Prime minister Boris

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:29 am

How long do you give it before he's in number 10?

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:30 am

Boris and Trump. You couldn't write it.

Im_not_Robbie_Blake · Post by **Im_not_Robbie_Blake** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:30 am

It will never happen.

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:33 am

If anyone in the North of England would welcome this, I suggest you get off your knees, put your cap back on and tell him to get ****ed.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:38 am

I don’t think he will get in the final two, the Cameroon bunch of Tory MPs despise him. Which draws me to him because I despise them. I don’t think he would be very good, particularly on attention to detail, but I do think he would be entertaining, positive and a visionary who gets most of his big picture stuff correct. That in itself would be miles better than May. There may be a place for him in number 10 for a few years before moving to one of the up and coming ones.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:39 am

Derangement, bigotry and racism, the new politics of nutters and nasties.

edison · Post by **edison** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:14 am

FactualFrank wrote:Boris and Trump. You couldn't write it.

you could

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:19 am

Can we get any worse that Theresa May?

Hendrickxz · Post by **Hendrickxz** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:22 am

As long as we have Rees-Mogg as his right hand man! That has the makings of the best comedy duo since the Two Ronnies. Whoever has been in for the last few terms seem determined to bugger everything up, so we might as well have a laugh on the way to becoming a total wreck of a country....

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:23 am

CrosspoolClarets wrote:I don’t think he will get in the final two, the Cameroon bunch of Tory MPs despise him. Which draws me to him because I despise them. I don’t think he would be very good, particularly on attention to detail, but I do think he would be entertaining, positive and a visionary who gets most of his big picture stuff correct. That in itself would be miles better than May. There may be a place for him in number 10 for a few years before moving to one of the up and coming ones.

Not really that many Africa MP's for it to make a difference is there?

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:24 am

Im_not_Robbie_Blake wrote:It will never happen.

They said that about Donald.

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:29 am

FactualFrank wrote:They said that about Donald.

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Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:30 am

If you want a revolution (or riots!), then Boris is the man for that

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:31 am

it would prove how thick the electorate really were having a party with him at the helm.
he is no more than an upper crust ****, and if any of his pretend buffoonery appeals to people who just refer to the **** as "Boris" as if he was a bit of a lad, then they too are idiots.

Hendrickxz · Post by **Hendrickxz** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:34 am

Ah, but. Would it prove that the electorate is thick, or that the system is knackered. I don't recall going to the polling booth to vote for a party with Daisy May as Prime Minsiter, do you?

duncandisorderly · Post by **duncandisorderly** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:37 am

I don't think we should have one for a couple of years. See how that works.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:38 am

I would prefer his dad Stanley.

Hendrickxz · Post by **Hendrickxz** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:39 am

Stanley's a tool.....

The Enclosure · Post by **The Enclosure** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:44 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:How long do you give it before he's in number 10?

About 50 years God willing....another Trump type of person.cannot stand the odious ex public schoolboy.

HiroshimaClaret · Post by **HiroshimaClaret** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:11 am

Gets you wondering when the last time in let`s say, Western politics, we`ve had a leader who, regardless of political affiliation, was seen as working for the good of everyone in their respective country, ALLOWED to govern for the good of the people and did not get entrenched in petty, party politics which inevitably led to their downfall/removal? I`m discounting current incumbents in my thoughts.

No-one springs to mind but I think (and this will probably be hugely unpopular an OPINION) that if Iain Duncan-Smith HAD been given a chance, had been supported by his party and wasn`t the victim of a pathetic smear campaign by the press wanting a more `story-friendly leader`, hence their `Quiet Man` labelling, he could have done a very good job.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:14 am

Hendrickxz wrote:Ah, but. Would it prove that the electorate is thick, or that the system is knackered. I don't recall going to the polling booth to vote for a party with Daisy May as Prime Minsiter, do you?

?
I didn't personally vote for her party, but the option was there to vote for her party, (and de facto TM as PM) in May 2017.
The option was rejected but she is still PM due to the DUP. (That doesn't make it undemocratic though).

SammyBoy · Post by **SammyBoy** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:34 pm

HiroshimaClaret wrote:No-one springs to mind but I think (and this will probably be hugely unpopular an OPINION) that if Iain Duncan-Smith HAD been given a chance, had been supported by his party and wasn`t the victim of a pathetic smear campaign by the press wanting a more `story-friendly leader`, hence their `Quiet Man` labelling, he could have done a very good job.

I think any leader of the Tory party around that time was on a hiding to nothing after Blair's second landslide, even after public opinion turned against the Iraq war Labour still won a 60+ seat majority in 2005.

lovebeingaclaret · Post by **lovebeingaclaret** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:47 pm

IanMcL wrote:Derangement, bigotry and racism, the new politics of nutters and nasties.

Quite pathetic. Your r-a-c-i-s-t-m keys must be well worn out.

gawthorpe_view · Post by **gawthorpe_view** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:49 pm

edison wrote:you could

He just did!

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:51 pm

IanMcL wrote:Derangement, bigotry and racism, the new politics of nutters and nasties.

Don't be too harsh on Seamus Milne, Jeremy Corbyn & John McDonnall, Ian, there's time yet for Labour to change !!

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:51 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Boris and Trump. You couldn't write it.

Hope it happens,it will be fun if nothing else!

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:54 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Boris and Trump. You couldn't write it.

The barber's would love it !!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:55 pm

FactualFrank wrote:They said that about Donald.

Needed Russia's help though, didn't he?

KateR · Post by **KateR** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:57 pm

the bigger picture is that it's being discussed, forecast for a reason, it's the poor state of potential leaders from any party at this moment, I believe he has blayed a samrt long game up to this point, Trump'esque indeed, saying what many think but no one else dares to say is a way to make yourself popular.

The issue around the Burka is in my opinion is a smoke screen and there is nothing racist in the comment what so ever to me !!

Pearcey · Post by **Pearcey** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:01 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:How long do you give it before he's in number 10?

I hope, never!

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:02 pm

The Conservatives won 2 London Mayoral Elections with Boris Johnson as the candidate, I can't think of another Conservative politician who could achieve that now !! A Tory Government under Boris or a hard left anti US/Israel Labour administration under Corbyn .....

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:04 pm

Boris's comments about burkas looking like pillar boxes (which they do) are on a par with the standard jokes for years about nuns looking like penguins. Not something to take offence at.

He's probably right to defend women's rights to wear the burka etc., though I wouldn't be inclined to let them into banks. But I think basically the offence was caused by his even hinting at the idea that some of these women don't get a choice - they have to wear these outfits because their fathers and husbands tell them to. It may be that this doesn't happen and every single woman who wears a burka does so from choice (I doubt it) - but if the question isn't asked, we won't know the answer.

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:07 pm

There is literally nothing that qualifies him for high office. He has a track record of failure and waste as Mayor of London, was an abomination as Foreign Secretary (given that his role was as a diplomat and ambassador for the country he ended up just offending people wherever he went and being respected by nobody.) He has no conviction to any cause beyond the advancement of himself (remember the two different articles he wrote on Brexit before deciding which campaign would serve his ambitions best.) He is a demonstrable, compulsive liar. He headed up a campaign that has been proven to be unlawful and was subsequently referred to the police. He regularly seeks to be controversial to get attention regardless of the effect on anybody else. He is widely despised across the country and even within his own party.

I guess on the one hand you could argue that he is over-qualified to be a senior politician, but I think he's gone way past the point where the Tory party could seriously put him forward as a potential PM. Thankfully.

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:14 pm

Bacchus wrote: He regularly seeks to be controversial to get attention regardless of the effect on anybody else. He is widely despised across the country and even within his own party.
I guess on the one hand you could argue that he is over-qualified to be a senior politician, but I think he's gone way past the point where the Tory party could seriously put him forward as a potential PM. Thankfully.

This could have been written about Churchill, if threads were around in 1938/9 !!

KateR · Post by **KateR** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:27 pm

Bacchus wrote:There is literally nothing that qualifies him for high office. He has a track record of failure and waste as Mayor of London, was an abomination as Foreign Secretary (given that his role was as a diplomat and ambassador for the country he ended up just offending people wherever he went and being respected by nobody.) He has no conviction to any cause beyond the advancement of himself (remember the two different articles he wrote on Brexit before deciding which campaign would serve his ambitions best.) He is a demonstrable, compulsive liar. He headed up a campaign that has been proven to be unlawful and was subsequently referred to the police. He regularly seeks to be controversial to get attention regardless of the effect on anybody else. He is widely despised across the country and even within his own party.

I guess on the one hand you could argue that he is over-qualified to be a senior politician, but I think he's gone way past the point where the Tory party could seriously put him forward as a potential PM. Thankfully.

Lot of fake news in that rant, I get it that you don't like him though from reading between the lines

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:29 pm

KateR wrote:Lot of fake news in that rant, I get it that you don't like him though from reading between the lines

Feel free to point out which bits are 'fake news.'

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:36 pm

As mayor of London he squandered a lot of tax money: £30 Million on a nonexistent bridge, hundreds of thousands on water cannons, and he ended an agreement which saw Transport for London get a 20% discount on fuel. Anyone recall anything remarkable he did as Foreign Secretary - apart from reciting a Kipling poem in Myanmar (and being told to shut up by the UK ambassador), getting a UK citizen's prison sentence lengthened in Iran, and repeatedly going against his own government's position on things? So with such a record of abject failure, let's make him the prime minister!

Or what Bacchus says.

Duffer_ · Post by **Duffer_** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:37 pm

Seeing HC's comments on IDS got me to thinking about other politicians who may have been successful in different times. I always thought Simon Hughes was capable of good things, despite being a Milwall fan, but he tied himself in knots with questions about his sexuality when in reality his electorate didn't give a fig. I also liked Charles Kennedy which suggests I have unexplored feelings for the Lib Dems.

UTC!

mkmel · Post by **mkmel** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:41 pm

There are so many posts on here that I want to tap the like button on

KateR · Post by **KateR** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:43 pm

Bacchus wrote:Feel free to point out which bits are 'fake news.'

He was liked as the Mayor of London much more than the present one, the fact he got a second term is proof enough

Being universally dispised is I believe an overstated fake news, he is very popular, hence the post and subject.

Any person who has popular always will have those that attack and try to bring them down a peg or two

I believe you wrote fake news in the main!

Now your turn, tell me and explain how he is not popular and why when he was so useless as the Mayor he was re-elected for a second term?

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:56 pm

KateR wrote:He was liked as the Mayor of London much more than the present one, the fact he got a second term is proof enough

Being universally dispised is I believe an overstated fake news, he is very popular, hence the post and subject.

Any person who has popular always will have those that attack and try to bring them down a peg or two

I believe you wrote fake news in the main!

Now your turn, tell me and explain how he is not popular and why when he was so useless as the Mayor he was re-elected for a second term?

AndrewJB above lists a few examples of expensive 'misjudgements' he made as Mayor. You could add his buses and his crazy floating airport scheme. Pretty much everything he touched was an expensive disaster. Still, he was occasionally amusing so that makes up for it all in the eyes of some.

I also never said universally despised - I said widely despised, which I stand by.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:33 pm

The accusations of racism (when it is not, in fact he was 100% correct) is the kind of thing that really harm the hyper-liberals. If everything is racist then nothing is racist. We need to keep the term back for things which genuinely are, otherwise the hyper-liberals get viewed as fringe nutters just like the marxists and fascists. Boris married a part Indian woman for heavens sake!

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:53 pm

This Bojo is racist business is preposterous , he sat two terms of Mayor of one of the most diverse cities in the world ffs . The left and uber liberals know that Boris is the only figure who could ( possibly ) galvanise the Tories and destroy Corbyn in a GE hence why they’re feasting on this scrap of nonsense , seemingly unaware he was supporting their right to wear the fecking things !

He’d struggle in a “ play off” though as ( despite what some think) there’s a lot of pretty wet Tories who really don’t like him. Boris needs to keep clear of the likes of clowns like JRM and his ilk and he could be a fine PM

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:58 pm

mkmel wrote:There are so many posts on here that I want to tap the like button on

What's stopping you

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:02 pm

KateR wrote:He was liked as the Mayor of London much more than the present one, the fact he got a second term is proof enough

Being universally dispised is I believe an overstated fake news, he is very popular, hence the post and subject.

Any person who has popular always will have those that attack and try to bring them down a peg or two

I believe you wrote fake news in the main!

Now your turn, tell me and explain how he is not popular and why when he was so useless as the Mayor he was re-elected for a second term?

How was he "liked" as London Mayor ?....he got lucky with the Olympics (which was also massively over budget) but other than that what did he do for London ?

The guy is an absolute idiot - at least Trump (who is also a buffoon) was a "successful" businessman (caveat that with bankruptcies and his inherited fortune !). What has Boris ever done other than rugby tackle a 10 year old in front of the world cameras ?!!

I can't stand Teresa May but whilst the likes of Gove, Johnson and Rees Mogg are about I don`t think she has anything to worry about.

British Politics in general seems at an all time low with the quality of our politicians - and that includes the Labour party and the anonymous Liberals.

mkmel · Post by **mkmel** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:05 pm

Sadly I 100% agree with your last paragraph

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:22 pm

KateR wrote:He was liked as the Mayor of London much more than the present one, the fact he got a second term is proof enough

that isn't proof as khan has only been in the job for 2 years.

the proof will come if he stands for re-election.

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:26 pm

Ken Livingston helped land the Olympics, and also turned the London bus from something you might use if you have all the time in the world, to something that actually got you to where you had to be on time. The Congestion Zone (something even Blair's Labour opposed) has probably saved tens of thousands of lives by reducing pollution (though London is still not meeting targets on that). Livingstone was a great mayor - far thinking, and loved London and its people. Had he stayed in office Londoners would have had their own gas and electric utility (which would have driven down prices), and quite possibly their own ISP.

Johnson's only foray into environmentalism was naming an already underway bike hire scheme after himself. All the bike lanes we have now were planned before his time. His popularity (certainly more outside London than within) is down to a media profile nursed along by a compliant press. What did he achieve as mayor?

It's too early to judge Khan's mayoralty, but on the positive side he's extending the congestion zone to battle pollution, and making social housing a priority. Crime has gone up in London, however that is as a result of police cuts due to austerity.

keith1879 · Post by **keith1879** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:33 pm

Bacchus wrote:There is literally nothing that qualifies him for high office. He has a track record of failure and waste as Mayor of London, was an abomination as Foreign Secretary (given that his role was as a diplomat and ambassador for the country he ended up just offending people wherever he went and being respected by nobody.) He has no conviction to any cause beyond the advancement of himself (remember the two different articles he wrote on Brexit before deciding which campaign would serve his ambitions best.) He is a demonstrable, compulsive liar. He headed up a campaign that has been proven to be unlawful and was subsequently referred to the police. He regularly seeks to be controversial to get attention regardless of the effect on anybody else. He is widely despised across the country and even within his own party.

I guess on the one hand you could argue that he is over-qualified to be a senior politician, but I think he's gone way past the point where the Tory party could seriously put him forward as a potential PM. Thankfully.

Excellent post ....my dislike of him is also based on the similarity with Nigel Farage ....both men with substantial wealth (compared to most of the population) who manage to portray themselves as men of the people. (Farage clutching a pint etc etc)

mkmel · Post by **mkmel** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:43 pm

keith1879 wrote:Excellent post ....my dislike of him is also based on the similarity with Nigel Farage ....both men with substantial wealth (compared to most of the population) who manage to portray themselves as men of the people. (Farage clutching a pint etc etc)

I have forgotten his name but who was the little bald headed guy who was the Tory leader who once wore a baseball cap back to front and bragged of drinking 10 pints a night

He was one of us
Yeah right