Osmajic

[PremierLeagueClass]

They can't know he's guilty they might suspect he is. We don't know for sure that he's guilty. It's our natural instinct to side with Hannibal as it is with Preston's with osmajic. The FA have to be seen to be doing something but in reality they have nothing to really go on.

I know plenty of Preston fans that haven’t shown a “natural instinct” to side with Osmajic.

[Jakubclaret]

I know plenty of Preston fans that haven’t shown a “natural instinct” to side with Osmajic.

After the incident looking on their forum the general consensus take was let's presume innocence until proven otherwise. i dare say some might be reluctant the same applies to hannibal. I want hannibel to get justice if he's been wronged but not at the expense of somebody innocent. I don't hold out much hope for the certain truth with the guessing game of balance of probabilities.

[warksclaret]

Had it been a Man City or Arsenal player who got supposedly racially abused, would it have dragged on for 5 or more months before a decision was made

[fidelcastro]

Had it been a Man City or Arsenal player who got supposedly racially abused, would it have dragged on for 5 or more months before a decision was made

No. The media would have ensured a decision was reached long before now.

[Chester Perry]

Had it been a Man City or Arsenal player who got supposedly racially abused, would it have dragged on for 5 or more months before a decision was made

There are a hell of a lot more cameras at a Premier League game - almost certain that their would be clear images of the whole incident if it had been in the Premier League

[claretburns]

Same rules as a civil case?

I may be talking nonsense the rules may have changed, I just refer to Ben Turner's Undr the Cosh episode as he was accused of using racial language and talks in depth about the case, on the link below from 1 hour 31 mins 55 seconds in.

One of the points he makes is that when they went to the court case at the FA and reviewed the statements and evidence, the Brentford player who accused him gave a different testimony on the day compared to his statement and so all his statements/evidence was thrown out but Turner was still found guilty based on probability that it happened.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMCbopg3Du4&t=297s

[northeastclaret]

They can't know he's guilty they might suspect he is. We don't know for sure that he's guilty. It's our natural instinct to side with Hannibal as it is with Preston's with osmajic. The FA have to be seen to be doing something but in reality they have nothing to really go on.

They have a hell of a lot of facts to go on regarding the balance of probabilities.

It would seem unfortunately they do not have an actual
recording of what he said, otherwise it would have been settled long before now.

However they have a long list of factual probabilities which undoubtedly puts the balance very clearly away from what he is has said happened.

1. He is a proven lier. He denied he had bitten the Rovers player before the footage was released showing him with his teeth in the player.

2. He has committed this season one of the most repulsive things one player can do to another , by plunging his teeth into an opponent, which also shows a total lack of control in the heat of the moment.

3. Also indisciplined away from football , with the driving ban he was given recently. Another example of his character or lack of.

4. He is from one of the most racist countries in Europe. When England played at Montenegro several years ago, some of the England players and their families were subjected to monkey shouts and racist comments throughout the match and the stewards and police did nothing to stop it.
This behaviour resulted UEFA banning all fans from their stadium in the next match.

I could go on with more examples which I am sure the FA have also looked into.

When you watch the incident you can see he is clearly losing it and when that happens, there is such an obvious balance of probabilities that all this factual history will play it’s part in what he actually says.

[Jakubclaret]

They have a hell of a lot of facts to go on regarding the balance of probabilities.

It would seem unfortunately they do not have an actual
recording of what he said, otherwise it would have been settled long before now.

However they have a long list of factual probabilities which undoubtedly puts the balance very clearly away from what he is has said happened.

1. He is a proven lier. He denied he had bitten the Rovers player before the footage was released showing him with his teeth in the player.

2. He has committed this season one of the most repulsive things one player can do to another , by plunging his teeth into an opponent, which also shows a total lack of control in the heat of the moment.

3. Also indisciplined away from football , with the driving ban he was given recently. Another example of his character or lack of.

4. He is from one of the most racist countries in Europe. When England played at Montenegro several years ago, some of the England players and their families were subjected to monkey shouts and racist comments throughout the match and the stewards and police did nothing to stop it.
This behaviour resulted UEFA banning all fans from their stadium in the next match.

I could go on with more examples which I am sure the FA have also looked into.

When you watch the incident you can see he is clearly losing it and when that happens, there is such an obvious balance of probabilities that all this factual history will play it’s part in what he actually says.

if we have to look at his behavior it's also fair to look at hannibals behaviour such as the stamping incident. Point 4 where's he's from isn't valid you can't just directly attribute him to be racist because he's from a racist country & the driving ban isn't really relevant. The rest of the points seem reasonable especially 1 & 2 which go together I'm not sure why you've separated them maybe to enlarge things.

[CharlieinNewMexico]

if we have to look at his behavior it's also fair to look at hannibals behaviour such as the stamping incident. Point 4 where's he's from isn't valid you can't just directly attribute him to be racist because he's from a racist country & the driving ban isn't really relevant. The rest of the points seem reasonable especially 1 & 2 which go together I'm not sure why you've separated them maybe to enlarge things.

So much egg on your face when the decision comes out you’ll be scrubbing for months.

[Jakubclaret]

So much egg on your face when the decision comes out you’ll be scrubbing for months.

Doesn't bother me in the slightest I just hope the correct decision is reached.

[Jakubclaret]

So much egg on your face when the decision comes out you’ll be scrubbing for months.

It doesn't bother me in the slightest I just hope the correct decision is reached. It's not about who's right & who's wrong to me it might be important to you I couldn't care less.

[boatshed bill]

All hypothetical, but: if the Preston player who apparently went into our changing room to console Hannibal were to explain the reason for his actions there's a probable witness.

[CharlieinNewMexico]

Doesn't bother me in the slightest I just hope the correct decision is reached.

How would you know it’s correct?

a) if he’s guilty You’ll just keep banging your he said she said drum and say it’s wrong
B) if he’s not guilty you’ll say you were right.

One things for sure, you don’t possess the balls to say “I was wrong”.

[Jakubclaret]

How would you know it’s correct?

a) if he’s guilty You’ll just keep banging your he said she said drum and say it’s wrong
B) if he’s not guilty you’ll say you were right.

One things for sure, you don’t possess the balls to say “I was wrong”.

Exactly it's impossible to say. I'll rephrase it I hope they guess right not that I will know for sure either way.