Summer 2024 Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

[claretspice]

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Rak Sakyi another winger
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Do we need another winger?
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I think there's an argument we do yes. We've a surfeit of wingers who prefer the left but only really Benson who prefers the right (assuming these days JBG is viewed as more of a central option). If we are moving Odobert and Tresor out I think there's a real case for a genuine additional right wing option which I think Rak Sakyi is, more in the Tella mould. It's back to the point that in .any different ways the squad is as or more talented town 22/23 but is currently less well balanced.

[claretspice]

Turkish media (again!) - this time saying Trabzonspor are looking at Josh Brownhill

At one point I thought it was quite likely we'd lose Brownhill and Berge this summer and that itd be manageable.

But after Cork's depature (I thought we might retain as cover) and Ramsey's injury, plus the potential departure of O'Shea as an experienced championship hand and leader, I suspect we really need to retain him and bank on persuading him to re-sign.

[burnley007]

Cashing in on Brownhill makes sense, even though I would be sad to see him go.

[claretskeith]

It makes sense that he's in the last year of his contract. It doesn't make sense that he could be the difference between promotion and staying down.

We need to keep him.

[TheFamilyCat]

I'd say Brownhill is one we need to keep this season. He's also one who we would need to upgrade next season (if we go up). Getting a season out of him is worth more than the million quid or so we might get for him.

[Steddyman]

Rak Sakyi another winger

Loan, so he'll be off to Sheffield United.

[jojomk1]

What is this fixation with some that JBG is an effective central midfielder

Has he ever actually played there - I know he has been tried as a deeper no 10 but I just don't see him as part of a central midfield pairing

At his age he doesn't have the required pace, strength and stamina plus he is so biased towards his left foot he would struggle - cue for the old timers to drool over David Jones

Beyer would do better and I don't want to see him there either

If Berge or Brownhill (worse both) go this is blatantly our weakest position

[KlyBfc]

What is this fixation with some that JBG is an effective central midfielder

Has he ever actually played there - I know he has been tried as a deeper no 10 but I just don't see him as part of a central midfield pairing

At his age he doesn't have the required pace, strength and stamina plus he is so biased towards his left foot he would struggle - cue for the old timers to drool over David Jones

Beyer would do better and I don't want to see him there either

If Berge or Brownhill (worse both) go this is blatantly our weakest position

Johan played in the centre for a quite a few games in our last championship season and played really well

[Goody1975]

Johan played in the centre for a quite a few games in our last championship season and played really well

Yes, and he isn't going to play there in a midfield two. He is more likely to play in the 'Brownhill' role of 22/23, especially if we dominate possession and need the guile to unlock a defensive side.

[RVclaret]

Yes, and he isn't going to play there in a midfield two. He is more likely to play in the 'Brownhill' role of 22/23, especially if we dominate possession and need the guile to unlock a defensive side.

There are more shapes available than a 4-2-3-1 you know. Johan played on the left side of a 4-3-3 midfield last time. It’s quite a popular system, isn’t new and one Parker used occasionally at Bournemouth.

[Goody1975]

There are more shapes available than a 4-2-3-1 you know. Johan played on the left side of a 4-3-3 midfield last time. It’s quite a popular system, isn’t new and one Parker used occasionally at Bournemouth.

I don't know whether you are agreeing with me or not? I've never suggested that we are pigeonholed to a 4-2-3-1 formation.

The point I was making is that he won't be playing as a midfield two or as an orthodox central midfielder. The point was being made that he is more suited to playing centrally now and had done successfully in 22/23. I agreed with this and said he'd play more of the Brownhill role than Berge, he's excellent at finding that killer pass in tight spaces.

[claretspice]

I don't know whether you are agreeing with me or not? I've never suggested that we are pigeonholed to a 4-2-3-1 formation.

The point I was making is that he won't be playing as a midfield two or as an orthodox central midfielder. The point was being made that he is more suited to playing centrally now and had done successfully in 22/23. I agreed with this and said he'd play more of the Brownhill role than Berge, he's excellent at finding that killer pass in tight spaces.

I agree that when he played centrally under Kompany it was ahead of a double pivot or as one of two 8s (and i expect him to be used in those roles this season) but actually I don't see why JBG couldn't play as an orthodox central midfielder. He's good at moving the ball, comfortable in possession, reads the game well and doesn't shirk the hard yards defensively. He might not play alongside Cullen but he could certainly play instead of him should that be needed.

[Goody1975]

I agree that when he played centrally under Kompany it was ahead of a double pivot or as one of two 8s, but actually I don't see why JBG couldn't play as an orthodox central midfielder. He's good at moving the ball, comfortable in possession, reads the game well and doesn't shirk the hard yards defensively. He might not play alongside Cullen but he could certainly play instead of him should that be needed.

I'm sure in certain scenarios it could work but I'd be very nervous of us playing a central two of Cullen and JBG. I'm not sure who he would be partnered with for this to be successful, maybe Berge but I'd be unsure of it's success if it was with Brownhill.

[IWOODLOVETT]

I may be wrong, but I think that he captained his country in a midfield position in the recent friendly at Wembley.

[claretspice]

I'm sure in certain scenarios it could work but I'd be very nervous of us playing a central two of Cullen and JBG. I'm not sure who he would be partnered with for this to be successful, maybe Berge but I'd be unsure of it's success if it was with Brownhill.

I'd be pretty relaxed about that partnership at this level. Easy to underestimate JBG as a player - he's got a bit of everything, including a football brain. He's a very intelligent footballer. I'd back him to adapt to playing alongside a box to box player like Brownhill should the need arise.

[FeedTheArf]

Wonder if we’ll go for Cork as a short term option if one of Berge or Brownhill goes before the window closes. It is curious that nobody took his number and he hasn’t been linked to any team all summer.

[Stockbrokerbelt]

Wonder if we’ll go for Cork as a short term option if one of Berge or Brownhill goes before the window closes. It is curious that nobody took his number and he hasn’t been linked to any team all summer.

Rumour of him going to knobend a few weeks ago but it might also tell you something else?

[Claretprinter]

He was in Gawthorpe this week. If he hasn't gone by Monday, we should play him. He would be top at this level, the new Ashley.

Just spotted him in Crow Wood restaurant having.a meal and colouring something in with some crayons.

[warksclaret]

I may be wrong, but I think that he captained his country in a midfield position in the recent friendly at Wembley.

He did, but lets not forget Iceland has less population than Leicester

[warksclaret]

The fact no one has signed Cork , or JBG up to the time he re- signed for us, maybe says a lot about both players. Both have been exceptional players, and very popular with our fans, but we need to move on now because of their age and lack of pace, if we want to be winning a significant number of games in this league. OK JBG has re-signed for us and he will be a a good squad player ( SD used to describe these players as "fillers" in the squad).But if any one of Berge or Brownhill move, we need to replace with a quality midfielder rather than assuming JBG can do the job twice a week in most instances.

[boatshed bill]

He did, but lets not forget Iceland has less population than Leicester

By that logic China would win the World Cup with India runners up

[warksclaret]

By that logic China would win the World Cup with India runners up

[Row Z]

Rumour of him going to knobend a few weeks ago but it might also tell you something else?

Think there was some backlash from their fans about them being linked with him… think he could still do a job as a sitting midfielder for lower champ side, although I base that off nothing having not seen him feature properly for a long time.

[Goliath]

Think there was some backlash from their fans about them being linked with him… think he could still do a job as a sitting midfielder for lower champ side, although I base that off nothing having not seen him feature properly for a long time.

I saw that, hilarious if the backlash has cost them the signing. He would be the best central midfielder they've had for many a year.

[Silkyskills1]

I agree that when he played centrally under Kompany it was ahead of a double pivot or as one of two 8s

What on earth does this mean? Seriously, I've been watching us since 1958 and genuinely believe I know a bit about football but now I'm more than a little confused. Anyone care to explain please.

[Goliath]

What on earth does this mean? Seriously, I've been watching us since 1958 and genuinely believe I know a bit about football but now I'm more than a little confused. Anyone care to explain please.

Left of a traditional midfield 3 or as a number 10 ahead of 2 holding midfielders.

[CoolClaret]

What on earth does this mean? Seriously, I've been watching us since 1958 and genuinely believe I know a bit about football but now I'm more than a little confused. Anyone care to explain please.

'Double pivot' basically means two holding midfielders - usually in a 4-2-3-1 formation.

'Dual 8s' refers to the role of the midfielders in a 3 man midfield system that has a 'single pivot' (defensive midfielder), i.e a 4-3-3 or a 3-5-2.

[Silkyskills1]

'Double pivot' basically means two holding midfielders - usually in a 4-2-3-1 formation.

'Dual 8s' refers to the role of the midfielders in a 3 man midfield system that has a 'single pivot' (defensive midfielder), i.e a 4-3-3 or a 3-5-2.

Thanks for that. Just wondering if Jimmy Mac had a double pivot.

[Big Vinny K]

Thanks for that. Just wondering if Jimmy Mac had a double pivot.

I believe he did but a course of antibiotics got rid of it after a week

[claretskeith]

I believe he did but a course of antibiotics got rid of it after a week

*Starts writing out the prescription*

*What's up doc?*

*Take these for 2 weeks and you'll be fine*

[Silkyskills1]

Thankfully no one asked who was he? Small mercies.

[Swizzlestick]

PNE fans turning their nose up at Jack Cork really does sum up that club and why they are where they are.

[andyh]

Yea I. Mean we would never turn our nose up at their Captain joining us in their mid 30s (sarcasm). I remember the outrage at Alexander joining.

[blatherwickstattoos]

Yea I. Mean we would never turn our nose up at their Captain joining us in their mid 30s (sarcasm). I remember the outrage at Alexander joining.

Didn’t work out too badly that one. Although he was no right back at that time anymore.

[Swizzlestick]

Yea I. Mean we would never turn our nose up at their Captain joining us in their mid 30s (sarcasm). I remember the outrage at Alexander joining.

Grezza a good player for us but a slightly different pedigree. Plus, JC has been playing at a better club, at a better standard, for longer.

[Woodleyclaret]

JC would be an excellent player coach for any lower league team

[TsarBomba]

Sheff Utd set to win the race for Rak-Sakyi.

[burnley007]

Sheff Utd set to win the race for Rak-Sakyi.

I'm hoping that's because of
a) Tresor is heading back into training

AND/OR

b) We are re-signing JBL. (Been watching M2B and he just looks such a good kid, good work ethic) I'm not sure how much he would cost, but I seem to remember it only being around £5m??

[Murger]

I'm hoping that's because of
a) Tresor is heading back into training

AND/OR

b) We are re-signing JBL. (Been watching M2B and he just looks such a good kid, good work ethic) I'm not sure how much he would cost, but I seem to remember it only being around £5m??

Or we have enough wingers and don’t need another one.

[Steddyman]

Sheff Utd set to win the race for Rak-Sakyi.

Called it. They will have to replace the entire team if they are promoted.

[Quicknick]

Called it. They will have to replace the entire team if they are promoted.

Exactly what I've been thinking. And they'd never be able to afford it. Result: relegation.

[123EasyasBFC]

Called it. They will have to replace the entire team if they are promoted.

Why will they need to replace their entire team? So far they only have one loan signing don’t they

[burnley007]

Or we have enough wingers and don’t need another one.

I get that, but why would we have been linked with him? Maybe we were considering adding ANOTHER winger for whatever reason, then things changed, (Or Not).

[123EasyasBFC]

Or we have enough wingers and don’t need another one.

Benson koleosho odobert zaroury the current fit wingers then you can add JBG and ageyi to that, we don’t know how long Redmond is out for and the Tresor situation.

With koleosho coming back from a long term injury and bensons injury reckon, I can see why we are potentially looking at another right winger

[ArmchairDetective]

If we don't have enough wingers now then we never will.

I doubt JBL signs. We are focused on meeting the homegrown quota.

[Foshiznik]

Benson koleosho odobert zaroury the current fit wingers then you can add JBG and ageyi to that, we don’t know how long Redmond is out for and the Tresor situation.

With koleosho coming back from a long term injury and bensons injury reckon, I can see why we are potentially looking at another right winger

We have 6 wingers fit and 2 injured not considering Ramsay, Vitinho, Pires, Hountondji, Foster and even Brownhill have also played out wide in the past and you still think we need another winger? I'd say we have pretty good cover.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Benson koleosho odobert zaroury the current fit wingers then you can add JBG and ageyi to that, we don’t know how long Redmond is out for and the Tresor situation.

With koleosho coming back from a long term injury and bensons injury reckon, I can see why we are potentially looking at another right winger

I think winger is probably one of the only positions that we defo do not need anyone else.

[Woodleyclaret]

If Sander or Josh leave we need a ball winning cm Branigan at Oxford looks a decent shout.

[123EasyasBFC]

We have 6 wingers fit and 2 injured not considering Ramsay, Vitinho, Pires, Hountondji, Foster and even Brownhill have also played out wide in the past and you still think we need another winger? I'd say we have pretty good cover.

We have have 2 wingers who’s favoured position is right wing, benson and Redmond. Redmond is injured and bensons injury record isn’t great. I’m just saying I can see why we might be in for a right winger

[mybloodisclaret]

Koleosho definitely seemed to play more to the right against Cadiz