Our greatest living player

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Re: Our greatest living player

Post by The Enclosure » Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:49 am

One of our greatest full back pairings.
John Angus and Alex Elder.
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Re: Our greatest living player

Post by The Enclosure » Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:59 am

Bfc wrote:Ashingtonclaret46, whenever I read your articles, you come across as someone like me, as far as having seen Burnley from the early fifties and having many fond memories to look back on.
John as you probably know was a very good golfer. Do you know if he still plays?.
I remember talking to him at one the re union dinners at the Turf and mentioned spending quite a bit of time bird watching around Northumberland. John said I was welcome to call in and have cup of tea anytime I was up there. I think he was living in Amble then.
I spent about 15 minutes with John one morning drinking coffee together at my golf club.He was meeting up with John Connelly who was also a member at Nelson for a round of golf.
A really unassuming lovely man to chat to and it was lovely to meet one of my BFC heroes from when I started watching the Clarets and talk about other great players in the team of that era.
Seem to remember that he still had a single figure handicap.It was probably 7 or 8 years ago so unsure if he is still playing golf,I expect like most footballers the knees start to stiffen up as the years go by.
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Re: Our greatest living player

Post by ashtonlongsider » Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:00 am

Very difficult question to answer and obviously subjective and choices will vary depending on age. Suppose the older we are, the more choice we have. 3 names immediately spring to mind for me. Trevor Steven is the most gifted young player I've seen player for us, however his potential and greatest success came when he moved to Everton. The next is Willie Irvine. I'm partly thinking about how he'd fit in to the present set up and bring much needed goals on a consistent basis. However, as for greatest, I'd have to plum for Brian O'Neil, what we wouldn't give for a modern day version. Just what were lacking. A strong tackling midfielder driving the team forward.
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Re: Our greatest living player

Post by Bfc » Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:32 am

Ashingtonclaret46, the first game I can recollect going on was the Man Utd 5-3 cup game, stood on the Beehole behind the goal. I missed the first goal because I was so small compared to everyone else stood around me. My dad lifted me onto his shoulders for the rest of the game.
Would you ask John if it’s true he only played the 1 game v Austria (A) (as left back and Miller right half),because he wasn’t interested in playing for England. In my mind he was a far better player than Jimmy Armfield, who as you know was an England first choice and others who were picked instead.

I’m not sure whether it was Bobby Charlton who said, him and his brother Jack were fishing near Ashington and were talking about past times as kids, when they mentioned John and having not seen or heard much of him. Shortly after Bobby bumped into John and mentioned they had recently been fishing and said they’d not seen him about. John replied “yes I saw you both fishing while I was having a walk” and John had just walked on past them.
See if he remembers little Arthur (Duck) Duckworth who worked in the workshops at Bank Hall pit. Every player working at the pit knew Arthur, who went to all the games inc European Cup away legs.

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Re: Our greatest living player

Post by Better Call Saul » Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:40 am

Our greatest living player.
BRIAN O'NEIL
Sadly not seen on any of the large pictures outside the Turf.
Unbelievable!
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Re: Our greatest living player

Post by Blackrod » Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:02 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Seriously though, while the most talented is probably Robbie Blake, i think Mike Duff is more deserving of the "greatest" title. But i think it depends on your criteria for choosing.
Of course these players were more ' talented ' and 'greater' than players that played consistently in the top flight teams of the 60s and 70s :roll:

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Re: Our greatest living player

Post by bfcjg » Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:19 pm

Yaya Toure . :)
Past their prime when signed but Gasgoine and Ian Wright.
All time Dobson or James can't split them

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Re: Our greatest living player

Post by Adrianthepostman » Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:47 pm

Adrian Randall
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Re: Our greatest living player

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:11 pm

Better Call Saul wrote:Our greatest living player.
BRIAN O'NEIL
Sadly not seen on any of the large pictures outside the Turf.
Unbelievable!
I couldn't believe that either.

But we do have Trevor Steven who played in a lower division and less than half the games that the Bedlington Terrier played for us.

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Re: Our greatest living player

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:13 pm

ashtonlongsider wrote:However, as for greatest, I'd have to plum for Brian O'Neil, what we wouldn't give for a modern day version. Just what were lacking. A strong tackling midfielder driving the team forward.
And his goal against Stepney was one of the best EVER at t'Turf !

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Re: Our greatest living player

Post by Joe14 » Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:06 pm

Glen Little

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Re: Our greatest living player

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:28 pm

Aclaret wrote:I go along with O'Neil.
Any day of the week for me - brilliant player

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Re: Our greatest living player

Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:35 pm

Brady!

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Re: Our greatest living player

Post by Ashingtonclaret46 » Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:40 pm

".......See if he remembers little Arthur (Duck) Duckworth who worked in the workshops at Bank Hall pit. Every player working at the pit knew Arthur, who went to all the games inc European Cup away legs."

Bfc ---I won't be back in Northumberland until the start of 2019, however, I will certainly try to remember to pose the question when I next see John.

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Re: Our greatest living player

Post by Aclaret » Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:48 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Any day of the week for me - brilliant player
Just wish the younger generations could see what he was like, I was only a youngster myself in the 60s but he was such a great player.

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Re: Our greatest living player

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:53 pm

Aclaret wrote:Just wish the younger generations could see what he was like, I was only a youngster myself in the 60s but he was such a great player.
You can't even begin to describe how good he was. Unbelievable player. Sadly not very well these days.

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Re: Our greatest living player

Post by Ashingtonclaret46 » Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:59 pm

ClaretTony wrote:You can't even begin to describe how good he was. Unbelievable player. Sadly not very well these days.
He was at school with my brother-in-law and they were good friends until Brian left to go to Burnley and my brother-in-law, also Brian, joined the RAF.
He was a smashing player in an era when we had quite a few to eulogise over!

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Re: Our greatest living player

Post by Rodleydave » Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:10 pm

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Re: Our greatest living player

Post by Rodleydave » Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:28 pm

Brian O Neil, oh what we would give for someone like him in midfield today.

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Re: Our greatest living player

Post by Longsidelenny » Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:29 pm

All about personal choice mine bye a country mile Trevor Steven pure class

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Re: Our greatest living player

Post by Buxtonclaret » Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:33 pm

Better Call Saul wrote:Our greatest living player.
BRIAN O'NEIL
Sadly not seen on any of the large pictures outside the Turf.
Unbelievable!
There were a few comments on a big Brian pic not being up on the wall.
As you say, unbelievable.

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Re: Our greatest living player

Post by mikeS » Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:37 pm

Sir Les Thompson
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Re: Our greatest living player

Post by joey13 » Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:21 pm

elwaclaret wrote:In my time Martain Dobson Head and shoulders above any both as a player and a role model
Head and Shoulders surely should be Joe Hart

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Re: Our greatest living player

Post by Steve1956 » Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:23 pm

HiroshimaClaret wrote:I challenge you sir, to a duel!
Why?

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Re: Our greatest living player

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:07 pm

Better Call Saul wrote:Our greatest living player.
BRIAN O'NEIL
Sadly not seen on any of the large pictures outside the Turf.
Unbelievable!
He was the one player I voted for who didn't make it onto the list and he wasn't even next one from that era with Andy Lochhead beating him.

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Re: Our greatest living player

Post by HiroshimaClaret » Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:16 am

Steve1956 wrote:Why?
Mentioning Joyce in the same sentence as ADRIAN RANDALL is borderline heresy!!!!!! :x

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Re: Our greatest living player

Post by Steve1956 » Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:25 am

HiroshimaClaret wrote:Mentioning Joyce in the same sentence as ADRIAN RANDALL is borderline heresy!!!!!! :x
:lol:

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Re: Our greatest living player

Post by Hipper » Sat Dec 15, 2018 11:16 am

I don't think any of today's players can be considered as they haven't played long enough at the top level for Burnley. For example, Defour may be brilliant on his day, and undoubtedly was at other clubs, but he's only really had a few good months with us.

I agree with John Angus, with Alex Elder a second choice. Both served the club a long time at the top level.

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Re: Our greatest living player

Post by HiroshimaClaret » Sat Dec 15, 2018 11:33 am

I agree there has to be some Claret longevity. A tough one but for me in my `in person`, week in week out experience (45 year old)...Steve Davis.

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Re: Our greatest living player

Post by Tread Warily » Sat Dec 15, 2018 11:39 am

Tom Heaton (A wasted talent) and Nick Pope,following in his footsteps.

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Re: Our greatest living player

Post by Lord Rothbury » Sat Dec 15, 2018 12:24 pm

Colin McDonald would possibly have been Burnley's greatest ever player but for injury.

Colin played 6 times for England including 4 WC appearances he was considered by some to be of such quality that he would have been a regular for England many years including the 62 WC.

Colin was in the Rosegrove Unity Club about 18 mths ago and looked well.

Other to mention Angus ,Elder,Dobson Morgan,James,O'Neil and the Ginger Pele would have been on if he was still here.

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Re: Our greatest living player

Post by SussexDon1inIreland » Sat Dec 15, 2018 1:44 pm

Dobbo Taffy or Defour

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Re: Our greatest living player

Post by claret_tyke » Sat Dec 15, 2018 2:02 pm

the Beddlington terrier Brian Oneil

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