Dyche

[Big Vinny K]

Sh@t show from Moyes picking the same team as Dyche but playing a higher press was always likely to end up in a 1-0 reverse with a ball over the top.

Villa absolutely bossed us with the same tactics on the Turf last season.
It was one of those moments when you are watching the game and you realise how good not only the opposition players are but also how far ahead in experience, tactical nounce, game management and everything else the opposition manager was compared to Kompany.

From memory I think that was one of our better performances in the 20 / 25 minutes but they completely exposed our weaknesses and their strengths with their full backs in particular playing like wingers and hitting us on the counter time and time again.

[ClaretPete001]

Villa absolutely bossed us with the same tactics on the Turf last season.
It was one of those moments when you are watching the game and you realise how good not only the opposition players are but also how far ahead in experience, tactical nounce, game management and everything else the opposition manager was compared to Kompany.

From memory I think that was one of our better performances in the 20 / 25 minutes but they completely exposed our weaknesses and their strengths with their full backs in particular playing like wingers and hitting us on the counter time and time again.

Indeed they suck you in and spit you out with
Pace up front. And one of their full backs is yet another quality player Everton had to sell and of course they also have Maatsen.

Everton have Mycholenko and Ashley Young their fan base is somewhat delusional if they think their squad deserves to be much higher.

[Stonehouse]

We need to go up this year if they go down unless fans want to go to their new ground.

[helmclaret]

Indeed they suck you in and spit you out with
Pace up front. And one of their full backs is yet another quality player Everton had to sell and of course they also have Maatsen.

Everton have Mycholenko and Ashley Young their fan base is somewhat delusional if they think their squad deserves to be much higher.

I was really impressed with the Villa and Spurs midfields last season. We couldn’t get near them.

[Stayingup]

Yawn isn’t fit to wear Moyes underpants

Classy post nobber. As usual.

[KRBFC]

Moyes making Dyche look like a really poor manager. Dyche had 3 wins in his last 21 games, Moyes won his first 3 games, unbeaten in 5 with 4 wins.

[Goliath]

Moyes making Dyche look like a really poor manager. Dyche had 3 wins in his last 21 games, Moyes won his first 3 games, unbeaten in 5 with 4 wins.

Ah yes a new manager bounce always means the previous manager is poor. He's provided a really strong and well balanced group of players for Moyes to build on. Most managers would have relegated them by now, he did exactly what they needed him to do

[alboclaret]

Ah yes a new manager bounce always means the previous manager is poor. He's provided a really strong and well balanced group of players for Moyes to build on. Most managers would have relegated them by now, he did exactly what they needed him to do

I agree with this but I also would add imo this is where dyche operates as a manager.
He creates a stable, hardworking squad and "framework " as he called it.
That's his quality as a manager.

[alboclaret]

Should of added....that's it seems to go stale after a while. There seems to be evidence at both bfc and Everton of this.

[Goliath]

I agree with this but I also would add imo this is where dyche operates as a manager.
He creates a stable, hardworking squad and "framework " as he called it.
That's his quality as a manager.

He's never really had money to spend though. Would have been interesting to see him be given a chance to build a Premier league team on a decent budget.

When he spent here we ended up with a brilliant side based on a solid back 4 with a really strong footballing midfield of Cork and Defour.

[Shaggy]

People need to stop flogging the Dyche is a top manager thing now. Moyes is light years ahead of Dyche.

Dyche is and always has been in the Pulis, Warnock level of managers

[mdd2]

He has shown by his Prem League record that he is better than Warnock-good as Colin is/was.

[mdd2]

He has shown by his Prem League record that he is better than Warnock-good as Colin is/was.

[TPClaret]

He's never really had money to spend though. Would have been interesting to see him be given a chance to build a Premier league team on a decent budget.

When he spent here we ended up with a brilliant side based on a solid back 4 with a really strong footballing midfield of Cork and Defour.

He’d have probably gone shopping at Stoke

[jrgbfc]

He's never really had money to spend though. Would have been interesting to see him be given a chance to build a Premier league team on a decent budget.

When he spent here we ended up with a brilliant side based on a solid back 4 with a really strong footballing midfield of Cork and Defour.

He`s got a real stubbornness about using options he already has though. Moyes is getting a tune out of Beto and 1 or 2 others who were completely frozen out under Dyche.

[The Shire Claret]

Get him in at United

They wont go down then .....

[CoolClaret]

He`s got a real stubbornness about using options he already has though. Moyes is getting a tune out of Beto and 1 or 2 others who were completely frozen out under Dyche.

Lets see if it lasts!

Done tremendously well since he came in and he's a fantastic manager. Dyche had a heck of a lot to manage off the field with Everton, very different circumstances to what Moyes just walked into and Dyche by all accounts pretty much said he's took them as far as he could.

I wish we could just leave it like that and say he did a good job, that Moyes is doing a great job and craic on. Boring that everything has to be dug up and compared - situations and environments change!

[claretonthecoast1882]

Lets see if it lasts!

Done tremendously well since he came in and he's a fantastic manager. Dyche had a heck of a lot to manage off the field with Everton, very different circumstances to what Moyes just walked into and Dyche by all accounts pretty much said he's took them as far as he could.

I wish we could just leave it like that and say he did a good job, that Moyes is doing a great job and craic on. Boring that everything has to be dug up and compared - situations and environments change!

Exactly why I understand when managers or players decide to jump ship and don't worry about upsetting fans. Some of the stuff written about Dyche since he left is really poor but does show that pretty much no manager will ever be fully accepted here by the fan base.

Had Koleosho deciding he wanted out in the summer there would have been plenty hammering him for it he didn't, some of those will no doubt be those who you see say get him out the club.

[Goliath]

Lets see if it lasts!

Done tremendously well since he came in and he's a fantastic manager. Dyche had a heck of a lot to manage off the field with Everton, very different circumstances to what Moyes just walked into and Dyche by all accounts pretty much said he's took them as far as he could.

I wish we could just leave it like that and say he did a good job, that Moyes is doing a great job and craic on. Boring that everything has to be dug up and compared - situations and environments change!

A better comparison would be the side that Dyche took over at Everton to the side Moyes took over at Sunderland.

Both absolute basketcase clubs at the time but Sunderland are only just about recovering now from Moyes' spell.

[SouthLondonexile]

I’m guessing that this is a new managers bounce.
The real Everton has yet to emerge

[Jakubclaret]

Exactly why I understand when managers or players decide to jump ship and don't worry about upsetting fans. Some of the stuff written about Dyche since he left is really poor but does show that pretty much no manager will ever be fully accepted here by the fan base.

Had Koleosho deciding he wanted out in the summer there would have been plenty hammering him for it he didn't, some of those will no doubt be those who you see say get him out the club.

Managers & players will always do what's best for themselves & what the fans think will be a minor consideration if at all. Koleosho didn't want out because he knew what side his bread were buttered on. I don't think the fans would have been bothered nobody slags off odobert or berg or the rest that jumped ship the only criticism reservation was aimed directly at WW the rest conducted themselves properly & went off into the sunset with good luck.

[KRBFC]

Ah yes a new manager bounce always means the previous manager is poor. He's provided a really strong and well balanced group of players for Moyes to build on. Most managers would have relegated them by now, he did exactly what they needed him to do

3 wins in 21, they were heading one way. Dyche was significantly underachieving with that group of players.

[KRBFC]

He's never really had money to spend though. Would have been interesting to see him be given a chance to build a Premier league team on a decent budget.

When he spent here we ended up with a brilliant side based on a solid back 4 with a really strong footballing midfield of Cork and Defour.

People are really rewriting history with this Defour thing, Dyche barely used the fella and even shoe horned him at left midfield. The fans were crying out for Dyche to utilise him more.

[Goliath]

People are really rewriting history with this Defour thing, Dyche barely used the fella and even shoe horned him at left midfield. The fans were crying out for Dyche to utilise him more.

He was never fit. Dyche was on record as saying he's the best player he's ever managed and Defour very clearly has great admiration for Dyche. But somehow you know better.

[Goliath]

3 wins in 21, they were heading one way. Dyche was significantly underachieving with that group of players.

Yep they'd have finished 16th or 17th which is all that could be expected when he's had 2 years with no budget. His use of the market was really smart with signings like Ashley young on a free, jack Harrison on loan and Ndiaye for a good fee.

Instead of taking punts on some cheap foreigners like most managers would, and then being stuck with them on 4 year contracts. He just built a solid group of good pros.

[KRBFC]

He was never fit. Dyche was on record as saying he's the best player he's ever managed and Defour very clearly has great admiration for Dyche. But somehow you know better.

You’re remembering it all wrong and rewriting history, even when fit, he wasn’t always first choice in central midfield. So he wasn’t fit playing left midfield?

[Goliath]

You’re remembering it all wrong and rewriting history, even when fit, he wasn’t always first choice in central midfield. So he wasn’t fit playing left midfield?

No he wasn't anywhere near Premier League fitness for a side that had on average about 35% possession at the time. He's admitted that himself.

Ben Foster also commented on him having a bit of a belly on him at one point. As soon as he was properly fit he was first choice in central midfield with Cork and only lost his place due to injury from which he never recovered.

[beddie]

Why has this post suddenly been resurrected a month after the last entry? Is there really a need to have another go at Dyche.
I like to think I’m level headed and after watching Burnley for over 60 years through the good and bad times think Dyche has been one of the best Managers we have ever had. I do think some people have short memories.

[ksrclaret]

Why has this post suddenly been resurrected a month after the last entry? Is there really a need to have another go at Dyche.
I like to think I’m level headed and after watching Burnley for over 60 years through the good and bad times think Dyche has been one of the best Managers we have ever had. I do think some people have short memories.

It’s just the usual incel types doing him down these days.

Never happy with anything and always got to be arguing with someone about something!

[Big Vinny K]

Why has this post suddenly been resurrected a month after the last entry? Is there really a need to have another go at Dyche.
I like to think I’m level headed and after watching Burnley for over 60 years through the good and bad times think Dyche has been one of the best Managers we have ever had. I do think some people have short memories.

Absolutely spot on.
Never ceases to surprise me the attitude of some Burnley fans towards a manager that had more success than most fans could have ever of dreamed of. Unless you are blessed enough to have followed us prior to the mid 60s the period under SD was by a significant distance the most successful period on the last 50 or 60 years.
And in terms of off the field financial impact SD generated more revenue for the club in his tenure than has been generated in total in the rest of the clubs history.

That does not mean he did not make any mistakes but so has every manager on the history of our club and any other club. But when you look back at managers who have been very successful at a club it takes a strange sort of supporter to pull out the mistakes and negative times when the successes and positives outweigh them by so much.

[bumba]

I was vocal for him to go at the time and think he may have overstayed by a season but anybody who cannot appreciate what he did for our football club or that tries digging him out now is just ignorant and rude.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Ah yes a new manager bounce always means the previous manager is poor. He's provided a really strong and well balanced group of players for Moyes to build on. Most managers would have relegated them by now, he did exactly what they needed him to do

Moyes has also made a point of mentioning the good work dyche did before him

[Jakubclaret]

Moyes has also made a point of mentioning the good work dyche did before him

In fairness that's standard fare to be complimentary it's respect & moyes is from the old school. He's hardly likely to say he left the place a ****hole. I like dyche & it'll be interesting to see where he ends up next.

[warksclaret]

I was vocal for him to go at the time and think he may have overstayed by a season but anybody who cannot appreciate what he did for our football club or that tries digging him out now is just ignorant and rude.

Totally agree and having seen some of the challenges he faced at Everton and still kept them up comfortably,he has gone up even further in my estimation.It was actually good to see him Saturday night in an Indian restaurant in Kettering, with I think a lot of the old Forest players.

He will be in demand I suspect from one of the teams that drops into the Championship-my guess is that Nistelroy will throw the towel in at the end of the season and they appoint Sean to focus on rebuild, stability and promotion.

[Goliath]

In fairness that's standard fare to be complimentary it's respect & moyes is from the old school. He's hardly likely to say he left the place a ****hole. I like dyche & it'll be interesting to see where he ends up next.

Not at all. I'd say it's more standard for a manager to say the players weren't fit enough. Hear that one all the time.

[Spijed]

Moyes has also made a point of mentioning the good work dyche did before him

No doubt very good friends as well.

[bfcjg]

How soon some turn on a Claret legend.

[ClaretPete001]

Dyche did a brilliant job in the first two seasons at Everton but he lost his way this season. Saying that it would have been just like one of his teams to put together a 5 match unbeaten run and zoom up the table.

Had he been at another club I think they would have had more respect for him and given him more time but Everton isn’t that kind of club.

Moyes is doing an excellent job and is a quality manager but let’s not forget it was only last season he was pretty much hounded out of the West Ham by the fans and had himself seemingly lost his way.

Moyes also has had stinkers at other clubs both here and abroad. I think most pundits give Dyche due credit for what he did at Everton.

[DanH90]

I don’t understand why people have to be so black and white, there is allowed to be some nuance regarding Dyche. Did an amazing job for us, best manager in my lifetime and arguably the best manager we’ve ever had. However (and he displayed this with us) unless he is able to rid himself of the stubbornness he shows, in terms of tactics, personnel and culture, then he won’t be anything more than a PL firefighter or a top championship manager. He needs to adapt or he will be forgotten, we’ve seen it happen to countless good managers.

[Jakubclaret]

Not at all. I'd say it's more standard for a manager to say the players weren't fit enough. Hear that one all the time.

I'm sure that would have motivated them. Dyche overall did nothing major wrong but after seeing the difference since moyes took over it's difficult to argue that they didn't do the right thing. I actually thought everton had made the wrong decision because I didn't realise moyes was lined up & I thought they'd get some foreign name.

[CoolClaret]

I don’t understand why people have to be so black and white, there is allowed to be some nuance regarding Dyche. Did an amazing job for us, best manager in my lifetime and arguably the best manager we’ve ever had. However (and he displayed this with us) unless he is able to rid himself of the stubbornness he shows, in terms of tactics, personnel and culture, then he won’t be anything more than a PL firefighter or a top championship manager. He needs to adapt or he will be forgotten, we’ve seen it happen to countless good managers.

I agree. I genuinely think it'd do him the world of good to get a new number two/coaching staff to freshen things up, have a few new voices etc.
He should take this time out like prior managers have done, working on their craft, not sitting on his laurels.

[Stayingup]

When under Dyche, the team.played in Europe that season he was I think, more or less starved of funds and ended up signing Dale Stephens who was hopeless. Dyche did bring in some free and low cost signings who were very successful. Heaton, Arfoield, Bond, Barnes and Barton to name some of them. He was a success at Burnley without doubt.

[warksclaret]

When under Dyche, the team played in Europe that season he was I think, more or less starved of funds and ended up signing Dale Stephens who was hopeless. Dyche did bring in some free and low cost signings who were very successful. Heaton, Arfoield, Bond, Barnes and Barton to name some of them. He was a success at Burnley without doubt.

Whilst it was time to go, he got us two promotions to the PL with the minimum of spend both times, got us into Europe for the first time in almost 60 years and kept us in the PL for 7 years. He also was influential in six of our players making their England debut Plus he did it with Woan & Stone , who sorry, but I just don't rate them. I have followed Burnley since '62 and he's the best manager since Harry Potts

[Turftalkers mentor]

Whilst it was time to go, he got us two promotions to the PL with the minimum of spend both times, got us into Europe for the first time in almost 60 years and kept us in the PL for 7 years. He also was influential in six of our players making their England debut Plus he did it with Woan & Stone , who sorry, but I just don't rate them. I have followed Burnley since '62 and he's the best manager since Harry Potts

I likewise have been going on’t Turf since 1958 and have to say I agree with the above wholeheartedly .
Sean Dyche fantastic manager did it all spending by Premier League standards buttons

[jrgbfc]

Whilst it was time to go, he got us two promotions to the PL with the minimum of spend both times, got us into Europe for the first time in almost 60 years and kept us in the PL for 7 years. He also was influential in six of our players making their England debut Plus he did it with Woan & Stone , who sorry, but I just don't rate them. I have followed Burnley since '62 and he's the best manager since Harry Potts

Didn't Stone come in later, after he was canned from the youth setup for alleged bullying? I'm yet to hear anyone with a good word to say about him.

[Turftalkers mentor]

I don’t understand why people have to be so black and white, there is allowed to be some nuance regarding Dyche. Did an amazing job for us, best manager in my lifetime and arguably the best manager we’ve ever had. However (and he displayed this with us) unless he is able to rid himself of the stubbornness he shows, in terms of tactics, personnel and culture, then he won’t be anything more than a PL firefighter or a top championship manager. He needs to adapt or he will be forgotten, we’ve seen it happen to countless good managers.

If part of your rationale is Sean Dyche’s “stubbornness “ being a bar to him being a better manager, presumably the same reasoning must be applied to the current incumbent