Can we have another discussion of Brexit?

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:33 pm

burnleymik wrote:Certainly feels that way if we cannot change the rules to suit the needs of our own citizens.

We played a leading role in creating most of the rules. The thing with co-operation is that you don't just get to do what you want, when you want.

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:35 pm

RocketLawnChair wrote:How exactly do you know this?

Well obviously it depends on what specific complaint you're asking about but many of the things that people do, often justifiably, complain about are down to our national government rather than the EU.

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:47 pm

Bacchus wrote: The thing with co-operation is that you don't just get to do what you want, when you want.

Even if it is detrimental to people in your own country?

That is the major flaw. Trying to create rules/trade deals/policies etc to suit too many very different economies and societies.

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:58 pm

Some possible sources of individuals being generally better off with Brexit.

Assuming less migration, and even people leaving (there is evidence of some EU citizens returning home) that should ease pressure on services, and house prices.

The fall in the value of the pound against the Euro is also a negative for some from the EU if they send money home. This could mean their jobs are taken by people who will spend their earnings in the UK. (my guess is many EU migrants are not aiming to be long term permanent residents whereas those from outside the EU are more likely to be).

It could lead to the break up of the UK - Scotland particularly. That may actually be beneficial for those in England. And it may not.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:30 pm

If Brexit were a new child, you're having a major issue about what kind of nappies it should wear and that such an issue is the state of its life Ad Infinitum. Hopefully the new Brexit child will continue to grow and become a fully functioning adult.

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:19 pm

Pstotto wrote:If Brexit were a new child, you're having a major issue about what kind of nappies it should wear and that such an issue is the state of its life Ad Infinitum. Hopefully the new Brexit child will continue to grow and become a fully functioning adult.

I have no idea what that means in reality but lets go with the analogy. If we dont worry at least a little bit about what nappies it wears it wont grow up to adulthood at all.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:25 pm

Not really, it's not something one worries about is it? More to the point, does it have good British parents and not German ones?

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:37 pm

Bacchus wrote:Well obviously it depends on what specific complaint you're asking about but many of the things that people do, often justifiably, complain about are down to our national government rather than the EU.

So it’s many. That’s a slight retraction from your initial stance. Reduce that even further to some and you’ll be about right.

That’s the real problem with this entire brexit fiasco people are so entrenched they believe unequivocally that one side or the other is absolutely vindicated. The truth is we were given two pretty **** choices and whichever way we went the normal joes in the street (us)will be ****** over one way or the other, like always happens when politicians are involved. I am just gobsmaked so many can’t see it.

Politics works like this. Bloke gets murdered by Saudi Arabians in Turkey we have to pay more for our petrol at Kitchens.

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:40 pm

Si its a joke then pstotto?

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:59 pm

No Joke. No deal. We have to fight for this independence and a full restoration of English values and English MOJO, to set us right for the next hundred years. Oh yeah, and English sense of humour and no more culture wars from Adidas trying to create mayhem in London via youtube.

Spaceman · Post by **Spaceman** » Tue Oct 23, 2018 10:51 pm

Pstotto wrote:No Joke. No deal. We have to fight for this independence and a full restoration of English values and English MOJO, to set us right for the next hundred years. Oh yeah, and English sense of humour and no more culture wars from Adidas trying to create mayhem in London via youtube.

Ffs it’s the UK not England . Are you one of those who think England won the war ?
English values ? How are they different from anyone else’s values ? All English people have the same values ? Fred west was English . How about his values ?

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:58 pm

Spaceman is a luvvi husky. Ordinance Survey, the National Trust, good sense and sensibility, civil law, the R.N.L.I., driving tests, etc. Go and live in the third world and don't come back.

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Wed Oct 24, 2018 12:38 am

You're weird.

Spaceman · Post by **Spaceman** » Wed Oct 24, 2018 1:25 am

https://youtu.be/yGirJjrN190" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Pstotto and the day he bored the arse off himself

It’s comedy gold .

I can’t take you seriously. Sort your own life out before you start telling others how the country should be run.
Melt

Spaceman · Post by **Spaceman** » Wed Oct 24, 2018 1:42 am

And you melt, pstotto, ordinance survey was done by William Roy from Scotland. Now please go back to complaining about not feeling well

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Wed Oct 24, 2018 3:14 am

Here is a cracking plan.......get a bunch of remoaner politicians aided and abetted by devout remoaner, unelected, unaccountable, whitehall gravy train officials to negotiate a brexit they vehemently opposed.....I'm sure that will turn out well and if it doesn't they can try to blame those who voted leave. People who voted remain are not the problem and neither are those who voted leave. Even the most ignorant moronic mongrel that ever existed can now see laid before them why this country is such a feckup. The people who screwed it for the last 40 plus years for their own benefit have had to come out from under their rocks into the daylight.Those people with their self serving, incompetent, lazy, undeserving benefit and privilege rich lives have had their guise exposed.I don't know how it will happen but there will be a reckoning.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:15 am

The luvvi huskies yap and yelp with righteous squirm to hoover valour as dirt with howls of yellow challenge. You've just behaved exactly as per expected, Spaceman.

Ooopskedi Enschede... OK We'll let Scotland be part of Brexit and British standards as well, as long as you promise to rebuild Hardrian's Wall 2000 ft high if you go independent.

Glad you like the video. it wasn't actually made for you but for something else. I've since removed it. Here's one I made earlier that you might like:

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Spaceman · Post by **Spaceman** » Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:41 am

Yeah you removed it cos it shows what a prick you are . Now do one I won't reply to a sad git like you. Loved your crappy bedsit by the way . I might pop in your art forums and chat on there .

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:58 am

Hipper wrote:...
It could lead to the break up of the UK - Scotland particularly. That may actually be beneficial for those in England. And it may not.

Scotland leaving the UK is unlikely. Now that they have discovered that the EU insists that they must either keep out of the EU customs union or else have a hard border with England - where most of their exports go - they are unlikely to want to rejoin the EU, imo.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:02 am

I removed it for other reasons, certainly not out of embarrassment. Looks like you're about insulting people because you don't actually have any intellectual content to divulge. Typical luvvi husky.

Spaceman · Post by **Spaceman** » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:11 am

Sure . You removed it because it showed you as a sad old git whining about vitamin bottle labels from your manky room. Best bit was your outrage that the shop did not pay you money . Your xenophobic rants are understandable in light of your crap life and anger at your own failings . You project on to others. Not rocket science. I saw a your email box too. Very interesting not. School uniform catalogue in there too. I wonder.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:25 am

At least I went to school, which is more than you did, judging by your idiot vitriol.

Spaceman · Post by **Spaceman** » Wed Oct 24, 2018 12:13 pm

Did you really ? Clitheroe grammar wasn't it ? Well hard . Sunderland poly then a failed career and a bedsit. The man who dreams of greatness . Just a dream thought isn't it you melt. Now go and clean your bedsit.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Wed Oct 24, 2018 12:31 pm

I'll just get the pet Pitt Bull Dyson, to lick the floor. Yeah, good idea.

Spaceman · Post by **Spaceman** » Wed Oct 24, 2018 12:47 pm

If the dog puked on your carpet it would be better art than your crap

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Wed Oct 24, 2018 12:52 pm

Dazzler wrote:Here is a cracking plan.......get a bunch of remoaner politicians aided and abetted by devout remoaner, unelected, unaccountable, whitehall gravy train officials to negotiate a brexit they vehemently opposed.....I'm sure that will turn out well and if it doesn't they can try to blame those who voted leave. People who voted remain are not the problem and neither are those who voted leave. Even the most ignorant moronic mongrel that ever existed can now see laid before them why this country is such a feckup. The people who screwed it for the last 40 plus years for their own benefit have had to come out from under their rocks into the daylight.Those people with their self serving, incompetent, lazy, undeserving benefit and privilege rich lives have had their guise exposed.I don't know how it will happen but there will be a reckoning.

Heres a better plan. Get a bunch of politicians who really wanted to Leave to run the negotiations. Oh hang on - they all ****** off to leave May to pick it up.

The reason its going to **** is because the real architects of Brexit arent prepared ro do the hard work from the front but snipe from the back seat leading rhe main negotiators in a completely untenable position. But theyre not responsible are they? No.

If the hard line Brexit they are pressing for is such a great thing to go for then why werent they leading that from the front when the oppportunity came. Clearly Im against such an approach because i voted Remain but for those hardliners in favour why werent they leading the ship?

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Wed Oct 24, 2018 1:39 pm

Not sure how it can be levelled at Tory Brexiteers that the party fixed it for May to get nominated and shortlisted, before Leadsom fell away. Boris and Gove were never in with a look in. Two years later, it seems that May has appointed herself President, sidelining crucial cabinet ministers, even the Brexit secretaries. So their inability to influence since cannot be levelled at them either.

Yawn.

One has to ask the question, if Ireland were not in the EU, would the border be a problem?

I suspect not. The two nations would find a way. That tells us all we need to know.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Wed Oct 24, 2018 4:59 pm

There is no border problem for the UK with Brexit. The border problem is for Ireland. As it's our Brexit and not theirs, then that's for them to suffer whatever. As for silly Spaceman, could that be Simone Clarkoil blowing a gasket? Go back to college and do a PHD on the subject of puke on a carpet versus my art if you like. I don't think you'd get very far because the fundamental tenet of my art theory is that shape represents form. if you have an image of puke on a carpet it contains pictorial matter, regarding shape represents form. if you care to argue that it doesn't, go for it at college.

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Wed Oct 24, 2018 5:20 pm

So in answer to the OP, it appears we can't.

Plenty of squabbling and name calling already.

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:01 am

I was wondering where to put this...?..[not mine]

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LEAVER: I want an omelette.

REMAINER: Right. It’s just we haven’t got any eggs.

LEAVER: Yes, we have. There they are. [HE POINTS AT A CAKE]

REMAINER: They’re in the cake.

LEAVER: Yes, get them out of the cake, please.

REMAINER: But we voted in 1974 to put them into a cake.

LEAVER: Yes, but that cake has got icing on it. Nobody said there was going to be icing on it.

REMAINER: Icing is good.

LEAVER: And there are raisins in it. I don’t like raisins. Nobody mentioned raisins. I demand another vote.

DAVID CAMERON ENTERS.

DAVID CAMERON: OK.

DAVID CAMERON SCARPERS.

LEAVER: Right, where’s my omelette?

REMAINER: I told you, the eggs are in the cake.

LEAVER: Well, get them out.

EU: It’s our cake.

JEREMY CORBYN: Yes, get them out now.

REMAINER: I have absolutely no idea how to get them out. Don’t you know how to get them out?

LEAVER: Yes! You just get them out and then you make an omelette.

REMAINER: But how?! Didn’t you give this any thought?

LEAVER: Saboteur! You’re talking eggs down. We could make omelettes before the eggs went into the cake, so there’s no reason why we can’t make them now.

THERESA MAY: It’s OK, I can do it.

REMAINER: How?

THERESA MAY: There was a vote to remove the eggs from the cake, and so the eggs will be removed from the cake.

REMAINER: Yeah, but…

LEAVER: Hang on, if we take the eggs out of the cake, does that mean we don’t have any cake? I didn’t say I didn’t want the cake, just the bits I don’t like.

EU: It’s our cake.

REMAINER: But you can’t take the eggs out of the cake and then still have a cake.

LEAVER: You can. I saw the latest Bake Off and you can definitely make cakes without eggs in them. It’s just that they’re horrible.

REMAINER: Fine. Take the eggs out. See what happens.

LEAVER: It’s not my responsibility to take the eggs out. Get on with it.

REMAINER: Why should I have to come up with some long-winded incredibly difficult chemical process to extract eggs that have bonded at the molecular level to the cake, while somehow still having the cake?

LEAVER: You lost, get over it.

THERESA MAY: By the way, I’ve started the clock on this.

REMAINER: So I assume you have a plan?

THERESA MAY: Actually, back in a bit. Just having another election.

REMAINER: Jeremy, are you going to sort this out?

JEREMY CORBYN: Yes. No. Maybe.

EU: It’s our cake.

LEAVER: Where’s my omelette? I voted for an omelette.

REMAINER: This is ridiculous. This is never going to work. We should have another vote, or at least stop what we’re doing until we know how to get the eggs out of the cake while keeping the bits of the cake that we all like.

LEAVER/MAY/CORBYN: WE HAD A VOTE. STOP SABOTAGING THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. EGGSIT MEANS EGGSIT.

REMAINER: Fine, I’m moving to France. The cakes are nicer there.

LEAVER: You can’t. We’ve taken your freedom of movement.

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Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:28 am

Leaver: Chickens lay some more eggs. Simple answer.

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 2:22 am

French: sorry mon ami. We pit all the chickems in a coq au vin.

steve_f · Post by **steve_f** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:46 am

Love this guy, and on this subject he makes a lot of sense
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Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:21 am

Leaver: We'd love to give you your eggs back but unfortunately we've given most of the cake to Ulrich, Francois and Esmerelda. Good news is we can give you a little bit of the cake but only if you agree Stavros, Mario and Svetlana can come around to yours whenever they want to use your electricity?

If you don't like it, you don't need to bring your eggs any more. We will however burn your farm down if you do because we need to show the others how nice our bakery is, even though we can't make most of our cakes and pastries anymore.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:43 am

Leaver: Plenty of chickens, pheasants and geese on the farm, up in the Lake District.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Thu Oct 25, 2018 2:59 pm

See post below

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:22 pm

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:37 pm

Savid Javid is trying to create anarchy in the UK and a lawless state by introducing ridiculous medieval and totalitarian policies to swamp police force resources and to destroy morale. meanwhile:

https://www.kentlive.news/news/kent-new ... ent-585391" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Take a look at all that. That is 2017. Shocked?

Now look at August 2018. The crime rate has more than doubled in a single year:

https://www.kentlive.news/news/kent-new ... nt-2150091" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

SmudgetheClaret · Post by **SmudgetheClaret** » Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:56 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:

there you go again Turtle have your learnt nothing from the Dr Ford debacle ? guilty until proven innocent eh..

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:04 pm

I thought he was sticking up for remainers in the tweet. A couple of posters on here will be terrified about ageism becoming a crime

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:13 pm

SmudgetheClaret wrote:there you go again Turtle have your learnt nothing from the Dr Ford debacle ? guilty until proven innocent eh..

He's being investigated. Who says he's guilty? Are you presuming his guilt already?

SmudgetheClaret · Post by **SmudgetheClaret** » Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:08 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:He's being investigated. Who says he's guilty? Are you presuming his guilt already?

Good effort I bet you couldn't type fast enough when your fake news media broke the Banks story you must be getting fed up of loosing by now ?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:13 pm

SmudgetheClaret wrote:Good effort I bet you couldn't type fast enough when your fake news media broke the Banks story you must be getting fed up of loosing by now ?

If the investigation shows wrong-doing will you accept it?

SmudgetheClaret · Post by **SmudgetheClaret** » Fri Nov 02, 2018 7:56 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:If the investigation shows wrong-doing will you accept it?

Of course as long as you accept Trump and Kavanaugh are innocent

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:20 am

SmudgetheClaret wrote:Of course as long as you accept Trump and Kavanaugh are innocent

They're not. Kavanaugh lied repeatedly, and Trump has been guilty for decades of tax fraud, and any investigation will show that. Which is why people like you are really worried about investigations.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:40 am

What do you want Brexiteers to accept?
Remain spent a good £5million pounds more than leave on their campaign. Remain spunked £9million pounds of tax payers money on junk mail.
The result had nothing to do with money.
This is just another attempt at disposing with democracy.
It will be amusing watching you extremists get your hopes dashed again though

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:44 am

Damo wrote: Remain spunked £9million pounds of tax payers money on junk mail.

That was your Tory government, not Remain. You've been told that before. Stop with the lies.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:45 am

"Everyone who opposes Brexit is an extremist" - Actual extremists, 2016-present

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:47 am

Alexa... play a song for turtle

Playing "always the victim it's never my fault" by the imploding turtles

SmudgetheClaret · Post by **SmudgetheClaret** » Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:47 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:They're not. Kavanaugh lied repeatedly, and Trump has been guilty for decades of tax fraud, and any investigation will show that. Which is why people like you are really worried about investigations.

I think that's a resounding no Turtle ? Let's be honest if God himself shocked us all and said "Listen my people Trump is not guilty of Russian collusion you have my word " you would trot of muttering...