People burning a Grenfell Tower effigy

[Imploding Turtle]

I'd be furious but I sure as **** wouldn't be calling for arrests

Truth is though I don't think there would be any. The one reason this has resulted in arrests is because they painted most of their little paper faces brown. That's it. If they didn't do that, nobody would have ever heard about this.

Maybe you're right.
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[ClaretMoffitt]

Maybe you're right.
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So which of those tweets (which I assume were the worst they could find) posted on that article do you think warret an arrest? The only one I see there that looks halfway arrest able is the one about mowing people down, that didn't get one like or retweet.

[Falcon]

It's not for me to say whether a crime has been committed. The police I see are looking into it and they can sort that out.

All I can say is that the people who have taken a fair bit of effort to build the effigy, burn it and then publish the video online are in my opinion a bunch of massive bellends. I'm also 99% certain that their motives are borne out of hate, for the poor or for the blacks or maybe for both, but it would be hard to prove it. I just can't see any other reason to do it though.

[Stayingup]

No. But it takes quite a lot to offend me.

Haha Is that because your thick or thick skinned? Or both?

[Imploding Turtle]

So which of those tweets (which I assume were the worst they could find) posted on that article do you think warret an arrest? The only one I see there that looks halfway arrest able is the one about mowing people down, that didn't get one like or retweet.

I wasn't contradicting your point, numbnuts.

However, i'm pretty sure it's illegal to harass people. And yes, inciting murder using a vehicle is also a crime. I wonder if Carl T ever did get his collar felt. If he did then i'd be in full support of it because is shouldn't be legal go online and harass people. And it isn't.

[Imploding Turtle]

Haha Is that because your thick or thick skinned? Or both?

you're*

[Stayingup]

A thouroughly disgusting thing to do. The mind set of some people today is lower than the gutter. Respect has gone.

Unfortunatley I cant see that a crime has been committed. Unless the police can 'convert' this into their current favourite - a HATE crime. This is their big thing at the moment, along with speed cameras, and as some of the faces in this awful thing were 'dark' that may justify it for them. I'm sure they will give it their best shot.

[Imploding Turtle]

A thouroughly disgusting thing to do. The mind set of some people today is lower than the gutter. Respect has gone.

Unfortunatley I cant see that a crime has been committed. Unless the police can 'convert' this into their current favourite - a HATE crime. This is their big thing at the moment, along with speed cameras, and as some of the faces in this awful thing were 'dark' that may justify it for them. I'm sure they will give it their best shot.

Speed cameras record actual crimes. Speeding is a crime. Don't speed.

[ClaretMoffitt]

I wasn't contradicting your point, numbnuts.

However, i'm pretty sure it's illegal to harass people. And yes, inciting murder using a vehicle is also a crime. I wonder if Carl T ever did get his collar felt. If he did then i'd be in full support of it because is shouldn't be legal go online and harass people. And it isn't.

Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. Who knows. But if you think people getting criticised on twitter should be able to prosecute all those that do it for harassment then again you are heading a slippery slope.

[Imploding Turtle]

Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. Who knows. But if you think people getting criticised on twitter should be able to prosecute all those that do it for harassment then again you are heading a slippery slope.

No, i think people who harass should be prosecuted for harassment. Where did you get the idea that i think criticism should be prosecuted? You're imagining things.

[AlargeClaret]

I was under the impression that most of the victims were non white ? So don’t quite get why the painted in brown faces should have any influence on this apart from make the raging twitter mob rage even harder.

It’s a very poor taste “ joke” likely carried out by ignorant simpletons , even more so for posting it online .

[NottsClaret]

I for one will be relieved when we get back to the true traditions of this isle, and just celebrate the burning of Catholics on November 5th.

I tell you, the country's gone.

[Imploding Turtle]

I was under the impression that most of the victims were non white ? So don’t quite get why the painted in brown faces should have any influence on this apart from make the raging twitter mob rage even harder.

It’s a very poor taste “ joke” likely carried out by ignorant simpletons , even more so for posting it online .

i think it goes towards showing they knew what they were doing. It's hard to believe that people who were that concerned about artistic integrity didn't also know that they were being massive *****.

[ClaretMoffitt]

i think it goes towards showing they knew what they were doing. It's hard to believe that people who were that concerned about artistic integrity didn't also know that they were being massive *****.

All of this is irrelevant. The point is police in this country are increasingly arresting people for non criminal offences and people are no longer as free as they were. It might be going in your favour right now but I promise you it's only a matter of time before they start targeting the people you like too. You think this corbyn antisemitism thing isn't part of a wider plan?

[Imploding Turtle]

All of this is irrelevant. The point is police in this country are increasingly arresting people for non criminal offences and people are no longer as free as they were. It might be going in your favour right now but I promise you it's only a matter of time before they start targeting the people you like too. You think this corbyn antisemitism thing isn't part of a wider plan?

In my favour? How many more ways do i have to explicitly oppose the criminalisation of being offensive before you'll get it into that skull of yours that i oppose it no matter who the **** is being arrested?
Jesus ******* Christ.

I'm almost certain now that you think my principles are flexible depending on whether the person subject to them is someone I like or not. And i'm equally certain that you believe that purely because that is how your principles bend. It's why you supported imprisonment for Muslims who are offensive, despite not committing crimes, yet oppose these c*nts' criminalisation.

Just because you're a hypocrite doesn't mean everyone else is. Stop assuming i'm like you.

[Chobulous]

I for one will be relieved when we get back to the true traditions of this isle, and just celebrate the burning of Catholics on November 5th.

I tell you, the country's gone.

We have never celebrated the burning of Catholics on Nov 5th. We celebrated the burning of a Catholic who tried to assassinated the then king and most of parliament. He wasn't executed because he was Catholic, he was executed for a treasonous act.

[KateR]

it's disgusting, the laughing and joking about it was sick, the posting of the video was stupid.

all in all a bunch of people I think should face some criticism and ridicule for what they did, not one off them were trying to stop it or warn of insensitivity off the act.

I would think today/yesterday they will be feeling very foolish and they were.

[Lancasterclaret]

He wasn't executed because he was Catholic, he was executed for a treasonous act.

So the MSM would have you believe


Am I doing this right?

[CrosspoolClarets]

I knew when I saw the title of this thread over lunch that those far right scumbags would have provided the opportunity for a healthy dose of virtue signalling, and I was right

It's the American midterms today - we'll all be overflowing with virtuous comment by tomorrow.

Apologies to the easily offended - I've already driven 4 hours today and I need a bit of fun

[Lord Beamish]

We have never celebrated the burning of Catholics on Nov 5th. We celebrated the burning of a Catholic who tried to assassinated the then king and most of parliament. He wasn't executed because he was Catholic, he was executed for a treasonous act.

He wasn’t burned. He was Hanged, Drawn, and Quartered. That was the extant(at the time) punishment for Treason.
It is said that Fawkes fell from the scaffold after his hanging and broke his neck. This would have mercifully saved him from the pain of the rest of the process.

[NottsClaret]

He wasn’t burned. He was Hanged, Drawn, and Quartered. That was the extant(at the time) punishment for Treason.
It is said that Fawkes fell from the scaffold after his hanging and broke his neck. This would have mercifully saved him from the pain of the rest of the process.

Not an efficient use of resources, that drawn and quartered business. Once the fella's dead, it's your time you're wasting. You can't imagine local government picking up the tab for all that these days.

[Herts Clarets]

Imagine if the Police had been as prompt in arresting the owners of flats in Grenfell who illegally sub let and led to innocent people dying. That was one of the reasons why the authorities took so long to identify the victims and provide a total number of victims, as they had no idea who was actually living there.

Or if they had been as on the ball dealing the fraudsters who claimed tens of thousands of pounds of public funds for rehousing, loss of possessions and hotel accommodation, despite never having been near Grenfell. This included a local council worker who pocketed 60k of cash from a victim's fund.

[SmudgetheClaret]

I'd like to bet there is more to this story, who are these people who did this and more importantly why did they do it ? I cannot see how even the most stupid of people wouldn't realise there would be a backlash therefore if the intention was to bring the subject back into the media focus its worked a treat ...

[Imploding Turtle]

I'd like to bet there is more to this story, who are these people who did this and more importantly why did they do it ? I cannot see how even the most stupid of people wouldn't realise there would be a backlash therefore if the intention was to bring the subject back into the media focus its worked a treat ...

lol. That's why they did it, they did it for the benefit of the victims, not the more obvious reason.

[SmudgetheClaret]

lol. That's why they did it, they did it for the benefit of the victims, not the more obvious reason.

Far right Trump and Brexit supporting Nazis no doubt in the turtle world..

[Pimlico_Claret]

Imagine if the Police had been as prompt in arresting the owners of flats in Grenfell who illegally sub let and led to innocent people dying. That was one of the reasons why the authorities took so long to identify the victims and provide a total number of victims, as they had no idea who was actually living there.

Or if they had been as on the ball dealing the fraudsters who claimed tens of thousands of pounds of public funds for rehousing, loss of possessions and hotel accommodation, despite never having been near Grenfell. This included a local council worker who pocketed 60k of cash from a victim's fund.

Loads of people have been arrested, charged and convicted of these crimes. We are still waiting for the same thing to happen much higher up the chain, surprisingly.

[Imploding Turtle]

Far right Trump and Brexit supporting Nazis no doubt in the turtle world..

I wouldn't be surprised. They seem pretty stupid.

[martin_p]

How would some of you feel if they were taking the p*ss out of the victims of the Manchester arena bombing?

It would be different to be fair. Doing the same thing on the Manchester bombing could be seen as celebrating/promoting terrorism. Tragic as Grenfell was it wasn't intentional.

[Imploding Turtle]

It would be different to be fair. Doing the same thing on the Manchester bombing could be seen as celebrating/promoting terrorism. Tragic as Grenfell was it wasn't intentional.

Much to the disappointment of those who were generating fake news about how and who caused it in the days after the fire.

[Damo]

Much to the disappointment of those who were generating fake news about how and who caused it in the days after the fire.

Did people claim Grenfell was an act of terrorism? I certainly never saw that being suggested anywhere

[Imploding Turtle]

Did people claim Grenfell was an act of terrorism? I certainly never saw that being suggested anywhere

Twitter tw*ts mostly, spreading the lie that it was an Islamic terrorist attack.

[Hipper]

Imagine if the Police had been as prompt in arresting the owners of flats in Grenfell who illegally sub let and led to innocent people dying.

As far as I know all the people that died in the Grenfell disaster were 'innocent'.

[claretandy]

Turns out it was a female teacher who made the model.

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[BurnleyFC]

As if this is anywhere near front page headlines.

[pushpinpussy]

I’m not saying the police in this country are useless but there’s now been more arrests over the burning of a cardboard Grenfell Tower than the real thing. wtf

[NottsClaret]

I’m not saying the police in this country are useless but there’s now been more arrests over the burning of a cardboard Grenfell Tower than the real thing. wtf

To be fair, nobody set fire to Grenfell Tower on purpose. But that bonfire looked less of an accident.

Also, it's probably more time consuming investigating a myriad of causes across many years which led to a huge accidental yet catastrophic fire than it is watching some phone footage of drunk racists.

[Imploding Turtle]

I’m not saying the police in this country are useless but there’s now been more arrests over the burning of a cardboard Grenfell Tower than the real thing. wtf

I've seen this whine a few times and the common response is that it's still under investigation.