Protesting Kids

[Caballo]

BTW. Two seconds on Google would have told you so.

My bad, it was a crew they flew out there to sail the boat back.

[Bigbopper]

Nobody has claimed she skippered the ******* things. She sailed, using wind power. That is the point. What does it matter how much the boats cost?

she was a passenger only, sat below deck if the conditions turned nasty. Were the boats traditional wood built or were they built from man-made synthetic products?

[TheFamilyCat]

she was a passenger only, sat below deck if the conditions turned nasty. Were the boats traditional wood built or were they built from man-made synthetic products?

She didn't build it either. What is your point?

[Rombald]

She didn't build it either. What is your point?

He hasn't got one.
Big whopper .....

[Rombald]

Who are the left ranting on about here ? Do people really think that anyone but a microscopic/nano loon community isn’t aware of climate change and man’s contribution to it? I’m also sure all the MSM are pretty strongly behind measures to redress the massive issues and a mighty world joint effort is needed . Being preached to by a screechy non binary teenager whose life experience is somewhat lacking is just not everyone’s cup of tea . Though it appears some Middle Ages left wing perverts like that sort of thing

IMO it’s the issues such as world population growth ( breathtaking ) which desperately need addressing alongside carbon emissions etc .

Since when has science been a "left" thing
Seems to me that you protest a little too much about Greta....

[jedi_master]

I’m concerned for the world that will await my grand children, should I have any (I have a four year old daughter). The predictions around climate change are pretty clear, the evidence and scientific research is all there.

Without sounding defeatist, I don’t really see how it can be stopped though. We live in a country where people will (by and large) make relatively ‘green’ choices where they can (get an electric car, recycle, perhaps cut down on beef - although, sorry, I cannot commit to that last one!) but it is an absolutely fair statement to say that it’s not going to change anything, if the rest of the world doesn’t follow suit.

India, China, Russia and many other countries are well behind the curve, or flat out barely care. Their output means any small gains we can make are largely lip service, even if they make us warm and fuzzy inside knowing we’re doing our bit as much as we can.

Oh, and on the subject of kids protesting - why not? Protests happen for far more insignificant reasons than climate change, and the reality is global warming will barely affect us - it’s our children and grand children who might well have a totally different standard of life. They have every right to criticise us (or, more correctly in my case as a 34 year old, our elders).

[TheFamilyCat]

I’m concerned for the world that will await my grand children, should I have any (I have a four year old daughter). The predictions around climate change are pretty clear, the evidence and scientific research is all there.

Without sounding defeatist, I don’t really see how it can be stopped though. We live in a country where people will (by and large) make relatively ‘green’ choices where they can (get an electric car, recycle, perhaps cut down on beef - although, sorry, I cannot commit to that last one!) but it is an absolutely fair statement to say that it’s not going to change anything, if the rest of the world doesn’t follow suit.

India, China, Russia and many other countries are well behind the curve, or flat out barely care. Their output means any small gains we can make are largely lip service, even if they make us warm and fuzzy inside knowing we’re doing our bit as much as we can.

Oh, and on the subject of kids protesting - why not? Protests happen for far more insignificant reasons than climate change, and the reality is global warming will barely affect us - it’s our children and grand children who might well have a totally different standard of life. They have every right to criticise us (or, more correctly in my case as a 34 year old, our elders).

Hard to disagree with any of that. How does the world tackle the likes of Russia and China and make them take some positive action?

[Lowbankclaret]

Hard to disagree with any of that. How does the world tackle the likes of Russia and China and make them take some positive action?

We can stop buying Chinese’s products, but we need to accept they will be more expensive.

[TheFamilyCat]

We can stop buying Chinese’s products, but we need to accept they will be more expensive.

That was my first thought but it will never, ever happen.

[Taffy on the wing]

It was an Ocean going Racing Yacht with a crew. You can get a rougher voyage on the Knot End Ferry. Publicity stunt only but loved by all the sandal wearers.

....and hated by the brain-washed ignoramuses!

[Burnley1989]

....and hated by the brain-washed ignoramuses!

I wouldn’t even entertain it mate

[Taffy on the wing]

Since when has science been a "left" thing
Seems to me that you protest a little too much about Greta....

She offends his "toxic masculinity".

[Lowbankclaret]

That was my first thought but it will never, ever happen.

If you had a choice and an alternative, bit like the red tractor which means you know it’s made in the UK or the EU flag on it people might decide to lay the extra.

[TheFamilyCat]

If you had a choice and an alternative, bit like the red tractor which means you know it’s made in the UK or the EU flag on it people might decide to lay the extra.

But who can produce vast volumes of tat for pennies like China? Who's going to try to compete?

[Billy Balfour]

I'll cry if my ickle smashers don't get their pound shop Halloween tat next year.

[Damo]

The electric cars powered by diesel generators, using batteries filled with lithium mined by 9 year old African kids
That's the answer is it?

[Taffy on the wing]

The electric cars powered by diesel generators, using batteries filled with lithium mined by 9 year old African kids
That's the answer is it?

...........Head explodes!

[Bigbopper]

Hard to disagree with any of that. How does the world tackle the likes of Russia and China and make them take some positive action?

Can Greta to kayak across the South China Sea the Chinese will immediately close their coal burning power stations.

[duncandisorderly]

40 degrees C.

I suspect it gets clothes cleaner than the clothes of all previous generations.

Look, you do you, I'm not one for telling people how to live their lives, but you are being somewhat disingenuous here. Your clothes are likely cleaner than those of previous generations because your clothes have done less work in a shorter time and have been bought from outlets that have standards to adhere to. I might be wrong, you might be a coal miner using your grandfathers hand-me-down's, and your 14 minute cycle cleans said clothes effortlessly.

I can only tell you the truth. If you are washing clothes at 40 degrees for 14 minutes your clothes are not clean and the energy used is utterly wasted.
I have no dog in this fight, I have no children to inherit this blasted hearth, and I don't care enough about you to lie to you.

[PaintYorkClaretnBlue]

I’m concerned for the world that will await my grand children, should I have any (I have a four year old daughter). The predictions around climate change are pretty clear, the evidence and scientific research is all there.

Without sounding defeatist, I don’t really see how it can be stopped though. We live in a country where people will (by and large) make relatively ‘green’ choices where they can (get an electric car, recycle, perhaps cut down on beef - although, sorry, I cannot commit to that last one!) but it is an absolutely fair statement to say that it’s not going to change anything, if the rest of the world doesn’t follow suit.

India, China, Russia and many other countries are well behind the curve, or flat out barely care. Their output means any small gains we can make are largely lip service, even if they make us warm and fuzzy inside knowing we’re doing our bit as much as we can.

Oh, and on the subject of kids protesting - why not? Protests happen for far more insignificant reasons than climate change, and the reality is global warming will barely affect us - it’s our children and grand children who might well have a totally different standard of life. They have every right to criticise us (or, more correctly in my case as a 34 year old, our elders).

Exactly this, what we do is effectively pointless whilst China et al continue as they are. I switch things off, recycle, walk short distances etc but I’m fecked if I’m gonna stop flying to nice places on holiday, it will make almost no difference!

[IanMcL]

That was my first thought but it will never, ever happen.

Perhaps that would be the big personal decision we can all make.

[Rileybobs]

Look, you do you, I'm not one for telling people how to live their lives, but you are being somewhat disingenuous here. Your clothes are likely cleaner than those of previous generations because your clothes have done less work in a shorter time and have been bought from outlets that have standards to adhere to. I might be wrong, you might be a coal miner using your grandfathers hand-me-down's, and your 14 minute cycle cleans said clothes effortlessly.

I can only tell you the truth. If you are washing clothes at 40 degrees for 14 minutes your clothes are not clean and the energy used is utterly wasted.
I have no dog in this fight, I have no children to inherit this blasted hearth, and I don't care enough about you to lie to you.

Dsr being disingenuous?

[dsr]

Look, you do you, I'm not one for telling people how to live their lives, but you are being somewhat disingenuous here. Your clothes are likely cleaner than those of previous generations because your clothes have done less work in a shorter time and have been bought from outlets that have standards to adhere to. I might be wrong, you might be a coal miner using your grandfathers hand-me-down's, and your 14 minute cycle cleans said clothes effortlessly.

I can only tell you the truth. If you are washing clothes at 40 degrees for 14 minutes your clothes are not clean and the energy used is utterly wasted.
I have no dog in this fight, I have no children to inherit this blasted hearth, and I don't care enough about you to lie to you.

Genuine question. If the cleaning is utterly wasted, then if I wore a pair of socks once a week and but only washed one sock, are you saying that at the end of the year there would be no difference between the unwashed sock and the one that was washed after every wearing?

Perhaps you and I have different definitions of clean? To my mind, if you can't see the dirt, it smells nice, and doesn't have lice, then it's clean. Maybe you have different standards?

[Claretincraven]

If you'll remember, she sailed across the Atlantic Ocean (sail power only) to make a speech in New York about Climate change.

Did she use sail power to get to Glasgow?

[Taffy on the wing]

Did she use sail power to get to Glasgow?

Why is this important?
She's an advocate for protecting our Planet which is in dire need of protecting.
I'd lay money she got there with a lower Carbon footprint than Boris et al.

[Corky]

This thread exemplifies the problem. We have some who think doing something about climate change is important whilst others do not see it as much of an issue. And there are some who seem to want to treat it as a joke and appear almost to be denying that it is happening despite the compelling scientific evidence to the contrary.

Children are protesting because if nothing significant is done in the next 30 years then the likelihood is that when they are in their 40s and 50s the planet will have been irreparably damaged. Given that possible scenario I think a day off School is probably justified. And of course all the senior Statesmen and Women will all be dead so they're not particularly bothered. Too much political posturing and point scoring rather than actually getting the job done.

One of the most infuriating comments banded about is.....what's the point of doing anything if China, India and Russia don't join in. I understand why people think that but one of the passive ways that China and India particularly are trying to lessen the damage being done by their polluting industries is to plant trees. Over the past couple of years China have planted 2,407,149,493 trees and India 2,159,420,898. Over 5.5 billion between them. We on the other hand have planted just 14.5 million and a significant number of these in the right places would help with reducing flooding.

We can all play our part in little ways. I buy sustainable cloths. I no longer use one use plastics. I've cut down on eating meat and have 2 meat free days a week. It all helps. if billions of people start living more sustainably then there is a chance that our/my grandchildren (should I have any) will continue to live a reasonable life on this planet. Surely that is something to aim for.

[gandhisflipflop]

One of the most infuriating comments banded about is.....what's the point of doing anything if China, India and Russia don't join in. I understand why people think that but one of the passive ways that China and India particularly are trying to lessen the damage being done by their polluting industries is to plant trees. Over the past couple of years China have planted 2,407,149,493 trees and India 2,159,420,898. Over 5.5 billion between them. We on the other hand have planted just 14.5 million and a significant number of these in the right places would help with reducing flooding.

Look at the map again corky. Look at the size of Russia and China in comparison to the UK.

[Boss Hogg]

Why is this important?
She's an advocate for protecting our Planet which is in dire need of protecting.
I'd lay money she got there with a lower Carbon footprint than Boris et al.

It’s important because she’s doing an awful lot of complaining with no doing and no coming up with solutions. This is why as a child cannot be taken seriously. It is a big issue that needs dealing with and many countries are. Why is is she not protesting in the USA Russia or China ?

[TheFamilyCat]

Why is this important?
She's an advocate for protecting our Planet which is in dire need of protecting.
I'd lay money she got there with a lower Carbon footprint than Boris et al.

It's important because there is a certain group of people who simply cannot abide a young person speaking out for something they believe in. Therefore they need to try to find a reason to criticise regardless if it turns out to be unjustified.

Edit: and here is Boss Hogg right on cue.

Why isn't she coming up with solutions? She's a child. it's not her job.

Why isn't she protesting in China? There has been a global climate summit in Glasgow. She was in Glasgow. Surely even you can work that one out.

[Lancasterclaret]

This thread exemplifies the problem. We have some who think doing something about climate change is important whilst others do not see it as much of an issue. And there are some who seem to want to treat it as a joke and appear almost to be denying that it is happening despite the compelling scientific evidence to the contrary.

Children are protesting because if nothing significant is done in the next 30 years then the likelihood is that when they are in their 40s and 50s the planet will have been irreparably damaged. Given that possible scenario I think a day off School is probably justified. And of course all the senior Statesmen and Women will all be dead so they're not particularly bothered. Too much political posturing and point scoring rather than actually getting the job done.

One of the most infuriating comments banded about is.....what's the point of doing anything if China, India and Russia don't join in. I understand why people think that but one of the passive ways that China and India particularly are trying to lessen the damage being done by their polluting industries is to plant trees. Over the past couple of years China have planted 2,407,149,493 trees and India 2,159,420,898. Over 5.5 billion between them. We on the other hand have planted just 14.5 million and a significant number of these in the right places would help with reducing flooding.

We can all play our part in little ways. I buy sustainable cloths. I no longer use one use plastics. I've cut down on eating meat and have 2 meat free days a week. It all helps. if billions of people start living more sustainably then there is a chance that our/my grandchildren (should I have any) will continue to live a reasonable life on this planet. Surely that is something to aim for.

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[Corky]

Look at the map again corky. Look at the size of Russia and China in comparison to the UK.

And your point is what exactly. I am well aware of the respective size of countries compared to the UK. I was pointing out that both China and India (not Russia) have planted a phenomenal number of trees so they are not ignoring the issue. We on the other hand despite our small size could do better.

[fatboy47]

Since when has science been a "left" thing

Well, since all the throwbacks, rednecks and trogs around the Bible belt got a bit too scared of Darwin. There's a few of their descendants around on this thread.

[diamondpocket]

It’s important because she’s doing an awful lot of complaining with no doing and no coming up with solutions. This is why as a child cannot be taken seriously. It is a big issue that needs dealing with and many countries are. Why is is she not protesting in the USA Russia or China ?

In her words, SHE IS AN ACTIVIST. It isn't her job to come up with political solutions and act on them. Like all activists they highlight problems, have their own vision and their own ideas on how to turn things around but she ultimately isn't in power & can't do anything. It's the Johnsons, Bidens, powers in charge that can!! She isn't complaining, she is highlighting the biggest issue for human self-destruction. The fact she started as 13 year old or whatever & where she is now to me shows that she is a pretty impressive, forthright human being who cares, living with Aspergers as well. Can't be taken seriously? You feeling a little insignificant behind your keyboard because a little girl is more famous?
So much ignorance and apathy towards someone who ultimately is trying to help humanity, don't get it.

[Caballo]

For me its more about being lectured at. My wife has an electric car, I have a hybrid ( I'd go full electric but with the mileage I do it's not yet practical). We recycle everything thing we can, we shop locally and actively avoid purchases that have travelled half the world. We consciously wash at 30 degrees, we've further insulated the loft and switched to LED everything and haven't flown for 4 years (admittedly covid has played a part in that). Yet I'm supposed to swallow the disdain of politicians and celebrities all with carbon footprints of small towns because I'm the f-ing problem.

[evensteadiereddie]

Superb, diamond, superb.

[Rileybobs]

For me its more about being lectured at. My wife has an electric car, I have a hybrid ( I'd go full electric but with the mileage I do it's not yet practical). We recycle everything thing we can, we shop locally and actively avoid purchases that have travelled half the world. We consciously wash at 30 degrees, we've further insulated the loft and switched to LED everything and haven't flown for 4 years (admittedly covid has played a part in that). Yet I'm supposed to swallow the disdain of politicians and celebrities all with carbon footprints of small towns because I'm the f-ing problem.

If you’re doing all of those things then clearly you’re not the problem. So I don’t see why you would think you’re the one being lectured to.

[TheFamilyCat]

For me its more about being lectured at. My wife has an electric car, I have a hybrid ( I'd go full electric but with the mileage I do it's not yet practical). We recycle everything thing we can, we shop locally and actively avoid purchases that have travelled half the world. We consciously wash at 30 degrees, we've further insulated the loft and switched to LED everything and haven't flown for 4 years (admittedly covid has played a part in that). Yet I'm supposed to swallow the disdain of politicians and celebrities all with carbon footprints of small towns because I'm the f-ing problem.

You've listened and learnt. You can see the problems and taken action. The 'lecturing' has been effective for you. But the message is still needed though.

[evensteadiereddie]

Agreed, you're doing a cracking job, Caballo.

[Lancasterclaret]

For me its more about being lectured at. My wife has an electric car, I have a hybrid ( I'd go full electric but with the mileage I do it's not yet practical). We recycle everything thing we can, we shop locally and actively avoid purchases that have travelled half the world. We consciously wash at 30 degrees, we've further insulated the loft and switched to LED everything and haven't flown for 4 years (admittedly covid has played a part in that). Yet I'm supposed to swallow the disdain of politicians and celebrities all with carbon footprints of small towns because I'm the f-ing problem.

I don't get that viewpoint at all

So what if people have a go at you?

You are an adult, and are making some very sensible decisions about the future and what you personally can do about it, why should you care what other people say to you?

[Colburn_Claret]

I’m concerned for the world that will await my grand children, should I have any (I have a four year old daughter). The predictions around climate change are pretty clear, the evidence and scientific research is all there.

Without sounding defeatist, I don’t really see how it can be stopped though. We live in a country where people will (by and large) make relatively ‘green’ choices where they can (get an electric car, recycle, perhaps cut down on beef - although, sorry, I cannot commit to that last one!) but it is an absolutely fair statement to say that it’s not going to change anything, if the rest of the world doesn’t follow suit.

India, China, Russia and many other countries are well behind the curve, or flat out barely care. Their output means any small gains we can make are largely lip service, even if they make us warm and fuzzy inside knowing we’re doing our bit as much as we can.

Oh, and on the subject of kids protesting - why not? Protests happen for far more insignificant reasons than climate change, and the reality is global warming will barely affect us - it’s our children and grand children who might well have a totally different standard of life. They have every right to criticise us (or, more correctly in my case as a 34 year old, our elders).

I agree with your summation, but regarding kids protesting, the same kids will turn into apathetic adults in time. You could ask the same kids if they would be willing to give up their mobiles, or lap tops in order to fight climate change and they'd look at you as if you have 2 heads. It's why I agree climate change is real, our ability to do anything about it is very limited (I also think the world population needs cutting), but kids crying about it is irrelevant, it makes for good media opportunities, but that's it.

[Hipper]

I’m concerned for the world that will await my grand children, should I have any (I have a four year old daughter). The predictions around climate change are pretty clear, the evidence and scientific research is all there.

Without sounding defeatist, I don’t really see how it can be stopped though. We live in a country where people will (by and large) make relatively ‘green’ choices where they can (get an electric car, recycle, perhaps cut down on beef - although, sorry, I cannot commit to that last one!) but it is an absolutely fair statement to say that it’s not going to change anything, if the rest of the world doesn’t follow suit.

India, China, Russia and many other countries are well behind the curve, or flat out barely care. Their output means any small gains we can make are largely lip service, even if they make us warm and fuzzy inside knowing we’re doing our bit as much as we can.

Oh, and on the subject of kids protesting - why not? Protests happen for far more insignificant reasons than climate change, and the reality is global warming will barely affect us - it’s our children and grand children who might well have a totally different standard of life. They have every right to criticise us (or, more correctly in my case as a 34 year old, our elders).

You are probably right that climate change cannot be stopped.

In probably not an original thought, I liken it to the view of the lookout who reported the iceberg to the captain of the Titanic - having spotted the iceberg it took an age before the ship started to turn away from it but that turn was too late.

Certainly actions we alone take will not make a major impact on climate change although they might set an example for others and be good for us in other ways - cleaner air for example. If we take a lead in technology it can obviously earn us income.

We should combine these efforts with mitigation activity. Accept that sea levels will rise, we will get more inland flooding from precipitation, temperatures may rise (or fall or do nothing depending on what happens to the gulf stream), and that mass immigration will be an issue. We should look after the people that are here now. We will all have to accept a lower standard of living and less freedom to do as we wish.

[Hipper]

Might I add that it is the message that is important, not the messenger. Greta's message is valid and worth listening to.

[Bigbopper]

Might I add that it is the message that is important, not the messenger. Greta's message is valid and worth listening to.

"You can shove the climate crisis up you arse" how valid is that.

[elwaclaret]

I do wonder how many of the protestors enjoyed their bonfires and setting off fireworks last night?

I’m all for environmentalism, but find ignorance induced fundamentalism quite amusing… no doubt many of them will be condemning meat eaters for ruining the environment this morning.

[RingoMcCartney]

To those virtue signalling climate obsessives-

A study by the Boston Consulting Group found that the internet is responsible for around 1 billion tonnes of greenhouse gas emissions per year. That's about 2% of total emissions.


Actions speak louder than words, put your money where you're, concerned for the environment, mouth is, do your bit, and stop posting on here!

Bye x

[TheFamilyCat]

2% isn't really that much when you consider how widely used the internet is and how it has reduced huge amounts of travel.

[tiger76]

Fair do's for anyone protesting in Glasgow today, it's absolutely bucketing down here. So kudos to all those braving the elements to get their points across to those who can make the difference ultimately.

[Rombald]

To those virtue signalling climate obsessives-

A study by the Boston Consulting Group found that the internet is responsible for around 1 billion tonnes of greenhouse gas emissions per year. That's about 2% of total emissions.


Actions speak louder than words, put your money where you're, concerned for the environment, mouth is, do your bit, and stop posting on here!

Bye x

Let's hope you are concerned for the environment then

[RingoMcCartney]

2% isn't really that much when you consider how widely used the internet is and how it has reduced huge amounts of travel.

It's double the UK's. But hey, if you want to preen your climate whiskers on a messageboard while actively contributing to what you proclaim to be a problem , fill yer boots!

Loving the "Rules for thee, but not for me" approach!

[TheFamilyCat]

It's double the UK's. But hey, if you want to preen your climate whiskers on a messageboard while actively contributing to what you proclaim to be a problem , fill yer boots!

Loving the "Rules for thee, but not for me" approach!

That argument is up there with "well how did Greta get to Glasgow" but if it's all you've got, fair enough.