England v India 2nd test (Lords)

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:13 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:06 am
Robinson gets Rahul 2nd ball of the day

Cricket in a nutshell.

Bats really well all yesterday, scoring 120odd against the swinging ball and then chips a tame 75mph half volley to cover.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:18 am

One of the presenters on SSN used those fateful words yesterday that are normally the death knell when attributed to England

"INDIA ARE IN A COMMANDING POSITION"

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:36 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:13 am
Cricket in a nutshell.

Bats really well all yesterday, scoring 120odd against the swinging ball and then chips a tame 75mph half volley to cover.

Yup different game had he gone 2nd ball yesterday.. On the plus side Wood just got the dangerous Pant out

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:37 pm

Ali gets one 336/7

minnieclaret · Post by **minnieclaret** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 2:27 pm

Sir Fivefer strikes again. 364-9

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 2:27 pm

5 for Jimmy 364/9

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 2:32 pm

All out Wood gets number 2

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 2:35 pm

How good is Jimmy Anderson still? Another fivefer at Lords against a good batting team. He should get a knighthood whilst he is still playing, in my opinion, to reflect his immense contribution to English cricket.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 2:40 pm

Vino blanco wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 13, 2021 2:35 pm
How good is Jimmy Anderson still? Another fivefer at Lords against a good batting team. He should get a knighthood whilst he is still playing, in my opinion, to reflect his immense contribution to English cricket.

Itd be nice if his home town did something to recognise his achievements.

It will take someone special ( and probably will never happen ) to pass him as the towns greatest ever sportsman.

Arise Sir James!

Lord_Bob · Post by **Lord_Bob** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 2:45 pm

Sir James??? How about Lord James of Burnley? and would someone please get that statue built please?

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:04 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:13 am
Anderson’s legs went 9 years ago.

Another 5 wicket haul from the legless Anderson

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:08 pm

mdd2 wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:04 pm

Another 5 wicket haul from the legless Anderson

Imagine how many Wickets he could get if he had legs .....

welsbyswife · Post by **welsbyswife** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:20 pm

Vino blanco wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 13, 2021 2:35 pm
How good is Jimmy Anderson still? Another fivefer at Lords against a good batting team. He should get a knighthood whilst he is still playing, in my opinion, to reflect his immense contribution to English cricket.

Sir Jimmy would be ok as long as he has no plans to go into kids TV when he retires

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:31 pm

Good fightback from England today, but still a decent total on the board for India, now all down to how well England can bat 1st innings, if they can get close to parity,or even heaven forbid a lead, we may still have a game on, but I'd rather be in India's position right now, they've got the runs on the board, and 364 in England is fair going, especially when your facing the greatest fast bowler in the history of the sport.

Solid enough start by Burns & Sibley, yes it's slow going, but the main thing is seeing off the new ball without losing wickets, there's plenty of time in the match, and England should be looking to bat until late tomorrow, if they can achieve that feat, we could be in for a cracking last 2 days of test cricket.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:06 pm

Sobley gives it away again.

Simple chip to mid wicket in the trap set.

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:08 pm

Hameed did well there, just about sums our batting.

onewillieirvine · Post by **onewillieirvine** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:08 pm

Haseeb on the Bakerloo line....

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:08 pm

Hameed 1st baller

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:08 pm

What has Hameed done there? It didn’t do anything!

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:11 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:08 pm
What has Hameed done there? It didn’t do anything!

I've watched it a few times. It does absolutely nothing. Hameed just got it horribly wrong.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:12 pm

Constantly being 20 for 2 after an hour an half of batting, we might as well open with Roy & Hales

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:13 pm

Rabbits infront of headlights springs to mind

Vanders1994 · Post by **Vanders1994** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:14 pm

Whilst Hameed got it horribly wrong, surely Sibley has to be under intense pressure now he shouldn't bat for an hour and then give his wicket away like that

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:16 pm

Vanders1994 wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:14 pm
Whilst Hameed got it horribly wrong, surely Sibley has to be under intense pressure now he shouldn't bat for an hour and then give his wicket away like that

Yep, it was bad from Hameed but can at least be put down to nerves.
Sibley looks a million miles away, in technique and ability.

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:17 pm

Root apart, we haven’t a batsman who knows how to build a test innings. I despair when I think about the Ashes with this lot.

onewillieirvine · Post by **onewillieirvine** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:17 pm

We've managed to bat for sixteen overs and gone nowhere again. The Aussie quicks will be rubbing their hands

Vanders1994 · Post by **Vanders1994** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:23 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:16 pm
Yep, it was bad from Hameed but can at least be put down to nerves.
Sibley looks a million miles away, in technique and ability.

I'd agree the problem also comes who else can replace sibley I can't think of anyone in county cricket who is making a solid case to replace him

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:30 pm

Vanders1994 wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:23 pm
I'd agree the problem also comes who else can replace sibley I can't think of anyone in county cricket who is making a solid case to replace him

Me either. A lad at Sussex called Haines seems to get a lot of runs but I’ve never seen him play.

onewillieirvine · Post by **onewillieirvine** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:31 pm

One of the problems is there's no red ball cricket played through the summer, no chance for any of this lot to run into any form.

Milltown1882 · Post by **Milltown1882** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:38 pm

We have a new record. Haseeb Hameed's nought is the 14th duck by a top-three England batsman this year in England's 10th Test. It's the most Test ducks in a calendar year by any team, breaking the 13 by England in 1998.

Anyone else that would happily take a delayed Ashes at the moment?

CleggHall · Post by **CleggHall** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:43 pm

Hameed has played so little cricket recently, the scheduling is all wrong for test cricket, white-ball wonderland rules OK!

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:45 pm

mdd2 wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:04 pm

Another 5 wicket haul from the legless Anderson

I thought my remark about Anderson’s legs going 9 years ago would have been seen an obvious dig at our fans who claim that our player’s legs go at 30. Clearly not

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:48 pm

onewillieirvine wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:31 pm
One of the problems is there's no red ball cricket played through the summer, no chance for any of this lot to run into any form.

Same could be said of the Indian players.

onewillieirvine · Post by **onewillieirvine** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:53 pm

Indeed it is but they managed to lose seven for approx a hundred today.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 5:02 pm

They’ve got a long tail but only two of the recognised batters failed.

Hopefully we can say the same.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 5:04 pm

Vanders1994 wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:23 pm
I'd agree the problem also comes who else can replace sibley I can't think of anyone in county cricket who is making a solid case to replace him

As the openers play so defensive, the Indian bowlers can just run up and bowl where they like.
Alex Davies of Lancs averages late 40s in CC this year I think and puts pressure back on the bowler.

Another option is to give Sam Curran an opening spot with the intention to put pressure back on the bowlers. He can bat a bit and might spread the fields quickly.
He's not going to be in the side as a bowler once we have them all back fit but if he could open the batting and be a 6th choice bowler. Then he could be a useful addition.

We really are at desperation levels here.

bodge · Post by **bodge** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 5:13 pm

It shows what a desperate position we are in when Crasher Hameed makes the Test team.

Iloveyoubrady · Post by **Iloveyoubrady** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 5:18 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 13, 2021 5:04 pm

Another option is to give Sam Curran an opening spot with the intention to put pressure back on the bowlers. He can bat a bit and might spread the fields quickly.
He's not going to be in the side as a bowler once we have them all back fit but if he could open the batting and be a 6th choice bowler. Then he could be a useful addition.

We really are at desperation levels here.

They’ve tried the quick scoring opener before with Roy and hales - both were ****. Sibley has the right mindset for opening the batting of getting through the new ball. However, his technique is just so weird he can’t then score off a bad ball when it comes unless it is down the leg side. Burns is quite good I think seems to get a few runs. Crawley I think is simply disastrous and a complete lost cause. He scored 270 odd and still averages 30. How he ever got that I don’t know but he isn’t good enough for the county championship never mind the test side. Dan Lawrence is a bit better but similar. Surely we select the players in the county championship who score the most runs - it makes sense. Don’t select bloody Crawley.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 5:19 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 13, 2021 5:04 pm
As the openers play so defensive, the Indian bowlers can just run up and bowl where they like.
Alex Davies of Lancs averages late 40s in CC this year I think and puts pressure back on the bowler.

Another option is to give Sam Curran an opening spot with the intention to put pressure back on the bowlers. He can bat a bit and might spread the fields quickly.
He's not going to be in the side as a bowler once we have them all back fit but if he could open the batting and be a 6th choice bowler. Then he could be a useful addition.

We really are at desperation levels here.

I don't think there's anything wrong with playing defensively. The issue, particularly with Sibley is that he shows no intention to manoeuvre the ball and pick up singles to at least keep the scoreboard ticking.

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 5:41 pm

Could do with Burns putting in a big score.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 5:53 pm

Iloveyoubrady wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 13, 2021 5:18 pm
They’ve tried the quick scoring opener before with Roy and hales - both were ****. Sibley has the right mindset for opening the batting of getting through the new ball. However, his technique is just so weird he can’t then score off a bad ball when it comes unless it is down the leg side. Burns is quite good I think seems to get a few runs. Crawley I think is simply disastrous and a complete lost cause. He scored 270 odd and still averages 30. How he ever got that I don’t know but he isn’t good enough for the county championship never mind the test side. Dan Lawrence is a bit better but similar. Surely we select the players in the county championship who score the most runs - it makes sense. Don’t select bloody Crawley.

I'm not saying Roy is the answer but the Australian attack he was facing was the most accurate attack I have seen. They just didn't bowl bad balls, no half vollies or wide deliveries.
The only time we got on top of them was when Stokes unleashed.

Anyway I prefer one batter of the pair to be proactive. A bit like the Atherton Stewart combo.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 7:56 pm

Losing Burns late on was a big blow, good partnership of 84 by him and Root, but 40s don't win test matches, and when you get set as he did you really have to make it count.

119-3 at the close, still 245 adrift, so plenty of work for England to do tomorrow to stay in this game.

A slightly improved display with bat and ball today, but after that dire first day England could only get better, however I'd still take India's position over England's at the end of day 2, and the middle order need to step up and be counted in support of Root, who has looked the one class act at the crease for the hosts, and it doesn't bear thinking about where England would be without him and Anderson, because the rest are mediocre at best.

I allude to the comments above, yes India have a longish tail, however their top order all contribute more often than not, particularly the openers, who provide a solid base to allow their stroke players to play a few shots later in the innings, and England simply don't possess that solid top order right now, hence why we're often 2 or 3 down for virtually nothing, in this series alone, 42-2 and 46-2 at Trent Bridge, and 23-2 1st innings at Lords, that immediately puts your middle order under huge pressure, and thankfully Root has scored a good amount of runs in his 3 innings thus far, because otherwise England would be getting blown away for next to nothing, as no other England player has yet passed 50 during this series yet.

Jimmy Anderson's 31st five-wicket haul in test cricket, and at 39 years and 14 days, he is the oldest pace bowler to claim five in a Test innings since 1951.

Also Joe Root surpassed Graham Gooch during his innings to become England's 2nd highest Test run-scorer of all time.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:12 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 13, 2021 5:53 pm
I'm not saying Roy is the answer but the Australian attack he was facing was the most accurate attack I have seen. They just didn't bowl bad balls, no half vollies or wide deliveries.
The only time we got on top of them was when Stokes unleashed.

Anyway I prefer one batter of the pair to be proactive. A bit like the Atherton Stewart combo.

I don't disagree with you regarding the openers, you can't simply block for over after over, and how India approached it should be an object lesson, Rohit pushed the scoring rate on, while Rahul could just drop anchor and play 2nd fiddle, and then when his partner got out he took up the cudgels.

I could accept Burns/Sibley scoring so slowly if one or both consistently posted centuries, but they rarely do, neither Atherton, Cook or Trott could be described as quick scoring, but they made big scores, and when they got in they generally converted these starts into match-winning innings, none of the top 3 ATM you would back to build a match-winning score, therefore when Root comes out to bat all the onus is on him to dig England out of a hole, now he's a good player, but it can't be left to him to keep saving this failing batting line-up.

Who could replace any of the openers, I'd say Sibley is the one in greatest danger, at least Burns look like he can make a few, I honestly have no idea.

These are the guys who have scored the most runs in the CC this season, but obviously not all of them qualify to represent England.https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/cou ... /averages

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 9:28 pm

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/cou ... e/averages
This is where I got Davies average from. I'm not sure which is right?

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 9:42 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 13, 2021 9:28 pm
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/cou ... e/averages
This is where I got Davies average from. I'm not sure which is right?

Either way there's not a rash of guys waiting in the wings to step up, but surely Sibley has to be stood down, I'd persist with Burns he battled hard today, and it took a good ball to dismiss him, but Sibley tamely gifted his wicket away again, Ollie Pope might be a good option in the long term, but for this series I'm struggling to name anybody who could open for England, and that's a big worry ahead of an Ashes tour.

Local cricketer · Post by **Local cricketer** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 9:55 pm

Well we should avoid the follow on. Will take some time out of the game

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Aug 14, 2021 1:16 pm

I don't want to tempt fate, but a splendid first session by Root & Bairstow, 216-3 at lunch, Root 89, Bairstow 51, partnership currently worth 108.

More of the same this afternoon, and England really could be back in the game. Still 148 behind though, so a couple of quick wickets could quickly change things again.

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Sat Aug 14, 2021 1:34 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:45 pm
I thought my remark about Anderson’s legs going 9 years ago would have been seen an obvious dig at our fans who claim that our player’s legs go at 30. Clearly not

I knew, there’s no way anybody would seriously say it

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Sat Aug 14, 2021 1:35 pm

tiger76 wrote: ↑
Sat Aug 14, 2021 1:16 pm
I don't want to tempt fate, but a splendid first session by Root & Bairstow, 216-3 at lunch, Root 89, Bairstow 51, partnership currently worth 108.

More of the same this afternoon, and England really could be back in the game. Still 148 behind though, so a couple of quick wickets could quickly change things again.

Really good game so far, test cricket is great isn’t it on days like today

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Aug 14, 2021 1:41 pm

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑
Sat Aug 14, 2021 1:35 pm
Really good game so far, test cricket is great isn’t it on days like today

Shaping up to be a good last couple of days the way it's going. However England need to still be batting at the end of today, the worry as an England fan is you always wonder if a collapse is imminent, so big session coming up this afternoon, if England can get to tea with only 4/5 down, we'll be in for a cracking 4th and 5th days.

New ball due in 7 overs, and that could be vital for India to strike back.