Has Dyche Burned Out

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:44 pm

Spijed wrote:We've scored more goals than half the teams in the PL.

Edit it's actually 9 teams. But only 7 sides have conceded less.

So for all this 'dire' football we are still doing fine.

You can use stats to twist things anyway you like. How about the fact that we haven't played any of the top 5 yet, and We've had quite an easy run of games to start? If we don't drastically improve We will get some absolute hammerings in our next 4 games.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:51 pm

jrgbfc wrote:You can use stats to twist things anyway you like. How about the fact that we haven't played any of the top 5 yet, and We've had quite an easy run of games to start? If we don't drastically improve We will get some absolute hammerings in our next 4 games.

What do you consider to be hammerings and by how many?

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:09 pm

Spijed wrote:What do you consider to be hammerings and by how many?

It depends, Wolves only beat us 1 nil but I'd class it as a hammering simply because it was so one sided and we could have had no complaints had they done us 4 or 5. The game at City could be frightening if we play as we have done against Cardiff and Huddersfield.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Mon Oct 08, 2018 7:40 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:so rather than having the intelligence to respond with the reasons you disagree with my points you turn to personal abuse, whoops

Nothing personal about it.

Will he get another job in the PL?

Of course he will, he's proven he can do three things -

Get promoted into the PL.
Avoid relegation for more than one season.
Get a club into the Europa league.

That's more than many managers do, so when he's ready to move on he will certainly find another job, especially when you see some of the dross on the managerial merry-go-round that keep getting employed.

He's also shown that he can provide long term stability, he's the 2nd longest serving manager in the PL, behind Howe.

So yeah I thought you were being a drama queen with your statement because you were wrong and clearly being overly dramatic after another game where we hadn't played that well.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Mon Oct 08, 2018 7:47 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Nothing personal about it.

Will he get another job in the PL?

Of course he will, he's proven he can do three things -

Get promoted into the PL.
Avoid relegation for more than one season.
Get a club into the Europa league.

That's more than many managers do, so when he's ready to move on he will certainly find another job, especially when you see some of the dross on the managerial merry-go-round that keep getting employed.

He's also shown that he can provide long term stability, he's the 2nd longest serving manager in the PL, behind Howe.

So yeah I thought you were being a drama queen with your statement because you were wrong and clearly being overly dramatic after another game where we hadn't played that well.

Why has no one else come in for him yet then? Plenty of jobs have come up and no one has shown any interest. I don't think Dyche fits the profile of what Premiership clubs are looking for these days, especially the one's with foreign owners, which is nearly all of them.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Oct 08, 2018 7:51 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Nothing personal about it.

Will he get another job in the PL?

Of course he will, he's proven he can do three things -

Get promoted into the PL.
Avoid relegation for more than one season.
Get a club into the Europa league.

That's more than many managers do, so when he's ready to move on he will certainly find another job, especially when you see some of the dross on the managerial merry-go-round that keep getting employed.

He's also shown that he can provide long term stability, he's the 2nd longest serving manager in the PL, behind Howe.

So yeah I thought you were being a drama queen with your statement because you were wrong and clearly being overly dramatic after another game where we hadn't played that well.

well so far nobody else has fancied those traits you say he has. Time will tell but the PL has dramatically moved on over the last 12 months with much more "football on the deck" sides with pace - not in anyway saying Dyche's way doesn't work as he's proved it does - but there's zero chance he will get a job at any of the top 8 or 9 teams (top 6 plus Everton, Leicester etc) because of the way he has us playing

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Mon Oct 08, 2018 7:52 pm

jrgbfc wrote:Why has no one else come in for him yet then? Plenty of jobs have come up and no one has shown any interest. I don't think Dyche fits the profile of what Premiership clubs are looking for these days, especially the one's with foreign owners, which is nearly all of them.

How do you know they haven't looked at him and considered him?
You should ask the same of Eddie Howe.

Quite simply, you don't know.

Dyche has only just shown he can get a club up and stay up.
He's still relatively new to this job in footballing terms, he hasn't had a chance to build a rep like that of Pulis or Big Sam.
Other clubs will still be wary about giving him a chance to save them from relegation or to take them to the next step.

You also don't know if it's general knowledge within the game that he doesn't want to move on yet, maybe it is.

If we are still up here for the next couple of years and doing alright, with a different style of football then I'd expect clubs to be sniffing around him.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Mon Oct 08, 2018 7:56 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:well so far nobody else has fancied those traits you say he has. Time will tell but the PL has dramatically moved on over the last 12 months with much more "football on the deck" sides with pace - not in anyway saying Dyche's way doesn't work as he's proved it does - but there's zero chance he will get a job at any of the top 8 or 9 teams (top 6 plus Everton, Leicester etc) because of the way he has us playing

As I've just said to someone else, he's still relatively new to this lark, so clubs will be wary and are probably watching how he evolves as a manager.
As it stands clubs usually want someone to save them from impending relegation, or to get them promoted.

Leicester and Watford appear to be cycling through managers on an almost annual basis.
The top 6 can be ruled out.

Everton want to be the top 6 so they'll always be looking for someone more exotic.
Several other clubs are basket cases, like West Ham.

Right now we are his best option to develop as a manager.
There are numerous clubs in the championship who us fans would say are a more attractive proposition, Villa or Derby for example, but a manager may look at them and decide against it.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:31 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:How do you know they haven't looked at him and considered him?
You should ask the same of Eddie Howe.

Quite simply, you don't know.

Dyche has only just shown he can get a club up and stay up.
He's still relatively new to this job in footballing terms, he hasn't had a chance to build a rep like that of Pulis or Big Sam.
Other clubs will still be wary about giving him a chance to save them from relegation or to take them to the next step.

You also don't know if it's general knowledge within the game that he doesn't want to move on yet, maybe it is.

If we are still up here for the next couple of years and doing alright, with a different style of football then I'd expect clubs to be sniffing around him.

I'd say his refusal to sign more than a rolling contract for so long would suggest he fancied his chances of moving on.

JinkingJames · Post by **JinkingJames** » Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:44 pm

Anyone who thinks Dyche has burned out cannot remember being beaten by Scarborough on a rainy night in the 80s in front of 3000 fans with that smug manager of there's. We have had the longest sustained success in 50 years. Sean Dyche could be at Burnley for another 5 years at least.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:47 pm

jrgbfc wrote:I'd say his refusal to sign more than a rolling contract for so long would suggest he fancied his chances of moving on.

He's not the only manager to have been on a rolling contract.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:57 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:As I've just said to someone else, he's still relatively new to this lark, so clubs will be wary and are probably watching how he evolves as a manager.
As it stands clubs usually want someone to save them from impending relegation, or to get them promoted.

Leicester and Watford appear to be cycling through managers on an almost annual basis.
The top 6 can be ruled out.

Everton want to be the top 6 so they'll always be looking for someone more exotic.
Several other clubs are basket cases, like West Ham.

Right now we are his best option to develop as a manager.
There are numerous clubs in the championship who us fans would say are a more attractive proposition, Villa or Derby for example, but a manager may look at them and decide against it.

wouldn't disagree with any of that - see how much better it is when you actually enter into a debate !

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:16 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:wouldn't disagree with any of that - see how much better it is when you actually enter into a debate !

I still think you were being a drama queen

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:21 pm

Maybe he's a bit ill with the weather. I've been ill for a month, this autumn and I don't know what. He is human, not just on TV.

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:20 am

Some people say a team reflects the personality/demeanour of their manager

Jose M = Utd are for the most time dogged, boring, defensive

Eddie H - Bournemouth are open/attacking style, attractive to watch, based on pace, but yes, can shed the odd 4 goals as at the turf

Pretty much since last Jan onwards when we started this poor run (yes it included 5 wins but overall it has been a poor run) SD has looked a bit flat in his demeanour and style of play

The loss of Brady and Defour hasn't helped but it cannot be seen as the only excuse. Having little possession and very poor stats in passing accuracy are not just down to the loss of these two, and only heaps more pressure on us during games. But SD seems to have gone backwards in term of tactical nous reverting to long balls whether we have an isolated one or two up front (Sat was a classic example of where we set up with the midfield protecting the back 4 rather than going up to support the front players)

Our transfer activity in the summer was well short of expectations with his chase for Jay Rod and Dawson being a real distraction to finding cover in the key area of midfield which is plainly where we are well short of players who can physically win the key battles

I look at our bench and see little or no alternatives to changing this current style of (quite frankly) ugly football

Hoping we can keep out of trouble until Jan when maybe we can see some much needed refreshing additions to the squad which, in turn, may bring about a change in formation/style

bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:08 pm

I wouldn't say he has burned out at all - maybe he is suffering a loss of form, which I know can affect managers in all walks of life. Sometimes you just have to tough it out and hope you are still in your job by the time you find your inner self again.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:01 am

JinkingJames wrote:Anyone who thinks Dyche has burned out cannot remember being beaten by Scarborough on a rainy night in the 80s in front of 3000 fans with that smug manager of there's. We have had the longest sustained success in 50 years. Sean Dyche could be at Burnley for another 5 years at least.

Not sure that a game against Sarborough in the 80s has anything to do with Dyche being burned out or not. Just not relevant.

HiroshimaClaret · Post by **HiroshimaClaret** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:09 am

houseboy wrote:ot sure that a game against Sarborough in the 80s has anything to do with Dyche being burned out or not. Just not relevant.

As Meatloaf once so eloquently sang, houseboy, "you took the words right out of my mouth". That`s relevance.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:50 am

HiroshimaClaret wrote:As Meatloaf once so eloquently sang, houseboy, "you took the words right out of my mouth".

It must've been while you were kissing him.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:51 am

Tall Paul wrote:It must've been while you were kissing him.

HiroshimaClaret · Post by **HiroshimaClaret** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:08 am

Tall Paul wrote:It must've been while you were kissing him.

We`ve only swapped the metaphorical spit on t`internet

The Enclosure · Post by **The Enclosure** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:41 am

Anyone think his right hand man Woan could be the problem?

HiroshimaClaret · Post by **HiroshimaClaret** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:45 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:

I would do anything for love, but I won`t do that!

HiroshimaClaret · Post by **HiroshimaClaret** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:46 am

The Enclosure wrote:Anyone think his right hand man Woan could be the problem?

Are you suggesting that the left-hand doesn`t know what the right hand is doing????

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:52 am

Being burnt out and needing to be more flexible in approach, selections and tactics are quite different. There's no way Dyche is 'burnt out'. He does need to think about change. Just as an aside a salesman doesn't get retained based on former glories and results as he needs to keep delivering. The same with many roles. Football is now a multi million pound business and whilst we shouldn't lose sight of the game at Scarborough etc we've moved on and a lot of the romance and sentiment has been replaced with money. We are a PL club and shouldn't rest on our laurels.

HiroshimaClaret · Post by **HiroshimaClaret** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:10 am

Blackrod wrote:Being burnt out and needing to be more flexible in approach, selections and tactics are quite different. There's no way Dyche is 'burnt out'. He does need to think about change. Just as an aside a salesman doesn't get retained based on former glories and results as he needs to keep delivering. The same with many roles. Football is now a multi million pound business and whilst we shouldn't lose sight of the game at Scarborough etc we've moved on and a lot of the romance and sentiment has been replaced with money. We are a PL club and shouldn't rest on our laurels.

Any reasoned mind should find it hard to argue with that summary.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:22 pm

HiroshimaClaret wrote:We`ve only swapped the metaphorical spit on t`internet

Shh! Don't let on mate, these long distance love affairs never work anyway.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:37 pm

Blackrod wrote:Being burnt out and needing to be more flexible in approach, selections and tactics are quite different. There's no way Dyche is 'burnt out'. He does need to think about change. Just as an aside a salesman doesn't get retained based on former glories and results as he needs to keep delivering. The same with many roles. Football is now a multi million pound business and whilst we shouldn't lose sight of the game at Scarborough etc we've moved on and a lot of the romance and sentiment has been replaced with money. We are a PL club and shouldn't rest on our laurels.

There are many reasons to like this post. I've worked in performance related pay for 30 years and in my game you are only as good as your last month. I don't care for sales cliches and the like but one that I do subscribe to is 'if you keep doing what you are doing, and saying what you are saying you will keep getting the same results'. Dyche has been doing the same thing and saying the same mantras for a long while now and, although I don't want him out, he does need to change the way he does things before A: we get deeply involved in a relegation fight and/or B:the fans abandon him and indeed the games due to, as is generally agreed, some pretty awful stuff being served up. None of us has any answers and the only one who can change it really (with the help of the board come transfer time) is Dyche himself. I still have the faith in him but anyone can only live on past glories for so long.

As far as any references to the past and the dark days all I can say is things change and with them so do aspirations. Constantly harping on about how we should be grateful because of where we were in the past is like me saying I should be grateful that a live in a nice house in a nice area after being dragged up on a council estate - I worked hard to get away from that and I'm not grateful because no-one gave it to me. As I have stated previously Burnley FC are not defined by the dark days of the eighties because our history tells a whole different story and that period was just a blip. Some fear that they might return and of course they could but history suggests that they won't.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:50 pm

Unfortunately, finishing 7th raised expectations to unrealistic levels. That's a big problem!

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:07 pm

But this season so far has been poor, let's face facts and we have played nothing yet. Wait until Xmas when we have played all 19 and let's see what we can do to fix matters then with some new blood-but it won't be easy if we need to fix matters as I fear we will or suffer the consequences.
Currently we are not punching above our weight, had we been like last season we would have had an extra 6-8 points IMO

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:19 pm

Spijed wrote:Unfortunately, finishing 7th raised expectations to unrealistic levels. That's a big problem!

Finishing 7th has got nothing to do with it
Being outplayed by Huddersfield, Fulham, Wolves and Cardiff , plus certain players not giving a toss has got everything to do with it .

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:22 pm

houseboy wrote:There are many reasons to like this post. I've worked in performance related pay for 30 years and in my game you are only as good as your last month. I don't care for sales cliches and the like but one that I do subscribe to is 'if you keep doing what you are doing, and saying what you are saying you will keep getting the same results'. Dyche has been doing the same thing and saying the same mantras for a long while now and, although I don't want him out, he does need to change the way he does things before A: we get deeply involved in a relegation fight and/or B:the fans abandon him and indeed the games due to, as is generally agreed, some pretty awful stuff being served up. None of us has any answers and the only one who can change it really (with the help of the board come transfer time) is Dyche himself. I still have the faith in him but anyone can only live on past glories for so long.

As far as any references to the past and the dark days all I can say is things change and with them so do aspirations. Constantly harping on about how we should be grateful because of where we were in the past is like me saying I should be grateful that a live in a nice house in a nice area after being dragged up on a council estate - I worked hard to get away from that and I'm not grateful because no-one gave it to me. As I have stated previously Burnley FC are not defined by the dark days of the eighties because our history tells a whole different story and that period was just a blip. Some fear that they might return and of course they could but history suggests that they won't.

Thing is the houseboy we are not in "sales" are we ?....and neither are we necessarily in a business where "you are only as good as your last month".

We could be a club like Watford who sack their managers after 6 or 7 bad results and then have to pay up his 3 year contract.

History is important....i`m not saying going back 10 years...i mean the history of what SD has done. It means that their is a mutual respect between the board, players and manager. It means that their is a track record of staying loyal to the manager during bad periods has led to eventually turning this round and enjoying good periods.

Of course this is no guarantee to future success but that is our current approach and for the last 5 years it has worked very well.

This messageboard is like groundhog day...we go through bad spells and SD gets criticised for his style of football, his lack of a Plan B, his selections etc and then we go through a good spell and the same old posters seem to think that SD was reading the board and took their advice !!

The truth of it is that the situation at a club like ours is always one of fine margins...when we are on the right side things look far rosier than they actually are - players who cost half a million over performing ; no injuries ; goalkeepers making world class saves every week and other teams not playing to their full ability.
Reverse some or all of that and we are on the wrong side of the line and we struggle.

The reality still remains that most weeks we are underdogs and sooner or later our luck will run out and we will be relegated. That is going to happen 100% and I will wager that with anyone.

The choice then becomes do you whinge and cry about and pretend you have the answers or do you try and enjoy it for what it is and the fact that we have had a great period in our history and that even if we are relegated the club is in a far better place having had SD as our manager.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:37 pm

TVC15 wrote:Thing is the houseboy we are not in "sales" are we ?....and neither are we necessarily in a business where "you are only as good as your last month".

We could be a club like Watford who sack their managers after 6 or 7 bad results and then have to pay up his 3 year contract.

History is important....i`m not saying going back 10 years...i mean the history of what SD has done. It means that their is a mutual respect between the board, players and manager. It means that their is a track record of staying loyal to the manager during bad periods has led to eventually turning this round and enjoying good periods.

Of course this is no guarantee to future success but that is our current approach and for the last 5 years it has worked very well.

This messageboard is like groundhog day...we go through bad spells and SD gets criticised for his style of football, his lack of a Plan B, his selections etc and then we go through a good spell and the same old posters seem to think that SD was reading the board and took their advice !!

The truth of it is that the situation at a club like ours is always one of fine margins...when we are on the right side things look far rosier than they actually are - players who cost half a million over performing ; no injuries ; goalkeepers making world class saves every week and other teams not playing to their full ability.
Reverse some or all of that and we are on the wrong side of the line and we struggle.

The reality still remains that most weeks we are underdogs and sooner or later our luck will run out and we will be relegated. That is going to happen 100% and I will wager that with anyone.

The choice then becomes do you whinge and cry about and pretend you have the answers or do you try and enjoy it for what it is and the fact that we have had a great period in our history and that even if we are relegated the club is in a far better place having had SD as our manager.

I agree with most of that mate. My 'sales' analogy was really just in response to the post I was answering and I would agree 100% that we are in a different industry. As far as the relegation goes who knows? Historically we are a top tier side but then in recent years things have changed but given enough decent finishes and the money that brings who knows? I don't necesarilly agree with you about the inevitable relegation but I do understand where you are coming from and you may well be right, who knows? And as I have stated all along, despite the fact that I started this thread out of interest (and opened a can of worms it seems) I personally think that Dyche should not leave or be sacked, at least not yet, because he has got so much right in the past and he should be given the chance to get us back on track. The only problem is, as has been rightly pointed out many times, this isn't a recent loss of form, it has gone on for a long time now, far longer than is comfortable. On the plus side the loss of form seems to coincide pretty much with the loss of Defour and Brady and there is some optimism there with regard to their return. Some have said that two players cannot make that much difference but I would disagree. Even one player can make a world of difference, Barcelona have been pretty magnificent for years now but how much less so would they have been without Messi? Not that I'm comparing Defour to Messi obviously but you get my drift. Brady and Defour's return won't just mean those two players are back in the side, it would mean that the others may find a new confidence and the team might find a different way of playing that suits, for instance, Wood, who is like a fish out of water with our current style of play. It might mean that Cork, who has been a shadow of himself so far, may get to link up with Defour and get his sparkle back, so those two returning could and maybe would lift the whole team.

Despite me asking the question in the OP I am actually quietly confident of us being more than okay but it does need to start soon before we start to struggle and the confidence really starts to fall.
Failure is a vicious circle in any walk of life and if we start to look like relegation candidates we could wind up becoming just that - attendances falling - failing confidence by the players - failure to invest by the board because of the fear of Championship football - even Dyche losing his confidence (hard to imagine but possible with anyone).
Hopefully it won't come to that but we have to be mindful of its possibility and guard against it.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:39 pm

If we look at the last 50 years we have spent more time outside of the top tier than in it I am guessing.
If we look at the time since the Premier League started - and I know football existed before that but the point is that its from this point that the gaps between the rich and the poor clubs started to increase to the widest they have ever been. Out of the 28 seasons we have spent how many in the top flight ? 5 ?

If you look the teams in the Premier League then outside what you regard as the "big 7" only Everton have not been relegated in the years of the Premier League and there are many clubs sat in the Championship and lower leagues who have spent more years in the Premier League than Burnley.

All that points to it being pretty inevitable to me that we will be relegated at some point - 3 teams have to go down every year....does not mean it will be us this year though as I do think that there are 3 worse sides than us if we can get back to playing more like we can and like you say get Defour and Brady back....but after the next 4 games I can see us being in the bottom 3 or 4 clubs and still on single figure points in mid November.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:36 pm

joey13 wrote:Finishing 7th has got nothing to do with it
Being outplayed by Huddersfield, Fulham, Wolves and Cardiff , plus certain players not giving a toss has got everything to do with it .

Strange that we're currently above 3 of the teams mentioned above then.

Which players don't give a toss then Joey,i'd guess one is Ben Mee.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:54 am

tiger76 wrote:Strange that we're currently above 3 of the teams mentioned above then.

Which players don't give a toss then Joey,i'd guess one is Ben Mee.

Yes he’s one , Wood another, and Barnes plus a few others

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:14 am

It can't be helping that, for various reasons our 5 most expensive signings (approx. £60m) are not regularly starting.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:45 am

Ben Mee is not having his best season everyone would agree. But to say he does not give a toss is embarrassingly pathetic to be honest.

You would not want to be in the trenches with some of the posters on this board would you ? You’d be stabbed in the back by your own before any of the enemy got near you !

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:50 am

joey13 wrote:Yes he’s one , Wood another, and Barnes plus a few others

Funny that, but I could have sworn that Barnes seemed quite pleased that he'd scored against Bournemouth. He certainly looked like he cared!

Likewise Wood when he scored against Aberdeen, for example.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:58 am

To say that any of our players don't give a toss is absolute nonsense. Embarrassing, pathetic drivel.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:53 pm

Spijed wrote:Funny that, but I could have sworn that Barnes seemed quite pleased that he'd scored against Bournemouth. He certainly looked like he cared!

Likewise Wood when he scored against Aberdeen, for example.

What happened Saturday then ?

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:55 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:To say that any of our players don't give a toss is absolute nonsense. Embarrassing, pathetic drivel.

Not as embarrassing as the players performance against Fulham,Cardiff, Wolves and Huddersfield though

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:56 pm

joey13 wrote:What happened Saturday then ?

We drew.

All the info is here if it helps.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/sc ... 2018-10-06" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:59 pm

Spijed wrote:We drew.

All the info is here if it helps.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/sc ... 2018-10-06" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Fulham?

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:02 pm

joey13 wrote:Fulham?

We lost.

Results are here if you can't find them:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/pr ... es/2018-08" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:22 pm

Spijed wrote:We lost.

Results are here if you can't find them:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/pr ... es/2018-08" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Try reading match reports because you obviously don’t go , otherwise you would see the lack of effort

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:34 pm

joey13 wrote:Try reading match reports because you obviously don’t go , otherwise you would see the lack of effort

If there was a lack of effort how did we win at Cardiff and beat Bournemouth prior to the Huddersfield match?

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:41 pm

Spijed wrote:If there was a lack of effort how did we win at Cardiff and beat Bournemouth prior to the Huddersfield match?

Not sure anybody knows how we won at Cardiff other than we scored two goals and they scored one .