Big news coming soon from the Turf (Sean Dyche sacked)

[MACCA]

Captain and injured, its probably his role to be there and do it.

All the first team staff has been sacked.
Mee has been doing his badges, and probably knows the players the best.

Be interesting to see if anything is different with the set up, tactics, effort and application.

[gandhisflipflop]

Hope you are feeling better Paul

as for what comes next - one scenario I have is that the previous administration will be back in control by late July, VSL will still have a sizable shareholding just not necessarily enough to be in control - the first trigger for that has already been actioned in the last 10 days or so (and no I cannot relay to you what that is), there is a sequence of other events that have to occur for it to pan out but we are past the starting post.

It comes down to a lack of money (or at least an unwillingness to spend monies that they must surely have accumulated for themselves in their careers) - for now excepting the very strange timing of this announcement, the greatest failing ALK and their friends have made is delivering on the fundamental essential of their plan which is finding additional investors - and that is likely to be down to the fact that the market believes they have overpaid in the first place. The on field struggles since takeover will have not helped to change that view

I’m not sure how Garlick could come back after what he did. He has burnt his bridges. If he did, we would surely end up with a chairman who doesn’t want to be here!

[IanMcL]

The football club oebers do not deserve us.

[BabylonClaret]

Well if Chester is right Garlick pulled a blinder. Falls out witj Dyche, gets over the odds selling the club to new owners and builds in a trigger to get the club back if the new owners' gamble fails.

Meanwhile new owners try to reshape the style with no money, get us relegated and pot the most popular manager in decades before disappearing back into the wilderness leaving Garlick to rude backninto town and pick up where he left off. Maybe witha tidy profit too!

[warksclaret]

Could do worse than make him player coach, and retain him in a new contract and captaincy.Having got rid of 4 coaches he is one of the few internally that can give continuity

[IanMcL]

Are you suggesting player revolt?

[Jamesy]

Been watching Burnley since 1958 and Dyche is the best manager since Potts sad day
We have been too inconsistent and short of ideas for some time
Thought he would walk in summer shame to end like this

We have been inconsistent and short on ideas for a while, yes. That is why it was puzzling when Pace offered him a new four year deal. Something definitely had to change, but not like this, or now.

[KRBFC]

Makes me think there may be something in that story about Mee going to the board…

Which story?

[eastcoastclaret]

What is wrong with some of our fans, they moan and moan about the results, the management team, the tactics and the style of play every week, and then when the owners do something about it, its moan moan moan again.

The owners have seen what we have all seen week in and week out and have realised that it cant go on. Thank you to Sean and his team but its time to move on and try something new. who knows it might fail but it might just be the start of something exciting. Give them a chance and support the team and the club.

[Penwortham_Claret]

If you cant see dyche walking into ano job, well id suggest that says more about your understanding of the game than anything you could have posted

Time will tell. The game has progressed, his style hasn’t

[Jamesy]

WTF is a oeber?

[Chester Perry]

I’m not sure how Garlick could come back after what he did. He has burnt his bridges. If he did, we would surely end up with a chairman who doesn’t want to be here!

I agree, but the first action has been set in motion, it can be stopped, but that is down to VSL - like I say there is a sequence of events to pan out (and they may not) but it is one scenario

[Spijed]

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[summitclaret]

Maybe tell himself to stop punting long high balls to WW's head or rather trying to.

[Jamesy]

We don’t need Garlick back thanks.

[ClaretPete001]

Hope you are feeling better Paul

as for what comes next - one scenario I have is that the previous administration will be back in control by late July, VSL will still have a sizable shareholding just not necessarily enough to be in control - the first trigger for that has already been actioned in the last 10 days or so (and no I cannot relay to you what that is), there is a sequence of other events that have to occur for it to pan out but we are past the starting post.

It comes down to a lack of money (or at least an unwillingness to spend monies that they must surely have accumulated for themselves in their careers) - for now excepting the very strange timing of this announcement, the greatest failing ALK and their friends have made is delivering on the fundamental essential of their plan which is finding additional investors - and that is likely to be down to the fact that the market believes they have overpaid in the first place. The on field struggles since takeover will have not helped to change that view

Is there any evidence they have money? A decent spend in the Premiership transfer market requires tens of million every season. Only billionaires can chuck that kind of money around with impunity.

I think the problem for ALK is not the market feels they overpaid, albeit they did, but that there is not sufficient capacity for growth to yield a decent return with a heck of a risk to boot.

Poor return and high risk do not make investors happy.

[KRBFC]

Well if Chester is right Garlick pulled a blinder. Falls out witj Dyche, gets over the odds selling the club to new owners and builds in a trigger to get the club back if the new owners' gamble fails.

Meanwhile new owners try to reshape the style with no money, get us relegated and pot the most popular manager in decades before disappearing back into the wilderness leaving Garlick to rude backninto town and pick up where he left off. Maybe witha tidy profit too!

Garlick burnt his bridges here with fans in the process, if ALK take a backseat, the MSD £60m loan doesn't just disappear either. £60m is probably about what Garlick has received so far, so he wouldn't be getting a healthy profit.

[Chester Perry]

We don’t need Garlick back thanks.

The previous administration may have the controlling share if events pan out in a very specific way, it does not necessarily mean that they have to be the public face of the club or indeed for it to become all that apparent to fans for some time after

[ClaretPete001]

Garlick burnt his bridges here with fans in the process, if ALK take a backseat, the MSD £60m loan doesn't just disappear either. £60m is probably about what Garlick has received so far, so he wouldn't be getting a healthy profit.

He would make make £60 million profit because we have to pay the £60 million not Mr Garlick

[JarrowClaret]

I am lost with what a crazy stupid decision there has to be something else with it other than performance or results. Admittedly this season has been an absolute cluster from start to the now inevitable relegation at the end but I would not have seen this coming.

I get some performances and a lot of the results haven’t been good enough and when that happens the manager tends to lose his job but why now there is no benefit.

If it is about performance/ results why not immediately after Norwich?
If it is about performance/ results why not after Brentford?
If it is about performance/ results why not before we have him a new 4 year contract as results are no worse than what they were then.

Really strange

[AlargeClaret]

That was the problem

You may well be right , nothing is forever as SD often said .It’s the timing I feel is very poor as nobody knows this pile of hasbeens quite like SD and ( imo ) should have been given the chance until we were down /saved .

[THEWELLERNUT70]

I've got to say I'm at peace with the decision. Sean has been great for us but for me it was becoming increasingly obvious that his time with us was drawing to a close.

I'd like to thank Sean and all his staff for what they've done and achieved for us and I wish them well moving forward

[buzzclarets79]

Anyone welcoming this news - or thinks Pace has a plan - is going to look absolutely ridiculous 18 months from now, that's for sure. Hoofball in the bottom three will seem a golden age compared to where we're heading from here on.

Can you let me know the lottery numbers as well?

[Paul Waine]

Spent the week with covid-19. Let my ticket go for West Ham on Sunday. Heard the news on R4 news.

I've just been told I was the "last straw" when I returned my ticket for West Ham.

[KRBFC]

He would make make £60 million profit because we have to pay the £60 million not Mr Garlick

Who is we? If he was in charge, he'd be responsible for the MSD loan. That £60m in his pocket would be required pretty quickly.

[spt_claret]

This thread is more aimed at those who seem to support Sean Dyche rather than the football club.

Those people do not exist.
There are plenty of people however, who constantly support ALK's decisions and refuse to criticise a single thing they do. Loading us up with debt, neglible investment in transfers even compared to 2019, the entire January window, the shareholder buyout and loan repayment fiascos, now this- even if you think the decision is overall correct the timing is madness- and even the logic of getting someone new in before the end of the season falls short as they sacked him on Friday- 2 days before West Ham, 5 days AFTER Norwich- along with all his staff even Billy Mercer. If this is based on Norwich they've given the temporary staff zero time to prep for West Ham. How can anyone support the timing of this?
But you will, as you'll be sure to find a couple of users constantly singing Pace's praises and defending his every decision.
Nobody here supports Dyche over Burnley. I think this is a disaster but I'm sticking with the club, not following Dyche. Plenty of people back ALK even through decisions which have already been categorically bad for the club and worse than the previous owners- regardless of today's news.
Pace needs to go. I said in January I would give him a chance in the window- his promises didn't materialise. Just like every promise he's made.

[TheFamilyCat]

I am confused, upset and angry about this. It just doesn’t make sense.

We lose…

The best manager that most fans have had in their lifetime.

The manager that has created an ethos and culture that very few managers are capable of doing.

A manager who has lost just ten games in his last ninety-two Championship games.

A manager with several years of contract remaining and therefore a huge cost to pay-off

A manager who put the club’s future ahead of player purchases, by developing Barnfield.

A manager who understood the town and its townsfolk.

A person who promoted our town and club with such positivity.

A person that got us!



We’ve gained…








Thanks Sean. An incredible effort!!!

While I agree 100% with the first part of your post, I will keep an open mind on what we gain. It will take time before the wisdom of the decision can be judged.

[Chester Perry]

He would make make £60 million profit because we have to pay the £60 million not Mr Garlick

that is not how my scenario works and it would not be possible for the previous administration to regain a controlling share in that way

[spt_claret]

What is wrong with some of our fans, they moan and moan about the results, the management team, the tactics and the style of play every week, and then when the owners do something about it, its moan moan moan again.

The owners have seen what we have all seen week in and week out and have realised that it cant go on. Thank you to Sean and his team but its time to move on and try something new. who knows it might fail but it might just be the start of something exciting. Give them a chance and support the team and the club.

Exciting Times.

I sure can't wait for Exciting Times.

Any minute now. Alan promised.

[Targetman]

Makes me think there may be something in that story about Mee going to the board…

Which story is this? Could you elaborate please.

[Milltown1882]

Nobody is bigger than the club. Or at least they shouldn’t be.

[ClaretPete001]

that is not how my scenario works and it would not be possible for the previous administration to regain a controlling share in that way

How do you see it working?

[arise_sir_charge]

Well said Macca.

Sadly there will be plenty willing the new man to fail.

[BurnleyFC]

There is no story about a player revolt.

Just like the same, unsubstantiated claims from a few years ago of a fall out between Mee and Tarky.

[Chester Perry]

How do you see it working?

I refer you to my original post

[spt_claret]

There is no story about a player revolt.

Just like the same, unsubstantiated claims from a few years ago of a fall out between Mee and Tarky.

Welcome to the internet.
If people can't evidence what they say, they make stuff up. If they can't make up enough stuff, they ask you to make it up for them with inane hypotheticals.

[BabylonClaret]

While I agree 100% with the first part of your post, I will keep an open mind on what we gain. It will take time before the wisdom of the decision can be judged.

But what's your view on what we might gain now? Because its one thing making a decision where you think there is something to gain and another where it's just "there must be something..."

It's a tough one because speculating is always a risk but really the logical thinking is to stick with Sean because he's our best option for getting back out-of the Championship (upwards that is). The evidence all points that way.

[ClaretTony]

It was a joke, I didn’t know that what happened?

I’d still take him though. We spotted him on the Turf for the Man U game recently. I said I’d have lived the seat next to him, you would learn so much about the game just listening to him.

[NottsClaret]

Can you let me know the lottery numbers as well?

No, because they're completely unpredictable. Whereas this is just following a very predictable pattern seen at numerous clubs over the years. I guess Swansea is probably most relevant - if we're being optimistic - or it could be a Wigan/Bolton scenario.

We've just removed the one factor that has set us apart from lower Championship fodder for 9 years and we've got owners with little understanding of our game and have mortgaged us up to the hilt just as we lose 90% of our income.

[buzzclarets79]

Can’t help but feel they’ve got someone lined up to take over in time for the Southampton match, just a hunch based on the timing of the sacking.

[ClaretPete001]

Who is we? If he was in charge, he'd be responsible for the MSD loan. That £60m in his pocket would be required pretty quickly.

To be honest it's an unlikely scenario to be conjecturing upon but the MSD loan is lodged against the clubs assets and there will be little broadcasting revenue in the Championship. In the end, I think the money will have to come from the non-broadcasting revenue: us!

Unless, you think MG and co are going to stump up. In which case, fair enough...!

[claretandy]

Mercer could have stayed for me

I bet Mercer has chosen to leave.

[Rileybobs]

What is wrong with some of our fans, they moan and moan about the results, the management team, the tactics and the style of play every week, and then when the owners do something about it, its moan moan moan again.

It’s highly likely that there are two groups of fans, those who wanted Dyche to be sacked, and those who didn’t. I suspect those who wanted Dyche to be sacked are happy, and those who didn’t aren’t.

[ClaretPete001]

I refer you to my original post

It doesn't say enough to infer how you see it working out.

[TheFamilyCat]

But what's your view on what we might gain now? Because its one thing making a decision where you think there is something to gain and another where it's just "there must be something..."

It's a tough one because speculating is always a risk but really the logical thinking is to stick with Sean because he's our best option for getting back out-of the Championship (upwards that is). The evidence all points that way.

We might gain a manager who does better than SD. Someone who may even find the three or four wins that sees us avoid relegation.

Or we may end up with a revolving door on the manger's office if we fail to make good appointments.

Like I said, I am willing to wait before I judge whether this was a good or bad decision.

[Targetman]

That was the problem

That was your problem!

[warksclaret]

I will find myself very interested in team selection on Sunday-it could tell us a thing or too, particularly seeing who is brought in and who is sacked

[Dodobdobodobo]

If the board was thinking of sacking Dyche he should have gone after the Brentford bame to give the next man 3 weeks to try and change things about a bit.
To let him go now is a tad strange. David Unsworth has had great plaudits this last year, just given his notice in to move to a push his career on so perhaps he is the man Pace & Co have lined up.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Very sad news.

What a fantastic manager he’s been for us.

[spt_claret]

If the board was thinking

Spotted the problem already.