share them on here. I'm all ears to hear what a committed Brexiteer who believes that Poles are forcing down the wages in East Lancashire regards as "neutral sources".

[RingoMcCartney]

So where do you get your news from then?

People who tell you exactly what you want to hear? Utterly pointless

Says one of James Obrians disciples!

Utterly gullible.

[RingoMcCartney]

Fair enough, share them on here. I'm all ears to hear what a committed Brexiteer who believes that Poles are forcing down the wages in East Lancashire regards as "neutral sources".

The "neutral sources" are probably the Burnley job centre or one of the recruitment agencies, where the minimum wage is the going rate.

[Lancasterclaret]

Eh?

Books mainly and articles written by "experts"

An "expert" is someone who has spent years/decades in the his chosen field, so knows what they are talking about. For some daft reason, I have a lot more time for them then people who shout "BREXIT MEANS BREXIT" or get all personal when they lose arguments.

[Jakubclaret]

Fair enough, share them on here. I'm all ears to hear what a committed Brexiteer who believes that Poles are forcing down the wages in East Lancashire regards as "neutral sources".

It’s all facilitated by dishonest business owners & dodgy landlords, not just in east lancs, it’s nationwide more prevalent in cities/large towns where the demand is. Cheap labour & if it that practice gets criticised the racist label tag becomes apparent.

[Lancasterclaret]

Right, so not a source then?

The only person who quoted a source in that exchange was nil desperandum, and because you lot don't like facts, you made some up to try to back up your points and essentially said (again) that "its what I believe, and that is what matters"

Same to you as to Mik, you believe it all you want, but there is no chance of me believing it because it relies on ignoring facts and reality in favour of belief.

[burnleymik]

Same list as yours Burnleymik

Beeb are the worst, for reasons best known to themselves.

And your last point I'm sure sounds great when you chat with your Brexit buddies as you plan spending your pension, but its based on exactly the same levels of reality as every argument that Brexiteers come up with.

I'm fine with you lot believing it, but just don't expect those of us who don't see everything in the context of a future in which we just have to believe in more for it to come true.

If that is the case I am sure you can show me lots of Tv guests ETC that spend time explaining the positives of EU migration and explaining the positives of the EU....

[Lancasterclaret]

Right, so lets see your sources then.

It shouldn't be that hard, I mean you are stating stuff that you believe to be true, so there must be some basis for that?

[Lancasterclaret]

What would be the point?

You don't want to believe official government sources for starters that we are all going to be worse off under every single scenario when we leave the EU.

You blame a remainer conspiracy when the actual minister for exiting the EU tells us that we have to stockpile food and medicine.

I don't need to go on to be perfectly honest

[Jakubclaret]

Right, so not a source then?

The only person who quoted a source in that exchange was nil desperandum, and because you lot don't like facts, you made some up to try to back up your points and essentially said (again) that "its what I believe, and that is what matters"

Same to you as to Mik, you believe it all you want, but there is no chance of me believing it because it relies on ignoring facts and reality in favour of belief.

The “facts” quoted were dubious to say the least & highly questionable. At the moment I simply refuse to believe anything the government has to say with very good reason. When things become clearer regarding the outcome with the Brussels mob, my trust may be restored.

[bfcjg]

Perhaps some of these people so beloved of the come one come all liberal remainers at all costs could bring some food with them ?
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[RingoMcCartney]

Charlie Mullins , exploitative multi millionaire boss at Pimlico plumbers, was a co-conspirator with that odious witch, Gina Miller in forcing a vote in parliament. Claiming it was about democracy. I remember him saying , " if we leave where am I gonna get my workers from!?"

More recently he lost his case in the high court that he shouldn't have to pay his employees holiday pay. Despite many of them being employed by him for 6, years or more.

These are the type of exploitative **** that gullible Remoaners side with. More astonishingly, they do it while claiming to be concerned about food banks and poverty.

It's the likes of Mullins and Mike Ashley that see deluded working class Remoaners as useful idiots. And they simply refuse to see it lashing out with groundless accusations of" racist ", little Englander," "uneducated" and "not understanding" and seeing themselves as the self appointed guardians of those they portray as being unable to think for themselves.

What beautiful irony.

[RingoMcCartney]

Four men who punched and stamped on Polish girl, 17, saying she 'deserved to be killed' for dating an Englishman, beat her boyfriend and stabbed his father in the leg outside their own home are jailed for 10 years

Racist **** off our streets.

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[Lancasterclaret]

Is that EU policy that Charlie Mullins is using, or UK Govt policy? That is UK Govt policy

And calling a much brighter person than you or me an "odious witch" isn't a good look btw.

[martin_p]

If things have been getting consistently worse for 40 years so that the poor are at their lowest ebb in all that time, then isn't that evidence that the EU isn't the best option for the poor?

So me the evidence that things have been getting worse for the last 40 years. We’ve had recessions and we’ve had boom times from what I remember.

[RingoMcCartney]

Is that EU policy that Charlie Mullins is using, or UK Govt policy? That is UK Govt policy

And calling a much brighter person than you or me an "odious witch" isn't a good look btw.

Think you'll find free movement of people is one of the EUs four "freedoms" It the commoditization of human beings.

Mullins has been milking it like the latter day master sweep he is.

And your on his side.

As for Miller, she may have millions but she's certainly no democrat. Just someone desperate to preserve her entitlement and **** democracy. Odious witch.

[Tall Paul]

If things have been getting consistently worse for 40 years so that the poor are at their lowest ebb in all that time, then isn't that evidence that the EU isn't the best option for the poor?

[RingoMcCartney]

So me the evidence that things have been getting worse for the last 40 years. We’ve had recessions and we’ve had boom times from what I remember.

Permanently living at altitude in that ivory tower, has obviously had an adverse effect on your memory.

Martin p - like the widening gap between the rich and the increasing numbers of the poorest has never ever happened.

[martin_p]

Permanently living at altitude in that ivory tower, has obviously had an adverse effect on your memory.

Martin p - like the widening gap between the rich and the increasing numbers of the poorest has never ever happened.

Go on then, just one figure that shows ‘things have been getting consistently worse for the last 40 years’. It’s just st not the case. We were better off in the late 90s and early 00s than in the 80s recessions being one very obvious answer.

[RingoMcCartney]

There was a woman on the radio the other day. She owned a string of care homes. She had paid minimum wage to her army of eastern European workers.

Sadly, for her, she'd seen fewer and fewer of the conveyor built provided cheap labour coming through. Obviously this was a serious concern for her, and her profit.

She asked one of her under valued and under paid workers, from Poland, why fewer were coming. She said she'd assumed it was due to the referendum result.

However, it was due to the fact that potential employees were finding more financially rewarding work back in their own country and in other countries.

Rather than actually pay more to retain staff, she said they'd have to look at other cost cutting measure to maintain her profit!!!

Haha that Old free movement of people eh!?

Hoist by her own petard!

[RingoMcCartney]

Go on then, just one figure that shows ‘things have been getting consistently worse for the last 40 years’. It’s just st not the case. We were better off in the late 90s and early 00s than in the 80s recessions being one very obvious answer.

No Marty.

You show me figures that prove the gap between the haves and the have nots HASNT widened on the last 40 years.

I know evidence isn't your forte, but I'm off out soon. I'll give you all weekend!

I'll give you a pointer. Take a look at the numbers of those people claimimg in work benefits in 2018, compared to, say, 1975.

Also the pay margins for directors and employees in FTS E 100 or FTSE 250 companies, for the same years. Think they'll have narrowed or widened?

Evidence Marty, time to finally step up!

[martin_p]

No Marty.

You show me figures that prove the gap between the haves and the have nots HASNT widened on the last 40 years.

I know evidence isn't your forte, but I'm off out soon. I'll give you all weekend!

Well a quick google found this for a start. And you’ve moved the goal post, the quote was ‘consistently got worse over the last 40 years’, not just comparing 1978 to today.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc. ... s-40644850

[RingoMcCartney]

Well a quick google found this for a start. And you’ve moved the goal post, the quote was ‘consistently got worse over the last 40 years’, not just comparing 1978 to today.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc. ... s-40644850

Welcome to Marty's wonderful world of cherry picking!!!

Focusing on a ten year period within a 40 odd year one!!!

Pathetic just pathetic!

[RingoMcCartney]

You've got all weekend to come up with something more convincing than that!!!!

I'm trying to help you.

Take a look at the numbers of those people claimimg in work benefits in 2018, compared to, say, 1975.

Also the pay margins for directors and employees in FTS E 100 or FTSE 250 companies, for the same years. Think they'll have narrowed or widened

Toodle pip.

[martin_p]

Welcome to Marty's wonderful world of cherry picking!!!

Focusing on a ten year period within a 40 odd year one!!!

Pathetic just pathetic!

And you claim to have an education, ha! Simple English statements seem to stump you. The phrase ‘ consistently worse for the last 40 years’ means it gets worse year on year. I only have to prove one year was better than any previous to disprove that.

[RingoMcCartney]

And you claim to have an education, ha! Simple English statements seem to stump you. The phrase ‘ consistently worse for the last 40 years’ means it gets worse year on year. I only have to prove one year was better than any previous to disprove that.

Taken from the link YOU posted!

"
Analysis: Theo Leggett, business correspondent

Inequality is falling, but that doesn't mean living standards are rising a great deal. Here's why.

Incomes have declined among the highest earners, many of whom work in the finance and insurance industries. That's because these sectors were hit hardest by the financial crisis.

That brings down the gap between rich and poor. But if someone who once earned £5m per year is now earning £2.5m, they are still pretty rich. And it doesn't change anything for people on the lowest incomes, who still struggle to make ends meet.

There have been some improvements for people on the lowest incomes - an increased minimum wage and higher benefits, for example. And more people are in employment.

But overall, incomes have barely increased and the level of absolute poverty - defined as people below a fixed level of income, seen as the minimum required to meet their basic needs - has only fallen slightly over the past decade"

So in other words the gap is mainly due to the bankers have less money!!!!

Remind me Marty who said this only yesterday -

"
You claim to support ‘those at the bottom’ but I haven’t heard one word of dissent from you on the austerity measures that have disproportionately effected those at the bottom or the benefit cuts that have left families depending on food banks.

Food banks Marty!? Who mentioned them only yesterday?

Petard time Marty.

Now evidence based on 40 years please stop the cherry picking and the simultaneous shooting yourself in the foot !!

Toodle pip for definate!

[Greenmile]

Education? - Grammar school educated. HNC in business studies. 2:1 in business and finance. Qualified as a financial and mortgage advisor looking after high net worth clients."

And by the way Marty. I don't "claim to support those at the bottom."

I'm one of the feckers.

These two statements are mutually exclusive. I wonder which one is the lie.

How many Poles were taking up all the HNW financial / mortgage adviser jobs to leave you as one of the feckers at the bottom?

[Greenmile]

Pro Remain media:

Firstly the most power of organisations is the BBC and according to OFCOM that is where the majority of people get their news:

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BBC were undoubtedly Pro-Remain: https://medium.com/@NoahCarl/in-the-lea ... 7233a8f2fc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



On top of the BBC there were:

C4 News
ITV News
The Mirror
Evening Standard
Guardian
Independant
FT
Observer
Huffington Post
The Times


I would even claim that virtually all our TV media outlets supported Remain and have a majority of pro-remain guests on.

You're one of those people who thinks "balance" means giving equal time to climate science deniers or flat-earthers, aren't you?

btw, I can't see the png images you've posted on recent threads. Is it just me?

[Greenmile]

The “facts” quoted were dubious to say the least & highly questionable. At the moment I simply refuse to believe anything the government has to say with very good reason. When things become clearer regarding the outcome with the Brussels mob, my trust may be restored.

This is what I was trying to say last night. You seem to be claiming facts as dubious and questionable solely because they don't back up your world-view. Your views should be informed by the facts, not the other way 'round ("realz before feelz" as I believe Moffit and his alt-right pals would say )

[Jakubclaret]

This is what I was trying to say last night. You seem to be claiming facts as dubious and questionable solely because they don't back up your world-view. Your views should be informed by the facts, not the other way 'round ("realz before feelz" as I believe Moffit and his alt-right pals would say )

Sometimes you've got to accept & more importantly realise you're in the wrong, you've been schooled off far wiser posters than me on a particular subject, example me the other day I said Russians crossed the Rhine the guy who answered knew more about WW2 than me I accepted I was in the wrong, don't listen to me plenty of other people wiser than me listen to them. The education is there if you are willing to accept it, the world wide views are what other more knowledgeable people have taught me, sometimes don't be defensive & argumentative its not constructive, just accept certain posters wisdom.

[aggi]

It’s all facilitated by dishonest business owners & dodgy landlords, not just in east lancs, it’s nationwide more prevalent in cities/large towns where the demand is. Cheap labour & if it that practice gets criticised the racist label tag becomes apparent.

Isn't this all an issue with the UK government not enforcing laws regarding: minimum wage, working standards, living conditions, etc?
Why is the EU being blamed for the UK's regulation failures?

[burnleymik]

You're one of those people who thinks "balance" means giving equal time to climate science deniers or flat-earthers, aren't you?

btw, I can't see the png images you've posted on recent threads. Is it just me?

As a remainer, I am guessing you are one of those "glass half-empty" people?

As for the images, I thought that was just me, as I can't see the ad banners on the site either for some reason. Tried different browsers and also not being logged in, so not sure what I have done.

[Devils_Advocate]

How the hell did our world become so full of gullible, stupid and cowardly idiots such as burnleymik, Jakub & Ringo. I live up north and work in London with about as multicultural diverse team as you could imagine and the REAL real world that I exist in is fortunately nothing like the sad world they portray

The sooner this Brexit rubbish is just knocked on the head and the normal people can get back control of the asylum the better all our lives will be

[Jakubclaret]

Isn't this all an issue with the UK government not enforcing laws regarding: minimum wage, working standards, living conditions, etc?
Why is the EU being blamed for the UK's regulation failures?

It's intrinsically linked whilst being in the EU, only 1 remedy.

[Imploding Turtle]

It's in intrinsically linked whilst being in the EU, only 1 remedy.

Just because you say something is the EU's fault doesn't mean we believe you. Provide evidence.

[TheFamilyCat]

Sometimes you've got to accept & more importantly realise you're in the wrong, you've been schooled off far wiser posters than me on a particular subject, example me the other day I said Russians crossed the Rhine the guy who answered knew more about WW2 than me I accepted I was in the wrong, don't listen to me plenty of other people wiser than me listen to them. The education is there if you are willing to accept it, the world wide views are what other more knowledgeable people have taught me, sometimes don't be defensive & argumentative its not constructive, just accept certain posters wisdom.

I genuinely did not follow a word of that. Do I have to accept that I've been schooled or is Jakub talking complete gibberish?

[Jakubclaret]

I genuinely did not follow a word of that. Do I have to accept that I've been schooled or is Jakub talking complete gibberish?

Are you greenmile perhaps? Posting same person 2 different usernames, anyhow that was my response to greenmile or maybe familycat. If you're a different poster don't understand the involvement.

[Jakubclaret]

That actually makes sense somebody in another post mentioned familycat so it's obvious what's going 2 identical people reinforcing the same viewpoint in order to diminish the posters reply, nice try.

[Devils_Advocate]

That actually makes sense somebody in another post mentioned familycat so it's obvious what's going 2 identical people reinforcing the same viewpoint in order to diminish the posters reply, nice try.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xlXxT8qNkI

[Greenmile]

Sometimes you've got to accept & more importantly realise you're in the wrong, you've been schooled off far wiser posters than me on a particular subject, example me the other day I said Russians crossed the Rhine the guy who answered knew more about WW2 than me I accepted I was in the wrong, don't listen to me plenty of other people wiser than me listen to them. The education is there if you are willing to accept it, the world wide views are what other more knowledgeable people have taught me, sometimes don't be defensive & argumentative its not constructive, just accept certain posters wisdom.

I think you’re saying Ringo is wiser than you (and me obviously) so I’m going to back out of this conversation now.

[Jakubclaret]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xlXxT8qNkI

Very mature of you, if you watch Rick you'll understand how the EU really operates
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[aggi]

It's intrinsically linked whilst being in the EU, only 1 remedy.

I've no idea what that means.

[Devils_Advocate]

Very mature of you, if you watch Rick you'll understand how the EU really operates
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Chief idiot

[Greenmile]

As a remainer, I am guessing you are one of those "glass half-empty" people?

As for the images, I thought that was just me, as I can't see the ad banners on the site either for some reason. Tried different browsers and also not being logged in, so not sure what I have done.

I’m glass half empty when it comes to Brexit, but I believe I’m basing that opinion on the facts and statistics I see and hear in the media, rather than presuming the media are all in on some strange anti-Brexit conspiracy which means they do things like falsifying census figures so they can pretend there are less Poles here than there are. Occam’s razor applies.