Yorks v Lancs

Dum Spiro Spero · Post by **Dum Spiro Spero** » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:09 pm

81/4. Livingstone just clean bowled by Jack Brooks.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:09 pm

Might have half a chance of posting 400 in the lower division.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:16 pm

Game over me thinks

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:18 pm

Vilas gone definitely game over!

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:38 pm

105/7 Shocking

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:39 pm

101/7 .... need something extraordinary now !!

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:51 pm

109/7 Close

Claretincraven · Post by **Claretincraven** » Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:06 pm

109-7 at close. Still 121 required

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:16 pm

Whatever the result and the final league standings, it’s a **** season for both sides of the hill.

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:45 pm

Still debating whether to go tomorrow after a depressing day at Dirty Leeds today.

Are we going to make 121 with 3 wickets left?

Still today was worth it after winding up many, many Yorkshire members.

CleggHall · Post by **CleggHall** » Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:46 pm

Agreed - Cricket requires batsmen to put scores on the board and create "scoreboard pressure". Neither Lancs nor Yorks have got any decent batsmen to cope with County Championship Division 1 cricket in admittedly bowler-friendly conditions. For that matter, neither have many other counties.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:23 pm

tybfc wrote:Still debating whether to go tomorrow after a depressing day at Dirty Leeds today.

Are we going to make 121 with 3 wickets left?

Still today was worth it after winding up many, many Yorkshire members.

I think it’s pretty clear who had the last laugh.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:29 pm

Another fine mess Lancs are in,oh! well at least there is the T 20 finals day to look forward to.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:39 pm

Other than kudos, are there any actual benefits of being in the 1st Division as opposed to the 2nd?

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:15 pm

Leisure wrote:Other than kudos, are there any actual benefits of being in the 1st Division as opposed to the 2nd?

Go back to old days of the Schweppes county championship with 17 counties, no one would probably notice. As a kid growing Lancs and Yorks were usually in the bottom 8.

bedfords · Post by **bedfords** » Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:19 pm

Speaks volumes when someone gauges their day on being an annoying ****. Sad really but I guess you can't have winners without complete losers.

Match certainly not over but dcwat has nailed it that both counties have been embarrassing although you guys have every chance of winning the T20.

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:46 pm

Although Lancs & Yorks are both battling relegation; in the just ended test match, both counties had 3 players each in the England team (albeit Rashid doesn't turn out for Yorkies nowadays in the 4 day format) - Jimmy, Butler, Jennings, Root, Bairstow, Rashid.
The other 5 players in the 11 were one each from Essex, Worcs, Durham, Surrey, Notts.
Good for England that the northern counties (Incl Durham where Jennings was previously involved) are contributing more than a fair share but obviously a fairly big miss by those counties for most of the summer.
Still- both Lancs & Yorks have very strong club set-ups with big player bases & should be doing better.

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:26 am

bedfords wrote:Speaks volumes when someone gauges their day on being an annoying ****. Sad really but I guess you can't have winners without complete losers.

Match certainly not over but dcwat has nailed it that both counties have been embarrassing although you guys have every chance of winning the T20.

At least it worked deep into September.

DAVETHEVICAR · Post by **DAVETHEVICAR** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:55 am

Lancashire problem is the squad is completely unbalanced.
Too many spin bowlers and not enough decent batsmen.
They need to clear out some spin bowlers from the following:-
Maharaj , Parry, Kerrigan, Lilley,Croft, Parkinson,Livingston and replace
their salaries with some more top order batsmen.
Obviously some bowlers listed are key players ie Livingston but several could be moved on.
Several top order batsmen like Brown and Croft have been at club years and have poor
records at the 4 day game

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:57 am

DAVETHEVICAR wrote:Lancashire problem is the squad is completely unbalanced.
Too many spin bowlers and not enough decent batsmen.
They need to clear out some spin bowlers from the following:-
Maharaj , Parry, Kerrigan, Lilley,Croft, Parkinson,Livingston and replace
their salaries with some more top order batsmen.
Obviously some bowlers listed are key players ie Livingston but several could be moved on.
Several top order batsmen like Brown and Croft have been at club years and have poor
records at the 4 day game

Cull time agreed Dave.

Of your list Parry, Kerrigan, CROFT and Brown could all go for me to be replaced by Dipsy, Laa-Laa, Po and Tinky Winky who couldn't do any worse.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:00 am

Croft has robbed a living for years and Lamb is another who 1st 11 cricket looks beyond.

When you look at the bowling figures for the season it's a joke they are anywhere near relegation. Still the club has put some good concerts on which seems their main focus lately.

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:17 am

They have the most bowling points in the Championship so it really is the batting part that needs looking at and also is Chapple up to it?

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:26 am

LeadBelly wrote:Although Lancs & Yorks are both battling relegation; in the just ended test match, both counties had 3 players each in the England team (albeit Rashid doesn't turn out for Yorkies nowadays in the 4 day format) - Jimmy, Butler, Jennings, Root, Bairstow, Rashid.
The other 5 players in the 11 were one each from Essex, Worcs, Durham, Surrey, Notts.

One important difference. Of the 3 Yorkshiremen in the test squad, all 3 came through Yorkshire's youth set up. Of the 3 Lancashire players in the squad, 1 came through the youth set up.

Yorkshire are far from perfect and the conveyor belt seems to have dried up a bit recently, which appears to have coincided with a clear out in some of the junior coaching staff, but at least they've generally focused over the last decade in bringing through home grown talent and topping up with really good signings from around the county circuit. Lancashire appear to have adopted a policy for years now of papering over some shortcomings in their player development by bussing in Kolpacks and pretty average players from the county circuit. I'm hoping a couple of the signings Yorkshire have recently announced don't herald the beginnings of a similar policy at Yorkshire.

Whichever of the two stays up, it looks like a stay of execution rather than a watershed.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:03 am

I’m not sure Lancashire have any sense of direction. This is over a number of years from the very bottom to the very top.
Fortunately they are very good at the T20 game. Their record will be right up there I would have thought over the relative number of years it’s being played.
In the longer form they’ve struggled to bring anyone of note through. Plenty of ‘bits and pieces’ cricketers but not a lot else.Certainly on the batting front. Habeeb was the big hope but I would guess he’ll be given the first few games of next season to score some runs, if he doesn’t he’ll be out.
This of course has led to them looking to bring in players from outside.

Yorkshire on the other hand have brought through plenty of very good cricketers. I’m not sure why they have performed as much over the last couple of years, as I’ve said before something doesn’t seem right behind the scenes which seems to stem from Rashid refusing to play in the title decider.
However Yorkshire look to have some good players not performing while Lancashire look to have a lot of average players probably doing less than expected in the 4 day game.
Yorks have obviously thrown money at the T20 set up without much success, it’s clear that’s the one the people in charge want as much as they like to deny it.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:08 am

Lancashire have got a shocking relationship with local leagues whereas Yorkshire have got the pathway system.
You only have to look at the recent signing of Gleeson who played at Blackpool and worked for the LCB. It cost a large compensation package to bring him in.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:21 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:Lancashire have got a shocking relationship with local leagues whereas Yorkshire have got the pathway system.
You only have to look at the recent signing of Gleeson who played at Blackpool and worked for the LCB. It cost a large compensation package to bring him in.

Absolutely. I believe it’s been very much a case of who you know rather than being selected because you are good enough.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:40 am

It's been obvious for years that a big clear-out and re-think has been needed at Old Trafford. Too many under-qualified ex-players involved with coaching and management, whereas it's obvious that a Jason Gillespie type and high quality international batting and bowling coaches are required.
(In fairness bowling has been good this year).

bedfords · Post by **bedfords** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:06 am

Don't think any Yorkshire fans wouldn't want to win the T20 but I wouldn't swap it for any of our championships. I believe I'm being honest with that although not making finals days probably helps with the opinion

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:11 am

Down.......

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:15 am

Another abject batting display

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:16 am

All over 134 all out ! The predicted collapse did come, just the wrong innings !

Time for a root and branch reform of LCC, from management, coaches, playing staff and particularly, it's relationships with Clubs & grass roots cricket ... starting with Allott ..

bedfords · Post by **bedfords** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:19 am

I wonder whether pipsqueak had even parked his car.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:19 am

Decent knock by extras to get us less than 100 off the huge target set.

DBSport · Post by **DBSport** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:22 am

That's a hugely disappointing result considering how well we started.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:04 pm

bedfords wrote:Don't think any Yorkshire fans wouldn't want to win the T20 but I wouldn't swap it for any of our championships. I believe I'm being honest with that although not making finals days probably helps with the opinion

Fans maybe, certainly some but with the players the people in charge have signed it’s difficult to argue they want it.
That’s not to say there is not a focus on the Championship, at Yorkshire anyway. At Lancs who knows.

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:02 pm

"At Lancs who knows."

Nobody.

bedfords · Post by **bedfords** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:10 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Fans maybe, certainly some but with the players the people in charge have signed it’s difficult to argue they want it.
That’s not to say there is not a focus on the Championship, at Yorkshire anyway. At Lancs who knows.

Obviously there are huge commercial benefits but which players are you thinking of? Willey came as long term replacement for Sidebottom, Kohler-Cadmore was always a prospect for both forms. Am I missing obvious ones?
Edit...they didn't even bother replacing Stanlake who was supposed to come for the T20s.

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:33 pm

The income from international cricket, the hotel and the point on United match days and pop concerts will remain unaffected by relegation. Drove past earlier in the season, the car park was packed and there was a 4 day game on with no one watching.

The "county" seemed to be drifting away from grassroots and its traditional membership. Some of the recruitment has be questioned as does academy set up.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:59 pm

bedfords wrote:Obviously there are huge commercial benefits but which players are you thinking of? Willey came as long term replacement for Sidebottom, Kohler-Cadmore was always a prospect for both forms. Am I missing obvious ones?
Edit...they didn't even bother replacing Stanlake who was supposed to come for the T20s.

Willey and Cadmore both made their reputations in the T20 blasts. A few decent runs of form in the longer game here and there but both predominantly one day players.
They’ve also signed some very good overseas players and those players don’t come cheap.
Finch a few times - T20 specialist
Maxwell a few times - T20 specialist
Marsh - stronger at T20.
You could even add Ahmed to that list.
Then you’ve got the white ball only contract handed out to Rashid, Willey talking about signing the same contract next year.

That’s a lot pointing towards the T20 for me.

Why they haven’t had the success I’m not sure.
They’ve certainly got a better squad than Lancs in “cricketing” terms and have done for quite a while.

bedfords · Post by **bedfords** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:27 pm

You're using the Rashid situation to insinuate a boardroom strategy to focus on T20. Not your cleverest comment.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:30 pm

Well they agreed the contract didn’t they?

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:32 pm

bedfords wrote:You're using the Rashid situation to insinuate a boardroom strategy to focus on T20. Not your cleverest comment.

bedfords · Post by **bedfords** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:40 pm

tybfc wrote:

Really glad you enjoyed your visit to Headingley, Tony. Maybe try the creche when you next visit.

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:43 pm

bedfords wrote:Really glad you enjoyed your visit to Headingley, Tony. Maybe try the creche when you next visit.

I often read the comments Tony aims towards Yorkshire CC and its only banter, you seem to get very upset by it.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:45 pm

Burnley1989 wrote:I often read the comments Tony aims towards Yorkshire CC and its only banter, you seem to get very upset by it.

That's why he is able to recommend the creche

bedfords · Post by **bedfords** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:48 pm

I can take banter, just embarrassed for him after his comments yesterday. I suppose mental health issues do take their toll.

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:50 pm

bedfords wrote:Really glad you enjoyed your visit to Headingley, Tony. Maybe try the creche when you next visit.

Didn't go today and the train was cancelled anyway as was our batting performance.

I will look forward to FINALS DAY on Saturday.

It's that thing they have every year in Birmingham starting at 11am.

Total sell out and everybody has a really good time.

You can sit at home and watch it, perhaps invite Joe (Root) Adam (Lyth) Gary (Ballance) Tim (Bresnan) Johnny (Bairstow) and I could continue but wouldn't want to bore my creche with the failures of Yorks T20 from this season.

bedfords · Post by **bedfords** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:53 pm

Ok great well done. Enjoy the division two banter train mate.

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:53 pm

bedfords wrote:I can take banter, just embarrassed for him after his comments yesterday. I suppose mental health issues do take their toll.

I suppose mental health issues do take their toll - Stay Classy

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:07 pm

They need to get back to 4-4-2 as soon as possible.