Russia Invades

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 7:00 am

So while the rest of the world are imposing sanctions on Russia, India are buying oil from Russia because it's cheap and Turkey are laying on special flights for Russia tourists to be able to holiday in Turkey.

The phrase "f**k you jack I'm OK" springs to mind.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 10:36 am

Hopefully the Russians going to Turkey will get to see the truth on the Turkish channels and buy speaking to other holiday makers and bring it back to Russia.
Re India let's cut of their foreign aid now.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 11:25 am

bfcjg wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 11, 2022 10:36 am
Hopefully the Russians going to Turkey will get to see the truth on the Turkish channels and buy speaking to other holiday makers and bring it back to Russia.
Re India let's cut of their foreign aid now.

The Indians have said many times that they don't want, and don't need our foreign aid. It's a political decision based on the old commonwealth, rather than an actual need. We don't need to cut the aid, we need to treat them to the same sanctions that Russia gets. No one should be allowed to sit on the fence on this war, you need to choose sides and stand by your decision.

jos · Post by **jos** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 12:34 pm

Much of the IT infrastructure in the UK is run by people in India as many companies outsourced the support to them. So imposing sanctions on India would no doubt rebound on us.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 1:52 pm

For those who don’t want to click links, here are today’s estimated losses.
Even if these are inflated, it’s still not going well for Russia.

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elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 1:58 pm

ROB LEE - Russian convoy being taken out by Ukraine motors, though he doesn’t know if the footage is new, or newly released

https://twitter.com/ralee85/status/1513 ... BP7-xZFHmg

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 2:02 pm

REUTRS: Lithuania wants Baltic battalions beefed up to Brigades

https://twitter.com/reuters/status/1513 ... BP7-xZFHmg

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 2:05 pm

elwaclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 11, 2022 1:58 pm
ROB LEE - Russian convoy being taken out by Ukraine motors, though he doesn’t know if the footage is new, or newly released

https://twitter.com/ralee85/status/1513 ... BP7-xZFHmg

Looks old judging by weather. Also lots of near misses - took a few goes to take them out? And probably abandoned since they were going nowhere, making no attempt to move or fight back?

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 2:09 pm

Philips-OBrien - Russia claims to have destroyed 4, S-300 anti aircraft systems, it isn’t known if they are the same ones sent by Slovakia and has even yet to be confirmed

https://twitter.com/phillipspobrien/sta ... BP7-xZFHmg

RicardoMontalban · Post by **RicardoMontalban** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 2:10 pm

jos wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 11, 2022 12:34 pm
Much of the IT infrastructure in the UK is run by people in India as many companies outsourced the support to them. So imposing sanctions on India would no doubt rebound on us.

This touches on a wider point about sanctions as a whole. There is little that we as the UK, or the west collectively can do without feeling the the effects. Even what has done now with Russia will impact our lives, and I don’t think the true nature of that has hit home yet.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 2:24 pm

RicardoMontalban wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 11, 2022 2:10 pm
This touches on a wider point about sanctions as a whole. There is little that we as the UK, or the west collectively can do without feeling the the effects. Even what has done now with Russia will impact our lives, and I don’t think the true nature of that has hit home yet.

The West will have to eventually decide can they sufficiently hurt Putin with sanctions designed to have minimum impact in the West or, if they need to accept Western living standards will have to take a major hit in the interest of ending Putin’s ambition. The West may need to decide which will be more disruptive sanctions that cripple the West or war that cripples the west for generations to come.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 2:32 pm

OSINTtechnical - Russian flags in occupied Kakhovka region being burnt in occupation protest

https://twitter.com/osinttechnical/stat ... BP7-xZFHmg

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 2:36 pm

NEW YORK TIMES - Kramatorsk, scene of the Railway Station massacre is surrounded and is preparing for a siege.

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1513 ... SN8kW8U_lA

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 2:43 pm

REUTERS: UK sanctions Bosnian Serb separatist leader

https://twitter.com/reutersuk/status/15 ... SN8kW8U_lA

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 2:46 pm

OSINTtechnical - Drone records Ukraine artillery strikes on Russian position within Mariupol

https://twitter.com/osinttechnical/stat ... SN8kW8U_lA

RicardoMontalban · Post by **RicardoMontalban** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 3:00 pm

elwaclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 11, 2022 2:24 pm
The West will have to eventually decide can they sufficiently hurt Putin with sanctions designed to have minimum impact in the West or, if they need to accept Western living standards will have to take a major hit in the interest of ending Putin’s ambition. The West may need to decide which will be more disruptive sanctions that cripple the West or war that cripples the west for generations to come.

Yes. Absolutely there is a sliding scale on the sanctions available and their relative impact. The point I’m making is that even those sanctions that exist now will have some impact on our lives as we live them. Minimum impact is a very relative term when talking about what we will feel. You just hope the reports of Russia sliding into a recession worse than that of the 90s aren’t over egged.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 3:08 pm

BBC - Mariupol may be preparing for its ‘last battle’ as Russia’s forces prepare to launch into the city

https://twitter.com/bbcworld/status/151 ... SN8kW8U_lA

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 3:12 pm

Phillips OBrien - Russia changes track from self interest to justifying War Crimes against Ukraine

https://twitter.com/phillipspobrien/sta ... SN8kW8U_lA

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 3:16 pm

BBC - Winners of THE NEXT Eurovision Song Contest thank Bori Johnson for his visit to Kyiv

https://twitter.com/bbcnews/status/1513 ... SN8kW8U_lA

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 3:32 pm

Ukraine Live - talking about the situation in Mariupol

https://twitter.com/grimshaw_garry/stat ... SN8kW8U_lA

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 3:37 pm

NEW YORK TIMES - Japan’s military aid to Ukraine breaks generations of pacifist stance dating back to WW2’s end.

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1513 ... SN8kW8U_lA

Taffy on the wing · Post by **Taffy on the wing** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 3:39 pm

Hard to read these articles without feeling hopeless on behalf of the Ukrainians.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 3:52 pm

NEXTA - lose EU canon Austria in Moscow talks with Putin, Russia first claims and breaks up without an official press announcement regarding private talks.

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/151 ... SN8kW8U_lA

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/151 ... SN8kW8U_lA

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 3:55 pm

Taffy on the wing wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 11, 2022 3:39 pm
Hard to read these articles without feeling hopeless on behalf of the Ukrainians.

It’s grim reading true enough. However, bare in mind Ukraine has asked for a blackout of Ukraine led actions. The news around Mariupol looks very much to me like Ukraine are baiting Russia to go for ‘the easy target’ of Mariupol. But time will tell.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 4:10 pm

elwaclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 11, 2022 2:09 pm
Philips-OBrien - Russia claims to have destroyed 4, S-300 anti aircraft systems, it isn’t known if they are the same ones sent by Slovakia and has even yet to be confirmed

https://twitter.com/phillipspobrien/sta ... BP7-xZFHmg

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 4:17 pm

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 11, 2022 4:10 pm

I suspect the Russian claims are more based on the fanfare that was made about the systems this weekend, than fact. Seems to be what OBrien was not saying in the unwritten lines of his tweet.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 4:19 pm

elwaclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 11, 2022 4:17 pm
I suspect the Russian claims are more based on the fanfare that was made about the systems this weekend, than fact. Seems to be what OBrien was not saying in the unwritten lines of his tweet.

it would make more sense for Ukraine to come out and say "yes they have all been destroyed" then lure the ******* in

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 4:23 pm

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 11, 2022 4:19 pm
it would make more sense for Ukraine to come out and say "yes they have all been destroyed" then lure the ******* in

Or for Ukraine to sit back and think ‘you got all four’… erm. Let the Russians believe their own hype.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 4:27 pm

Just seen this link to what’s claimed to be a Russian with a very old outdated gun.

https://twitter.com/tomeknnn/status/151 ... 2S6yb2Qrag

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 4:37 pm

jos wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 11, 2022 12:34 pm
Much of the IT infrastructure in the UK is run by people in India as many companies outsourced the support to them. So imposing sanctions on India would no doubt rebound on us.

So what?

I mean really, the jobs shouldn't have been allowed to be outsourced in the first place, and no matter what rebounds on us, it's an itch compared to what Ukraine is facing.
Stopping gas and oil from Russia will rebound on us, and I couldn't care less, so long as it stops Putin.
We all need to be prepared to tighten our belts, or do without, if that is what it takes. Looking on from a distance, even with sympathy, doesn't mean Jack ****, if we aren't prepared to suffer, to help.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 4:38 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 11, 2022 4:27 pm
Just seen this link to what’s claimed to be a Russian with a very old outdated gun.

https://twitter.com/tomeknnn/status/151 ... 2S6yb2Qrag

Looks like an old sniper rifle, but care must be taken. A sniper trained with old kit may be so comfortable with the weapon he has used hunting all his life than a modern weapon. It could be too easy to make assumptions about supply based on individuals.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 4:43 pm

NEXTA - Same old shite being spouted by Lavrov. War crimes staged, war will continue amid ‘peace talks’.

https://twitter.com/kyivindependent/sta ... qgb7UbgqzA

jos · Post by **jos** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 4:57 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 11, 2022 4:37 pm
So what?

I mean really, the jobs shouldn't have been allowed to be outsourced in the first place, and no matter what rebounds on us, it's an itch compared to what Ukraine is facing.
Stopping gas and oil from Russia will rebound on us, and I couldn't care less, so long as it stops Putin.
We all need to be prepared to tighten our belts, or do without, if that is what it takes. Looking on from a distance, even with sympathy, doesn't mean Jack ****, if we aren't prepared to suffer, to help.

I’m with you, but dollar is king. And we can’t help anyone if all our electric gets turned off!

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 5:12 pm

elwaclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 11, 2022 4:38 pm
Looks like an old sniper rifle, but care must be taken. A sniper trained with old kit may be so comfortable with the weapon he has used hunting all his life than a modern weapon. It could be too easy to make assumptions about supply based on individuals.

Never been in the Army but did years of shooting , shotguns, rifles and air rifles and he is not shooting that like a sniper would. IMHO of course

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 5:21 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 11, 2022 5:12 pm
Never been in the Army but did years of shooting , shotguns, rifles and air rifles and he is not shooting that like a sniper would. IMHO of course

Cannot argue from the footage, but it does not help that is in a loop; so we cannot really tell.

HitchinClaret · Post by **HitchinClaret** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 5:36 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 11, 2022 1:52 pm
For those who don’t want to click links, here are today’s estimated losses.
Even if these are inflated, it’s still not going well for Russia.

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Thanks for the great thread, I look here before anywhere else.
I've had a google and can't find the answer, do we know how much the equipment losses to date will have cost Russia (in ££££'s) just to get an idea of how long it will take them to afford to get their crap together again? They must be hemorrhaging cash at the moment and will surely bring them to their knees?

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 6:15 pm

HitchinClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 11, 2022 5:36 pm
Thanks for the great thread, I look here before anywhere else.
I've had a google and can't find the answer, do we know how much the equipment losses to date will have cost Russia (in ££££'s) just to get an idea of how long it will take them to afford to get their crap together again? They must be hemorrhaging cash at the moment and will surely bring them to their knees?

This is why the Oil/gas debate is so relevant. At the moment the West is still bankrolling Russia’s potential to re-arm. The gamble the West is taking is that they can help Ukraine wipe out Russian armour faster than they can produce/buy replacements.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 6:18 pm

OSINTtechnical - (former) Russian T72 emplacement in Kharkiv Oblast

https://twitter.com/osinttechnical/stat ... qgb7UbgqzA

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 7:15 pm

REUTERS: Russia now tries to make Google complicit in their propaganda

https://twitter.com/reuters/status/1513 ... qgb7UbgqzA

chekhov · Post by **chekhov** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 7:17 pm

elwaclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 11, 2022 7:15 pm
REUTERS: Russia now tries to make Google complicate in their propaganda

https://twitter.com/reuters/status/1513 ... qgb7UbgqzA

Complicit?

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 7:28 pm

HitchinClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 11, 2022 5:36 pm
Thanks for the great thread, I look here before anywhere else.
I've had a google and can't find the answer, do we know how much the equipment losses to date will have cost Russia (in ££££'s) just to get an idea of how long it will take them to afford to get their crap together again? They must be hemorrhaging cash at the moment and will surely bring them to their knees?

I have read loads of threads on this and it’s hard to be definitive. The Russian tanks vary a lot as they have really old kit.

If you think circa £1 million per tank your going to be in the ball park. I have seen stuff saying the tank plant has had to stop production as it used parts from the west that sanctions have stopped. It apparently made 200 tanks per year. Russia is losing that amount in two weeks.

Planes I have seen prices of 20-30 million, which seems around the ball park I would expect.

No idea about the rest. But this is the kit each BTG needs or uses.

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elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 7:29 pm

NEXTA: 6 More Russian diplomats expelled from France

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/151 ... qgb7UbgqzA

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 7:34 pm

jos wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 11, 2022 4:57 pm
I’m with you, but dollar is king. And we can’t help anyone if all our electric gets turned off!

Hardly likely it will be ‘switched off’ - rationing is far more realistic, but price rises will have that effect in any case.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 7:48 pm

Peter CADDICK-ADAMS : History in the front line as Putin aims to legitimise his ‘alternative history’

https://twitter.com/militaryhistori/sta ... qgb7UbgqzA

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 7:51 pm

NEXTA: Ukraine Government release ‘Events in Mariupol’ footage

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/151 ... qgb7UbgqzA

JarrowClaret · Post by **JarrowClaret** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 7:53 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 11, 2022 5:12 pm
Never been in the Army but did years of shooting , shotguns, rifles and air rifles and he is not shooting that like a sniper would. IMHO of course

Wasn’t a sniper but he isn’t shooting as if he is a trained sniper all seems very rushed. He could be a very good shot but he isn’t a military trained good shot. I guess from the separatist areas some of there kit is awful.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 7:59 pm

PHILLIPS OBrien - Update of his on going thread. Russian casualties some of the worse reposts ever, the Germans loss a smaller % in Kursk for example (others given too), even if (they’re not) my figures are way above true Russian losses.

https://twitter.com/phillipspobrien/sta ... qgb7UbgqzA

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:14 pm

…and again with US estimates

https://twitter.com/phillipspobrien/sta ... LpLIv4xivg

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:30 pm

elwaclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 11, 2022 2:43 pm
REUTERS: UK sanctions Bosnian Serb separatist leader

https://twitter.com/reutersuk/status/15 ... SN8kW8U_lA

Good job too. Dodik is a man full of hatred who describes the genocide of Srebrenica (8,000 civilians all men and boys) a "myth".

https://news.sky.com/story/bosnian-serb ... h-11692695

He has been doing his utmost to bring war back to Bosnia for years.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:30 pm

JarrowClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 11, 2022 7:53 pm
Wasn’t a sniper but he isn’t shooting as if he is a trained sniper all seems very rushed. He could be a very good shot but he isn’t a military trained good shot. I guess from the separatist areas some of there kit is awful.

This is a lass training using a sniper rifle. Part of the dirty dozen volunteers.

https://twitter.com/dirtydozeneira/stat ... gAZcFoBI9A