Jeremy Corbyn

[Top Claret]

What a scruff. The jacket he wore for the remembrance ceremony at the cenotaph wasn’t even black and it looked like he’d bought it from ASDA. To think people want him to be the person who leads us and represents us on the international stage. God at least Trump makes an effort.

Presentation matters.

Hear hear. The man is an absolute disgrace and should never ever represent our great country

He looks like a dirty old scruffy man who as just been scrubbed down and dressed by a high street charity.

This present lot are making a complete mockery of our country, but God help us if Corby and his shower ever get elected.

[Damo]

Surprised this has made it to 3 pages

[Spijed]

Hear hear. The man is an absolute disgrace and should never ever represent our great country

He looks like a dirty old scruffy man who as just been scrubbed down and dressed by a high street charity.

This present lot are making a complete mockery of our country, but God help us if Corby and his shower ever get elected.

So what did you think of Boris Johnson being foreign secretary and turning up at those global events looking like he'd slept on a park bench?

Wonder why you were not outraged in the same way?

[android]

A lot of extreme views on Corbyn here, but none that I can see that criticise the policies he is advocating. I wonder why that is. Oh, and he's not a communist but a social democrat, there is a huge distinction between the two.

If he is not an actual communist, he is certainly by far the closest thing to one that we have ever seen so close to power in this country.

His special adviser is a communist (Murray), his Shadow Chancellor is a Marxist and his closest adviser, if he is not a communist, then he is certainly someone infatuated by communism (Milne).

It seems incredibly naive to judge him only on his current policies in opposition (he's not completely stupid and obviously wants to get elected - although not nearly as much as McDonnell who has made more effort to distance himself from his past) and ignore his past views / his world view/ his previous and current cronies and so on.

[Lancasterclaret]

All possibly true, but he's made his promise that he will abide by his members policies voted on at conference.

if he does that (and I have doubts about him as well, but don't think he could survive if he ignores that) then he's a social democrat.

I'm not a fan, but he's not a commie.

[NottsClaret]

Surprised this has made it to 3 pages

Surprised the debate around him has lasted 3 years. He's never going to win an election, twas clear from day one.

And celebrating that one he lost as though he won really doesn't count, not in this game.

[Lancasterclaret]

Sadly it appears to count if you think he's the second coming of our Lord and saviour.

The only people who give me more **** than Corbynistas on twitter are Tommy Robinson fanboys.

[Stayingup]

Having put up with all that this nasty governments antics over the period and you say you would really struggle to vote?

Frankly I’m flabbergasted, as a suggestion can I just advise you (or anyone who is open enough to listen) to vote tactically to remove this irresponsible and heavily biased Party where ever you/may live.

Are you for real? This heavily biased government? What the hell.is that supposed to mean? Biased for or against what? It's a stupid comment.

[Stayingup]

Corbyn is a disrespectful looney. He hates Britain and its past. He should be sent to Russia.

[COBBLE]

My first thought on seeing Corbyn was that he had just got there in time after delivering his paper round. Just got back from London for the weekend. The exhibition Shrouds of the Somme was very poignant.

[AndrewJB]

Corbyn is a disrespectful looney. He hates Britain and its past. He should be sent to Russia.

Given how calmly and reasonably you delivered your message, it simply must be true.

[South West Claret.]

Are you for real? This heavily biased government? What the hell.is that supposed to mean? Biased for or against what? It's a stupid comment.

Seems to have touched a nerve there

The "Con"servative Party, What are they good for?

Well they primarily exist to support the extremes of big business and Off-Shore Tax Dodgers, using various methods to get elected, for example Divide and Conquer and playing to the less intelligent of the population through the Gutter Press etc.

Got it now

[Erasmus]

Android, I have never heard of anything that Corbyn has said that would indicate he is a communist. It is too easy to slap pejorative labels on people. In many respects the Marxist analysis of capitalism is very useful but at the same time there are major flaws in Marx's utopian outlook, perhaps most notably in his understanding of social determinism. Socialists are essentially reformists working within the system to improve the position of the majority, communists demand the wholesale overthrow of the system. That leaves an unbridgeable difference between them.

[houseboy]

Never been a big fan of God Save the Queen either, though I’d prefer Land of Hope and Glory, or Jerusalem as a replacement.

Either of those would be better. Don't know if you've ever seen it but Billy Connolly's dig at the national anthem is hilarious. He suggested having the Archers theme as the anthem to stop other teams getting stuck behind us at the Olympic ceremony.

[South West Claret.]

Either of those would be better. Don't know if you've ever seen it but Billy Connolly's dig at the national anthem is hilarious. He suggested having the Archers theme as the anthem to stop other teams getting stuck behind us at the Olympic ceremony.

Not a bad idea given the sometimes drawn out affair.

[android]

Hi Erasmus, Lancs, Andrew - it's true that there is little or nothing to be gained by attaching a label to Corbyn whether it is Communist, Marxist, Socialist or whatever.

My main point was that we should look beyond his currently stated policies for what he would like to do. The bloke despises our western capitalist ways. He has had various love ins with the Soviet Union, Cuba, Venezuela and so on. He hates the West so much that he naturally sides with those who would like to harm us. These things tell us more than what is in his latest manifesto.

There is a bit of a clue with the EU isn't there? Officially Corbyn was pro Remain. But everyone knows that he always wanted out of the cosy capitalist club. He is one of the few Labour MPs left who is still adamant that we must Leave come what may. His policies to try to get elected are one thing but it is naïve to stop there in assessing him.

[Bosscat]

Either of those would be better. Don't know if you've ever seen it but Billy Connolly's dig at the national anthem is hilarious. He suggested having the Archers theme as the anthem to stop other teams getting stuck behind us at the Olympic ceremony.

Cheers house you have brought back memories of an album I used to have (long gone now mores the pity) of Billy Connolley singing about "Last train to Glasgow Central" parodying The Monkees hit "Last train to Clarksville" and his student trip to Rome and waking up in a Shop Doorway covered in "Hueeey Green" after having been told by the barman the Pope drank Creme de Menthe and he had drunk several pints of it...



Cheers m8

[Guich]

Most women I know have said they would never consider getting it on with a man who holds right wing views, but for me Dorries, Palin, Fransen, the woman who runs AfD, and a few others hold a profoundly unhealthy hold over part of my imagination. I suppose as long as it’s only physical...

Of course that makes sense if you mix with women with predominantly left wing views and are very serious about their politics, Andrew.

In my opinion most women are more open minded than that, and judge men on many other factors, kindness, looks, interests, job, cash, friends etc. Years ago 'Good Sense of Humour' used to be up there but for politicos that seems irrelevant now. And sadly (in some ways) it often seems to be that the Tory girls are better looking and sexier (sweeping generalisation I know), maybe they just wear more make-up and are naughtier.

I know this has nothing to do with Corbyn (apart from the Diane Abbot connection) but I think it's far more interesting.

Can we move the debate to which party has the fittest supporters?

[houseboy]

Cheers house you have brought back memories of an album I used to have (long gone now mores the pity) of Billy Connolley singing about "Last train to Glasgow Central" parodying The Monkees hit "Last train to Clarksville" and his student trip to Rome and waking up in a Shop Doorway covered in "Hueeey Green" after having been told by the barman the Pope drank Creme de Menthe and he had drunk several pints of it...



Cheers m8

Ahh Billy the comedy genius, sad to see him the way he is now but I suppose old age comes to us all (if we're lucky).

Always wanted to be in a room with Billy and Robin Willliams (who were good friends). That would have been my idea of comedy heaven (provided Williams wasn't on a downer).

[South West Claret.]

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[Healeywoodclaret]

Why?

Are you Jeremy Corby trolling this message board hiding behind your username houseboy? Everyone on here who has been less than complimentary towards Corbyn you've pulled them up about it!

[Healeywoodclaret]

So what did you think of Boris Johnson being foreign secretary and turning up at those global events looking like he'd slept on a park bench?

Wonder why you were not outraged in the same way?

This threads title is Jeremy Corbyn.

Perhaps you should start a thread with the title Boris Johnson?

[nil_desperandum]

This threads title is Jeremy Corbyn.

Perhaps you should start a thread with the title Boris Johnson?

Why?
The comparison is a fair one: they are both scruffy, incompetent and un-statesmanlike.
(What a choice we might face at the next election!)

[Healeywoodclaret]

Why?
The comparison is a fair one: they are both scruffy, incompetent and un-statesmanlike.
(What a choice we might face at the next election!)

Very True. Well said that man!

[Bosscat]

Why?
The comparison is a fair one: they are both scruffy, incompetent and un-statesmanlike.
(What a choice we might face at the next election!)

Fight Fight Fight

Lets have a face off

Boris in the Blue Corner
Jezza in the Red Corner

Roll up Roll up watch the Flying Blonde Toff take on The Bearded Anorak.....

[Imploding Turtle]

Why?
The comparison is a fair one: they are both scruffy, incompetent and un-statesmanlike.
(What a choice we might face at the next election!)

I think Corbyn might be un-statesmanlike in his dress whereas Johnson is un-statesmanlike in what he says. I don't really care this his hair's a mess. Though at the same time i don't care that Corbyn looks like a Geography teacher.

[nil_desperandum]

I think Corbyn might be un-statesmanlike in his dress whereas Johnson is un-statesmanlike in what he says. I don't really care this his hair's a mess. Though at the same time i don't care that Corbyn looks like a Geography teacher.

I was thinking more of their ability to behave in a statesmanlike manner.
i.e. dignified, and giving the impression of being very able, erudite and experienced. Commanding and deserving of respect
They're both clueless when it comes to etiquette and protocols and on the world stage that's important.

[Imploding Turtle]

I was thinking more of their ability to behave in a statesmanlike manner.
i.e. dignified, and giving the impression of being very able, erudite and experienced. Commanding and deserving of respect
They're both clueless when it comes to etiquette and protocols and on the world stage that's important.

I don't think Corbyn is close to Johnson's level when it comes to violating statesmanlike etiquette or protocol.

[Pimlico_Claret]

So what did you think of Boris Johnson being foreign secretary and turning up at those global events looking like he'd slept on a park bench?

Wonder why you were not outraged in the same way?

His tie was straight.

[UpTheClaretsFCBK]

I can literally predict the social media bio for half the posters on here.

''Steve, 54

Love Stella, Hate the wife, against terrorism, brexit means brexit.''

Throw in a few union jacks.

[Rowls]

Bacon Sandwich-Gate was indeed in 2014, and was the first installment of the cheap (but popular) 'Smear the Labour Leader' franchise. Many sequels are available at your nearest right-wing open sewer.

I'll just echo what others have said. There are plenty of legitimate arguments you can make against Corbyn and his politics, and I'd even agree with some of them myself.

To take potshots at his cheap coat while he's laying a wreath for the war dead is just a bit pathetic, that's all.

Well that's all fine if that's what you believe.

You'd have done better not to imply imply that I've said that though.

[houseboy]

Are you Jeremy Corby trolling this message board hiding behind your username houseboy? Everyone on here who has been less than complimentary towards Corbyn you've pulled them up about it!

Not everyone and even if I had why wouldn't I? I'm a fan and he isn't here to defend himself from idiots criticising his dress sense like it's actually important on rememberance day (or any other day for that matter). I'll defend him for not singing the national because neither do I because it's not a national anthem it's a love song to the bloody monarch. Yes I'll defend him and I'll continue to do so when the mood takes me.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Can you defend him for doing Diane Abbott ?

[Lancasterclaret]

He's got a terrible taste in lasses but to be fair, as she can't count, she probably thinks Jeremy is a lot more hung that he actually is.....

That doesn't affect his ability to govern in the slightest though.

[claretonthecoast1882]

He's got a terrible taste in lasses but to be fair, as she can't count, she probably thinks Jeremy is a lot more hung that he actually is.....

That doesn't affect his ability to govern in the slightest though.

Luckily he will never get chance to prove he can't

[Lancasterclaret]

You never know.

Current government have a big issue with trying to do something that is impossible to do well. That might not end well for them and once it goes to the electorate?

Put it one way, if Labour had a more realistic vision of Brexit (than a totally vacuous and meaningless "Jobs first Brexit") I could park my massive objections to him to one side in the marginal I live in.

[claretonthecoast1882]

That is the issue though, Labour aren't realistic about anything. It suits them mouthing from the sidelines rather than being in power, if they wanted to be in the power they would remove the idiot and find someone suitable to lead them.

[Lancasterclaret]

Thing is, neither are the current bunch of Conservatives (the reaction to the predictable Brexit withdrawal agreement summing it up)

He might well get in, and it probably won't go well, but this lot are not doing a good enough job for everybody either.

[aggi]

One of the worst things for Labour would be actually getting in at the moment. They need the tories to oversee Brexit and then when they come in afterwards they can blame all the problems on them. Whichever party does the Brexit deal is going to end up screwed by the fallout. Even ardent Brexit supporters on here are predicting a financial hit.

As such, Labour's mealy-mouthed Brexit proposals are working for them as they can stick with "we'd have done it differently" without having to say exactly how. Their six tests are as contradictory as May's red lines when it comes down to an actual deal.

[Guich]

One of the worst things for Labour would be actually getting in at the moment. They need the tories to oversee Brexit and then when they come in afterwards they can blame all the problems on them. Whichever party does the Brexit deal is going to end up screwed by the fallout. Even ardent Brexit supporters on here are predicting a financial hit.

As such, Labour's mealy-mouthed Brexit proposals are working for them as they can stick with "we'd have done it differently" without having to say exactly how. Their six tests are as contradictory as May's red lines when it comes down to an actual deal.

I agree.

And by the time their chance comes, I sincerely hope Labour has replaced the idiotic protestor with a leader who can appeal to more than just the obsessive tory haters. Otherwise it gives the Tories plenty of time to find someone capable of leading for the following decade.

I'm not a fan of governments returning for more than a second term

[AndrewJB]

The obsession people on the right of the political spectrum have with Corbyn (let’s face it, threads like this are most often started by people who oppose him) is odd considering his major accomplishments so far have been about devolving power within Labour, and if Labour are elected we’ll see that more across the country too. Consider his proposal to fill BBC board roles through elections - thereby giving up the opportunity to put people in place himself. That’s not how a power hungry person acts, but if he did suddenly go all Josef Stalin; he wouldn’t be able to command the support of the party any longer.

What is interesting to me from this thread is that much of the toxicity that is heaped on Corbyn doesn’t stick in equal measure to the party itself. More than a few people seem to be saying, ‘Labour will be alright once Corbyn leaves’

I don’t believe Corbyn is anything nearly as scary as some newspapers claim, and in fact I’d say their owners and editors are far more fearful of the higher taxes on wealthy people that will come from a Labour government under him. Interesting that Labour could sidestep the Corbyn bashing by choosing another leader, whilst retaining the policies on taxing the rich.

[Bosscat]

Can you defend him for doing Diane Abbott ?

Didn't they do a road trip in Europe on a Motorcycle once .......

[CleggHall]

Interesting that McDonnell said Labour would not reverse Hammond's recent tax cuts for the rich. This caused a minor storm in the Labour Party but they are seeking to win a General Election and, on this issue, are ironically apeing New Labour.

[Lancasterclaret]

My only issue with Corbyn (well, apart from Brexit) is that he says he wants to make the Labour party have more responsibility for policy but will he do that if they clash with his own long held ideals?

If he is genuine (and that isn't a given, whatever his supporters say) then that is great (also Lib Dems/Greens already do that*)

*you could argue that is also part of the problem both parties have

[aggi]

My only issue with Corbyn (well, apart from Brexit) is that he says he wants to make the Labour party have more responsibility for policy but will he do that if they clash with his own long held ideals?

If he is genuine (and that isn't a given, whatever his supporters say) then that is great (also Lib Dems/Greens already do that*)

*you could argue that is also part of the problem both parties have

The party's position on trident suggests that he will.

[dermotdermot]

McDonnell is now advocating Mugabe style land grab. This just about takes the biscuit. How can anyone take these jokers seriously? I’ve heard Corbyn referring to ‘reclaiming our wealth’ in the past. What ‘wealth’ is that then? If these subversives get anywhere near government we’d have just so much trouble it doesn’t bear thinking about. Cameron left the legacy of brexit and Miliband, the legacy of Corbynism. Both should be held accountable.

[Lancasterclaret]

It does, but will that survive him actually having a chance to get rid of it?

I'm not so sure

[AndrewJB]

It does, but will that survive him actually having a chance to get rid of it?

I'm not so sure

I would like to see Trident scrapped, as I cannot see a situation in which we’d use it, while having it makes us a target. To me it is as useful as the Maginot Line was.


If there was a national debate on it - a thorough investigation of the facts and likely scenarios, and this changed my mind, then I’d change my view. I’d hope that people on either side of the debate would do the same.

For Corbyn, he doesn’t have to stop campaigning for disarmament, though he’s tied down to a position of everyone doing it together (rather than unilateral). Still plenty for him to do in that arena. And far better this than someone itching to press the button.

[Lancasterclaret]

Defence is the area where Corbyn is **** weak (whatever anyones feelings on trident)

I'd have to add that bit to my misgivings about him.

[AndrewJB]

McDonnell is now advocating Mugabe style land grab. This just about takes the biscuit. How can anyone take these jokers seriously? I’ve heard Corbyn referring to ‘reclaiming our wealth’ in the past. What ‘wealth’ is that then? If these subversives get anywhere near government we’d have just so much trouble it doesn’t bear thinking about. Cameron left the legacy of brexit and Miliband, the legacy of Corbynism. Both should be held accountable.

If you could provide a link to the ‘land grab’ comment it would be interesting to see.