Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020

[Greenmile]

Taffy on the wing - don’t you know that in a few months time we won’t be able to vote again? We’ll be tied in to the EU with no possible escape. Start learning German, as your tax will be heading for Frankfurt. Thanks !!

Are we part of the EU now? Does everyone have to speak German? No? Then why post such ludicrous nonsense.

Apologies if the quoted post is a parody - Poe’s Law May apply.

[AndrewJB]

Don’t you realize that this prevarication is playing into the hands of the EU? A few more months & we’ll be eternally bound in any case & the referendum will be no more than dust. Can’t wait for our economy being run from Frankfurt - thanks for remoaning, I’m sure that our grandchildren will honour you for your lilly livered motives!!!

Bit of project fear.

Just over a month to go, and here we are. Utter shambles by the government, and now looks as though a second vote is the only way to end the deadlock.

[RingoMcCartney]

Disgraced Labour MP Fiona Onasanya released from prison after less than a month in jail for lying to dodge speeding ticket – and could now vote on Brexit

The 35-year-old politician will have to wear an ankle tag but could return to Parliament for Brexit talks tomorrow having refused to resign her Peterborough seat

This is what British democracy has been reduced to in 2019.

17,410,742 Britons voted to leave the European Union in the biggest single expression of democracy the nation has ever witnessed.

And a woman that should have been stripped of her role as an MP will join a few hundred co-conspirators to thwart brexit and democracy itself.

[evensteadiereddie]

I feel your pain.

[Mala591]

I'm quite happy about a second vote. The options would be:

1. The government's Brexit deal (including backstop)
2. Labour's Brexit proposal (staying in the EU customs union)
3. No deal WTO Brexit

[RingoMcCartney]

All 84 % of MP approximately, stood on manifestos that pledged- leaving the EU, end free movement of people, end the jurisdiction of the ECJ, leave the single market and customs union. They were elected on that basis.

And now the likes of Emily Thornbury and Anna soubrey want to duplicitously offer the country another referendum without implementing what they promised they'd do. With the choice of Remain or leaving with a deal that was so bad it was rejected by Parliament in such numbers never seen for literally hundreds of years.

And to justify it, they and their cabal of anti democratic usurpers have done everything in their power to frustrate , obstruct undermine the process, while simultaneously screaming "look what a mess the whole brexit thing is." In a self-fulfilling prophecy.

The establishment, political class and the dwellers of the metropolitan London Borough of ivory towers will have their comeuppance at the ballot box.

I watched Peston last week and it showed research that there's a massive gap for a party that's left wing on social issues and the NHS and right wing on Defence, law and order and foreign aid.

Oh how the metropolitans laughed when they said, "a Trump like character !"

They may not be laughing come the next General election.

[RingoMcCartney]

Emily Thornbury a chardonnay socialist who lives in a multi million pound north London mansion bursting with entitlement last night, as her barely concealed glee that the political classes plans of stopping brexit are finally coming to fruition.

LABOUR- THEY'LL DO ANYTHING FOR THE WORKING MAN.

EXCEPT LISTEN TO HIM.......

[aggi]

Disgraced Labour MP Fiona Onasanya released from prison after less than a month in jail for lying to dodge speeding ticket – and could now vote on Brexit

The 35-year-old politician will have to wear an ankle tag but could return to Parliament for Brexit talks tomorrow having refused to resign her Peterborough seat

This is what British democracy has been reduced to in 2019.

17,410,742 Britons voted to leave the European Union in the biggest single expression of democracy the nation has ever witnessed.

And a woman that should have been stripped of her role as an MP will join a few hundred co-conspirators to thwart brexit and democracy itself.

She's not a labour MP.

[Lancasterclaret]

If these are the meltdowns we get 24 hours after Lab actually did what it said it was going to do, imagine what if will be like if any of this actually comes about.

[Jakubclaret]

An almost perfect distillation of how (some) brexiters think, there.

And when you point it out, all the snowflakes go...

The university students stand to lose out with brexit so why would i take seriously a graph/chart compiled by them, it's akin to asking young girls ect if they think justin bieber is good looking or asking anjem choudary & abu hamza if they think sharia law is a good idea.

[Bordeauxclaret]

They seem pretty worried about losing another one don’t they.

Almost seems, almost, as if they are aware the mood has changed.

[Lancasterclaret]

Jesus Christ and all the baby orphans.

You've got to be a parody account. No one is this thick surely?

[Lancasterclaret]

I genuinely don't know what they are worried about. Its pretty clear that another referendum would change the result but to get there would require Brexiteers to continue to ignore reality, namely the ERG.

This only becomes a problem if the ERG think they can railroad "No Deal" through parliament. Even Steve "I can't count to 48" Baker can work out that they are outnumbered and would lose, whatever they said, how ever many troll bots they commission, the parliamentary arithmetic is against them.

But if they back the May deal, then it sails through, and Brexit happens.

It almost like they haven't been listening to anything that anyone has been telling them for two years.

[martin_p]

Thanks, students & university, pretty much tells me what I wanted to know.

Whooooosh!!!

[RingoMcCartney]

She's not a labour MP.

She was, and the fact she'll be allowed to vote to thwart the biggest single expression of democracy the nation has ever witnessed. By joining a few hundred duplicitous MPs who themselves are doing the polar opposite of what the manifestos they were elected on, is akin to what you'd expect from some tin pot south American dictatorship.

[Lancasterclaret]

Does she have a huge vote or something?

Is her vote worth more than mine and yours?

Look, I know the last 24 hours have been tough for Team Brexit, but try to keep it together eh?

[RingoMcCartney]

If these are the meltdowns we get 24 hours after Lab actually did what it said it was going to do, imagine what if will be like if any of this actually comes about.

Says the man whose been in a permanent state of meltdown since June 2016!

Where in the labour or tory manifestos did it say the respective parties would offer a second referendum BEFORE the first was implemented.?

Where? ...........

[martin_p]

Says the man whose been in a permanent state of meltdown since June 2016!

Where in the labour or tory manifestos did it say the respective parties would offer a second referendum BEFORE the first was implemented.?

Where? ...........

The same place it said we'd leave with no deal.

[RingoMcCartney]

Does she have a huge vote or something?

Is her vote worth more than mine and yours?

Look, I know the last 24 hours have been tough for Team Brexit, but try to keep it together eh?

What part of "she should no longer be an MP " don't you get?

An MP voting in parliament while she's tagged up!!

Is that how desperate the political class are to thwart the biggest single expression of democracy the nation has ever witnessed!?

Stay classless Remoaners !

[evensteadiereddie]

Where ? WHERE ? WHERE ???



Are my tablets....




This is brilliant work.

[Lancasterclaret]

This thread is going to be gold today.

[evensteadiereddie]

We're off to a cracking start.

[Lancasterclaret]

I can only assume that Brexiteers went to bed last night hoping it was all a bad dream and that it would all be sorted by the morning.

You know its bad though when Rowls appears moaning about a remainer with his willy out. That will be the sign that they genuinely are bricking it.

[RingoMcCartney]

The same place it said we'd leave with no deal.

Exactly and there was no proviso that mentioned leaving WITH a deal either marty was there.

It was carry out the wishes of the British people as expressed in the referendum, leave the single market and customs, end free movement of people and end the jurisdiction of the ECJ.

No mention of whether we had a deal or no Deal.

It doesn't matter one iota what you or I think was contained in either the Tory or labour manifestos. I've listened to LBC, talk radio and 5 live , last night and this morning. The one thing that's coming through loud and clear from Tories, Labour Brexiteers and Remoaners. Is that trust in both parties is now shattered.

Listening to John Mann this morning, he shares my view.

I said it months ago , and was laughed at for saying it. It will come down to those that put pounds notes and the economy first and those that believe in democracy.

And for all our sakes, economic fortunes have always come and gone.

If faith in democracy goes , we really are in trouble.

[claret2018]

All the nutters on here who have built their lives around Brexit for the last few years are now terrified because they know it's not going to happen, and it's delicious.

[RingoMcCartney]

I can only assume that Brexiteers went to bed last night hoping it was all a bad dream and that it would all be sorted by the morning.

You know its bad though when Rowls appears moaning about a remainer with his willy out. That will be the sign that they genuinely are bricking it.

Where in the labour or tory manifestos did it say the respective parties would offer a second referendum BEFORE the first was implemented.?

[evensteadiereddie]

"I said it months ago , and was laughed at for saying it." No, no, no - you were just laughed at.

[RingoMcCartney]

All the nutters on here who have built their lives around Brexit for the last few years are now terrified because they know it's not going to happen, and it's delicious.

You think the death of trust in democracy is something to celebrate?

Enjoy the open top bus tour.

[martin_p]

It was carry out the wishes of the British people as expressed in the referendum, leave the single market and customs, end free movement of people and end the jurisdiction of the ECJ.

No mention of whether we had a deal or no Deal.

The Tory manifesto promises 'the best possible deal for Britain as we leave the European Union delivered by a smooth orderly Brexit'.

So yes, we were promised a deal, and therefore by definition not 'no deal'.

[evensteadiereddie]

All the nutters on here who have built their lives around Brexit for the last few years are now terrified because they know it's not going to happen, and it's delicious.

There is a certain lovely irony to how er, "the biggest single expression of democracy the nation has ever witnessed!" is turning out for some.


Enjoy the show !

[RingoMcCartney]

The Tory manifesto promises 'the best possible deal for Britain as we leave the European Union delivered by a smooth orderly Brexit'.

So yes, we were promised a deal, and therefore by definition not 'no deal'.

It's like Sean Dyche saying hell try and get the best possible result from Newcastle and if we draw, you claiming he promised a win.

I you want to read it through Remoaner tinted glasses fine.

I could easily argue that having said repeatedly that "no deal is better than a bad deal" it opened the door to leaving with no deal, as that would evidently be the "best deal"

Huff and puff all you like, and I notice you didn't want to argue the toss over the labour manifesto. Neither manifesto promised they would offer a second referendum BEFORE the first was implemented.?

It did NOT say that we would have to leave with a deal.

Both said theyd carry out the wishes of the British people as expressed in the referendum, leave the single market and customs, end free movement of people and end the jurisdiction of the ECJ. 

As I've said yours and my opinions are utterly irrelevant compared to how millions of leave voters perceive what labour is attempting to do.

[CombatClaret]

I had no faith in general public understanding the details & implications of the first referendum.
I've even less with a second far more complicated & possibly multiple-choice referendum.

[Lancasterclaret]

Ringo, you need to start reading what the political commentators are saying about all this.

Just calm down a bit and do some research.

You have nothing to worry about

[martin_p]

It's like Sean Dyche saying hell try and get the best possible result from Newcastle and if we draw, you claiming he promised a win.

I you want to read it through Remoaner tinted glasses fine.

I could easily argue that having said repeatedly that "no deal is better than a bad deal" it opened the door to leaving with no deal, as that would evidently be the "best deal"

Huff and puff all you like, and I notice you didn't want to argue the toss over the labour manifesto. Neither manifesto promised they would offer a second referendum BEFORE the first was implemented.?

It did NOT say that we would have to leave with a deal.

Both said theyd carry out the wishes of the British people as expressed in the referendum, leave the single market and customs, end free movement of people and end the jurisdiction of the ECJ. 

As I've said yours and my opinions are utterly irrelevant compared to how millions of leave voters perceive what labour is attempting to do.

So you're comfortable for something else to happen if a manifesto promise can't be delivered then. That opens the door to Brexit with a customs union then, or even a second referendum.

[Rick_Muller]

I had no faith in general public understanding the details & implications of the first referendum.
I've even less with a second far more complicated & possibly multiple-choice referendum.

I'm a fairly well educated middle aged chap (Engineering Degree) and I also fear for the country based upon the comments made on this forum by people who are also entitled to vote.

I feel the first referendum was ill thought out and seen by Cameron as an easy win to silence the Euro sceptics within the Tory party, but it back fired because so many people were wrongly influenced by misleading social media campaigns on both sides (yes I said both sides before I get accused of being unfair). He jumped ship to leave May with the unenviable task of sorting this sh!t out. I'm no Tory by a long shot, but she has done her best, but it isn't enough.

A second referendum is something I have championed on here before, but I fear all it will serve is to further split the public and the politicians then send the country into years of chaos (more chaos..?). I genuinely dont know what the answer is, there is no answer unless we can undo the first referendum and start fresh - but that just cant happen.

[aggi]

She was, and the fact she'll be allowed to vote to thwart the biggest single expression of democracy the nation has ever witnessed. By joining a few hundred duplicitous MPs who themselves are doing the polar opposite of what the manifestos they were elected on, is akin to what you'd expect from some tin pot south American dictatorship.

But she isn't now. I was just correcting the factual inaccuracies in your post. If you get things wrong, either deliberately or because you don't know enough about what you're posting, then people will correct you.

I don't disagree that she should no longer be an MP. I don't remember you being quite so vociferous about this when the Recall of MPs Act was introduced in 2015 though. It's those rules which mean she's still an MP, there's nothing May, Corbyn or anyone else can do about her at the moment (and quite rightly, there's no way the leader of a party should be able to get rid of MPs).

[tiger76]

I'm quite happy about a second vote. The options would be:

1. The government's Brexit deal (including backstop)
2. Labour's Brexit proposal (staying in the EU customs union)
3. No deal WTO Brexit

If that was the trio of questions being proposed,that would be valid as these are all options on how we LEAVE the EU,HOWEVER judging by Keir Starmer's interviews this morning,REMAIN will be an option on the ballot,completely unacceptable to ask the "people" to vote again on the same question,but given the shower of sh**e sitting in Westminster we shouldn't be

[RingoMcCartney]

But she isn't now. I was just correcting the factual inaccuracies in your post. If you get things wrong, either deliberately or because you don't know enough about what you're posting, then people will correct you.

I don't disagree that she should no longer be an MP. I don't remember you being quite so vociferous about this when the Recall of MPs Act was introduced in 2015 though. It's those rules which mean she's still an MP, there's nothing May, Corbyn or anyone else can do about her at the moment (and quite rightly, there's no way the leader of a party should be able to get rid of MPs).

Just listening to the former Peterborough MP Stuart Jackson on the radio. He's confirmed that the constituency only needs to raise a petition of 10% around 7100 to force a by election. He says the locals are really angry and it should only be a matter of around a month or so before she's thrown out by the very people she has shown utter contempt for, by not having surgeries and a whole host of bad behaviour that's really angered them.

[RingoMcCartney]

So you're comfortable for something else to happen if a manifesto promise can't be delivered then. That opens the door to Brexit with a customs union then, or even a second referendum.

The only reason why brexit cannot be delivered is cos a large rump of hard core MPs refuse to allow and continue with their , now blatant, refusal to process and implement democracy. An attitude that will bite them in the arse come the next General election.

The more desperate they've become, the more brazen they've become, and the easier it is for the public to see it.

[martin_p]

Just listening to the former MP Stuart Jackson on the radio. He's confirmed that the constituency only needs to raise a petition of 10% around 7100 to force a by election. He says the locals are really angry and it should only be a matter of around a month or so before she's thrown out by the very people she has shown utter contempt for, by not having surgeries and a whole host of bad behaviour that's really angered them.

I can't believe he's looking to overturn the biggest single expression of democracy in Peterborough in 2017. They shouldn't just be allowed to change their minds just because she isn't what they thought they'd voted for. This would almost certainly erode all trust in Peterborough democracy if another election were to be held before 2022.

[Lancasterclaret]

Didn't work with Iain Paisley MP last year.

Despite blatant expenses fraud (twice) he stayed in because they could only find 91% of the amount required.

Not a foregone conclusion sadly (though it should be)

[martin_p]

The only reason why brexit cannot be delivered is cos a large rump of hard core MPs refuse to allow and continue with their , now blatant, refusal to process and implement democracy. An attitude that will bite them in the arse come the next General election.

The more desperate they've become, the more brazen they've become, and the easier it is for the public to see it.

I assume you're talking about the ERG.

[RingoMcCartney]

I can't believe he's looking to overturn the biggest single expression of democracy in Peterborough in 2017. They shouldn't just be allowed to change their minds just because she isn't what they thought they'd voted for. This would almost certainly erode all trust in Peterborough democracy if another election were to be held before 2022.

1 I think you'll find the Peterborough constituency election didn't take place on a " once in a generation " basis.......

2. The result of the Peterborough constituency was IMPLAMENTED.

3. The result of the referendum result has not been IMPLEMENTED yet.

For you to attempt to compare her election with the referendum, the people of Peterborough would have to have had called for another constituency by election BEFORE she took her seat in parliament.

[RingoMcCartney]

I assume you're talking about the ERG.

Wrong again.

[aggi]

Just listening to the former Peterborough MP Stuart Jackson on the radio. He's confirmed that the constituency only needs to raise a petition of 10% around 7100 to force a by election. He says the locals are really angry and it should only be a matter of around a month or so before she's thrown out by the very people she has shown utter contempt for, by not having surgeries and a whole host of bad behaviour that's really angered them.

Not quite, if she appeals the conviction then the recall can't happen until the appeal is finished.

If that doesn't pan out, and I can't see it will, then they should go for the recall. I would if I were in her constituency.

[RingoMcCartney]

Didn't work with Iain Paisley MP last year.

Despite blatant expenses fraud (twice) he stayed in because they could only find 91% of the amount required.

Not a foregone conclusion sadly (though it should be)

Where in the labour or tory manifestos did it say the respective parties would offer a second referendum BEFORE the first was implemented.?

An " it didnt, and to call for a 2nd referendum with NO ELECTORAL MANDATE to do so, is an affront to democracy. And I day this as somebody who likes to describe himself as a liberal DEMOCRAT Ringo " would suffice.

[martin_p]

1 I think you'll find the Peterborough constituency election didn't take place on a " once in a generation " basis.......

2. The result of the Peterborough constituency was IMPLAMENTED.

3. The result of the referendum result has not been IMPLEMENTED yet.

For you to attempt to compare her election with the referendum, the people of Peterborough would have to have had called for another constituency by election BEFORE she took her seat in parliament.

You literally have NO sense of humour.

[martin_p]

Wrong again.

Well who are you talking about then. The PM came back with a deal, it was voted down by MPs who support reamian and leave. Which MPs so you think are stopping us getting a deal that meets all of the PMs and the EUs red lines?

[RingoMcCartney]

You literally have NO sense of humour.

You're excellent at pretending something was an attempt at a joke when we both know it wasn't!

You do appropriate analogies like you do getting it right marty.


You don't.

[Lancasterclaret]

You going to change your tune ringo or are you going to get even more unhinged about this?

E-mail the ERG and tell them to accept Mays deal, and this never happens.

What are you wasting time on here for?