How can an average person benefit from Brexit

[piston broke]

If the houses come down 30% and the £ crumbles I could sell up here and buy back in England and make a killing but I won’t, I’d rather be happy than live in the miserable sh1thole.

[Hipper]

Last week we were told we will run out of drinking water. So start filling up demi jars, water butts, and buckets now!

No we weren't.

Maybe.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ate-change" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

'New water supply infrastructure will also be needed, and Gove raised the possibility of new reservoirs, which could prove controversial in some areas. This week, the government will lay before parliament a new draft national policy statement that will set out measures to make it easier for water companies to build reservoirs and water transfer infrastructure.

Water companies have set out proposals for more than £50bn of investment between 2020 and 2025, which are now under scrutiny by Ofwat to ensure they represent value for money for the public.'

I would guess with sea level rises of a metre or more, inland sources of fresh water in some areas will be contaminated by sea water.

Nothing to do with the EU though.

[CombatClaret]

Why do you think it was the working class areas that voted out and leafy London suburbs voting in?

Yes, no poor working class areas in London. And the few that are, well they're just full of illegal immigrants who got to vote...

[Imploding Turtle]

Maybe.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ate-change" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

'New water supply infrastructure will also be needed, and Gove raised the possibility of new reservoirs, which could prove controversial in some areas. This week, the government will lay before parliament a new draft national policy statement that will set out measures to make it easier for water companies to build reservoirs and water transfer infrastructure.

Water companies have set out proposals for more than £50bn of investment between 2020 and 2025, which are now under scrutiny by Ofwat to ensure they represent value for money for the public.'

I would guess with sea level rises of a metre or more, inland sources of fresh water in some areas will be contaminated by sea water.

Nothing to do with the EU though.

I'm still looking for the bit where it says we'll run out of drinking water.

[Pstotto]

Via adopting a sense of responsibility to see how they can add to the collective chi and mojo of the nation.

[martin_p]

Yes, of course there will be plusses and minuses, and yes, it would be better for both sides if free trade continued. But as for supply chain issues, I suspect they will cause as much trouble as the millennium bug and the introduction of the Euro caused - ie. not a lot. This is not the introduction of a new system, because sytems are already in place for import from rest-of-the-world countries. I doubt that Customs & Excise are going to look on this as a chance to come down heavy and cause holdups - they'll be test checking with a light touch.

BMW are changing the date of their annual closure of their Cowley plant to ensure there aren't any difficulties. They will still be operating for the same number of weeks per year as they always do.

Yet again dsr knows more about something than people who do it for a living.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... SApp_Other

[RingoMcCartney]

I'm still looking for the bit where it says we'll run out of drinking water.

You'll find it here

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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... n-13641549" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Taken from the newstatesman-

This is where they admit it Operation Hysteria -


"Is this true?
According to the government leak, we import crucial chemicals, some of which we cannot stockpile, and it’s also highly likely that no deal would cause problems at borders. But as a former Cabinet Office source puts it to me, this tapwater story is more about Gove and the cabinet’s Brexit politics than the water industry. And a Whitehall source quoted in the Mail’s story cautioned, “This is Project Fear on steroids but it has worked on the cabinet”. There is a sense that the picture of hospitals, schools and households suddenly running dry has more basis in POLITICS than reality at the moment."



https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/u ... king-water" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Now stop pretending we weren't told wed run out of drinking water. And stop pretending it's just Team Armageddon doing what it's best at.

Now that's my daily allowance of idiot interaction used up

[Rowls]

This is where everyone remembers that Mark Carney is an internally renown banker who is rightly credited with running the Bank of England, while Rowls works as a barmen in france.
Nothing against that at all as its an ace job, but he won't know as much as Mark Carney. Ever.

Mark Carney hasn't advised anyone on how to invest their money; he's made yet another prediction of Brexit doom.

I have merely explained to inchy why it appears some rich people appear to make money playing the stock markets and advised him not to join in unless he can afford the potential losses. Mark Carney doesn't do this. In fact it would be highly remiss of him to advise on stocks and shares.

What next, Lancaster - will you compare apples and pears for us?

[dsr]

Yet again dsr knows more about something than people who do it for a living.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... SApp_Other

I get pretty sick of all these people who (like the 'head of policy', whatever that may be) at Dover who say that this thing cannot work under the current system, so it won't work at all. If it can't work under the current system, then change the system. If the new forms take too long to fill in, then go back to the old ones. Introduce more electronic pre-completed forms. Build a system to suit the situation, rather than saying the situation has to be changed because it doesn't suit our system.

[aggi]

Last week we were told we will run out of drinking water. So start filling up demi jars, water butts, and buckets now! Theres obviously money to be made!

And to pre-empt the next stage of Operation Hysteria, start stockpiling oxygen!

Hang on, your later links suggest this might not work.

Anyway, we're getting diverted. How can an average person benefit from Brexit, surely someone who voted for it must have some concrete thoughts on this.

[Mala591]

Don't invest in domestic property because as the country significantly reduces NET immigration post brexit, the value of property will decrease (supply and demand) and buying their first house might actually be a realistic option for our children.

[Lancasterclaret]

Not at all Rowls, what would be the point of that?

Just pointing out that one person is perfectly qualified to do impact economic assessments for the Uk, and one person isn't.

[RingoMcCartney]

Hang on, your later links suggest this might not work.

Anyway, we're getting diverted. How can an average person benefit from Brexit, surely someone who voted for it must have some concrete thoughts on this.

You previously said,

"Well I don't want just believe things on the basis of "I read it on the internet" without considering the detail. Have you got a source (preferably an unbiased one)

Consequently , given that it's fair to say that most, not all, things end up on the Internet, particularly in modern 24 hour news environment. Any thoughts I may have will become inadmissible, according to your self appointed rules. If they were to comply I'm sure they fall foul of the "biased" terms and conditions!

So I'll save us both the myther eh?

Here's a thought though. Next time you want attempt to back your own argument up with links to "stuff you read on the Internet". Take your own advice.

And finally you told me not to take any notice of things " I read on the internet". Given you said it on an Internet based message board.......

In the meantime. Oxygen, according to the Remoaner "Bring out yer dead" brigade, when we run out of it, after the drinking water, it's gonna be worth its weight in gold!

[martin_p]

I get pretty sick of all these people who (like the 'head of policy', whatever that may be) at Dover who say that this thing cannot work under the current system, so it won't work at all. If it can't work under the current system, then change the system. If the new forms take too long to fill in, then go back to the old ones. Introduce more electronic pre-completed forms. Build a system to suit the situation, rather than saying the situation has to be changed because it doesn't suit our system.

You read the article right? You know it’s HMRC who have introduced the new forms not the port of Dover? You know it’s HMRC who have reduced the customs staff ten fold not the port of Dover? So why shouldn’t someone from
The port of Dover be warning about something over which they have no control and pointing out that HMRC seem woefully unprepared?

[aggi]

You previously said,

"Well I don't want just believe things on the basis of "I read it on the internet" without considering the detail. Have you got a source (preferably an unbiased one)

Consequently , given that it's fair to say that most, not all, things end up on the Internet, particularly in modern 24 hour news environment. Any thoughts I may have will become inadmissible, according to your self appointed rules. If they were to comply I'm sure they fall foul of the "biased" terms and conditions!

So I'll save us both the myther eh?

Here's a thought though. Next time you want attempt to back your own argument up with links to "stuff you read on the Internet". Take your own advice.

And finally you told me not to take any notice of things " I read on the internet". Given you said it on an Internet based message board.......

In the meantime. Oxygen, according to the Remoaner "Bring out yer dead" brigade, when we run out of it, after the drinking water, it's gonna be worth its weight in gold!

I'm confused, I haven't posted any links to the internet or have an argument to back up (plus obviously straight after "I read it on the internet" was the caveat without considering the detail so that clearly isn't ruling all things on the internet inadmissable which ruins your rant a bit). I just want to know how an average person can benefit from Brexit. It's weird that people are so pro-Brexit but are finding this so difficult.

[dsr]

You read the article right? You know it’s HMRC who have introduced the new forms not the port of Dover? You know it’s HMRC who have reduced the customs staff ten fold not the port of Dover? So why shouldn’t someone from
The port of Dover be warning about something over which they have no control and pointing out that HMRC seem woefully unprepared?

And HMRC is under government control and should be able to do something about it. Hopefully if we do get a "no deal" then we also get a competent Prime Minister who is willing to do something about it.

[martin_p]

And HMRC is under government control and should be able to do something about it. Hopefully if we do get a "no deal" then we also get a competent Prime Minister who is willing to do something about it.

But they aren’t doing something about it and that’s the concern the people at Dover are expressing. The only thing they seem to be looking at is setting up the M20 as a car park when the chaos ensues. Of course half the problem is not knowing what will happen at the end of March. No point in employing hundreds of new customs officials if Brexit is delayed or May’s deal gets through and we enter a transition period.

[RingoMcCartney]

I'm confused, I haven't posted any links to the internet or have an argument to back up (plus obviously straight after "I read it on the internet" was the caveat without considering the detail so that clearly isn't ruling all things on the internet inadmissable which ruins your rant a bit). I just want to know how an average person can benefit from Brexit. It's weird that people are so pro-Brexit but are finding this so difficult.

Maybe because they either gonna fall foul of the "read it on the Internet " rule or, the all encompassing "biased" clause!

You've snookered us aggi.

But, your rules apply to your side too don't forget!

Oxygen, it's the future......

[aggi]

You seem inordinately proud that you just believe things that you read on the internet without considering the detail (although it does explain some of the entertaining stuff you come out with). I'm not particularly surprised though given that when I first made that comment you were totally misrepresenting a report because you'd just read something on the internet and hadn't considered the detail.

You also seem to be really struggling to give examples of how an average person can benefit from Brexit.

[martin_p]

You also seem to be really struggling to give examples of how an average person can benefit from Brexit.

Poor old Wrongo is struggling with lots of things at the moment aggi, please go easy on him. Now we’re at the ‘sharp end’ of Brexit he just can’t seem to answer questions anymore.

[Claret-On-A-T-Rex]

If the UK ran out of drinking water following a hard brexit I think the biggest danger would be the amount of Europeans who immediately die laughing.
Me being one.

[Right_winger]

If the UK ran out of drinking water following a hard brexit I think the biggest danger would be the amount of Europeans who immediately die laughing.
Me being one.

Oh what a lovely tolerant thing to say.

[Imploding Turtle]

You'll find it here

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Taken from the newstatesman-

This is where they admit it Operation Hysteria -


"Is this true?
According to the government leak, we import crucial chemicals, some of which we cannot stockpile, and it’s also highly likely that no deal would cause problems at borders. But as a former Cabinet Office source puts it to me, this tapwater story is more about Gove and the cabinet’s Brexit politics than the water industry. And a Whitehall source quoted in the Mail’s story cautioned, “This is Project Fear on steroids but it has worked on the cabinet”. There is a sense that the picture of hospitals, schools and households suddenly running dry has more basis in POLITICS than reality at the moment."



https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/u ... king-water" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Now stop pretending we weren't told wed run out of drinking water. And stop pretending it's just Team Armageddon doing what it's best at.

Now that's my daily allowance of idiot interaction used up

So what you're providing as proof that we will run out of water is actually proof that the anticipated problem has been solved and that we won't be running out of water.

Thanks for proving me right.

[Claret-On-A-T-Rex]

So what you're providing as proof that we will run out of water is actually proof that the anticipated problem has been solved and that we won't be running out of water.

Thanks for proving me right.

My favourite bit is the pro-brexit newspapers breaking the news, calling it project fear on steroids then saying it's bullsh*t.

Honestly, Monty Python's brexit gets funnier day by day, can we have another vote please? I want to change my vote to leave.

[RingoMcCartney]

So what you're providing as proof that we will run out of water is actually proof that the anticipated problem has been solved and that we won't be running out of water.

Thanks for proving me right.

No. I proved that we were fed the BS that we would run out of drinking water. You claimed we had not.

I also provided a more honest consideration of the leaked government document, in the new statesman. That showed it was simply "project fear on steroids"

Idiot.

[Imploding Turtle]

No. I proved that we were fed the BS that we would run out of drinking water. You claimed we had not.

I also provided a more honest consideration of the leaked government document, in the new statesman. That showed it was simply "project fear on steroids"

Idiot.

So we won't run out of drinking water. That's what you're saying. And that's what the articles you linked say. So when and where were we told that we will run out of drinking water? The articles you linked that you claim say we will run out of drinking water literally tell the opposite story; that we won't run out of drinking water.

This is pretty easy for most people to comprehend so i'm wondering why you're having such trouble.

Please show me where we were told that we will run out of drinking water.

[Bin Ont Turf]

It'll be reyt.

Some of you may have to change from organic veg to normal veg, and your tipple may have to be a Chilean red instead of a Frog red.

You'll live.

[RingoMcCartney]

So we won't run out of drinking water. That's what you're saying. And that's what the articles you linked say. So when and where were we told that we will run out of drinking water? The articles you linked that you claim say we will run out of drinking water literally tell the opposite story; that we won't run out of drinking water.

This is pretty easy for most people to comprehend so i'm wondering why you're having such trouble.

Please show me where we were told that we will run out of drinking water.

Last try.

The following claim we will run out of water

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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... n-13641549


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S https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/10505 ... nario-tory

The above is the public being told we'll run out of drinking water. You claimed we weren't.

Below is a more considered opinion of the leaked document.

Taken from the newstatesman-

"Is this true?
According to the government leak, we import crucial chemicals, some of which we cannot stockpile, and it’s also highly likely that no deal would cause problems at borders. But as a former Cabinet Office source puts it to me, this tapwater story is more about Gove and the cabinet’s Brexit politics than the water industry. And a Whitehall source quoted in the Mail’s story cautioned, “This is Project Fear on steroids but it has worked on the cabinet”. There is a sense that the picture of hospitals, schools and households suddenly running dry has more basis in POLITICS than reality at the moment."

The above shows the claim that we'll run out of drinking water is " project fear on steroids" and more politics, less reality.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/u" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... king-water

1 stop pretending we weren't told wed run out of drinking water.

2 And stop pretending it's just Team Armageddon doing what it's best at.

3 Stop pretending you don't understand.

[Imploding Turtle]

Last try.

The following claim we will run out of water

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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... n-13641549


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The above is the public being told we'll run out of drinking water. You claimed we weren't.

Below is a more considered opinion of the leaked document.

Taken from the newstatesman-

"Is this true?
According to the government leak, we import crucial chemicals, some of which we cannot stockpile, and it’s also highly likely that no deal would cause problems at borders. But as a former Cabinet Office source puts it to me, this tapwater story is more about Gove and the cabinet’s Brexit politics than the water industry. And a Whitehall source quoted in the Mail’s story cautioned, “This is Project Fear on steroids but it has worked on the cabinet”. There is a sense that the picture of hospitals, schools and households suddenly running dry has more basis in POLITICS than reality at the moment."

The above shows the claim that we'll run out of drinking water is " project fear on steroids" and more politics, less reality.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/u" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... king-water

1 stop pretending we weren't told wed run out of drinking water.

2 And stop pretending it's just Team Armageddon doing what it's best at.

3 Stop pretending you don't understand.

But every one of those articles says that we won't run out of water. They say we could under a certain set of circumstances, a set of circumstances that have not been ruled out, but none of them say that we will.

We could also run out of drinking water if all the water suddenly decides to evaporate here and rain down in Brazil. That isn't me saying that it WILL happen though.

[CrosspoolClarets]

By “benefit” does the OP mean the old way of defining it, I.e. financially? Or a broader measure?

The latter is easy to answer, though the benefits are in the eye of the beholder, a personal choice.

The former is harder, but I could still come up with 10 things. It depends on politicians though, and on the location and working sector of the person.

Let’s not pretend there aren’t many reasons to leave and many reasons to stay.

[RingoMcCartney]

But every one of those articles says that we won't run out of water. They say we could under a certain set of circumstances, a set of circumstances that have not been ruled out, but none of them say that we will.

We could also run out of drinking water if all the water suddenly decides to evaporate here and rain down in Brazil. That isn't me saying that it WILL happen though.

You failed.

Troll on.......

[martin_p]

By “benefit” does the OP mean the old way of defining it, I.e. financially? Or a broader measure?

The latter is easy to answer, though the benefits are in the eye of the beholder, a personal choice.

The former is harder, but I could still come up with 10 things. It depends on politicians though, and on the location and working sector of the person.

Let’s not pretend there aren’t many reasons to leave and many reasons to stay.

I think the OP may have been looking for concrete examples.

[Rowls]

Not at all Rowls, what would be the point of that?

Just pointing out that one person is perfectly qualified to do impact economic assessments for the Uk, and one person isn't.

Thank you kindly.

It’s true - none of *my* economic forecasts have ever turned out to be a pile of trash.

I’m blushing.

[CrosspoolClarets]

I think the OP may have been looking for concrete examples.

I think you’re missing the point Martin.

Concrete examples can only relate to the person concerned, and we don’t know the situation. There are ways he could benefit from no deal, similarly if Brexit goes well with a good deal.

e.g. if he wants to buy a house and house prices crash, he would benefit.
If he works for a company who trades only with the US, and we reduce tariffs, he would benefit.

Of course, if it was a rhetorical fishing trip to imply there are no benefits, it was a silly one. If it was a genuine question, as I said, it depends.

[Lancasterclaret]

Thing is, and this is what genuinely confuses me

Dsr is an accountant. Part of the job is budgeting and stuff based on information that is available.

Clearly he can do that for his job, but he can't understand when people do it for Brexit. I don't get that.

Rowls, I'm sure you economic forecasts would be as reliable as mine!

[Rowls]

Not at all Rowls, what would be the point of that?

Just pointing out that one person is perfectly qualified to do impact economic assessments for the Uk, and one person isn't.

It would appear though, that you are conflating and -for some reason- comparing a person making economic forecasts for a nation with me explaining to inchy how *some* people make money playing the stock markets.

They’re not in any way the same thing, you réalisé?

[Lancasterclaret]

Of course.

I'm merely pointing out that a bloke whose job it is to provide economic forecasts for the good of the UK is being poo-pooed because he happens to be saying something that doesn't fit in with what Brexiteers want him to say.

its nothing new like, we've had two years of this, but perhaps I naively thought that with the weight of evidence, forecasts and experts telling everyone what a bad idea this is that it might have changed some minds.

I'm just glad that people have accepted that we are going to take a hit to be honest. Some realism is desperately required and this is a start.

[CrosspoolClarets]

I’m also an accountant Lancs.

Last night I skimmed through both 100 page reports.

They both made some sense. Some good comments. However, there was a small pessimism bias in there (new trade deals in the Treasury one with more than a dozen countries including the US only boosting GDP by 0.2% - really?). The Bank was clear that it’s worst case scenario was to stress test, and couldn’t happen, too improbable.

The cleverness though was in making the meaty report sensible but the media sound bites gloomy. The lazy folk who just moan about others moaning about experts get this wrong. Nobody is saying the experts are thick. They are saying that experts who mix in political circles have a degree of bias (Carney has deliberately not clarified the wrong headlines this morning such as The Times). It is hugely naive not to believe that (and yes, I believe Lyons and others are biased the other way too, I have long since said the truth is down the middle).

P.s. I saw another poll out tonight, Europe Elects I think. No Deal 52% Remain 48%. I’m not a fan of no deal but I don’t take well to blackmail, there are some twists and turns still to go yet. May is doing her best to kill off her party for good.

[Lancasterclaret]

However, there was a small pessimism bias in there (new trade deals in the Treasury one with more than a dozen countries including the US only boosting GDP by 0.2% - really?)

Er, you've missed out the best bit of that one Crosspool. Not like you!

The report assumes that we sign all these trade deals with a list of countries that other people would call "ambitious". I'd call it "extremely unrealistic" and its vague on the timescale and its defo slanted as positively as possible about the feasibility of it. (amazing though that may sound)

[Lancasterclaret]

P.s. I saw another poll out tonight, Europe Elects I think. No Deal 52% Remain 48%. I’m not a fan of no deal but I don’t take well to blackmail,

I kicked off at someone on here for saying he'd vote "No Deal" because he doesn't like getting called names.

If we vote for something based on stuff that people should really have learnt how to deal with at school, then we are in a world of trouble.

[CrosspoolClarets]

I kicked off at someone on here for saying he'd vote "No Deal" because he doesn't like getting called names.

If we vote for something based on stuff that people should really have learnt how to deal with at school, then we are in a world of trouble.

That IS something I learned at school (one of the few things). Don’t get blackmailed.

May has deliberately tried to coerce the public and Parliament to accept her deal by delaying, delaying, and then offering no deal with zero preparation as the binary choice. If her deal was in any way good, she would never have used those tactics. That tells me all I need to know. No deal will be a short term problem, far from desirable, but we can solve it. Her deal is handcuffs for 20 years. It is morally and intellectually the only way to go now (unless we get rid of her and the EU offer something else).

[Lancasterclaret]

Not one MP wants a No Deal. Not one.

The list of experts who want a No Deal is also very short.

"Short term damage" is such a bullshit term btw. Its unnecessary damage because people are refusing to accept reality.

You have to face reality at some stage Crosspool. Now would be a good time to start.

[martin_p]

That IS something I learned at school (one of the few things). Don’t get blackmailed.

May has deliberately tried to coerce the public and Parliament to accept her deal by delaying, delaying, and then offering no deal with zero preparation as the binary choice. If her deal was in any way good, she would never have used those tactics. That tells me all I need to know. No deal will be a short term problem, far from desirable, but we can solve it. Her deal is handcuffs for 20 years. It is morally and intellectually the only way to go now (unless we get rid of her and the EU offer something else).

What kind of morality and is intellect argues that because he doesn’t like the way someone has gone about something the whole country should be punished economically. By the way, this ‘short term’ you talk about shows us being significantly behind where we could be in 15 years and no one as yet predicted when we’ll catch up to what we would have remaining in the EU. In fact the only person I’ve heard having a go is über Brexiteer Jacob Rees-Mogg who predicted 50 years!

[Rowls]

Rowls, I'm sure you economic forecasts would be as reliable as mine!

This is very probably true.

I remember reading an article which demonstrated that random chance was a better predictor of markets than financial experts.

Mark Carney, unfortunately, has a poor record when it comes to making predictions on Brexit which clouds how people view his current prediction. The other thing is that if you predict recession often enough, you'll be right one day just like the fable of the broken clock.

[Rowls]

I'm merely pointing out that a bloke whose job it is to provide economic forecasts for the good of the UK is being poo-pooed because he happens to be saying something that doesn't fit in with what Brexiteers want him to say.

I think the "poo-pooing" is more because Mark Carney predicted that even a Brexit vote would cause an instant recession. He was waaaay off target then so it's natural of people to be sceptical when he makes a very similar prediction about a no-deal scenario.

PS: It's pooh-pooh! Never 'poo-poo' a pooh-pooh and certainly don't pooh-pooh a poo-poo.

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[Greenmile]

What kind of morality and is intellect argues that because he doesn’t like the way someone has gone about something the whole country should be punished economically...

The same kind of morality and intellect that once said (and I’m paraphrasing from memory here, but it’s close enough), “if the bullets start flying again in Ireland, then so be it”.

ie a “morality” and intellect so warped by a fanatical view of Brexit that it’s perfectly happy to see innocent folk die as long as it gets its own way.

[Inchy]

So after two pages worth of replies, most of them not relevant to the question, I can assume that there isn’t really any ways an average joe can make money out of Brexit.



I might start a thread asking how much money might I lose due to Brexit

[Dy1geo]

One way the average person can benefit from Brexit is when they buy alcohol in EU airports as they will pay the cheaper non flying in the EU price

[Lancasterclaret]

I think the "poo-pooing" is more because Mark Carney predicted that even a Brexit vote would cause an instant recession. He was waaaay off target then so it's natural of people to be sceptical when he makes a very similar prediction about a no-deal scenario.

And if it was only Carney saying it, and lots of people saying something different, you'd have a point.

As everyone is saying it, you really don't.

Its back to the point I made. Because he's not saying what you want, you are poo-pooing it.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Not one MP wants a No Deal. Not one.

The list of experts who want a No Deal is also very short.

"Short term damage" is such a bullshit term btw. Its unnecessary damage because people are refusing to accept reality.

You have to face reality at some stage Crosspool. Now would be a good time to start.

Got to pick you up on that one Lancs.

100 Tories have now said they will vote against May’s deal. Many have said no deal would be far better, though a transition to a normal FTA would be far better still.

Nobody “wants” no deal. But people like you are exaggerating the impact, either through blind panic or not understanding the variables.