Transfer Rumours Thread - NO FINANCIAL DISCUSSION

[RVclaret]

You know that isn't true because you are aware of Ryan Christie.

Pete that was last summer, I’m talking about the one before

[KRBFC]

When do we get to ask the question legitimately on asset stripping?

The football club is going to end up the only loser in this whole sorry affair. Exciting times.

When we sell our best players and replace them with freebies and loans, oh wait....


PSG paid £170m for Mbappe, Burnley FC paid £170m for Alan Pace.

To what benefit? I'd bet we spent more under Garlick (net) than under ALK. Higher ticket prices and more empty seats. Academy gone backwards, communication at an all time low. Income (minus TV deal/transfers out) was down? This idea they were gonna generate extra revenue by making us more of a global brand and selling more shirts turned out to be a complete myth. Relegated under their watch.

So what exactly has the benefit been? I liked the bold decision to sack Dyche and I like the Kompany appointment. Transfer reveal videos are pretty cool compared to the old Crouch robot video. Is this worth the club paying £102M in debts for new owners? (I'll even remove the money owed to Garlick still)

[UpTheClaretsFCBK]

Shock Horror!!! A Premier League standard player doesn't want to stay at a relegated club. This is the reality of us being relegated.

Just like we don't seem to be hanging around signing players, moving into next targets quickly rather than hanging around we seem to be doing the same when players are wanting to leave, yes we may not our desired value but once a player wants to go...he is going, so best getting them out the door.

Not happy with this but was always going to happen, now let's get him out the door, get the money and re invest

Pace has seen Tarkowski walk for free and decided he's never letting that happen again. If there's profit there, he's going to take it.

[Commy]

Didn't someone say Wolves were skint?

[warksclaret]

Works both ways-the 5/ 6 guys we have signed were all happy to leave and join us

[ClaretPete001]

Pete that was last summer, I’m talking about the one before

Oh ok, yes they didn't spend anything the season before.

[Conroysleftfoot]

Release clause on relegation?

I get the release clause, it's the amount that we agreed to that seems very low.
But, as an earlier poster pointed out, perhaps Collins only agreed to join us if the release clause was that low.

[RVclaret]

Nixon reckons we want around 30m.

Worth mentioning he was the one who broke Wolves’ interest in the first place.

[Newcastleclaret93]

When we sell our best players and replace them with freebies and loans, oh wait....


PSG paid £170m for Mbappe, Burnley FC paid £170m for Alan Pace.

To what benefit? I'd bet we spent more under Garlick (net) than under ALK. Higher ticket prices and more empty seats. Academy gone backwards, communication at an all time low. Income (minus TV deal/transfers out) was down? This idea they were gonna generate extra revenue by making us more of a global brand and selling more shirts turned out to be a complete myth. Relegated under their watch.

So what exactly has the benefit been? I liked the bold decision to sack Dyche and I like the Kompany appointment. Transfer reveal videos are pretty cool compared to the old Crouch robot video. Is this worth the club paying £102M in debts for new owners? (I'll even remove the money owed to Garlick still)

Some fair points there tbh.

I was very excited and optimistic about this season. It is quickly evaporating with this news. It’s now pretty likely we are not going to be promoted.

[gawthorpe_view]

When's our first home game again? At this rate the stadium might have been sold by the time we get back!!

Wouldn't be the first time though.

[RVclaret]

It’s now pretty likely we are not going to be promoted.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Saving this for end of the season.

[gandhisflipflop]

Some fair points there tbh.

I was very excited and optimistic about this season. It is quickly evaporating with this news. It’s now pretty likely we are not going to be promoted.

Jesus Christ.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Jesus Christ.

Do you still think promotion is likely then?

[RVclaret]

Saving this for end of the season.

I’m just laughing at your ability to suggest at this exact point in time, without knowing the full facts of the deal, without knowing what reinvestment we’ll do, how the new signings will do and pretty much everything else, that we are now likely to not be promoted because of an expected sale.

[fidelcastro]

I'm not sure how anyone can possibly know if we're promotion contenders yet.

How do I know this? Well... we haven't played a sodding game yet!

[Newcastleclaret93]

I’m just laughing at your ability to suggest at this exact point in time, without knowing the full facts of the deal, without knowing what reinvestment we’ll do, how the new signings will do and pretty much everything else, that we are now likely to not be promoted because of an expected sale.

I’m basing it purely on our business so far.

Sell, get rid of our current performers and buy unproven talent.

Collins and McNeil were the two players we needed to build our promotion push around.

[TsarBomba]

It could be that without the quoted release clauses, Collins and Cornet would not have signed for us.

Correct.

[Paddy1882]

No surprise that Collins is off, dissapointed to be losing a good player but this was always going to be the ALK model, sell players for X amount, allow a small amount of that to be reinvested and the rest goes towards financing loans, debt however you want to put it. Also think the Collins deal will go the way of quite a lot of undisclosed ones, the club buying will say to their sources or local press etc closer to £20million and the club selling will say closer to £30million, either way it’s rare bar the clubs involved anyone finds out the true price.

[dandeclaret]

If it hadn’t been for an injury Collins wouldn’t have played more than a handful of games and nobody would have missed him.

In the words of Gino D’Accampo…. If my auntie had wheels she’d be a bike.

[fidelcastro]

I’m basing it purely on our business so far.

Sell, get rid of our current performers and buy unproven talent.

Collins and McNeil were the two players we needed to build our promotion push around.

Are you actually planning to attend this season, or just mainly snipe from the sidelines as usual?

[Granny WeatherWax]

Seems a fair bit of business. That’s the market and if he wants to go what can we do. He’s played less than 20 games in the EPL and looked ok.

[ksrclaret]

Some fair points there tbh.

I was very excited and optimistic about this season. It is quickly evaporating with this news. It’s now pretty likely we are not going to be promoted.

You really do come across as a child. Do you mind me asking how old you actually are?

[ksrclaret]

We were always going to sell these players, by the way. How many other defenders of his profile have gone for £30m in recent times? £20m isn't as wacky as some of you are making out here.

[Newcastleclaret93]

You really do come across as a child. Do you mind me asking how old you actually are?

Why result to degrading comments.
My opinion is that we are losing a critical member of the squad. Top talents are the difference between championship mediocrity and promotion.

We are losing one of our only genuine premier league talents, so yes I personally think this move will likely result in promotion not happening.

How is that a childish view?

[claret2018]

Yeah £20m+ seems about right for an unproven PL centre half with potential.

Some fans have got mental ideas of how much we should sell players. We vastly over-egg how good some of our players actually are. No one wanted to pay a fee for Tarks, no one wants Mee for free and Pope sold for a fee that some were expecting 4x the amount for.

Get real. No one is going to spend big on any of the players that just got relegated and played bloody awfully for the last year.

[AwayClaret]

Been away for a few hours have I missed anything??

[TsarBomba]

Can we all stop losing our minds until the deal is actually finalised.

Collins was never worth £40M as I’ve seen people trying to suggest, and Nixon is saying we want £30M.

[ClaretTony]

No one wanted to pay a fee for Tarks

That is very definitely not the case - we had offers but chose not to sell

[NewClaret]

Been away for a few hours have I missed anything??

There’s always one AwayClaret

[RVclaret]

That is very definitely not the case - we had offers but chose not to sell

Dyche chose not to sell

[alwaysaclaret]

Ben Davies anybody ?

[ClaretTony]

Ben Davies anybody ?

Is that the lad who went from Preston to Liverpool? I’ve seen him linked with someone today.

[alwaysaclaret]

I’m basing it purely on our business so far.

Sell, get rid of our current performers and buy unproven talent.

Collins and McNeil were the two players we needed to build our promotion push around.

You don't rate cornet then

[BigChaCha]

Collins and McNeil were the two players we needed to build our promotion push around.

Extremely naive to think we would be building a team around our saleable assets... We were only ever going to keep 2 of them at best and even that is pushing it.

[Newcastleclaret93]

You don't rate cornet then

Yep. Just basing it on the fact he’s already gone in my thinking. No chance he stays

[RVclaret]

Is that the lad who went from Preston to Liverpool? I’ve seen him linked with someone today.

Stoke and Blackburn linked I think. Problem is he’s on 60k a week.

[alwaysaclaret]

Is that the lad who went from Preston to Liverpool? I’ve seen him linked with someone today.

Stoke and b******s, but I'd certainly have him.

[AwayClaret]

There’s ONLY one AwayClaret

Corrected that for ya

So Collins is off. I'll be surprised if it's for £20.5m. But it is what it is.

[JR1882]

This is how the best clubs operate (has been city’s model for the last few years)

Everyone is for sale always, player X costs £y - Meet it or go elsewhere.

I’d argue we have set our £y a little low here for Collins but you have to get the logic - we could have sold Tarks for 15-20m last summer but we wanted to stay up (we still went down with him) so lost 20m + 2-2.5m in Wages for no gain - hindsight is easy but I guess this strategy is about preventing that.

[kaptin1]

It’s nonsense to be arguing over a single figure. Even if the £20.5m is correct, there could be lots of other variables such as proportion paid up front, potential for add ons and the size of any sell on clause. Those factors could make a huge difference to the overall “value”. Deal structure is massively important.

[Tall Paul]

Dear god, the overreactions to every bit of news are mental.

[gandhisflipflop]

Do you still think promotion is likely then?

I don’t know is the answer. What I do know is that you was coming on here less than 9 months ago saying how you rated Collins as being ‘bambi on ice’, so forgive me if I don’t take your opinions seriously.

[ClaretTony]

Stoke and Blackburn linked I think. Problem is he’s on 60k a week.

I should have remembered that given it was Blackburn.

I did hear we were close to getting him and then Liverpool stepped in.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I don’t know is the answer. What I do know is that you was coming on here less than 9 months ago saying how you rated Collins as being ‘bambi on ice’, so forgive me if I don’t take your opinions seriously.

I’m sure I could take a snippet from one post you made in the past to use it against you as well.

So your sitting on the fence. Very brave of you to criticise people that arnt.

[warksclaret]

No one welcomes the Collins news-he was our shining light last season. But who would have betted their house he was staying, and at times we need to remind ourselves of reality. Make no mistake I will be gutted if he goes

[spt_claret]

When do we get to ask the question legitimately on asset stripping?

The football club is going to end up the only loser in this whole sorry affair. Exciting times.

When we've been in League One for a couple of years most likely. Remember the Orient, Sky Digital and all that.
But hey we'll be the most youthful team in the lower leagues so there's something to be excited about.

[AwayClaret]

[Rileybobs]

Surprised there’s interest above £20m to be honest. The lad has got potential that’s for sure, but he’s played just half a season, fairly averagely, for a relegated side. I would certainly prefer to keep him but getting anything above £20m would represent a very tidy profit in a very short space of time.

The problem is of course we know what the significant part of this sum will be used for and unfortunately it won’t be re-investment in the playing squad.

[Shaggy]

Top notch drama queenery already on display and we are only mid July.