Those were the days. Back when Charlie Taylor was still a wee nipper and couldn't cause chaos in our defence.Hibsclaret wrote:Really.....
Grimsby 6 Burnley 5 anyone....
BS
Wrong. Our Directors don't get paid anything.kentonclaret wrote:Asking supporters "who they would sign" and "which manager would you appoint" is irrelevant and a cop out since the manager of the football club and the Directors in charge get a huge wedge of money for taking those decisions.
No, that's statistical cherry picking to suit your agenda.joey13 wrote:2 wins in 19 is a good factual reason
Cherry picking what’s happening nowIAmAClaret wrote:No, that's statistical cherry picking to suit your agenda.
How about winning the championship, staying up and a 7th place finish in 3 years?
Leisure wrote:Wrong. Our Directors don't get paid anything.
Ffs it’s HendRICK....Lord Beamish wrote:I don’t see any blame being laid at the door of the Manager here, just a lot of dancing around the Elephant in the Room; the Manager.
He bought Hart. I don’t buy that he’s part of the problem, but Dyche bought him.
Blaming Taylor for our defensive woes is p1ss weak, at best.
The Europe thing is reasonable enough, but we had plenty of time to prepare for Europe. We knew we were guaranteed Premier League Football by the end of January, and we sealed Europe with games to spare.
Defour and Brady’s fitness were known factors during the summer, and the failure to play either in formations that suit them speak’s volumes about Dyche. As does his persistence in playing Hendricks out of position, again and again.
And as for Palace’s £130k a week man; He wasn’t even in the squad today.
Palace were in poor form, especially at home, and we made ‘em look like World Beaters.
One can only make excuses about our poor form for so long whilst skipping around the idea that the blame might actually lie at the Manager’s feet.
I’m aware of that. I was highlighting how you were avoiding actually naming the source of the problem.Hibsclaret wrote:
I actually said Hart should not have been bought, assuming you can read
What he has done for the Club since he joined. Two promotions, 23 games undefeated in a very very difficult Division, remaining in the best league in the World for 2 seasons... what more do you want?Alanstevensonsgloves wrote:Over that time have convinced you that SD is the person to stop the rot?
I’ll try to be civil.Lord Beamish wrote:I’m aware of that. I was highlighting how you were avoiding actually naming the source of the problem.
And try being civil. I am with you.
How do you know that Hart is on any more than, let’s any, Mee? I suspect he’s only one of our top paid players, not THE top paid player. As for managing players with big egos, I think he managed Mr Ego himself, Joey Barton, quite happily.Hibsclaret wrote:I’ll try to be civil.
I’m not suggesting the manager has not made mistakes...
We finished 7th 6 months ago.
Finishing 7th for a team expecting to be between 16th and 20th brings new challenges
We buy a player with 2 championship medals rather than good championship players
This means we have one player on a lot more bonce than everyone else
This means the manager has to learn with (probably) bigger ego players than he has ever had
All this whilst dealing with a European campaign and a bodged pre season
We have had injuries to our best 2 outfield players and our 50 cap left back
Other teams including clubs arguably similar size to ourself have moved forward on wages (hence the Palace example, I was referring to Zaha on 130k and he played today)
The last 6 months have been a learning curve for Dyche but the constant negativity of fans does not help.
I’m sorry, but unless you know for definite, then you are flying a kite about Hart’s wages and his status as our Top Paid Player. And, even if he was, another kite is being flown as to whether or not that is a cause of unrest that is instrumental in our poor form. Form which has been poor from before Hart signed, btw.Hibsclaret wrote:Barton came in on the same money as everyone else for a start. With all due respect to Barton he never won the league twice. Hart is our top earner.
I agree that he has made mistakes in the transfer market but you can’t stop people like scotty leaving and you can’t tempt other than top championship players to play for us on 30k. It can’t be easy when the likes of Palace are paying much more.
We weren’t far away against the geordies
I’m just going to eat my cache. Yum yumLord Beamish wrote:I’m sorry, but unless you know for definite, then you are flying a kite about Hart’s wages and his status as our Top Paid Player. And, even if he was, another kite is being flown as to whether or not that is a cause of unrest that is instrumental in our poor form. Form which has been poor from before Hart signed, btw.
Stopping Scotty leaving wasn’t the issue. It was the failure to get anadequate replacement. You can’t have your cache and eat in on Hart’s wages. If we can afford to bust the bage structure for him, then we can wrangle it at least to get a good replacement for Arfield. We did neither.
As for Monday’s game, we were lucky that Benitez stuck with Rondon so long. He killed nearly every quick break they had after they took the lead. If they’d have had a decent quick break in them, we’d have been dead an buried by the hour mark.
We might have deserved a draw, but we we could not complain about losing.
Sorry. The keyboard on my iPad ain’t the best.Hibsclaret wrote:I’m just going to eat my cache. Yum yum
Very droll.Hibsclaret wrote:Much like your opinions on our great manager
I understand that......but the Alternetive I'm sure will be grim. The Man has built something special.RocketLawnChair wrote:The first Five years with my ex wife were wonderful the last 12 months were ******* horrendous but no way was I putting up with it indefinitely becaause of the first five years.
Happily married now!tim_noone wrote:I understand that......but the Alternetive I'm sure will be grim. The Man has built something special.
okay, so who replaces him ?SmudgetheClaret wrote:SD himself openly says it's a results driven business and our results have been poor so fans are perfectly within their rights to shout for action or change, it's ok promoting honour but then finding yourself back in the CS..
Hello, IAmAClaret.IAmAClaret wrote:I used too think we were different, people with morals, respect and trust.
But, like those before us, the Premier League and the media hype suck it right out of the minority...and the minority are always loudest (and usually idiots (usually = not all)).
Hopefully, Sean will sort it and we will see the Burnley of old on Wednesday.
No problem with that at all. Utterly sympathise with his view. It's turning up and adding to the problem which is the issue for mejrgbfc wrote:To suggest it's just the part time fans who are fed up is just plain wrong. My Dad has had his season ticket since the early 90s. Always renewed without question, never missed a game, never leaves early no matter what and he is that fed up he isn't bothering on Wednesday.
If we went down, as a matter of interest, how many managers do you think have survived 2 (two) relegations. I'm not saying we will go down but do you really genuinely think we should stick by a manager who has given us 3 good years out of 5 but two relegations? Give him time to sort things out by all means but I am not into blind loyalty, his tenure at Burnley has been great but not without it's problems, including the last 12 months nearly.RalphCoatesComb wrote:Many of the ne'er do wells have merely jumped on the Clarets Premier League Bandwagon. They'll disappear when we return to The Championship.
YES! We're going through rough times but Sean Dyche is the person to bring us safely out the other end.
Absolutely top post mate. I too am getting heartily sick of the so-called fans on here who name-call others for daring to suggest that Dyche isn't the second coming. I'm all for giving him more time but I'm NOT into getting relegated with him in charge (again). Sometimes good marriages end, it happens, and maybe if this carries on it is time for a divorce (but not just yet).randomclaret2 wrote:Speaking as someoone with morals and respect , I am heartily fed up with the dross our fantastically well paid manager and players are consistently serving up. And no , I havent only been supporting the club for 10 years. Oh the irony of lambasting other fans who dare to criticise as "crass" or " idiots " or " ne'er do wells " . A little bit of respect for fellow supporters who hold a different opinion wouldnt go amiss.
At the moment if we come out of Wednesday with 4-0 defeat it will be a job well done. To be honest with the form we are in I am terrified of what might happen to us.buzzclarets79 wrote:Here come the happy clappers with their heads in the sand. Everything is fine down at Burnley FC. Let’s not forget the Orient game, or we finished 7th last year. Can’t wait for Liverpool come Wednesday night as it’s going to be a joy to watch.
Hi Boss. You and I go back a long time to the trenches of the Telegraph and the cancer-like Keano (or whatever the hell he calls himself these days) and I can see where you are coming from. But I too am finding myself more than a little concerned at what Dyche is or isn't doing at the moment. I don't want him sacked yet, I'd give him more time (as I have said many times probably until February after a decent stab at the window). But I just don't get this blind loyalty that some have, you know the 'we must never under any circumstances criticise our manager because he has been great for us' people. Yes, he has been great but the operative word here is 'has', he hasn't been great for nearly a year and has previously got us relegated so his success has to be measured against his failures and as such he still has some credit in the bank, just.Bosscat wrote:Having left the Lancashire Blackburnegraph for the very same problem and finding certain posters (different names same sh*t) I am finding it increasingly difficult to contain my anger about the vitriol posted.
We are going through a bad period and struggling on (& off) the field of play for various reasons. But I cannot lay all the blame at SD 's door, there are many factors and the players have to stand up now and be counted.
I like Tom Heaton and would love to have him back in between the posts, but his vocalising in the dressing room of his displeasure, has disrupted a team that we all know has been one mind, one body, one goal for the past 5 seasons.
Joe Hart is a fine keeper at what he does well but .... he doesn't command his troops in the way Tom (Nick) does.
Perhaps its time to get back to basics.
One game at a time.
All pull in one direction.....
AND THAT MEANS US IN THE STANDS TOO.
GET BEHIND THE BLOODY TEAM AND STOP YOUR BICKERING ....
WE ARE BURNLEY.
Come on you PL Clarets
Funny that the likes of yourself find it ok to slag off fellow supporters just because they have a different opinionWile E Coyote wrote:forget the pathetic calls for more singing, when you attend a match at Turf Moor, you are unfortunately surrounded by idiots and truly stupid people with not the faintest idea of insight or loyalty to a great manager. These clowns are everywhere now, dressed in colours, but they are clueless about football.
Echo this, don't think I've met anyone who attends our games that actually want Sean Dyche out.Buxtonclaret wrote:Honestly think two or three of the newer posters constantly wanting SD sacked aren't actually Clarets.
cav wrote:Echo this, don't think I've met anyone who attends our games that actually want Sean Dyche out.
I'm personally not at the point where I want rid of SD but I do accept that prem status is far more important than blind loyalty..Wile E Coyote wrote:okay, so who replaces him ?
after all that inane waffle, you are basically saying sack him next month unless we beat liverpool tomorrow.jlup1980 wrote:We have fans at both end of the spectrum.
There are those who have their heads firmly in the sand. Those who think the sun shines out of Sean's behind and he could stay here forever and a day without ever being questioned.
There are also those who have made disrespectful comments about a manager who's brought our club some unbelievable moments over the past 6 years. Those who were a bit too quick to start the Dyche Out comments.
I guess the majority are a bit like me though. I appreciate everything Sean has done for the club and I genuinely want him to turn things around, starting on Wednesday night. However, I also look at the past 12 months and think the likelihood of us suddenly hitting form is less and less likely by the game. Therefore the board have a decision to make.
Are they happy to sleepwalk into the Championship off the back of 12 months of poor performances OR do they want to fight for our PL status? That could be achieved by either backing Sean seriously in January, and I mean 30 million plus, or by replacing him if they believe it's the right choice. Either way, something has to give.
Can't disagree with much of this,but can you see the board splashing 30 million plus in the next window,i can't whoever is the man in charge.jlup1980 wrote:We have fans at both end of the spectrum.
There are those who have their heads firmly in the sand. Those who think the sun shines out of Sean's behind and he could stay here forever and a day without ever being questioned.
There are also those who have made disrespectful comments about a manager who's brought our club some unbelievable moments over the past 6 years. Those who were a bit too quick to start the Dyche Out comments.
I guess the majority are a bit like me though. I appreciate everything Sean has done for the club and I genuinely want him to turn things around, starting on Wednesday night. However, I also look at the past 12 months and think the likelihood of us suddenly hitting form is less and less likely by the game. Therefore the board have a decision to make.
Are they happy to sleepwalk into the Championship off the back of 12 months of poor performances OR do they want to fight for our PL status? That could be achieved by either backing Sean seriously in January, and I mean 30 million plus, or by replacing him if they believe it's the right choice. Either way, something has to give.