Russia Invades

[elwaclaret]

Caddick-Adams : on Russia’s lack of Electronic Warfare.

https://twitter.com/militaryhistori/sta ... 72263?s=21

[JarrowClaret]

question for those on here that have far more knowledge than I ever will - why haven't we seen the Ukrainian's use mines/IED's ?

As if by magic:

https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/statu ... 91750?s=21

[Vegas Claret]

and I'll add, I know it happens a lot but this is the first time I can recall an attack from within Iran

[Vegas Claret]

Its always an attack from inside Iran though

And its the Revolutionary Guard flexing its muscles, fires a few missiles, does no damage

Any US casualties?

(There normally isn't, and the pics of blazing fires I saw yesterday were all geo located to years ago and a different location)

dunno Lancaster, only just got up so not looked at anything yet other than the latest footy scores, i'll catch up later

[Lancasterclaret]

https://twitter.com/NeilPHauer/status/1 ... 8724784131

Up to date Maps

[Lancasterclaret]

This thread has gone awfully quiet all of a sudden. Is this a good or bad sign?

There is a tonne of stuff going on, but the situation hasn't changed that much on the ground

Russia are clearly building up supplies and ammo, while absolutely pulverising any cities they can hit, with the clear aim of forcing million more to flee, as I think they feel that is unsustainable

End of the day, everyone is struggling to see an "out" for Russia, and as long as they can't see an "out", then Russia will continue to kill Ukrainians and get its army completely chewed up in Ukraine.

I saw a pic of a plane load of Chechens heading for Belarus, but if they are bringing in what are essentially paramilitaries used to impress local folk then all they are doing is increasing their supply burden, increasing the danger of war crimes and increasing their casualty lists

I think Ukraine will probably give up the Crimea in return for an end to the war, almost certainly give up any hope of joining NATO, and as long as it doesn't have to "de militarise", then its perfectly safe for sometime as the Russians won't forget this in a hurry

But who knows?

[elwaclaret]

US to give stark warning to China about helping Russia through sanctions tomorrow, REUTERS

https://twitter.com/reuters/status/1503 ... 51365?s=21

[Lowbankclaret]

Really? When did he say that? , very misguided if so!

I saw a sad image on twitter today of a car crushed by a tank, the two adults died in the crush and the teenager in the back trapped and burnt to death. - the sooner this horrific war is over the better. The Kremlin has a lot to answer for.

I don’t think any of us take any pleasure in seeing our weapons literally burn Russians alive in tanks either.

All the signs are this is down to one man Putin.

[elwaclaret]

Russian Orthodox Church honours Head of Russian Guard with a blessing. NEXTA

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/150 ... 57346?s=21

[elwaclaret]

NEXTA: Ukraine reports 200 Russian army vehicles either destroyed or surrounded around Melitopol.

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/150 ... 64352?s=21

[Cubanforever]

US to give stark warning to China about helping Russia through sanctions tomorrow, REUTERS

https://twitter.com/reuters/status/1503 ... 51365?s=21

Sorry to state the obvious but if China get involved like this it will be a massive move in the wrong direction

[elwaclaret]

NEXTA : Large convoy of V marked military vehicles recorded today, outside Gomel, Belarus.

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/150 ... 87655?s=21

[Vegas Claret]

NEXTA : Large convoy of V marked military vehicles recorded today, outside Gomel, Belarus.

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/150 ... 87655?s=21

convoy of not a lot though, not much firepower there

[bfcjg]

If the West boycotts China the worlds economies will be as equally screwed we are so dependent on them for so much manufactured goods.

[NewClaret]

US to give stark warning to China about helping Russia through sanctions tomorrow, REUTERS

https://twitter.com/reuters/status/1503 ... 51365?s=21

So should Europe. I don’t care what Chinese tat or electronics I have to sacrifice. If they, India, UAE get in any way involved in supporting Russia, the EU/West should apply the same sanctions to them. No way China would alienate the West for 114m Russians. They are not daft.

[bfcjg]

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war- ... n-12565229
I should imagine it's the tip of the iceberg of those who want to leave.
Regarding Vhina helping Russia, they are after their natural resources,not sure they give a flying Sh1t about the Russian people.

[Vegas Claret]

Would China not also be wary of.. well.. the rest of the world.

nobody would have thought 2 weeks ago that pretty much the entire Western world would turn it's back on Russia and it's oil in such a quick and unified way. That alone must give China plenty of food for thought

[Vegas Claret]

crazy image

[Vegas Claret]

Are all the anti Russian posters convinced the west is blameless and has not brought all of this crashing down on on our collective heads. I don't know, I am just asking.

you'll not find a single anti-russian poster on here - don't get that confused with Putin. Numerous posters on here have implicitly stated their sorrow for the innocent Russians who are being dragged into this situation by the clown in charge.

[Lowbankclaret]

Are all the anti Russian posters convinced the west is blameless and has not brought all of this crashing down on on our collective heads. I don't know, I am just asking.

Well yes it is.

Ex soviet states have joined NATO for fear Russia needs to take back the land that was the USSR. Which it needs to as geopolitically Russia is dying.

Taking Ukraine was always in Putins plan, nothing the west did would change it.

[Spiral]

Putin put himself in a corner. NATO didn't force the invasion. I'm convinced, and will be convinced of this until the day I die, that Putin's primary fear is democracy, not NATO, encroaching on Russia's borders. He fears following the fate of Gaddafi more than he fears the establishing of US military bases in Ukraine.

[Vegas Claret]

not good

[Lowbankclaret]

not good

Very true and very worrying.
If starstreak is there now, those planes may not get home. Unfortunately, the whole lose of life is sad.

[Vegas Claret]

Very true and very worrying.
If starstreak is there now, those planes may not get home. Unfortunately, the whole lose of life is sad.

they wont be over Ukraine, they can fire seriously long range I believe. Yep, must admit I'm bewildered by all of it

[Lancasterclaret]

https://twitter.com/TrentTelenko/status ... 2363968521

More on logistics

[box_of_frogs]

Very true and very worrying.
If starstreak is there now, those planes may not get home. Unfortunately, the whole lose of life is sad.

Star streak is a low altitude system. It would have zero capability against high altitude aircraft, especially ones flying in Russian airspace.

[Lancasterclaret]

Operational assessment

Best (and most accurate) I've managed to find (if that is your thing!)

https://twitter.com/JominiW/status/1503230118000566272

[Lancasterclaret]

not good

This is something for political affect, rather than any realistic military use


*see also missile strikes on Western Ukraine

All to do with convincing everyone how strong the Russian air force is (and its unfortunately swallowed by the BBC.ITV etc (been concentrating on those missile strikes on Western Ukraine) ) while the expert assessment continues to be that the Russian air force cannot penetrate Ukrainian air space to the degree they actually can affect Ukrainian logistics and resupply

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Claims from "Unknown US Officials" that Putin has sought military support from China.

The Chinese Embassy in the USA is denying any such request has been made.


There's also a growing belief that Russia will target a NATO country with a missile attack.

[gtclaret]

There's always going to be an element that want to see the west as the good guys in every respect Wile. Most would find it simpler if all the evil Russians wore black hats and the good Western guys wore white hats just like the old cowboy movies.

Evil and disgusting as the Russian policy is, the majority will avoid any examination of the bigger picture...there are a lot of very uncomfortable truths out there. Particularly around how we've dived into bed with the whole cesspit that is Russian politics.

Make no mistake, a good chunk of the responsibility for the current situation lies with us.

Agreed, but its Putins response that puts him totally in the wrong. Purposefully attacking innocent civilians overrides any political arguments.

[ClaretLoup]

Putin put himself in a corner. NATO didn't force the invasion. I'm convinced, and will be convinced of this until the day I die, that Putin's primary fear is democracy, not NATO, encroaching on Russia's borders. He fears following the fate of Gaddafi more than he fears the establishing of US military bases in Ukraine.

Don’t think politics here, think Mafia. There are no politics in Russia anymore. Putin is head of a gang that has siphoned billions out of the Russian economy and UK/EU has helped him stash the loot. He sees the Ukraine as a rival gang who were doing quite well on what he considers to be his patch. The politics is all a front for asset seizure pretty much like Nazi Germany was. Just read Schindlers List, it explains how the whole scam works.
Demonise the Jews, rob them. Slavs next then the rest of Europe.

Putin’s mission seems to be to bankrupt the Ukraine and neuter their operation and create dependency on Russia and allow them to move in and extend their own operation.

Remember the US and Uk flattening Iraqi infrastructure and the big fat contracts that went out to mainly US Companies to rebuild it paid for by Iraqi oil?

Same job here, only it will be wheat and minerals as payment.

[Boss Hogg]

It’s difficult to see how his can end for the better unless there is some sort of coup in Russia. They can’t all buy the propaganda particularly the army who can see what is happening and what they are being asked to do on the ground. It can’t all be silenced.

[Colburn_Claret]

Are all the anti Russian posters convinced the west is blameless and has not brought all of this crashing down on on our collective heads. I don't know, I am just asking.

This isn't Russians fault, it's Putin's. A.n.other Russian leader and it is very doubtful this would have happened.
He has isolated himself, through fear of an internal coup, and the more Western influences on Russia, the greater the fear. The further the Russian people move away from tired, old Communist policy the greater the fear. There are issues over the Ukrainian coup, and the loss of his puppet in charge, but to see Ukrainians enjoying life, and Russians enjoying life, is his greatest fear, not NATO. He basically doesn't care who he hurts in order to stay in power, because once it's gone he's nobody. In fact there are probably plenty of people he's hurt over the years who would see it as a sign to get payback.

MODERATOR - please note unsourced ‘opinion’ has been removed in a routine ‘clean up’ - I have attempted to give a feel of discussion where appropriate/relevant.

[Lancasterclaret]

Close shave for this walker in Kyi'v, who sensibly turns around

https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1503328469647773697

[Lancasterclaret]

Units of the US 1st Infantry Division arriving in Poland

https://twitter.com/DeptofDefense/statu ... 2806097926

[elwaclaret]

Vox pop of Russian opinion - no suppression here, in Moscow - even a hint of criticism (even from Putin supporters) or hesitation looking for the right words results in arrest.

https://twitter.com/jonlis1/status/1503 ... 20897?s=21

[elwaclaret]

Germany agree in principle to purchase F-35 fighter jets REUTERS

https://twitter.com/reuters/status/1503 ... 05094?s=21

[Terrier]

No doubt been mentioned but radyrov saying he is now in ukraine, more likely sat in front of the telly safe from harm, they would rip him apart if the ukrainians got hold of him!

[elwaclaret]

No doubt been mentioned but radyrov saying he is now in ukraine, more likely sat in front of the telly safe from harm, they would rip him apart if the ukrainians got hold of him!

Not been mentioned so far s I know, but yes there were reports yesterday that Radyrov (Crimea puppet leader) was in Ukraine - mainly mentioned by Ukraine to test the validity. It seems IF he was it was purely for Russian propaganda purposes and possibly for just minutes. Ukraine put out immediate seek and destroy units, but he had probably left even before the search began.

[bfcjg]

Vox pop of Russian opinion - no suppression here, in Moscow - even a hint of criticism (even from Putin supporters) or hesitation looking for the right words results in arrest.

https://twitter.com/jonlis1/status/1503 ... 20897?s=21

My God, that is truly frightening, those poor Russiansxsre suffering under Putin as well.

[elwaclaret]

My God, that is truly frightening, those poor Russiansxsre suffering under Putin as well.

I doubt any of the regular posters on here have any ill feeling towards ‘everyday Russians’ - this is no longer a Russia we recognise as post-Glasnost, it has returned to Stalinism, and far from Communist.

Modern political modelling is no longer linear, as it used to be, but circular- go too far left, you go into extreme right - what very much seems to have happened with Putin. In new political modelling the extremes of Right/Left are close bedfellows - true Marxism sits a way to the left of Russia - and has done since Trotsky ‘got his ice pick, that made his ears burn’ (as the Stranglers once put it).

[KateR]

I don't think it was mentioned but China very recently doubled the exchange rate regarding Yuan to Ruble, allowing the Ruble to to fall fast in value, so China have taken advantage of the situation now and are not subsidizing the Russia in this situation.

https://www.kxxv.com/news/china-moves-t ... all-faster

But this could have an effect in accelerating Russia/China/India in their attempt to come up with a joint system not tied to the dollar or SWIFT

https://www.kxxv.com/news/china-moves-t ... all-faster

[elwaclaret]

Poland put a blanket ban on Russian ALL Russian assets in their country NEXTA

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/150 ... 08449?s=21

[elwaclaret]

I don't think it was mentioned but China very recently doubled the exchange rate regarding Yuan to Ruble, allowing the Ruble to to fall fast in value, so China have taken advantage of the situation now and are not subsidizing the Russia in this situation.

https://www.kxxv.com/news/china-moves-t ... all-faster

But this could have an effect in accelerating Russia/China/India in their attempt to come up with a joint system not tied to the dollar or SWIFT

https://www.kxxv.com/news/china-moves-t ... all-faster

While far from impossible, it is extremely unlikely that China/India would voluntarily remove itself from the WTO… it would be tantamount to ending trade with the West ( and an end to the very Tech that has built Chin’s economic success).

[elwaclaret]

Russia withdraws from the Council of Europe

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/150 ... 73505?s=21

[elwaclaret]

Russian state TV openly discusses ‘public hangings’ of Ukrainians at the conclusion of the Invasion. JULIA DAVIS (specialist journalist)

https://twitter.com/juliadavisnews/stat ... 04004?s=21

[Lancasterclaret]

Been obvious for a while, but Russia essentially blockading anything coming in or out of Ukrainian Ports

https://twitter.com/JackDetsch/status/1 ... 7577919490

[KateR]

While far from impossible, it is extremely unlikely that China/India would voluntarily remove itself from the WTO… it would be tantamount to ending trade with the West ( and an end to the very Tech that has built Chin’s economic success).

I agree, was merely sharing some news regarding China and their input so far and what might happen, up until very recently they had done nothing, they abstained in the UN vote when many expected them to vote with Russia, they "appear" to be keeping well away from upsetting the financial system that has served them well up to now, once they embraced that part of capitalism.

This move for me is significant in allowing the Ruble to drop sharply and they will gain monetarily from the Russian economy being in the toilet, while not joining in regarding sanctions they closed an avenue, which was helping the Russian economy to some degree. By doing this it is contributing to the Russian financial hurt, which I think will be a main reason for the downfall and Putin's willingness to negotiate and allow a "retreat" through Ukraine concessions, but ultimately leading to a stop to this evil war.

I believe he never expected the fight on the ground or financially that has happened, but for him and his cronies it is only really the financial actions that have hurt them personally, it will obviously be someone else's fault and not there's.

[Lancasterclaret]

Footage from inside a Ukrainian BTR-4 in Mariupol

https://twitter.com/aldin_ww/status/1503352707251322885

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Dominic Raab has gone to the Hague to offer UK assistance in regards to Russian war crimes.