Being in a lower league is much more enjoyable

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:04 pm

houseboy wrote:A. we start trying to actually compete, at least against the teams we could and should be beating.
B. we stop throwing away cup games (including Europe) just to bloody well stay in the PL and play scared football week in week out.

On point A, we do compete, and more, finishing 7th. We are currently mid table and in a better place than so called bigger clubs such as Newcastle or Southampton for example. I'd say we are far stronger than the bottom 3 and far more savvy than a team like Fulham or Brighton.

On B, I totally agree, especially Europe. The chance to get a big European name and a place in the group stages only comes around every few decades for a club like ours. We should have played a stronger side in the first leg in Greece.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:09 pm

LoveCurryPies wrote:Because you are seeing finest footballers in England.

Why would you want to watch anything less? You might as well watch the local pub team.

See my post above. If I wanted to watch opposition players I'd go to City or United or stay at home and watch on the telly. If you would rather watch the opposition's world class players tear us a new one every week you're not much of a Burnley fan are you.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:11 pm

LoveCurryPies wrote:Money that has allowed Turf Moor to be bought back and Gawthorpe facilities to be transformed?

To what end? The training facilites make no odds to me, as nice as they are. It certainly isn't helping us on the pitch at the moment.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:12 pm

houseboy wrote:It's no use carping on about 'the dark days' and then using a comparison. A simple question: would you rather watch your team winning with decent football and actually being entertained or would you rather watch them cowering in defence just to see the 'worlds greatest players' playing for the opposition? If you want the latter go be a neutral at City/Liverpool etc.

If you want the former go be a City/Liverpool fan at City/Liverpool.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:16 pm

Tall Paul wrote:If you want the former go be a City/Liverpool fan at City/Liverpool.

A silly answer Paul, I'm a Burnley fan and go to watch Burnley. My comments were aimed at those who say 'look at all the great players that come here'. I go to watch Burnley, not the opposition.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:18 pm

houseboy wrote:A silly answer Paul, I'm a Burnley fan and go to watch Burnley. My comments were aimed at those who say 'look at all the great players that come here'. I go to watch Burnley, not the opposition.

Only as silly as your suggestion in the post I quoted.

EarbyClaret · Post by **EarbyClaret** » Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:21 pm

Reading some of the posts on here you'd be forgiven for thinking we are unique in having an exceptional PL season followed by one which is panning out to be ordinary by comparison. There's an element of transition about it, we're not playing expansive football but with the occasional exception we're very competitive.

European qualification has proved problematic because we didn't build a squad of sufficient size and quality to progress to the group stages. Equally we could have spent more and still failed to progress which would have left us with arguably more difficult problems to overcome.

The best chance of long term progress is to stay where we are. It's not going to be pretty all of the time but the same can be said for 12/14 other clubs in the top flight. If we went down, if we came back, the same cycle would repeat itself.

The longer we are out of the Championship the better quality league it appears to become. Personally, I'd say relegation equating to a transformation to free flowing attacking football would be a myth. For a whole range of reasons, managerial, player quality, competition levels another immediate return to the PL would be a massive ask compared to last time.

JTClaret · Post by **JTClaret** » Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:30 pm

Football fans are so fickle it's ridiculous.

Plenty said this when we were first in the prem, getting beaten every week.
Last year nobody said 'I'd rather us be in a lower league', strange that.

Give me scraping a draw in the prem against Huddersfield then playing against some of the worlds best, over battering Doncaster and getting beaten 1-0 against players I've never heard of and have no reason to want to

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:39 pm

Why don't all these fed up with the Prem and who seem to spend their whole existence crying on here just stop going.

If you hate it, are bored with it or want to be entertained just stop going and go the theatre. You can pretty much bet the ones moaning now have no stomach for anything in the bottom 2 divisions where we recently spent a long period.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:41 pm

JTClaret wrote:Give me scraping a draw in the prem against Huddersfield then playing against some of the worlds best, over battering Doncaster and getting beaten 1-0 against players I've never heard of and have no reason to want to

That's true. How anyone could possibly say the football we played when losing 6-5 away to Grimsby town was in anyway better or more entertaining to watch than a 1-1 draw at home to Huddersfield in the Prem is beyond me.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:47 pm

JimMcDonald wrote:Cheaper. Better away games. More chance of winning something other than settling for survival. Easier to get tickets. Better kick off times. New teams to play. Newer grounds. More passionate fans and it pains me to say it but i miss playing the B@sards and Preston.

The Premierleague is boring. Overhyped and i hate it.

EIEIEIO DOWN THE FOOTBALL LEAGUE WE GO

If I was Sean or one of our players reading these sort of comments I'd be thinking why do I bother! Seems some 'fans' seem happy for us to do badly! Strange!

Brandon · Post by **Brandon** » Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:50 pm

I would hope that most people at BFC would not be happy with playing crap football and just surviving each season. I would hope the aim was for us to play exciting, entertaining football and push for European football each year and I believe that they are working towards that. But it won't happen overnight, last season's 7th place was unexpected and probably a false representation of where we are in the development of the squad. It will take time and we should be patient. Think back over the last 2 seasons and there have been some good times with, hopefully, many more to come.

taio · Post by **taio** » Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:09 pm

The championship is an excellent league. But I wouldn't change being in the premier league. Really enjoy the challenge of us playing against the quality of the opposition. It's obviously enabled us to strengthen the club considerably including significant investment into our long term infrastructure. Personally I thought from 2009 we should be making such commitments and gladly the Board continues to adopt a sensible and balanced financial strategy. I just can't understand how anyone could be so dismissive about the Gawthorpe developments especially when you consider the state of the facilities before.

moaninclaret · Post by **moaninclaret** » Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:09 pm

If we can replicate the form we showed last season then the entertainment will return, we played some good stuff, not every game but most were good, this season we played brilliantly at St Marys but after that we lost our way and our performances havent been entertaining at all, the Bournemouth game was a great 3 points but we were outplayed for large parts of the game, things will improve im sure, i think we can hold our own in this league and would hate to be relegated to lower leagues, i still want to watch some of the worlds best players at Turf Moor and at a reasonable cost, £30 for most away games and less than £400 for a season ticket, thats not bad, long may we remain at top level, these are fantastic times at Burnley so lets milk it while it lasts and lets not go back to the Scunthorpe days.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:28 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Only as silly as your suggestion in the post I quoted.

Not really bud, not really.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:34 pm

houseboy wrote:Not really bud, not really.

Why is it less silly to suggest that, instead of supporting their own team, a Burnley fan go and watch City/Liverpool as a neutral than to suggest they watch City/Liverpool as a fan of one of those teams?

Both suggestions are equally ridiculous.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:36 pm

EarbyClaret wrote:Reading some of the posts on here you'd be forgiven for thinking we are unique in having an exceptional PL season followed by one which is panning out to be ordinary by comparison. There's an element of transition about it, we're not playing expansive football but with the occasional exception we're very competitive.

European qualification has proved problematic because we didn't build a squad of sufficient size and quality to progress to the group stages. Equally we could have spent more and still failed to progress which would have left us with arguably more difficult problems to overcome.

The best chance of long term progress is to stay where we are. It's not going to be pretty all of the time but the same can be said for 12/14 other clubs in the top flight. If we went down, if we came back, the same cycle would repeat itself.

The longer we are out of the Championship the better quality league it appears to become. Personally, I'd say relegation equating to a transformation to free flowing attacking football would be a myth. For a whole range of reasons, managerial, player quality, competition levels another immediate return to the PL would be a massive ask compared to last time.

Good post but tend to disagree about the Europa bit. I think we had the players/squad but Dyche dismissed it.It's great being in the PL if we are enjoying it but the two things that are coming out now is that many people are NOT enjoying it and haven't been for quite some time (not just this season). Okay we finished 7th last time, remarkable achievement, but we did so on the back of a good first half to the season and the fact that others, mainly Everton and Leicester, were too sh!te to take advantage of our poor form since pretty much Christmas. Secondly many, like me, are sick of rolling over in cup games, the one place were we could have some real success, so that PL survival is not risked.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:40 pm

JTClaret wrote:Football fans are so fickle it's ridiculous.

Plenty said this when we were first in the prem, getting beaten every week.
Last year nobody said 'I'd rather us be in a lower league', strange that.

Give me scraping a draw in the prem against Huddersfield then playing against some of the worlds best, over battering Doncaster and getting beaten 1-0 against players I've never heard of and have no reason to want to

It's not the results people are p!ssed off with it's the performances, two different things. It's NOT fickle to expect some entertainment for your money whatever league you are in and many if not most are more interested in seeing Burnley play well, even if they lose, than watching the over-paid prima donnas of other clubs.

Culmclaret · Post by **Culmclaret** » Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:43 pm

Is beer on champagne money better than champagne on beer money?

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:53 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:Why don't all these fed up with the Prem and who seem to spend their whole existence crying on here just stop going.

If you hate it, are bored with it or want to be entertained just stop going and go the theatre. You can pretty much bet the ones moaning now have no stomach for anything in the bottom 2 divisions where we recently spent a long period.

Oh stop it. How do you know who was there in the bad old days and who wasn't? I can't be doing with these holier than thou 'I was there in the 4th division and look what we have now' boasters. I have been there for 50 years and before that as a fan when I was too young to go, but I still retain the right to complain when I am not getting value for money.
The football we are playing is bad and has been for some time.
I don't care about who turns up for the opposition as long as we perform.
I really, really,really don't care how much money we make from the PL, I support a football club, not a bank.
I want us to stay in the PL as long as we can but NOT at the expense of sitting there watching us too scared to venture out of our own half, even against poor teams, which is what is currently happening.
I wouldn't lose a wink of sleep if we got relegated because, contrary to what some think, I think we would do well if, and only if, the directors decided to spend some of that money everyone thinks we have. Having tons of wealth and not using it for improvement on the pitch is no wealth at all, it is just a bunch of money sitting in the bank doing sod all.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:56 pm

Leisure wrote:If I was Sean or one of our players reading these sort of comments I'd be thinking why do I bother! Seems some 'fans' seem happy for us to do badly! Strange!

If I was olne of our players I'd be saying 'why the hell did we bust a gut to finish 7th then get dropped for Europe', that's what I would be asking.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:57 pm

Brandon wrote:I would hope that most people at BFC would not be happy with playing crap football and just surviving each season. I would hope the aim was for us to play exciting, entertaining football and push for European football each year and I believe that they are working towards that. But it won't happen overnight, last season's 7th place was unexpected and probably a false representation of where we are in the development of the squad. It will take time and we should be patient. Think back over the last 2 seasons and there have been some good times with, hopefully, many more to come.

Think back a few weeks and ask yourself why we would want to qualify for Europe.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:05 pm

JimMcDonald wrote:Cheaper. Better away games. More chance of winning something other than settling for survival. Easier to get tickets. Better kick off times. New teams to play. Newer grounds. More passionate fans and it pains me to say it but i miss playing the B@sards and Preston.

The Premierleague is boring. Overhyped and i hate it.

EIEIEIO DOWN THE FOOTBALL LEAGUE WE GO

Can't be bothered reading the thread but for any Burnley fan not to want us to be as good as we can be, not to want us playing in the top league, defies belief.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:12 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Why is it less silly to suggest that, instead of supporting their own team, a Burnley fan go and watch City/Liverpool as a neutral than to suggest they watch City/Liverpool as a fan of one of those teams?

Both suggestions are equally ridiculous.

Let me explain.
A Burnley fan is a Burnley fan - yes?
Fans tend normally to stick to one club - yes?
So why would a Burnley go elsewhere to be a fan - yes?
Now my comment was aimed at those on here, and there are quite a few, who seem to think it is okay watching the team you support play scaredy and sh1te football because (and I quote loosely) 'we are seeing the worlds top players at the Turf'.
My point being that if all you crave is seeing the worlds top players then you can go elsewhere to watch them, or even watch them on the telly.
Being a Burnley fan isn't, or never should be, about watching in awe as we are taken apart by United (as we were this season), it is, or should be, about watching your team give its all, even if they get beaten, regardless of who is playing for the opposition. If it meant getting 3 points I wouldn't give a toss if Mourinho (or anyone else) fielded their reserves against us.
When I watch football on TV I appreciate the great players and love their skills, when I go to watch Burnley I hope half the opposition are out injured or suspended to give us a chance.

That is what I mean.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:17 pm

houseboy wrote:Oh stop it. How do you know who was there in the bad old days and who wasn't? I can't be doing with these holier than thou 'I was there in the 4th division and look what we have now' boasters. I have been there for 50 years and before that as a fan when I was too young to go, but I still retain the right to complain when I am not getting value for money.
The football we are playing is bad and has been for some time.
I don't care about who turns up for the opposition as long as we perform.
I really, really,really don't care how much money we make from the PL, I support a football club, not a bank.
I want us to stay in the PL as long as we can but NOT at the expense of sitting there watching us too scared to venture out of our own half, even against poor teams, which is what is currently happening.
I wouldn't lose a wink of sleep if we got relegated because, contrary to what some think, I think we would do well if, and only if, the directors decided to spend some of that money everyone thinks we have. Having tons of wealth and not using it for improvement on the pitch is no wealth at all, it is just a bunch of money sitting in the bank doing sod all.

That is the point though, if you dislike it, feel ripped off and aren't enjoying it then don't go.I will add if i felt your way I wouldn't go then you don't need to strop more about who was there in the past. You could always comeback when we are playing like Brazil, nobody will judge you for it.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:19 pm

But can't understand those who would rather see us go gung-ho in the lower leagues and be competing with the likes of Rochdale, Crewe etc because it would be more entertaining!

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:24 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Can't be bothered reading the thread but for any Burnley fan not to want us to be as good as we can be, not to want us playing in the top league, defies belief.

With respect Tony if you read the thread you'd see there is more to it than that. We all want to be in the PL but some, me included, are complaining that what we are seeing is not entertaining and hasn't been for some time. Entertainment is more than welcoming great players to Turf Moor and then getting laid out by them. The fact is we are NOT being the best we can, we are struggling in a league that is, at least until something happens about the money side, out of our grasp. Last season was a good season, or rather half season because nearly everything we did was prior to the new year, and no-one wants us to go down. The thread is simply suggesting that if things can't be improved are we better watching Championship football and enjoying the way we play than watching us play boring, scared football whilst 'enjoying' the skills of the opposition.
Here's hoping things improve.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:29 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:That is the point though, if you dislike it, feel ripped off and aren't enjoying it then don't go.I will add if i felt your way I wouldn't go then you don't need to strop more about who was there in the past. You could always comeback when we are playing like Brazil, nobody will judge you for it.

That's the problem mate, I can't just stop because I am a fan, through thick and thin. I moan because I love the club and care. But it does pain me to pay for rubbish. Believe me if I could stop going I wouldn't moan I'd just stop, but I can't, it's called being a football fan.You know what it's like.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:34 pm

houseboy wrote:Let me explain.
A Burnley fan is a Burnley fan - yes?
Fans tend normally to stick to one club - yes?
So why would a Burnley go elsewhere to be a fan - yes?
Now my comment was aimed at those on here, and there are quite a few, who seem to think it is okay watching the team you support play scaredy and sh1te football because (and I quote loosely) 'we are seeing the worlds top players at the Turf'.

I get the explanation, but it doesn't make your suggestion any less ridiculous.

My point being that if all you crave is seeing the worlds top players then you can go elsewhere to watch them, or even watch them on the telly.

And the point of my, equally ridculous, suggestion was that if all you crave is your team playing entertaining football you can change your team to one that does, like Liverpool or Manchester City.

The thing is, it's not a simple as craving one thing or the other so to boil it down the way you have done is ridiculous (feels like I'm using that word too much, but hey ho).

Being a Burnley fan isn't, or never should be, about watching in awe as we are taken apart by United (as we were this season), it is, or should be, about watching your team give its all, even if they get beaten, regardless of who is playing for the opposition. If it meant getting 3 points I wouldn't give a toss if Mourinho (or anyone else) fielded their reserves against us.
When I watch football on TV I appreciate the great players and love their skills, when I go to watch Burnley I hope half the opposition are out injured or suspended to give us a chance.

That is what I mean.

Now this I can agree with. I'm happy that the team is giving their all though. The problem is there are 19 other teams in this league who are also giving their all, the vast majority of which have much bigger budgets and better players than ours. If the best way for us to compete with these teams (and recent history suggests that it is) is to play the defensive, percentage based football that we play (and have always played) under SD, then I'm all for it.

ClaretLoup · Post by **ClaretLoup** » Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:36 pm

If we were in the Championship after two seasons we would be relying mainly on gate money and commercial revenue which would put us at a massive disadvantage versus the many teams in there with rich backers.

Sunderland Hull and Stoke have all struggled lower down and chances are that we would as well, as we did last time until we signed Gray and Barton with PL parachute money.

This season we are just not playing well. Last season we were going away and competing everywhere except for Arsenal.

Some people seem to be suffering from short term memory loss.

Burt · Post by **Burt** » Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:37 pm

Not for the majority of fans Jim, check out the gates

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:43 pm

This league is still very entertaining, in the last 6 years there's been 5 different champions, far better than foreign leagues where it's a one, maybe two horse race.
And while the top 6 are fairly entrenched on a single game week anyone can beat anyone.
Just because we've very little chance of winning it doesn't make it boring.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Wed Oct 17, 2018 4:07 pm

I think the issue for us older fans who have lived to see the good and bad old days only want to see us succeed.
We are sensible enough to get Seans football pragmatism even if at times its frustrating.
We are 12th in the worlds top league and worth £166m
We will have good and bad performances thats how it is
For me its better in the top flight with its highs an lows

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Wed Oct 17, 2018 4:16 pm

No reason whatsoever why we can't have a good go at the cups though. The surrender at Burton was absolutely pathetic.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Wed Oct 17, 2018 4:48 pm

I want us to play in the Premier League.

I have been watching since 1980 I understand the dark days.

I want Sean Dyche as Manager.

I don't want us to play like Brazil or Man City because we cant afford to.

I would like us to play a bit more football with a bit more attacking intent. What is wrong with that ? And with this being our 4th season out of the last five in the Premier League and a European qualification under our belts I believe now we should be.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:36 am

Tall Paul wrote:I get the explanation, but it doesn't make your suggestion any less ridiculous.

And the point of my, equally ridculous, suggestion was that if all you crave is your team playing entertaining football you can change your team to one that does, like Liverpool or Manchester City.

The thing is, it's not a simple as craving one thing or the other so to boil it down the way you have done is ridiculous (feels like I'm using that word too much, but hey ho).

Now this I can agree with. I'm happy that the team is giving their all though. The problem is there are 19 other teams in this league who are also giving their all, the vast majority of which have much bigger budgets and better players than ours. If the best way for us to compete with these teams (and recent history suggests that it is) is to play the defensive, percentage based football that we play (and have always played) under SD, then I'm all for it.

I agree with your last point and to be honest I have never had a problem with defensive football, I loved Italian football in the 60s and 70s even though it was as defensive as it gets and I loved most of last season based on a magnificent defence, I get all that, but this season has been different, it's as though Mee and Tarks etc have somewhow lost interest, I'm sure that's not the case but it is how it appears. There have been times this season when one or two players just don't seem to have been bothered and that is unacceptable.

Anyway it's been an interesting argument but in the end we are all Clarets and we all want (basically) the same thing. As I said previously being a football fan is a lifelong thing and sometimes feels like a curse. One thing I know for sure is no matter what arguments we have on here and how many disagreements we have we will all come together on match day and take our dose of whatever is served up, no matter how much we moan.

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:42 am

Tarks has lost interest? Wow! He single handedly kept the defence going against Huddersfield, getting in blocks etc. He was carrying an injury too. 2nd half he could have put his hand up and said take me off. He didn't, kept going to the death.

Another statement that just goes to show the level rubbish you can read on UTC on an hourly basis.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:45 am

jrgbfc wrote:No reason whatsoever why we can't have a good go at the cups though. The surrender at Burton was absolutely pathetic.

That is just about my only real beef with Dyche. His treatment of cup games is shockingly bad. And I'll never forgive him for Europe.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:49 am

NL Claret wrote:Tarks has lost interest? Wow! He single handedly kept the defence going against Huddersfield, getting in blocks etc. He was carrying an injury too. 2nd half he could have put his hand up and said take me off. He didn't, kept going to the death.

Another statement that just goes to show the level rubbish you can read on UTC on an hourly basis.

So you didn't see the other games before Huddersfield then? Tarks is a great player and tough as they come but he HASN'T been up to his usual standard this season. Here's hoping that his Huddersfield performance (and it was good to be fair) means he is back to his best.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:54 am

Went to watch Newcastle play Blackburn when we were down the Bottom Newcastle being the lads second team... The football was out of this world compared to what we were watching at turf moor it left a wow! Factor and I never thought we would attain that quality...but we have albeit of late a little poor. We/I romanticise about the lower leagues and accy etc. But were in the right place and need to stay there.

claret2018 · Post by **claret2018** » Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:56 am

The Championship was great the last few times we were in it because we were a decent side and could beat most teams.

It wasn't so great when we went on that ridiculous run of games without a win under Cotterill!

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:13 am

houseboy wrote:So you didn't see the other games before Huddersfield then? Tarks is a great player and tough as they come but he HASN'T been up to his usual standard this season. Here's hoping that his Huddersfield performance (and it was good to be fair) means he is back to his best.

You said he has lost interest and that is clearly not the case.

Strange how he got an England call up. I'll take Southgate's opinion over yours.

Like I said, there is a lot of rubbish posted on her. Sadly some are not bright enough to form their opinion and are taken in by the rubbish.

Chip Harrison · Post by **Chip Harrison** » Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:27 am

let's get relegated this season, go into the Championship, play exciting attacking football........ and get promoted to the Premier League.

Or, get relegated, do a Sunderland, Leeds, Derby, Norwich, but on far less money due to our normal Championship turnover of around £10 to £15 million, which includes the sale of a player or two. Where will we be in 5 years? Administration?

Spike · Post by **Spike** » Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:03 pm

I do not want to see the team that I follow relegated and anyone who does needs their head wobbling

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:19 pm

houseboy wrote:That is just about my only real beef with Dyche. His treatment of cup games is shockingly bad. And I'll never forgive him for Europe.

Got to disagree with you as far as the Burton game is concerned. He put out a team which should have been well capable of winning that game.

CnBtruntru · Post by **CnBtruntru** » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:42 pm

I am taking the post as a question and the answer is ...Only if you get promoted!

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:26 pm

houseboy wrote:That is just about my only real beef with Dyche. His treatment of cup games is shockingly bad. And I'll never forgive him for Europe.

Would that lack of forgiveness rate with that meted out to Coyle after he jumped ship?

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:32 pm

NL Claret wrote:You said he has lost interest and that is clearly not the case.

Strange how he got an England call up. I'll take Southgate's opinion over yours.

Like I said, there is a lot of rubbish posted on her. Sadly some are not bright enough to form their opinion and are taken in by the rubbish.

So you think he's played as well this season so far as he did last season? Is that what you're saying?
I didn't say he'd become a bad player I said he had lost interest, albeit temporarilly, and I couldn't really blame him after being 'dropped' for the Euros.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:48 pm

Leisure wrote:Got to disagree with you as far as the Burton game is concerned. He put out a team which should have been well capable of winning that game.

I was generalising mate. The team against Burton WAS decent (although NOT the first team) but look at his record over the years, he behaves like we have a team of PL reserves like Chelsea or City. Whatever anyone thinks of our PL survival the fact is the only things we can really aspire to winning are cup competitions and Dyche swats them aside like an irritation.

He is wrong.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:56 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote:Would that lack of forgiveness rate with that meted out to Coyle after he jumped ship?

I can only speak for myself with regard to Coyle. I have never hated Coyle as much as most Clarets have, yes I was p!ssed off when he left but he went for his own reasons and one of those reasons was his love affair with Bolton. And since he left Clarets have ridiculed him as a bad manager, and his record since leaving us has been poor to say the least, but I have always asked if he was such a bad manager why were we so angry when he left? The answer is he WASN'T a bad manager for us, he did amazing things while he was here and I believe that had he stayed we wouldn't have got relegated. The man got us promoted to the PL, what more can you say.

No I don't generally bear any ill will to Dyche, he's a top manager who is just having a bit of trouble sorting things out, but I won't forgive him for throwing away cup competitions.