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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by blatherwickstattoos » Fri Jun 27, 2025 6:51 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:
Fri Jun 27, 2025 6:48 pm
Flemming will be a star next season and to suggest Sargent with his injury and goals record is a suitable replacement is just wrong.
Sergeant has scored more goals. Same league.

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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by bumba » Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:02 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:
Fri Jun 27, 2025 6:48 pm
Flemming will be a star next season and to suggest Sargent with his injury and goals record is a suitable replacement is just wrong.Ash will play a big part next season not just on the pitch.If we can hand onto Zeki Amoundi he will link up well with Flemming and Edwards.
Sergeant scored more goals in less games in a worse team last season. I like Flemming he's a likeable player and gives his all but I haven't seen any attributes yet that suggest he'll be a 'star' in the premier league

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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by claretspice » Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:07 pm

Sargent is the better goalscorer but that is but a portion of the centre forwards job in the Premier League. The bigger part of the job is providing an outlet and providing the physical edge to give us a platform. I have my doubts that Sargent has that physicality.

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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by JR1882 » Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:11 pm

Does the lack of forward activity point to Zeki staying?

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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by claretspice » Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:12 pm

JR1882 wrote:
Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:11 pm
Does the lack of forward activity point to Zeki staying?
I think it more points to it still being June. Those sorts of deals invariably come later in a window (and there have been links).

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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by boatshed bill » Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:13 pm

bumba wrote:
Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:02 pm
Sergeant scored more goals in less games in a worse team last season. I like Flemming he's a likeable player and gives his all but I haven't seen any attributes yet that suggest he'll be a 'star' in the premier league
Didn't Norwich create more chances and score more goals than us?
I'd say Flemming is the better all-round footballer, so has a better chance of making it in the PL. However, I don't think he will be used as a target-man as such.

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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by blatherwickstattoos » Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:26 pm

claretspice wrote:
Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:07 pm
Sargent is the better goalscorer but that is but a portion of the centre forwards job in the Premier League. The bigger part of the job is providing an outlet and providing the physical edge to give us a platform. I have my doubts that Sargent has that physicality.
He’s about 6ft 2 or 3. He’s a unit who links up really well and wins headers. My Norwich city supporting mate says he’s a real player. Has it all apparently and from what I’ve seen of him he was one of the only strikers last season to actually turn our back 4 that second half when he came on. I was impressed with him

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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by ollieclarets8 » Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:34 pm

blatherwickstattoos wrote:
Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:26 pm
He’s about 6ft 2 or 3. He’s a unit who links up really well and wins headers. My Norwich city supporting mate says he’s a real player. Has it all apparently and from what I’ve seen of him he was one of the only strikers last season to actually turn our back 4 that second half when he came on. I was impressed with him
He's more like 6ft 1 but clearly has a physical presence when needed.

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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by prettygreenclaret » Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:45 pm

I remember him coming on for the 2nd half in our home game and was surprised at his size and physique. Looked pretty good and caused us a few problems. Whether he could step up to the Prem would be my concern and he wouldn't be particularly cheap.

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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by bumba » Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:53 pm

claretspice wrote:
Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:07 pm
Sargent is the better goalscorer but that is but a portion of the centre forwards job in the Premier League. The bigger part of the job is providing an outlet and providing the physical edge to give us a platform. I have my doubts that Sargent has that physicality.
Thought Flemming was really poor at this last season, he was so stressful at times throwing himself on the floor asking for a foul when no defender was near him.
He didn't get away with that in the championship he definitely won't in the premier league, at least Sergeant can running behind which would give us a better option

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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by bumba » Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:54 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:13 pm
Didn't Norwich create more chances and score more goals than us?
I'd say Flemming is the better all-round footballer, so has a better chance of making it in the PL. However, I don't think he will be used as a target-man as such.
Maybe they scored and created more because their main striker was more of a threat?
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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by boatshed bill » Fri Jun 27, 2025 8:13 pm

bumba wrote:
Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:54 pm
Maybe they scored and created more because their main striker was more of a threat?
I think they had a more attacking approach, probably why they lost games despite being high scorers.
!5 in 32 games isn't bad, I admit.

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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by Hedontplayforyou » Fri Jun 27, 2025 8:17 pm

I just think there will be better value abroad

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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by wilks_bfc » Fri Jun 27, 2025 8:20 pm

The only reason to sign Josh Sargent is if Brownhill is off and we continue with the “Joshua Triangle”

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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by ecc » Fri Jun 27, 2025 8:51 pm

mkmel wrote:
Thu Jun 26, 2025 10:37 pm
I just looked it up and over 30 years ago Dave Beasant dropped a 2kg bottle of salad cream onto his foot and was out injured for 8 weeks.
Charlie George lost a finger in a lawnmower incident. Doesn't bear thinking about.

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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by blatherwickstattoos » Fri Jun 27, 2025 9:20 pm

wilks_bfc wrote:
Fri Jun 27, 2025 8:20 pm
The only reason to sign Josh Sargent is if Brownhill is off and we continue with the “Joshua Triangle”
Or tree
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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by BertiesBeehole » Fri Jun 27, 2025 9:30 pm

I've recently moved to Norfolk and know a few Norwich season tickets holders well - they rate him extremely highly and a class above the rest of their players and anyone they've had for some time. They reckon it'd take £20 million to get him though.

He's had a couple of injuries the last few years, which kept him out for about 4 months (Autumn 2023) and then 2 months (xmas 2024), but his Championship goalscoring record was impressive.

2023/24 season a goal every 132 minutes (16 goals)
2024/25 season a goal every 167 minutes (15 goals)

Also the fact he's American would appeal you'd expect (to some at least!) and at 25 he's still fairly young.

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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by Commy » Sat Jun 28, 2025 1:26 am

'Insider' says we want Soucek on loan with a guaranteed sale if we stay up. The writer has said he has spoken to someone in Soucek's camp. With a loan fee he would probably cost us about £10m so it might be worth paying the £90k a week for a season as he could make the difference.

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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by UpTheClaretsFCBK » Sat Jun 28, 2025 3:38 am

Commy wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 1:26 am
'Insider' says we want Soucek on loan with a guaranteed sale if we stay up. The writer has said he has spoken to someone in Soucek's camp. With a loan fee he would probably cost us about £10m so it might be worth paying the £90k a week for a season as he could make the difference.

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He’s out of contract next summer so how can the deal be for a guaranteed sale next summer? He’ll be gone regardless.

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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by UpTheClaretsFCBK » Sat Jun 28, 2025 3:39 am

Sargent is far too lightweight for the Prem. You’ve got to be world class to carry that frame nowadays.

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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by CoolClaret » Sat Jun 28, 2025 3:50 am

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 3:39 am
Sargent is far too lightweight for the Prem. You’ve got to be world class to carry that frame nowadays.
He definitely used to be, but I think he's filled out now.

Looked a bit of a unit when he came on for Norwich at the Turf, and as blatherwickstattoos pointed out, caused our defence a lot of problems with his runs off the shoulder of the last man.

Is he a PL striker? Tough one - not fully convinced.

Image

^ 6ft1, far from lightweight

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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by MDWat » Sat Jun 28, 2025 4:10 am

Sunderland signing a £30m centre midfielder. It’s going to be a particularly tough season next season.

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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by CharlieinNewMexico » Sat Jun 28, 2025 5:02 am

I’ve seen a lot of Sargent (obvs) and he is nowhere near physical enough for the EPL.

Yes you can argue that he’s built himself up and yada yada yada but he just doesn’t have the mindset to be effective for us.

Sign Sargent and we’ll just have a top Championship player playing in the Premier League.

Is that what we want??

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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by Stacks » Sat Jun 28, 2025 5:18 am

Foster will be our 9. I honestly think so.

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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by Casper2 » Sat Jun 28, 2025 6:18 am

Stacks wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 5:18 am
Foster will be our 9. I honestly think so.
Based on 1 match away at Villa I presume, because apart from that he’s looked league 1 at best .
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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by RVclaret » Sat Jun 28, 2025 6:21 am

MDWat wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 4:10 am
Sunderland signing a £30m centre midfielder. It’s going to be a particularly tough season next season.
Big money isn’t it. Bellingham replacement. He looks a very exciting and good player. Was really impressed with him v England the other week.

Midfield is a major weak point for us and needs addressing.

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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Sat Jun 28, 2025 7:22 am

Only 2 strikers caused esteve real problems last season and it was cardiffs bid striker away from home and then Sargent when he came on at the turf.

I know Delap is younger but nobody thought he would be prem level. Ivan Toney another who had bounced around league 1 before Brentford signed him, another nobody thought would be good enough.

I think Sargent has all the tools to be a good prem striker, like anyone though as long as he stays fit

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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by Culmclaret » Sat Jun 28, 2025 7:38 am

ecc wrote:
Fri Jun 27, 2025 8:51 pm
Charlie George lost a finger in a lawnmower incident. Doesn't bear thinking about.
Ipswich have form re CBs and domestic incidents…..the late, great Kevin Beattie suffered burns after adding petrol to a bonfire

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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by bumba » Sat Jun 28, 2025 7:49 am

CharlieinNewMexico wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 5:02 am
I’ve seen a lot of Sargent (obvs) and he is nowhere near physical enough for the EPL.

Yes you can argue that he’s built himself up and yada yada yada but he just doesn’t have the mindset to be effective for us.

Sign Sargent and we’ll just have a top Championship player playing in the Premier League.

Is that what we want??
Apart from Esteve I'm struggling to think of a player on our books we can say is actually premier league level right now

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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by Robbie_painter » Sat Jun 28, 2025 7:51 am

bumba wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 7:49 am
Apart from Esteve I'm struggling to think of a player on our books we can say is actually premier league level right now
Newcastle wanting Trafford might suggest he is premier league level as well.

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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by brexit » Sat Jun 28, 2025 8:04 am

I don't think we will have any EPL standard players in the team next season. However I think the play style will reflect a sum greater than parts approach.
I am confident that sp will have to a plan and will have identified players to suit that plan.
That said we have a lot of dead wood to move on outgoings are probably more important at this stage to free up squad places and wages.

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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by kentonclaret » Sat Jun 28, 2025 8:05 am

bumba wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 7:49 am
Apart from Esteve I'm struggling to think of a player on our books we can say is actually premier league level right now
That is the whole point of difference. Brentford, Bournemouth and Brighton will let their top performers leave for good money and decent returns and will recruit replacements from overseas using performance data and a top quality scouting system. When the season kicks off they won’t be starting it with a squad of basically Championship level players.

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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sat Jun 28, 2025 8:20 am

bumba wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 7:49 am
Apart from Esteve I'm struggling to think of a player on our books we can say is actually premier league level right now
Let’s face it won’t know if any of them are until around Christmas time. Our stint was so bad last time I would say it’s hard to say any are.

But let’s face we are team where it’s about the sum of its parts not the individual talent.

I have a lot more confidence in this squad than the last one

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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by Pearcey » Sat Jun 28, 2025 8:29 am

Sargent would be a great signing. He’s improved massively since he first went to Norwich in the Prem. Always makes me laugh when people say we shouldn’t be buying top championship players for the Prem. Tuanzebe apart, we’ve just signed two that have never played at that level. We’re Burnley!!
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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by RVclaret » Sat Jun 28, 2025 8:36 am

Sargent, for the price, would be a poor signing, in my view. Not the profile of striker I’m hoping we are looking at.

I’d much prefer Ivanovic from Union SG, or the other Ivanovic at Millwall (Everton suggested to be looking at him), or Abline from Nantes. All likely to be around the same price.

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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sat Jun 28, 2025 8:41 am

RVclaret wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 8:36 am
Sargent, for the price, would be a poor signing, in my view. Not the profile of striker I’m hoping we are looking at.

I’d much prefer Ivanovic from Union SG, or the other Ivanovic at Millwall (Everton suggested to be looking at him), or Abline from Nantes. All likely to be around the same price.
Do you think we will go for a striker this summer?

If I’m honest it wasn’t a position I thought we would strengthen

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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by Hedontplayforyou » Sat Jun 28, 2025 8:50 am

We have to go for a striker , there’s no ifs and buts about it. We needed one last season and now we are up in the prem if actually say we probably need two in order to rotate and take the pressure off slightly , as Foster is about as unreliable as they get .

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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sat Jun 28, 2025 9:01 am

Hedontplayforyou wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 8:50 am
We have to go for a striker , there’s no ifs and buts about it. We needed one last season and now we are up in the prem if actually say we probably need two in order to rotate and take the pressure off slightly , as Foster is about as unreliable as they get .
I see your point but that means we probably need to sell at least 2 strikers this window (possibly even three).

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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by bumba » Sat Jun 28, 2025 9:04 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 8:20 am
Let’s face it won’t know if any of them are until around Christmas time. Our stint was so bad last time I would say it’s hard to say any are.

But let’s face we are team where it’s about the sum of its parts not the individual talent.

I have a lot more confidence in this squad than the last one
I definitely have more confidence this time round and the signings so far seems targeted and more thought out than last time, we seem to be building a team this time and so far business has been good on paper.

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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by bumba » Sat Jun 28, 2025 9:05 am

Robbie_painter wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 7:51 am
Newcastle wanting Trafford might suggest he is premier league level as well.
Newcastle want Traffords potential hence why they want to keep Pope too. We are yet to find out if he is at premier league level right now

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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Sat Jun 28, 2025 9:18 am

bumba wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 9:05 am
Newcastle want Traffords potential hence why they want to keep Pope too. We are yet to find out if he is at premier league level right now
Same could be said for Esteve.

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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by bumba » Sat Jun 28, 2025 9:20 am

Granny WeatherWax wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 9:18 am
Same could be said for Esteve.
Esteve was more than capable 18 months ago

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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by Tribesmen » Sat Jun 28, 2025 9:22 am

ecc wrote:
Fri Jun 27, 2025 8:51 pm
Charlie George lost a finger in a lawnmower incident. Doesn't bear thinking about.
Maybe all these need a thread of their own , crazy stuff

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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sat Jun 28, 2025 9:29 am

bumba wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 9:20 am
Esteve was more than capable 18 months ago
Look I think everyone rates Esteve very highly

But on the same basis we are saying we don’t know if Trafford is prem quality, Esteve is the same he was still part of the worst defence I think we have seen at the top level and I think we kept 3 clean sheets with him at the back.

I think this season he will prove he is a titan at the back. But all the lads have to step up this season

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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by BigChaCha » Sat Jun 28, 2025 9:41 am

by Newcastleclaret93 » Sat Jun 28, 2025 9:29 am

But on the same basis we are saying we don’t know if Trafford is prem quality, Esteve is the same he was still part of the worst defence I think we have seen at the top level and I think we kept 3 clean sheets with him at the back.

I think this season he will prove he is a titan at the back. But all the lads have to step up this season
After we bought Esteve in January, our form in the Premier League from then on was easily good enough to stay up comfortably!... If we'd brought him in and Assignon at the start of the season instead of the January window, we'd have stayed up.
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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by bumba » Sat Jun 28, 2025 9:45 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 9:29 am
Look I think everyone rates Esteve very highly

But on the same basis we are saying we don’t know if Trafford is prem quality, Esteve is the same he was still part of the worst defence I think we have seen at the top level and I think we kept 3 clean sheets with him at the back.

I think this season he will prove he is a titan at the back. But all the lads have to step up this season
I thought the defence improved significantly with Esteve in there but him individually never put a foot wrong. Trafford was miles out of his depth that season

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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by matttheclaret » Sat Jun 28, 2025 9:49 am

BigChaCha wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 9:41 am
After we bought Esteve in January, our form in the Premier League from then on was easily good enough to stay up comfortably!... If we'd brought him in and Assignon at the start of the season instead of the January window, we'd have stayed up.
I'm not sure we got that much better, from when Esteve signed, we got 12 points from 15 games and conceded 33 goals in that time. So still less than a point per game and still conceding more than 2 a game on average

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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by CoolClaret » Sat Jun 28, 2025 10:10 am

123EasyasBFC wrote:
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Only 2 strikers caused esteve real problems last season and it was cardiffs bid striker away from home and then Sargent when he came on at the turf.
Yousef Salech @ Cardiff, but don't forget Mihailo Ivanović for Milwall - his movement caused both Steve and CJ a lot of problems. He appears to be a promising young talent.

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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by BigChaCha » Sat Jun 28, 2025 10:16 am

by matttheclaret » Sat Jun 28, 2025 9:49 am

I'm not sure we got that much better, from when Esteve signed, we got 12 points from 15 games and conceded 33 goals in that time. So still less than a point per game and still conceding more than 2 a game on average
Pre Esteve, we gained an average of 0.52 points per game, post Esteve, it went up to 0.72, which is a significant improvement... Okay, I got carried away with saying that meant we would have stayed up as it is slightly short of the required points per game average, but if we had started the season like that, Esteve and the rest would likely have gained more confidence and improved...

It certainly would have given us a more solid platform with more points to further strengthen in January... A few weeks before that season started, I said that we had a bad summer window and that it would be a disaster because we had bought in the wrong areas of the pitch... Everyone in here laughed at me for saying that, but it proved to be 100% correct...

If we had bought Esteve or similar quality at the start of that season, I'm convinced we would have stayed up... Statistically and points-wise, we certainly would have had more chance of doing so anyway!

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Re: Summer transfer window

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Sat Jun 28, 2025 10:33 am

CoolClaret wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 10:10 am
Yousef Salech @ Cardiff, but don't forget Mihailo Ivanović for Milwall - his movement caused both Steve and CJ a lot of problems. He appears to be a promising young talent.
I wasn’t sold on him from Millwall, I actually thought it was colburn that caused them more problems

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