Stoke looking for a new manager

[ClaretTony]

Stoke looked so well run for so long. Always brought in the same kind of players and it worked. When we went there at the end of last season their fans were saying it was losing the Bardsley & Walters type players that had changed things for the worst. Their summer 2017 recruitment cost them.

[EarbyClaret]

Always feel the Pulis 'imprint' is all over Stoke - probably because it's associated with by far their most successful period of recent times. Allardyce would be a perfect fit for them. In addition to the money they've banked from the PL they are cash-rich from the backing of the Coates family.

If he took over think they'd be a shoe-in for the play-offs. Moyes would be a decent appointment but don't think he'd have quite the same immediate impact. Nathan Jones would be a bold statement but what (little) I've seen of Luton suggests he'd need to be given time to introduce his own brand of football and the current squad would need a complete overhaul - which isn't going to happen in this window.

I quite like Stoke, probably because I have a number of friends who are fans. Proper club. Often eventful away-day. Would much rather see them in the PL than say Watford (for geographical reasons) or Brighton (because I don't like them).

[jrgbfc]

Exactly the hunger isn't there from the Stoke players,on paper they should be in the play-off berths at least.

It's not easy to get out of the Championship just ask Villa fans they are in their 3rd successive Championship campaign,and are by no means certain to be promoted this time either.

Villa are another team who signed to many ageing players, certainly under Bruce. You need some younger legs in there, our first promotion under Dyche we had the likes of Ings, Trippier, Mee and Arfield, all relatively young lads who'd been rejected elsewhere and had a burning desire to prove themselves.

[ClaretTony]

Reports this morning that it is likely to be Nathan Jones

[kentonclaret]

Not great timing for Luton on the eve of their big match at Sunderland this weekend.

If Nathan Jones goes so probably does the chance of promotion and a top 2 finish.

[ClaretTony]

Not great timing for Luton on the eve of their big match at Sunderland this weekend.

If Nathan Jones goes so probably does the chance of promotion and a top 2 finish.

Done a good job at Luton, was a surprise appointment at the time having been a coach at Brighton.

[Cheshireclaret]

Not great timing for Luton on the eve of their big match at Sunderland this weekend.

If Nathan Jones goes so probably does the chance of promotion and a top 2 finish.

I have a number of mates who are Hatters fans and they are gutted at the prospect of him leaving. I am trying to console them with the fact that around 14 months ago, Dyche was all but off to Everton in some quarters of the media and in betting markets, with some journalists almost acting like his agent(!) but I do sympathise with them after those weeks of uncertainty and speculation surrounding our very own club in 2017.

[Papabendi]

Reports this morning that it is likely to be Nathan Jones

He's been gone too long

[houseboy]

If I was Dyche, and I’m not, I’d be looking very hard at this job role.

Don't quite understand the logic behind this. If you were Dyche you would have to look at the possibilities. Which is more likely? Stoke getting promoted or Burnley getting relegated? Burnleys form of late has improved for whatever reason and a win against Fulham would put us in a decent fighting position. I certainly don't think we are the no-hopers of a month ago now. And it's not just the results it's the performances. Stoke have an uphill battle to achieve the play-offs, especially given the teams above them, and even if they did do that the play-offs are a lottery, and barring a miracle of biblical proportions they ain't gonna get automatic promotion.

I think on balance you would have to take the bird in the hand view and say the best chance of being in the PL next season is with Burnley, so why make the move?

[Danieljwaterhouse]

Don't quite understand the logic behind this. If you were Dyche you would have to look at the possibilities. Which is more likely? Stoke getting promoted or Burnley getting relegated? Burnleys form of late has improved for whatever reason and a win against Fulham would put us in a decent fighting position. I certainly don't think we are the no-hopers of a month ago now. And it's not just the results it's the performances. Stoke have an uphill battle to achieve the play-offs, especially given the teams above them, and even if they did do that the play-offs are a lottery, and barring a miracle of biblical proportions they ain't gonna get automatic promotion.

I think on balance you would have to take the bird in the hand view and say the best chance of being in the PL next season is with Burnley, so why make the move?

I don’t disagree with your points, I’m not suggesting he’d look at this because it represents a better opportunity to be a Premier League manager next year.

It’s the club and it’s structure I’d be lured by. I’m a proven manager at that level, I’ve achieved promotion twice, and I am known to be a great motivator and man manager. I’m possibly not going to get an Everton/Leicester/West Ham job (Moyes et al have closed this up for the time being) from the Burnley job as I’m becoming typecast as a battler etc. So do I step back into a proven club that is realistically 10 years ahead of Burnley and take it forward into the Premier League and be backed by a Chairman. Hopefully I’ll be 6/7/8th consistently and prove that I’ve got the ability to manage a middle club before taking a crack at either a Tottenham or England job in the next 5-10 years.

If I’m Dyche, this is how I’m thinking. I’m not Dyche btw but I do plan my career ahead as I’m sure he does. He’s been a big investor in himself and his msmgement team throughout.

[Archer]

But they wouldn’t be 6-8th consistently.

[houseboy]

I don’t disagree with your points, I’m not suggesting he’d look at this because it represents a better opportunity to be a Premier League manager next year.

It’s the club and it’s structure I’d be lured by. I’m a proven manager at that level, I’ve achieved promotion twice, and I am known to be a great motivator and man manager. I’m possibly not going to get an Everton/Leicester/West Ham job (Moyes et al have closed this up for the time being) from the Burnley job as I’m becoming typecast as a battler etc. So do I step back into a proven club that is realistically 10 years ahead of Burnley and take it forward into the Premier League and be backed by a Chairman. Hopefully I’ll be 6/7/8th consistently and prove that I’ve got the ability to manage a middle club before taking a crack at either a Tottenham or England job in the next 5-10 years.

If I’m Dyche, this is how I’m thinking. I’m not Dyche btw but I do plan my career ahead as I’m sure he does. He’s been a big investor in himself and his msmgement team throughout.

Good points but I don't think that Stoke are either that much bigger than us as a club nor do I agree that they are 10 years ahead of us (where have we heard that one before). They were truly awful last season and failure to gain promotion this time would possibly see an exodus of their decent players, which would mean an almost complete re-build. That doesn't happen overnight, even WITH money, which could then mean yet another season in the Championship. To be fair to Stoke they are patient (normally) with managers but only if they can see forward movement, so two years on and no promotion would make Dyche's job very tenuous. Of course by then Burnley may themselves have been relegated (or not) making the decision less of a bad one (or vice versa). I'm certainly not convinced that a move to Stoke would be in Dyche's best interest but only time would tell, but in the meantime Burnley do look the better bet.

[aggi]

Stoke looked so well run for so long. Always brought in the same kind of players and it worked. When we went there at the end of last season their fans were saying it was losing the Bardsley & Walters type players that had changed things for the worst. Their summer 2017 recruitment cost them.

I think part of the issue is that Hughes doesn't really have a particular ethos. He came in to improve the style of play but mainly spent plenty of money on a variety of players that didn't fit any particular profile and often were heading downwards rather than upwards. The same happened at Southampton but much quicker.

[MrTopTier]

Good appointment, plays football the right way and is someone who is working his way up the football ladder. Also isn’t a Moyes, BFS or Pardew appointment, so another plus. If he gets the time Pulis and Hughes got he will do well.